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RE: [Utah-astronomy] Perseids
by David Dunn 12 Aug '02

12 Aug '02

I was at Monte Cristo last week. We saw quite a few fireballs. Most of them were between 11pm and 1am. We also had a bunch of meteors right before dawn. One thing that I was curious about was that we had two showers going on at the same time. The other one was coming from Aquarius. This basically caused meteors to be going in opposite directions. I had always thought of a meteor shower as the Earth was going through the debris trail from a comet and that if you looked in the direction of the radiant you were looking the direction that the Earth was traveling through the galaxy. Since Persius is the in the north and Aquarius is in the south, how does that work? Is our actual travel direction in between them somewhere? Dave -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Wiggins [mailto:paw@trilobyte.net] Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 2:40 AM To: utah astronomy listserve Subject: [Utah-astronomy] Perseids 2:30 a.m. and lots of clear moonless skies but not much in the way of meteors. Anyone else having better luck? Patrick _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy

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Perseids
by Patrick Wiggins 12 Aug '02

12 Aug '02

2:30 a.m. and lots of clear moonless skies but not much in the way of meteors. Anyone else having better luck? Patrick

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Perseids
by Paul Witte 10 Aug '02

10 Aug '02

I've seen conflicting reports this year as to when the perseids will peak. Some say the evening of August 11th into the morning of August 12th. Others say the evening of August 12th into the morning of August 13th. Anyone know what the "official" estimate is?

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StarGazing this weekend
by David Bennett 09 Aug '02

09 Aug '02

Hi folks, I know those of you from SLAS may be going to Bryce Canyon this weekend for the private star party, but I wanted to offer an alternative to those who can't make it that far. My car isn't trustworthy enough right now to make it down south so I'm headed up to Wolf Creek this weekend. As far as I know I'm the only one headed up there but I'd love some company. It will be a great place to watch the Perseids as well. If anyone is interested I'll post some written directions. You can find printable maps on my website (in my sig). Keep lookin' up. Dave Bennett http://homepage.mac.com/dlbennett/

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Re: [Utah-astronomy] StarGazing this weekend
by Josephine Grahn 09 Aug '02

09 Aug '02

Dave, We'll probably be up there Saturday night. Just have to much work tonight. Jo At 12:57 PM 8/9/2002 -0700, you wrote: >Dave, > >I may make it up Saturday, haven't decided yet between >that and our local (Hobble Creek) star party. >-Rich > >--- David Bennett <dlbennett(a)mac.com> wrote: >> Hi folks, >> >> I know those of you from SLAS may be going to Bryce >> Canyon this weekend >> for the private star party, but I wanted to offer an >> alternative to >> those who can't make it that far. My car isn't >> trustworthy enough right >> now to make it down south so I'm headed up to Wolf >> Creek this weekend. >> As far as I know I'm the only one headed up there >> but I'd love some >> company. It will be a great place to watch the >> Perseids as well. If >> anyone is interested I'll post some written >> directions. You can find >> printable maps on my website (in my sig). Keep >> lookin' up. >> >> Dave Bennett

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OT: Need machine shop recommendation
by Josephine Grahn 09 Aug '02

09 Aug '02

Sorry for this OT posting, but I figure you guys probably know the answer. The machinist I used a few years ago has gone missing, and I need to have a couple of "one or two off" things machined, probably on a CNC mill. Not terribly complicated, and the specs aren't too stiff, but it is a bit repetitive. I do need decent quality and decent turnaround, though, and that's where having a recommendation would be nice. Anyone know of a shop that they have had good experiences with? Thanks, Jo

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RE: [Utah-astronomy] Kudos for ALCON 2002
by Dale Hooper 06 Aug '02

06 Aug '02

I'm certainly not trying to dis John Dobson. I'm definitely no physicist - so it takes some time to think about the things he discussed and I'm still "cogitating" over parts of it. I found his discussion very intriguing. It would be interesting to see his ideas in print because I'm sure that I've forgotten much of what he discussed. Is there perhaps a URL where his ideas can be found? However, for example, I think he still has issues explaining the non-baryonic nature of about 96% of the dark matter, and I believe he still has a problem with either Olber's paradox or he ends up with a "preferred observer" for our position in the universe. That said, I think he's been one of the greatest influences in amateur astronomy in our day. It was especially exciting to get his input and listen to him at the star party at Antelope Island. Thanks, Dale. > -----Original Message----- > From: Brent Watson [mailto:brentjwatson@yahoo.com] > Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 9:41 PM > To: utah-astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com > Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Kudos for ALCON 2002 > > > > --- Dale Hooper <Dale.Hooper(a)sdl.usu.edu> wrote: > > > > P.S. I think John Dobson's theory has quite a few > > glaring holes - but, it sure was interesting to > > listen to the debate Saturday that it spurred. > > > John Dobson definitely has a unique personality, but I > must say that he thinks for himself. His views on > Cosmology are somewhat unorthodox, as he is a strong > proponent of the Steady State model of the universe. > He is vastly outnumbered in his thought, but has very > good reasons for the theories he puts forth. I > guarantee that he has spent an order of magnitude more > time thinking about the problem than anyone else I > know. > > Dale, I wish you had taken the time to talk to him > personally about his views, and challenged the areas > where you believe there are holes. He is open minded > when confronted with facts, and will carefully > consider them. He will think for months and even > years if necessary to reconcile facts with models. > Please take the time to talk one-on-one with him next > time you have a chance. He will listen to what you > have to say, and consider facts. > > He may appear to be self centered, but I believe this > comes from his long consideration of his positions. > When challenged, he is very self assured because his > theories are not just brought up on the spur of the > minute. He really hates the recognition and credit he > gets from the having a telescope named after him. If > he had his preference, he would spend his time talking > to people while showing them the wonders of the > universe, especially the Sun, Moon, and planets. That > is the area he prefers to be involved in. > > I hope that at 86 years old I can think and move as > well as he does. I also wish that you all could have > been at my table for the stimulating discussion we > had. > > Brent > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better > http://health.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > Utah-Astronomy mailing list > Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >

