Re: (usr-tc) Commworks v.92 Announcement
Patton is not going to eat anybodies lunch unless they get their 48 and 96 port models working. We had several units for about a month and could get nowhere the connection speeds that we got with our old Quad Modem cards. Proceed carefully with Patton. They are also slow to refund the money you paid in good faith. "Accounting" is never available to answer you questions about "where's the refund". At 11:09 AM 4/6/01 -0400, you wrote:
The market for 3COM gear should be flooded in the next year as most of the year 1-2 HiperDSP leases expire. I'm giving up a chassis next month. v.92 is not a good enough reason to stay 3COM with all the minuses that come with the support/software.
Companies like Patton are going to eat 3COM's lunch in the small/mid sized ISP arena....
Since support is sold per card (and you gotta cover all the cards!) quick add up and see what 3COM is gonna cost you to go v.92.
Then look at all the OTHER RAS vendors that are doing FREE v.92 upgrades....
Paul Farber Farber Technology farber@admin.f-tech.net Ph 570-628-5303 Fax 570-628-5545
On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, Marshall Morgan wrote:
Who actually has a service contract except ANS/AOL and such? In addition, it also says nothing about supporting v.92 on anything but Enhanced chassis' (DS3 Ingress/Quad DS1 DSPs, 128M HiperNMCs and newer HiperARCs (256M and faster processers?) - not necessarily single T1/E1 HiperDSPs, or 16M HiperNMCs or 64/128M HiperARCs.
Overall 3Com/Commworks will find a way to try and get money out of us - who is purchasing near the quantity of modems that they did two years ago. Only time will tell - (I mean, when did they ever meet a code update date in the past?)
Marshall Morgan
Internet Doorway, Inc (aka NETDOOR) http://www.netdoor.com
601.969.1434 x28 | 800.952.1570 x28 | 601.969.3629 x28 | Fax 601.969.3838 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark E. Levy" <Mark@fsi.net> To: <usr-tc@lists.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 10:04 PM Subject: RE: (usr-tc) Commworks v.92 Announcement
It's my understanding that it will be free - if you have a service contract...
Of course it will be free! .... yeah right :-}
Marshall Morgan
Internet Doorway, Inc (aka NETDOOR) http://www.netdoor.com
601.969.1434 x28 | 800.952.1570 x28 | 601.969.3629 x28 | Fax 601.969.3838 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Andrews" <mandrews@bit0.com> To: <usr-tc@lists.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 6:09 PM Subject: Re: (usr-tc) Commworks v.92 Announcement
Hm. Q3 of 2001. No word on pricing.
Mike Andrews * mandrews@dcr.net * mandrews@bit0.com * http://www.bit0.com VP, sysadmin, & network guy, Digital Crescent Inc, Frankfort KY Internet access for Frankfort, Lexington, Louisville and surrounding counties www.fark.com: If it's not news, it's Fark. (Or something like that.)
On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, Marshall Morgan wrote:
http://commworks.com/svprovider/news/apr0401b.html
"COMMWORKS CORPORATION TO SUPPORT V.92 MODEM STANDARD ON ITS FLAGSHIP TOTAL CONTROL 1000 ENHANCED DATA SYSTEM"
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Yeah, the 96 porter had some issues.... but they are resolved now. Saw them at ISPCON and they gave me a pretty detailed explination of what it was and was assured that it was fixed. I bought the gear on a 30 day PO... so no money is changing hands :) I have 144 port showing up next week... to replace some DSPs going off lease... C-YA 3COM! Everyone will have different level of success with the 3COM gear/support... my particular experience has been average to poor with 3COM gear... so that's a major reason to go to another vendor. Plus I can't see how a company can make rock solid modem code when things are muddied up with VoIP and other useless (to me) 'features' that I dont want/need. There are 7K small mid sized ISP's that need solid dial up equipment.... 3COM isn't that anymore. Paul Farber Farber Technology farber@admin.f-tech.net Ph 570-628-5303 Fax 570-628-5545 On Fri, 6 Apr 2001 netboss@cyberport.net wrote:
Patton is not going to eat anybodies lunch unless they get their 48 and 96 port models working. We had several units for about a month and could get nowhere the connection speeds that we got with our old Quad Modem cards. Proceed carefully with Patton.
