V.92 was posted for Beta last week (August 23, 2001). I have asked for some official words to submit to this list. Anyone looking to be a part of the Beta would need to fill out the Beta form on Total Service. Min Requirements for V.92 HiPer DSP HiPer ARC w/ 128MB HiPer NMC or Multi-Span New ARC or 56bit VPN ARC 333MHz NMC Hardware Requirements for Multi-Span Blade (96-port card) HiPer ARC w/ 128MB HiPer NMC Note: Max number of ports that these cards will handle is 450 ports. ( you could add 4 multi-spans to a Total Control 1000 with 48 ports of HiPer DSP) The new 333MHz NMC and New ARC will handle 672 ports. More to follow. Tom Goodman RAS Specialist (United States) "Randy Cosby" <dcosby@infowest.com> on 08/20/2001 12:34:40 PM Please respond to usr-tc@lists.xmission.com Sent by: "Randy Cosby" <dcosby@infowest.com> To: usr-tc@lists.xmission.com cc: (Thomas Goodman/MW/US/3Com) Subject: (usr-tc) V.92 - anyone there yet? Has anyone installed the V.92 software? Can you give details of performance, problems, how the upgrade is done, etc? I'm also interested in hearing any experiences with the 96 port DSP's. What are the "practical" requirements (power, HARC, etc.) to run those? I've been off the list of a while, so apologies if this has been discussed before. Randy Cosby Developer Shed, Inc./InfoWest, Inc. 435-674-0165 x11 Fax: 435-674-9654 --- http://www.infowest.com http://www.devshed.com - To unsubscribe to usr-tc, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe usr-tc" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. - To unsubscribe to usr-tc, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe usr-tc" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message.
Hi, Is HiPer NMC actually necessary for v.92 to function? I'm guessing that to force an upgrade to HiPer NMC that no mib support for v.92 knobs will be in the next 486 NMC? That would be bad. I really have no incentive other than this to upgrade my NMC cards. They work just fine :) Charles | Charles Sprickman | Internet Channel | INCH System Administration Team | (212)243-5200 | spork@inch.com | access@inch.com On Sun, 26 Aug 2001 Thomas_Goodman@3com.com wrote:
V.92 was posted for Beta last week (August 23, 2001). I have asked for some official words to submit to this list. Anyone looking to be a part of the Beta would need to fill out the Beta form on Total Service.
Min Requirements for V.92 HiPer DSP HiPer ARC w/ 128MB HiPer NMC or Multi-Span New ARC or 56bit VPN ARC 333MHz NMC
Hardware Requirements for Multi-Span Blade (96-port card) HiPer ARC w/ 128MB HiPer NMC Note: Max number of ports that these cards will handle is 450 ports. ( you could add 4 multi-spans to a Total Control 1000 with 48 ports of HiPer DSP) The new 333MHz NMC and New ARC will handle 672 ports.
More to follow.
Tom Goodman RAS Specialist (United States)
"Randy Cosby" <dcosby@infowest.com> on 08/20/2001 12:34:40 PM
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Has anyone installed the V.92 software? Can you give details of performance, problems, how the upgrade is done, etc? I'm also interested in hearing any experiences with the 96 port DSP's. What are the "practical" requirements (power, HARC, etc.) to run those?
I've been off the list of a while, so apologies if this has been discussed before.
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Mr. Goodman, Does 3com feel good about how they are going to distribute v.92? When others are giving it away? and encouraging all the 3com ISPs to switch with some nice incentives? We have competitors that have v.92 and it didn't cost them a dime... 3com needs to realize that we have paid handsomely for our equipment and if they want ISP's to continue to support and stick with them they should be considering upgrades for this stuff for free or relatively cheap. Oh and please do not say "if you are under a support blah... blah... blah". You are in the equipment business... we bought the equipment... not 3com's terrible support... we do our own support and do a very good job of it I might add. Oh and I am NOT alone on this one... 75% on this list feel the same way I do. Some of which have done a lot in the past to help grow 3com with their own support. We have well over 2500 ports and we are NOT happy! Also... we are STILL waiting on those 5 Palm Pilots we were promise 2 years ago. Thank you, -- Ed Taylor -----Original Message----- From: owner-usr-tc@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-usr-tc@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Thomas_Goodman@3com.com Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 8:29 PM To: usr-tc@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: (usr-tc) V.92 - anyone there yet? V.92 was posted for Beta last week (August 23, 2001). I have asked for some official words to submit to this list. Anyone looking to be a part of the Beta would need to fill out the Beta form on Total Service. Min Requirements for V.92 HiPer DSP HiPer ARC w/ 128MB HiPer NMC or Multi-Span New ARC or 56bit VPN ARC 333MHz NMC Hardware Requirements for Multi-Span Blade (96-port card) HiPer ARC w/ 128MB HiPer NMC Note: Max number of ports that these cards will handle is 450 ports. ( you could add 4 multi-spans to a Total Control 1000 with 48 ports of HiPer DSP) The new 333MHz NMC and New ARC will handle 672 ports. More to follow. Tom Goodman RAS Specialist (United States) - To unsubscribe to usr-tc, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe usr-tc" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message.
