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Re: [Utah-astronomy] ISS flare?
by Daniel Holmes 26 Nov '09

26 Nov '09

I didn't see it tonight, but ive seen it do that on other passes. I think its due to the new solar panels. Dan ------Original Message------ From: Patrick Wiggins Sender: utah-astronomy-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com To: Utah-astronomy Astronomy ReplyTo: Utah-astronomy Astronomy Subject: [Utah-astronomy] ISS flare? Sent: Nov 26, 2009 7:02 PM I was driving home from SLC international this evening and watched ISS and shuttle fly over. As they flew into the east the shuttle started to fade but ISS, which was leading the way, suddenly got much brighter, much brighter than Jupiter which was nearby. similar to an Iridium flare. Anyone else see that? patrick _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php Visit the Wiki: http://www.utahastronomy.com Sent from my BlackBerry. Please excuse any mispelings or typos.

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ISS flare?
by Patrick Wiggins 26 Nov '09

26 Nov '09

I was driving home from SLC international this evening and watched ISS and shuttle fly over. As they flew into the east the shuttle started to fade but ISS, which was leading the way, suddenly got much brighter, much brighter than Jupiter which was nearby. similar to an Iridium flare. Anyone else see that? patrick

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Happy Thanksgiving
by Jay Eads 26 Nov '09

26 Nov '09

I wish to each of you a very Happy Thanksgiving and may you find many reasons to make merry during the holiday season.

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Re: [Utah-astronomy] OT-ClimateGate (Time to wrap up?) (Patrick Wiggins)
by stormcrow60＠xmission.com 26 Nov '09

26 Nov '09

Sorry Patrick, I sent my last email response to Joe before I read your request. Your suggestion is appropro. Have a Happy Thanksgiving All! Jon

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Re: [Utah-astronomy] Utah-Astronomy Digest, Vol 81, Issue 61
by stormcrow60＠xmission.com 26 Nov '09

26 Nov '09

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Re: [Utah-astronomy] OT - Climategate
by stormcrow60＠xmission.com 26 Nov '09

26 Nov '09

Joe and Erik said: I mean, what's the harm of a gas in the atmosphere in such minute, trace amounts -- a gas that is absolutely essential to plants? I just don't see something at such small concentrations causing a climate shift. How do you explain the supposedly vast impact of something that amounts to only 387 parts per million? How does an increase in that tiny level just block out reflected sunlight so effectively that all ice on Earth melts? It boggles my mind, anyway. Thanks, Joe --- On Wed, 11/25/09, erikhansen(a)TheBlueZone.net <erikhansen(a)TheBlueZone.net> wrote: From: erikhansen(a)TheBlueZone.net <erikhansen(a)TheBlueZone.net> Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] OT - ClimateGate To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com> Date: Wednesday, November 25, 2009, 4:19 PM CO2 is a poison to humans and a waste product. Increase CO2 causes increased respiration until it becomes to high then it becomes a narcotic and you stop breathing. This can happen with pretty very small increases in blood CO2 (in chronic disease), I have witnessed this many times. I don't know how to answer you Joe, greenhouse gasses are not visible. How does our atmosphere and magnetosphere protect us from solar radiation? We can't see it so it clearly can have no effect. Yet it does. A greenhouse traps radiation to make it warmer than the outside temperature it has nothing to do with CO2, that remains the same in and out of the greenhouse. Greenhouse gases have always referred to gases that hinder the infrared radiation from radiating back into space. These gases absorb the long wave lengths, I would be interested in a source that refutes that. It was taught in my Biology classes. BTW, The perceived economics are not a scientific argument. Al Gore has not made hundreds of millions of dollars on this. The Economic motive is much bigger for the oil and gas industry, who ironically would likely not see a big drop in demand, just not big increases. Joe, It may boggle your mind that such small amounts of CO2 can cause such a climate shift as we are discussing. I too find it difficult to understand all the science involved in this issue. When I get to that point, I have to make a decision as who to trust. To me it simply comes down to believing in science. I believe in science. I know that when I turn the light switch on, I can see in the dark. I know when I turn the key in my car ignition, my internal combustion engine will start. When I look up in the sky through my telescope I know that great scientific minds before me made this possible. All of these great and wonderful things that make our life as good as it is are only due to the science and scientists that have made it possible. Science is the only empirical "religion". Science for me is the only entity that my mind and senses can believe in. Science makes everything in our lives possible. That being said, when it comes to global warming science, I believe the scientists from NOAA and NASA and other global science institutions. Why would I not believe in the interpretations of these scientists using their own collected data from satellites and data gathering instruments designed by said scientists? They are the only ones that can truly and correctly interpret this data. Not the Petroleum Institute, not Sarah Palin... not the free enterprisers. The only bad science coming from NOAA and NASA is when the Bush administration edited out the true affects of global warming from numerous reports released to the public. If you do not believe the global warming science released from NOAA and NASA, why would you believe in any science at all? Jon

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Re: [Utah-astronomy] Utah-Astronomy Digest, Vol 81, Issue 52
by stormcrow60＠xmission.com 26 Nov '09

26 Nov '09

Joe, No matter what Gore had tried to do in the 2000 election, there is no precedent for the Supreme Court to rule on a national election. The correct course would have been to do a full and complete recount for the whole state. Fuuny how the votes of the American people were placed in the hands of an ultra conservative Supreme Court. That is why I consider the 2000 Presdidential election to be stolen. Gore would have won Florida. And the Republican shenanigans in Ohio cost Kerry the 2004 election. We basically live in a banana republic. Jon

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Joe's exo-planet blog
by Patrick Wiggins 26 Nov '09

26 Nov '09

Here's Joe's promised blog on searching for exo-planets. http://www.deseretnews.com/blog/47/10007552/Nightly-News-Astronomy-blog-Exo… Cheers, patrick

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Other than Climate Change
by Steve FISHER 25 Nov '09

25 Nov '09

Other than todays great exchanges I wanted to ask if anyone has plans to go out tonight? The clear sky clock after midnight looks as good as I have seen in a long time. I'll probably be out in the yard. Anybody else?

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Re: [Utah-astronomy] GIMP
by Canopus56 25 Nov '09

25 Nov '09

David wrote: > I think the biggest problem with GIMP is it doesn't support 16 bit > files....that isn't so good for astro. Thanks for pointing that out. Searching for the issue on the web, apparently v2.6 will now open 16 bit images, but converts them to 8bit for image processing. The full 16bit version is planned for 2010. - Kurt P.S. - Great work on your Canon modification. Very high end stuff.

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