They are also slow to refund the money you paid in good faith. "Accounting" is never available to answer you questions about "where's the refund".
At 11:09 AM 4/6/01 -0400, you wrote:
The market for 3COM gear should be flooded in the next year as most of the year 1-2 HiperDSP leases expire. I'm giving up a chassis next month. v.92 is not a good enough reason to stay 3COM with all the minuses that come with the support/software.
Companies like Patton are going to eat 3COM's lunch in the small/mid sized ISP arena....
Since support is sold per card (and you gotta cover all the cards!) quick add up and see what 3COM is gonna cost you to go v.92.
Then look at all the OTHER RAS vendors that are doing FREE v.92 upgrades....
Paul Farber Farber Technology farber@admin.f-tech.net Ph 570-628-5303 Fax 570-628-5545
On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, Marshall Morgan wrote:
Who actually has a service contract except ANS/AOL and such? In addition, it also says nothing about supporting v.92 on anything but Enhanced chassis' (DS3 Ingress/Quad DS1 DSPs, 128M HiperNMCs and newer HiperARCs (256M and faster processers?) - not necessarily single T1/E1 HiperDSPs, or 16M HiperNMCs or 64/128M HiperARCs.
Overall 3Com/Commworks will find a way to try and get money out of us - who is purchasing near the quantity of modems that they did two years ago. Only time will tell - (I mean, when did they ever meet a code update date in the past?)
Marshall Morgan
Internet Doorway, Inc (aka NETDOOR) http://www.netdoor.com
601.969.1434 x28 | 800.952.1570 x28 | 601.969.3629 x28 | Fax 601.969.3838 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark E. Levy" <Mark@fsi.net> To: <usr-tc@lists.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 10:04 PM Subject: RE: (usr-tc) Commworks v.92 Announcement
It's my understanding that it will be free - if you have a service contract...
Of course it will be free! .... yeah right :-}
Marshall Morgan
Internet Doorway, Inc (aka NETDOOR) http://www.netdoor.com
601.969.1434 x28 | 800.952.1570 x28 | 601.969.3629 x28 | Fax 601.969.3838 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Andrews" <mandrews@bit0.com> To: <usr-tc@lists.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 6:09 PM Subject: Re: (usr-tc) Commworks v.92 Announcement
Hm. Q3 of 2001. No word on pricing.
Mike Andrews * mandrews@dcr.net * mandrews@bit0.com * http://www.bit0.com VP, sysadmin, & network guy, Digital Crescent Inc, Frankfort KY Internet access for Frankfort, Lexington, Louisville and surrounding counties www.fark.com: If it's not news, it's Fark. (Or something like that.)
On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, Marshall Morgan wrote:
http://commworks.com/svprovider/news/apr0401b.html
"COMMWORKS CORPORATION TO SUPPORT V.92 MODEM STANDARD ON ITS FLAGSHIP TOTAL CONTROL 1000 ENHANCED DATA SYSTEM"
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I would be interested in your experiences and other 'solutions'. We currently have a software contract at a reduced price that I am considering extending before it expires. I also am being required to go to a much more compact format to fit into a new colo facility which is requiring me to replace half my modems with dsp's to collapse the number of required chassis's. If I am going to be spending that kind of change I need to check out the options. I'm a little worried about Patton as a vendor for modem code as I don't perceive them as a dialup player, but that may be unfair. Cisco is attractive and I have very good tech support relations with them, but the configuration issues for dialup are daunting. I'm not sure if they could have made some of the commands any more obscure if they deliberately tried. Mark Thornton San Marcos Internet, Inc. 512-393-5300 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Farber" <farber@admin.f-tech.net> To: <usr-tc@lists.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 11:53 AM Subject: Re: (usr-tc) Commworks v.92 Announcement
Yeah, the 96 porter had some issues.... but they are resolved now. Saw them at ISPCON and they gave me a pretty detailed explination of what it was and was assured that it was fixed.