Does 3com feel good about how they are going to distribute v.92? When others are giving it away? and encouraging all the 3com ISPs to switch with some nice incentives?
V.92 - we're still smarting over the bugs in the NETserver that were never fixed. We were told to buy a contract to get them fixed, so we did. Then we get told they'll never be fixed and to buy an ARC instead. *Buy*? We paid for support to fix these things and get told the only way is to buy another product? We didn't care if 3COM decided to remedy the problem by *giving* us ARC's, but of course that didn't happen.
We have competitors that have v.92 and it didn't cost them a dime...
My honest opinion is that 3COM don't want to be in the RAS business. They charge like wounded bulls for support and then don't deliver what they promise. Warranty support was nigh on impossible for us to get, and even now that case is still pending. One warranty case was closed recently without even consulting us, well before the problem was resolved and now rather than refer to the previous case notes we're being forced to go through the whole process from the start - again.
Oh and I am NOT alone on this one... 75% on this list feel the same way I do.
No doubt. The only reason we recently bought more 3COM was because it was too cheap to turn down (a fully populated HiPer chassis at half Cisco prices). Needless to say we didn't buy it from 3COM, but from a reseller who was stuck with it.
We have well over 2500 ports and we are NOT happy!
A tad over 1000 ports here.
Also... we are STILL waiting on those 5 Palm Pilots we were promise 2 years ago.
We got ours, but that was before USR was bought by 3COM. Back then local support was good too. - To unsubscribe to usr-tc, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe usr-tc" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message.
I have both PM3s and Cisco AS5248s that were purchased at the same time as my TotalControl Hiper systems and that won't ever see v.92 loaded onto them. Some of my Hiper equipment just turned 3 years old, and the fact that it's even able to migrate to the latest standards is something I value. Now I'd rather not have to pay for that, but after 3 years of use I don't think that the replacement of 1 card to bring an entire chassis up to an entirely new standard is such a terrible thing. Maybe 3Com would consider a trade-in program for the NMC. It would cost considerably more to move all of my ports to another vendor than it would to simply upgrade the NMC. Mike Wilker Director of Network Operations Tiger Communications DBA Local Link USA, Globaleyes Comm, Protocom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Taylor" <ed@1st.net> To: <usr-tc@lists.xmission.com>; <Thomas_Goodman@3com.com> Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 10:50 PM Subject: RE: (usr-tc) V.92 - anyone there yet? Mr. Goodman, Does 3com feel good about how they are going to distribute v.92? When others are giving it away? and encouraging all the 3com ISPs to switch with some nice incentives? We have competitors that have v.92 and it didn't cost them a dime... 3com needs to realize that we have paid handsomely for our equipment and if they want ISP's to continue to support and stick with them they should be considering upgrades for this stuff for free or relatively cheap. Oh and please do not say "if you are under a support blah... blah... blah". You are in the equipment business... we bought the equipment... not 3com's terrible support... we do our own support and do a very good job of it I might add. Oh and I am NOT alone on this one... 75% on this list feel the same way I do. Some of which have done a lot in the past to help grow 3com with their own support. We have well over 2500 ports and we are NOT happy! Also... we are STILL waiting on those 5 Palm Pilots we were promise 2 years ago. Thank you, -- Ed Taylor -----Original Message----- From: owner-usr-tc@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-usr-tc@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Thomas_Goodman@3com.com Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 8:29 PM To: usr-tc@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: (usr-tc) V.92 - anyone there yet? V.92 was posted for Beta last week (August 23, 2001). I have asked for some official words to submit to this list. Anyone looking to be a part of the Beta would need to fill out the Beta form on Total Service. Min Requirements for V.92 HiPer DSP HiPer ARC w/ 128MB HiPer NMC or Multi-Span New ARC or 56bit VPN ARC 333MHz NMC Hardware Requirements for Multi-Span Blade (96-port card) HiPer ARC w/ 128MB HiPer NMC Note: Max number of ports that these cards will handle is 450 ports. ( you could add 4 multi-spans to a Total Control 1000 with 48 ports of HiPer DSP) The new 333MHz NMC and New ARC will handle 672 ports. More to follow. Tom Goodman RAS Specialist (United States) - To unsubscribe to usr-tc, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe usr-tc" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. - To unsubscribe to usr-tc, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe usr-tc" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message.