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RE: [Utah-astronomy] Kudos for ALCON 2002
by Kris Jones 06 Aug '02

06 Aug '02

Brent, Where do I sign up?? That's an opportunity I couldn't afford to pass up. Wow. Kris Jones >>> brentjwatson(a)yahoo.com 08/06/02 03:06PM >>> Dale, I understand you are not dissing John, but I thought someone needed to speak for him. Unfortunately, there is no URL nor written version of what he talked about. To find out more, you need to talk to him directly. He has also not worked out the math for his model, but would like someone to do it. We talked about that just before he left. I am going to see if I can get him back in town this winter for an intense mirror grinding/telescope making session. I talked with him about that and he is willing. I just need to get the rest lined up. We would do 10" scopes and they would be functional before the end of the class. Any interest? Brent --- Dale Hooper <Dale.Hooper(a)sdl.usu.edu> wrote: > I'm certainly not trying to dis John Dobson. I'm > definitely no physicist - so it takes some time to > think about the things he discussed and I'm still > "cogitating" over parts of it. I found his > discussion very intriguing. It would be interesting > to see his ideas in print because I'm sure that I've > forgotten much of what he discussed. Is there > perhaps a URL where his ideas can be found? > > However, for example, I think he still has issues > explaining the non-baryonic nature of about 96% of > the dark matter, and I believe he still has a > problem with either Olber's paradox or he ends up > with a "preferred observer" for our position in the > universe. > > That said, I think he's been one of the greatest > influences in amateur astronomy in our day. It was > especially exciting to get his input and listen to > him at the star party at Antelope Island. > > Thanks, > Dale. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Brent Watson [mailto:brentjwatson@yahoo.com] > > Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 9:41 PM > > To: utah-astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com > > Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Kudos for ALCON 2002 > > > > > > > > --- Dale Hooper <Dale.Hooper(a)sdl.usu.edu> > wrote: > > > > > > P.S. I think John Dobson's theory has quite a > few > > > glaring holes - but, it sure was interesting > to > > > listen to the debate Saturday that it > spurred. > > > > > > John Dobson definitely has a unique personality, > but I > > must say that he thinks for himself. His views on > > Cosmology are somewhat unorthodox, as he is a > strong > > proponent of the Steady State model of the > universe. > > He is vastly outnumbered in his thought, but has > very > > good reasons for the theories he puts forth. I > > guarantee that he has spent an order of magnitude > more > > time thinking about the problem than anyone else I > > know. > > > > Dale, I wish you had taken the time to talk to him > > personally about his views, and challenged the > areas > > where you believe there are holes. He is open > minded > > when confronted with facts, and will carefully > > consider them. He will think for months and even > > years if necessary to reconcile facts with models. > > > Please take the time to talk one-on-one with him > next > > time you have a chance. He will listen to what > you > > have to say, and consider facts. > > > > He may appear to be self centered, but I believe > this > > comes from his long consideration of his > positions. > > When challenged, he is very self assured because > his > > theories are not just brought up on the spur of > the > > minute. He really hates the recognition and > credit he > > gets from the having a telescope named after him. > If > > he had his preference, he would spend his time > talking > > to people while showing them the wonders of the > > universe, especially the Sun, Moon, and planets. > That > > is the area he prefers to be involved in. > > > > I hope that at 86 years old I can think and move > as > > well as he does. I also wish that you all could > have > > been at my table for the stimulating discussion we > > had. > > > > Brent > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better > > http://health.yahoo.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Utah-Astronomy mailing list > > Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com > > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy > > > > _______________________________________________ > Utah-Astronomy mailing list > Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy

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Perseids
by David Dunn 06 Aug '02

06 Aug '02

The Standard Examiner claims that the Hansen Planetarium has hired Astrologers. Meteor showers peak next week SALT LAKE CITY -- Astrological experts at the Hansen Planetarium are advising Utahns to plan some late-night outdoor activities next week. This year"s annual Perseid meteor shower will peak Aug. 12, and under ideal observing conditions, one can expect to see about two meteors per minute that night. Around each Aug. 12, Earth"s orbit travels through the densest part of a stream of dust and dirt ejected by comet Swift-Tuttle. Robert Bigelow, Hansen Planetarium education specialist, advises people to get away from city lights for the best view.

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Kudos for ALCON 2002
by Dale Hooper 05 Aug '02

05 Aug '02

I just wanted to say a big THANK YOU to all of you SLASers that put ALCON together. I had a FANTASTIC time there and I learned a lot and met some great people. I've, of course, now got more ideas than I can possibly afford. ;-) Clear skies, Dale Hooper. P.S. I think John Dobson's theory has quite a few glaring holes - but, it sure was interesting to listen to the debate Saturday that it spurred.

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