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Frontiers of Science tomorrow (plus Mayan & Bernson)
by Wiggins Patrick 14 Nov '13

14 Nov '13

Frontiers of Science talk tomorrow (Thursday) https://www.facebook.com/events/106708762820137/ Evidence that the Mayan calendar does not end this year: http://www.zazzle.com/the_2013_mayan_calendar-158713461120501542 And now we know where Dave Bernson arrived on Earth: http://nationexplorer.com/feature/1448512 Clear skies! patrick Sent from my iPad

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Nova on Russian meteor tomorrow
by Patrick Wiggins 07 Apr '13

07 Apr '13

Channel 7 will be airing "Meteor Strike" tomorrow evening at 8:00 p.m. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/earth/meteor-strike.html patrick

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scale of the universe infographic
by Kelly Ricks 02 Apr '13

02 Apr '13

An interactive variation on the epic zoom video. The only mistake I found was that the Sears Tower is now officially the Willis Tower (the big Willy...should I say that in mixed company?), though I'm sure few outside of Chicago are aware of that. Anyway, enjoy! interactive universe zoom <http://htwins.net/scale/> ~Kelly

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Utah Star Party
by Jay Eads 01 Apr '13

01 Apr '13

Daniel hit the nail on the head. Bryce, Great Basin are wonderful events but the emphasis is on outreach to the public. This is to be in the vein of the Texas Star Party or The Golden Gate Star Party or the Oregon Star Party. This is a place for amateurs to gather, to share views together and to spend the nights observing together. The goal is to start small and build the tradition over time. The nearest Star Party like this is either the Golden Gate Star Party that I am aware of. You can see in this link (copy and paste it) from the Golden Gate Star Party site the quality of the dark areas of the skies where they observe from. We have that in northern Utah and in southern Utah. There are also good sites that the US Forest Service is willing to work with us on using. I also have land that I have purchased for my family's recreational use and also primarily for observing. I don't think I'll have that ready though until 2014 for something like this. http://www.goldenstatestarparty.org/home/comparing-dark-skies If someone doesn't want to go, with Bryce and Great Basin being enough for them, great, no problem. This isn't meant to take the place of these events. It is to be a private star party that people register for, attend and observe for four or so nights up here in northern Utah. I believe we can pull in people from Nevada, some from southern Idaho, northern Utah, central and southern Utah perhaps and maybe even other neighboring states. In the end, even if only some of us go, that is just fine. However, it is time I believe for Utah to have its own Star Party that is private for amateurs to attend in addition to all the public outreach that is done by the many amateurs in the state from various clubs. Hopefully over time Utah can add to the star party traditions like Golden Gate, Texas Star Part,y, Oregon, Mount Baker, the Nebraska Star Party etc. If your interested in helping organizing it let me know.

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Solar filters for 70mm binoculars
by Chuck Hards 01 Apr '13

01 Apr '13

I have a few sets of solar filters available for many brands of 70mm binoculars. First-come, first-served. They use Baader Planetarium solar filter material and are a friction-fit over the objectives of most of the Asian-made, 70mm plastic-body, rubber-armored binoculars currently on the market. They will not fit Orion Resolux or Fujinon (contact me if you want filters for a different size or brand). Some of you may have seen them at Winchester Park sun parties or at SPOC, or in Utah county on Rich's binos. Price is $30 per pair (2 filters) delivered in the Salt Lake valley, or $25 if you pick them up. Thanks!

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Re: [Utah-astronomy] The sun 3-30-2013
by Joe Bauman 31 Mar '13