Also sprach Mike Wilker
I have both PM3s and Cisco AS5248s that were purchased at the same time as my TotalControl Hiper systems and that won't ever see v.92 loaded onto them. Some of my Hiper equipment just turned 3 years old, and the fact that it's even able to migrate to the latest standards is something I value. Now I'd rather not have to pay for that, but after 3 years of use I don't think that the replacement of 1 card to bring an entire chassis up to an entirely new standard is such a terrible thing. Maybe 3Com would consider a trade-in program for the NMC. It would cost considerably more to move all of my ports to another vendor than it would to simply upgrade the NMC.
Check out Patton. It was going to cost me considerably *less* to forklift upgrade to Patton than to update cards and get support rapes^Wcontracts for the Total Control gear to get V.92. I don't think we're going to go that route...but for different reasons. -- Jeff McAdams Email: jeffm@iglou.com Head Network Administrator Voice: (502) 966-3848 IgLou Internet Services (800) 436-4456 - To unsubscribe to usr-tc, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe usr-tc" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message.
On Mon, 27 Aug 2001, Jeff Mcadams wrote:
Check out Patton.
It was going to cost me considerably *less* to forklift upgrade to Patton than to update cards and get support rapes^Wcontracts for the Total Control gear to get V.92. I don't think we're going to go that route...but for different reasons.
We're in the same boat, and Ariel now has a neat deal where they will convert IMT (Intermachine Trunks) to 24 line PRI's using their SS7 Switch... so our final PRI cost was less than $300 for 24 lines... the catch, we must use Ariel RAS equipment. Big deal... it supports v.92 and has a modem compatibility list a mile long... and the prices for the Ariel equipment are fairly low. Latest purchase of ports around here was _not_ 3Com. Damn! Now I have to rewrite TCView... ArielView? ;-) ----Steve Stephen Amadei Dandy.net CTO Atlantic City, NJ - To unsubscribe to usr-tc, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe usr-tc" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message.
On Tue, 28 Aug 2001, Stephen Amadei wrote:
We're in the same boat, and Ariel now has a neat deal where they will convert IMT (Intermachine Trunks) to 24 line PRI's using their SS7 Switch... so our final PRI cost was less than $300 for 24 lines... the catch, we must use Ariel RAS equipment. Big deal... it supports v.92 and has a modem compatibility list a mile long... and the prices for the Ariel equipment are fairly low.