I bought the gear on a 30 day PO... so no money is changing hands :)
I have 144 port showing up next week... to replace some DSPs going off lease... C-YA 3COM!
Everyone will have different level of success with the 3COM gear/support... my particular experience has been average to poor with 3COM gear... so that's a major reason to go to another vendor.
Plus I can't see how a company can make rock solid modem code when things are muddied up with VoIP and other useless (to me) 'features' that I dont want/need. There are 7K small mid sized ISP's that need solid dial up equipment.... 3COM isn't that anymore.
Paul Farber Farber Technology farber@admin.f-tech.net Ph 570-628-5303 Fax 570-628-5545
On Fri, 6 Apr 2001 netboss@cyberport.net wrote:
Patton is not going to eat anybodies lunch unless they get their 48 and 96 port models working. We had several units for about a month and could get nowhere the connection speeds that we got with our old Quad Modem cards. Proceed carefully with Patton.
They are also slow to refund the money you paid in good faith. "Accounting" is never available to answer you questions about "where's the refund".
At 11:09 AM 4/6/01 -0400, you wrote:
The market for 3COM gear should be flooded in the next year as most of the year 1-2 HiperDSP leases expire. I'm giving up a chassis next month. v.92 is not a good enough reason to stay 3COM with all the minuses that come with the support/software.
Companies like Patton are going to eat 3COM's lunch in the small/mid sized ISP arena....
Since support is sold per card (and you gotta cover all the cards!) quick add up and see what 3COM is gonna cost you to go v.92.
Then look at all the OTHER RAS vendors that are doing FREE v.92 upgrades....
Paul Farber Farber Technology farber@admin.f-tech.net Ph 570-628-5303 Fax 570-628-5545
On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, Marshall Morgan wrote:
Who actually has a service contract except ANS/AOL and such? In addition, it also says nothing about supporting v.92 on anything but Enhanced chassis' (DS3 Ingress/Quad DS1 DSPs, 128M HiperNMCs and newer HiperARCs (256M and faster processers?) - not necessarily single T1/E1 HiperDSPs, or 16M HiperNMCs or 64/128M HiperARCs.
Overall 3Com/Commworks will find a way to try and get money out of us - who is purchasing near the quantity of modems that they did two years ago. Only time will tell - (I mean, when did they ever meet a code update date in the past?)
Marshall Morgan
Internet Doorway, Inc (aka NETDOOR) http://www.netdoor.com
601.969.1434 x28 | 800.952.1570 x28 | 601.969.3629 x28 | Fax 601.969.3838 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark E. Levy" <Mark@fsi.net> To: <usr-tc@lists.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 10:04 PM Subject: RE: (usr-tc) Commworks v.92 Announcement
It's my understanding that it will be free - if you have a service contract...
Of course it will be free! .... yeah right :-}
Marshall Morgan
Internet Doorway, Inc (aka NETDOOR) http://www.netdoor.com
601.969.1434 x28 | 800.952.1570 x28 | 601.969.3629 x28 | Fax 601.969.3838 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Andrews" <mandrews@bit0.com> To: <usr-tc@lists.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 6:09 PM Subject: Re: (usr-tc) Commworks v.92 Announcement
> Hm. Q3 of 2001. No word on pricing. > > > Mike Andrews * mandrews@dcr.net * mandrews@bit0.com * http://www.bit0.com VP, sysadmin, & network guy, Digital Crescent Inc, Frankfort KY Internet access for Frankfort, Lexington, Louisville and surrounding counties www.fark.com: If it's not news, it's Fark. (Or something like that.)
On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, Marshall Morgan wrote:
> http://commworks.com/svprovider/news/apr0401b.html > > "COMMWORKS CORPORATION TO SUPPORT V.92 MODEM STANDARD ON ITS FLAGSHIP TOTAL > CONTROL 1000 ENHANCED DATA SYSTEM"
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