31 Mar '13

Back when I did a lot of solar viewing and photography with an 8" I used to cover my head and the end of the scope with a blanket. Often it got pretty hot. -- Joe ------------------------------ On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 1:58 PM MDT erikhansen(a)thebluezone.net wrote: >>I was not referring to air temp but rather being shielded from the suns >glare, although a big umbrella with a hole in it was nice on hot days. >With a brimmed hat I was always bumping the eyepiece. Of course, the >drawback is you need a sturdy mount. > > > Erik, the problem with the binoviewer in daylight isn't one of comfort. >> Yesterday was on the cool side and quite pleasureable. I wear a brimmed >> had when observing the sun, and have been known to set up in the shadow of >> a building when the geometry works out. >> >> The difficulty with a binoviewer in daylight is that the pupils of your >> eyes are as small as they ever get. Combine that with long eye relief of >> a >> low-power eyepiece and a small exit pupil from high power (thanks to the >> relay Barlows) and a small objective aperture, and you have two very small >> "sweet spots" that you have to align perfectly in order to use the >> binoviewer. >> >> The net result is a pair of very small virtual images floating far from >> the >> eyepieces, that have to align perfectly with a pair of small eyeball >> openings. Inter-occular spacing must be dead-on, and your head placement >> must be dead-on. A shift of only a millimeter or two means you lose one >> or >> both sides of the image. >> >> Can you hold your head still within a millimeter for 10 to 30 seconds? I >> find it VERY difficult if not impossible, outdoors perched on a chair. >> >> A sun shade won't affect this problem much, if any. Your pupils will >> still >> be very small and most folks don't have the body control of a Hindu yoga >> master. >> >> Using large aperture will help. That will increase the size of the final >> exit pupil, so even if the observer's pupils are completey contracted, >> there is more "wiggle room" for head positioning. That's why at SPOC, I'd >> rather use a binoviewer on the Andy scope for public viewing, than on a >> PST >> or double-stack. And a double-stack image is inherently dimmer than the >> PST in the first place. In a binoviewer it would be even dimmer. >> >> Unless your solar imaging system provides a large exit pupil, binoviewers >> are much easier to use at night, when your entrance pupil is open 5 to >> 7mm. Head placement is not as critical, by a long shot. >> >> On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 9:01 AM, <erikhansen(a)thebluezone.net> wrote: >> >> >I've always found a big sun shield to be essential for pleasurable sun >> viewing. >> >> >> >> Here's the pic of the PST/binoviewer setup, on my small GEM: >> > >> > >> http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii24/JethroTull1958/ATM/PSTampbinoviewer… >> > >> > It was pretty neat seeing the sun in H-a with both eyes, a first for >> me. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Utah-Astronomy mailing list >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >> >> Send messages to the list to >> Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com >> >> The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. >> >> To unsubscribe go to: >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >> Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on >> "Unsubscribe or edit options". >> > > > >_______________________________________________ >Utah-Astronomy mailing list >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy > >Send messages to the list to >Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com > >The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. > >To unsubscribe go to: >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on "Unsubscribe or edit options".

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Beta Scorpii reappearance
by Thomas Sevcik 31 Mar '13

31 Mar '13

Did anyone see the reappearance of Beta Scorpii from behind the dark rim of the waning gibbous Moon this morning? I woke up from a nap around 1:50 a.m. this morning and ran outside with my 10x50 Minolta binos. I might of missed the reappearance by a minute or two but, Wow! I didn't expect Beta to stand out so bright as it did. Being at mag 2.6, any glare from the Moon sure didn't diminish this little double-star gem. Tom Sevcik

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Re: [Utah-astronomy] Cloudy
by Joe Bauman 31 Mar '13

31 Mar '13

She is just extremely shy, a bit afraid of crowds, and hares drawing attention. Knowing her I suspect it would be much more scary if she were being taped. Thanks, Joe ------------------------------ On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 2:52 PM MDT erikhansen(a)thebluezone.net wrote: >> Geez Joe, I was relaying what I recalled about the survey done. I assure >you there was a survey, I stuffed, addressed and stamped the envelopes. >I have no problem with the speakers we are getting, it was the >membership that expressed otherwise, and a few years ago. The court of >law comment was to relay the sentiment that recording a speaker at >meeting is no big deal. It has happened before. > >Cory was afraid to ask a question without a recording going on. Right? So >was it because of the speaker or the SLAS crowd? > >Erik >> I won't argue anymore on such a goofy topic. No, I'm not angry. But I am >> annoyed when someone attacks my feelings by saying, direct quote, "It >> seems a little like Joe thinks SLAS meetings are a court of law." That's >> an absurd mischaracterization of what I said. I said people would be >> uncomfortable with being videotaped. Sorry that this causes you to take >> such umbrage, Erik. Exactly what statement was critical of Rodger and the >> job he has done? What about this statement? "... but people are more >> comfortable asking questions of peers and less expert speakers." Or this, >> "The fact remains we used to have more participation in club >> presentations." That isn't criticism? Now I won't immitate your rhetorical >> silliness by repeatedly calling you Sir, but I do wish you would respect >> my right as a club member to express my opinion. And I wish you would >> understand what you are saying. You came down on me in a pretty sharp >> retort when I expressed my feelings about >> the discomfort I and others would feel about videotaping, then somehow >> shoehorned that into strange criticisms of the speakers program that >> Rodger works on, then throw a bunch of "Sirs" at me and say I have an >> anger problem.....O -- Kay, if that's the way you see it. I won't respond >> again. -- Joe >> >> ------------------------------ >> On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 9:11 AM MDT erikhansen(a)thebluezone.net wrote: >> >>> And exactly what statement was critical of Roger and the job he has >>done? You have an anger problem sir. This is the exact problem I am >>talking about, a member makes an observation and a board member gets >>angry. Represent your membership sir! I have served on the board 8 >>times. How many times have you? The fact remains we used to have more >>member participation in club presentations. >> >>The survey was done by Bob Moore as I recall. >>> >>> When was that survey? I don't remember any such survey. Maybe you >>> should >>> run for president, Erik. Personally, I think Rodger is performing >>> splendidly in the jobs he was elected to do, inclulding arranging >>> speakers. It's easy to criticize the work others do. -- Joe >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 4:53 PM MDT erikhansen(a)thebluezone.net wrote: >>> >>> Seems there was a survey. People stated they were uncomfortable with >>> the >>>expert speakers we had at meetings and wished for more lay >>>presentations. They were intimidated by the quality of our speakers and >>>are more comfortable with lay speakers. The atmosphere may not be as >>>casual as you perceive it to be, putting aside some outbursts in past >>>meetings and board meetings. >>> >>>To be clear, Roger and past presidents have gotten and continue to get >>>good interesting speakers but people are more comfortable asking >>> questions >>>of peers and less expert speakers. Some speakers have a more interactive >>>approach and invite questions others prefer to field questions after. >>> The >>>former may not be a good type to record, the speaker is probably the >>> best >>>judge of that. Speakers that do extended the invitation generally are >>>engaging people who naturally put people at ease. I really don't see how >>> a >>>camera trained on the speaker changes that. >>> >>>SLAS had a what seemed like a tradition that got lost. We used to have >>>each board member be responsible for one meetings speaker and content. >>>That did mix things up a little more, but I certainly would utilize the >>>great speakers we get from USU, Weber, and the U of U. Guess I should >>>mention BYU. >>> >>>Erik >>> >>> >>> >>>I >>> >>> >>> Would you stop the videotaping whenever someone in audience follows up >>> on >>> the speaker's invitation and asks a question? >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 2:22 PM MDT erikhansen(a)thebluezone.net wrote: >>> >>> I hardly think we should or would record everything. I made a comment >>>you don't understand, and you made one I don't. Get some empathy >>>yourself, I saw no difference in SLAS meetings that the speaker was >>>recorded. >>> >>>Erik >>> >>> My point is not remotely related to the issues of courtroom cameras. >>> It >>> was simply that the casual atmosphere we enjoy at club meetings would >>> be >>> chilled if someone were recording everything. I doubt I am the only >>> member >>> who would be hesitant to ask the speaker a question if it were >>> videotaped. >>> I might need help to understand something that is obvious to everyone >>> else, but not want to look like a fool on some video. I know when Cory >>> has >>> a question I often need to urge her to put up her hand because she is >>> shy. >>> Why that situation is hard for you to understand mystified me. Don't >>> pull >>> courtroom cameras into the discussion, just try a little empathy. -- >>> Joe >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 8:48 AM MDT erikhansen(a)thebluezone.net wrote: >>> >>> You're right Joe, I do not understand your comment. I've been recorded >>>during presentations and it felt no different than not being recorded. >>>You know the material or you don't. What is the phrase? There are no >>>stupid questions, only stupid answers. I think the biggest issue was >>> the >>>cost of the equipment and storing the recordings. >>> >>> HUH? Like a court of law? Man, what an amazing misintrepation of my >>> comment! >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 5:26 PM MDT erikhansen(a)thebluezone.net wrote: >>> >>>It sounds a little like Joe thinks SLAS meetings are a court of law, I >>>doubt recording changes anything. It has been discussed before, buying >>>the equipment etc..... but never gets off the ground. >>>They're have been meetings worth recording. Recording would leave >>> little >>>doubt about intellectual property. >>> >>> >>> >>> I certainly understand that point-of-view, Joe. It also requires a >>> level >>> of committment that may be hard to stick with in the long run. >>> Although >>> that solar lecture would have been a very good one to archive. >>> How would you feel if someone recorded a meeting on their own, with >>> the >>> speaker's permission? Is SLAS permission needed? >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Joe Bauman <josephmbauman(a)yahoo.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> I would be uncomfortable with that level of scrutiny. Every time >>> someone >>> made a joke or asked a dumb question, it would be recorded. I prefer >>> not >>> to >>> do video on a regular basis, but to keep our club casual. If we have a >>> notable speaker from out-of-town, who would be getting a fee of some >>> kind, >>> that might be worth recording -- if the speaker agrees. But otherwise >>> I'm >>> sure many of us would feel a dramatic chill fall across our >>> spontaneity. >>> Thanks, Joe >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Utah-Astronomy mailing list >>> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >>> >>> Send messages to the list to >>> Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com >>> >>> The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy >>> club. >>> >>> To unsubscribe go to: >>> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >>> Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on >>> "Unsubscribe or edit options". >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Utah-Astronomy mailing list >>>http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >>> >>>Send messages to the list to >>>Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com >>> >>>The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy >>> club. >>> >>>To 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Re: [Utah-astronomy] Cloudy
by Joe Bauman 31 Mar '13

31 Mar '13

I won't argue anymore on such a goofy topic. No, I'm not angry. But I am annoyed when someone attacks my feelings by saying, direct quote, "It seems a little like Joe thinks SLAS meetings are a court of law." That's an absurd mischaracterization of what I said. I said people would be uncomfortable with being videotaped. Sorry that this causes you to take such umbrage, Erik. Exactly what statement was critical of Rodger and the job he has done? What about this statement? "... but people are more comfortable asking questions of peers and less expert speakers." Or this, "The fact remains we used to have more participation in club presentations." That isn't criticism? Now I won't immitate your rhetorical silliness by repeatedly calling you Sir, but I do wish you would respect my right as a club member to express my opinion. And I wish you would understand what you are saying. You came down on me in a pretty sharp retort when I expressed my feelings about the discomfort I and others would feel about videotaping, then somehow shoehorned that into strange criticisms of the speakers program that Rodger works on, then throw a bunch of "Sirs" at me and say I have an anger problem.....O -- Kay, if that's the way you see it. I won't respond again. -- Joe ------------------------------ On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 9:11 AM MDT erikhansen(a)thebluezone.net wrote: >> And exactly what statement was critical of Roger and the job he has >done? You have an anger problem sir. This is the exact problem I am >talking about, a member makes an observation and a board member gets >angry. Represent your membership sir! I have served on the board 8 >times. How many times have you? The fact remains we used to have more >member participation in club presentations. > >The survey was done by Bob Moore as I recall. >> >> When was that survey? I don't remember any such survey. Maybe you should >> run for president, Erik. Personally, I think Rodger is performing >> splendidly in the jobs he was elected to do, inclulding arranging >> speakers. It's easy to criticize the work others do. -- Joe >> >> ------------------------------ >> On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 4:53 PM MDT erikhansen(a)thebluezone.net wrote: >> >>> Seems there was a survey. People stated they were uncomfortable with >>> the >>expert speakers we had at meetings and wished for more lay >>presentations. They were intimidated by the quality of our speakers and >>are more comfortable with lay speakers. The atmosphere may not be as >>casual as you perceive it to be, putting aside some outbursts in past >>meetings and board meetings. >> >>To be clear, Roger and past presidents have gotten and continue to get >>good interesting speakers but people are more comfortable asking >> questions >>of peers and less expert speakers. Some speakers have a more interactive >>approach and invite questions others prefer to field questions after. The >>former may not be a good type to record, the speaker is probably the best >>judge of that. Speakers that do extended the invitation generally are >>engaging people who naturally put people at ease. I really don't see how >> a >>camera trained on the speaker changes that. >> >>SLAS had a what seemed like a tradition that got lost. We used to have >>each board member be responsible for one meetings speaker and content. >>That did mix things up a little more, but I certainly would utilize the >>great speakers we get from USU, Weber, and the U of U. Guess I should >>mention BYU. >> >>Erik >> >> >> >>I >>> >>> >>> Would you stop the videotaping whenever someone in audience follows up >>> on >>> the speaker's invitation and asks a question? >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 2:22 PM MDT erikhansen(a)thebluezone.net wrote: >>> >>> I hardly think we should or would record everything. I made a comment >>>you don't understand, and you made one I don't. Get some empathy >>>yourself, I saw no difference in SLAS meetings that the speaker was >>>recorded. >>> >>>Erik >>> >>> My point is not remotely related to the issues of courtroom cameras. >>> It >>> was simply that the casual atmosphere we enjoy at club meetings would >>> be >>> chilled if someone were recording everything. I doubt I am the only >>> member >>> who would be hesitant to ask the speaker a question if it were >>> videotaped. >>> I might need help to understand something that is obvious to everyone >>> else, but not want to look like a fool on some video. I know when Cory >>> has >>> a question I often need to urge her to put up her hand because she is >>> shy. >>> Why that situation is hard for you to understand mystified me. Don't >>> pull >>> courtroom cameras into the discussion, just try a little empathy. -- >>> Joe >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 8:48 AM MDT erikhansen(a)thebluezone.net wrote: >>> >>> You're right Joe, I do not understand your comment. I've been recorded >>>during presentations and it felt no different than not being recorded. >>>You know the material or you don't. What is the phrase? There are no >>>stupid questions, only stupid answers. I think the biggest issue was >>> the >>>cost of the equipment and storing the recordings. >>> >>> HUH? Like a court of law? Man, what an amazing misintrepation of my >>> comment! >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 5:26 PM MDT erikhansen(a)thebluezone.net wrote: >>> >>>It sounds a little like Joe thinks SLAS meetings are a court of law, I >>>doubt recording changes anything. It has been discussed before, buying >>>the equipment etc..... but never gets off the ground. >>>They're have been meetings worth recording. Recording would leave >>> little >>>doubt about intellectual property. >>> >>> >>> >>> I certainly understand that point-of-view, Joe. It also requires a >>> level >>> of committment that may be hard to stick with in the long run. >>> Although >>> that solar lecture would have been a very good one to archive. >>> How would you feel if someone recorded a meeting on their own, with >>> the >>> speaker's permission? Is SLAS permission needed? >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Joe Bauman <josephmbauman(a)yahoo.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> I would be uncomfortable with that level of scrutiny. Every time >>> someone >>> made a joke or asked a dumb question, it would be recorded. I prefer >>> not >>> to >>> do video on a regular basis, but to keep our club casual. If we have a >>> notable speaker from out-of-town, who would be getting a fee of some >>> kind, >>> that might be worth recording -- if the speaker agrees. But otherwise >>> I'm >>> sure many of us would feel a dramatic chill fall across our >>> spontaneity. >>> Thanks, Joe >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Utah-Astronomy mailing list >>> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >>> >>> Send messages to the list to >>> Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com >>> >>> The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy >>> club. >>> >>> To unsubscribe go to: >>> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >>> Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on >>> "Unsubscribe or edit options". >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Utah-Astronomy mailing list >>>http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >>> >>>Send messages to the list to >>>Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com >>> >>>The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy >>> club. >>> >>>To 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ISON and Pan-STARRS tonight, 2013 MAR 31
by Patrick Wiggins 31 Mar '13

31 Mar '13

Very nice night tonight. Even ISON's tail has returned (barely). http://users.wirelessbeehive.com/~paw/temp/C_2012_S1.2013MAR31.JPG Pan-STARRS is now high enough after dark that I'm able to spot it from my observatory. But, as I posted earlier, through trees. But I thought I'd see what I'd get despite having to shoot through the trees. Certainly not terrific but better than I imagined. The following have the same settings I've been using for ISON (C-14 @ f/5.5, ST-10, binned 3x3 and chilled to -10) except while I always use 30 second exposures for ISON I first did a 1 second and then a series of increasing exposures leading up to 30 seconds. The images I posted are 1 and 30 seconds. http://users.wirelessbeehive.com/~paw/temp/C_2011_L4.2013MAR31.JPG BTW, Pan-STARRS was still just above the horizon as astronomical dark arrived and as was posted earlier, against a dark sky and through binoculars the tail really is fanned out. Quite impressive. patrick

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