From their web page:
"In conjunction with all the above reasons to buy a RS2000, Ariel's recent price reduction makes NOW the perfect time to purchase remote access server equipment to help you start or expand your business. At just $2,376 for a 24-port, T1/PRI PCI card, you can't afford to pass on this opportunity!" But there's a guy here selling used DSP's for $1500 quite often... That's only $62/port. And when you throw away your quads, you've got quite a bit of room :) Of course they'll probably EOL the T1 DSPs as they ramp up the DS3 cards... C
Latest purchase of ports around here was _not_ 3Com. Damn! Now I have to rewrite TCView... ArielView? ;-)
----Steve Stephen Amadei Dandy.net CTO Atlantic City, NJ
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You know something ED, you have hit the nail right on the head with this 3COM stuff and upgrades and support. I agree with you on every you said below. It is just too bad that 3COM will not acknowledge you message. Andrew -----Original Message----- From: owner-usr-tc@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-usr-tc@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Ed Taylor Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 11:51 PM To: usr-tc@lists.xmission.com; Thomas_Goodman@3com.com Subject: RE: (usr-tc) V.92 - anyone there yet? Importance: High Mr. Goodman, Does 3com feel good about how they are going to distribute v.92? When others are giving it away? and encouraging all the 3com ISPs to switch with some nice incentives? We have competitors that have v.92 and it didn't cost them a dime... 3com needs to realize that we have paid handsomely for our equipment and if they want ISP's to continue to support and stick with them they should be considering upgrades for this stuff for free or relatively cheap. Oh and please do not say "if you are under a support blah... blah... blah". You are in the equipment business... we bought the equipment... not 3com's terrible support... we do our own support and do a very good job of it I might add. Oh and I am NOT alone on this one... 75% on this list feel the same way I do. Some of which have done a lot in the past to help grow 3com with their own support. We have well over 2500 ports and we are NOT happy! Also... we are STILL waiting on those 5 Palm Pilots we were promise 2 years ago. Thank you, -- Ed Taylor -----Original Message----- From: owner-usr-tc@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-usr-tc@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Thomas_Goodman@3com.com Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 8:29 PM To: usr-tc@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: (usr-tc) V.92 - anyone there yet? V.92 was posted for Beta last week (August 23, 2001). I have asked for some official words to submit to this list. Anyone looking to be a part of the Beta would need to fill out the Beta form on Total Service. Min Requirements for V.92 HiPer DSP HiPer ARC w/ 128MB HiPer NMC or Multi-Span New ARC or 56bit VPN ARC 333MHz NMC Hardware Requirements for Multi-Span Blade (96-port card) HiPer ARC w/ 128MB HiPer NMC Note: Max number of ports that these cards will handle is 450 ports. ( you could add 4 multi-spans to a Total Control 1000 with 48 ports of HiPer DSP) The new 333MHz NMC and New ARC will handle 672 ports. More to follow. Tom Goodman RAS Specialist (United States) - To unsubscribe to usr-tc, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe usr-tc" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. - To unsubscribe to usr-tc, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe usr-tc" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message.
I don't really disagree with what being said here, but here we finally have someone from 3Com offering to provide useful information. Tom isn't the cause of the problem. Seth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew (NetFlash System Administrator)" <andrew@netflash.net> To: <usr-tc@lists.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 11:43 AM Subject: RE: (usr-tc) V.92 - anyone there yet?
You know something ED, you have hit the nail right on the head with this 3COM stuff and upgrades and support. I agree with you on every you said below. It is just too bad that 3COM will not acknowledge you message.
Andrew
-----Original Message----- From: owner-usr-tc@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-usr-tc@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Ed Taylor Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 11:51 PM To: usr-tc@lists.xmission.com; Thomas_Goodman@3com.com Subject: RE: (usr-tc) V.92 - anyone there yet? Importance: High
Mr. Goodman,
Does 3com feel good about how they are going to distribute v.92? When others are giving it away? and encouraging all the 3com ISPs to switch with some nice incentives?
We have competitors that have v.92 and it didn't cost them a dime... 3com needs to realize that we have paid handsomely for our equipment and if they want ISP's to continue to support and stick with them they should be considering upgrades for this stuff for free or relatively cheap. Oh and please do not say "if you are under a support blah... blah... blah". You are in the equipment business... we bought the equipment... not 3com's terrible support... we do our own support and do a very good job of it I might add.
Oh and I am NOT alone on this one... 75% on this list feel the same way I do. Some of which have done a lot in the past to help grow 3com with their own support.
We have well over 2500 ports and we are NOT happy!
Also... we are STILL waiting on those 5 Palm Pilots we were promise 2 years ago.
Thank you,
-- Ed Taylor
-----Original Message----- From: owner-usr-tc@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-usr-tc@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Thomas_Goodman@3com.com Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 8:29 PM To: usr-tc@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: (usr-tc) V.92 - anyone there yet?
V.92 was posted for Beta last week (August 23, 2001). I have asked for some official words to submit to this list. Anyone looking to be a part of the Beta would need to fill out the Beta form on Total Service.
Min Requirements for V.92 HiPer DSP HiPer ARC w/ 128MB HiPer NMC or Multi-Span New ARC or 56bit VPN ARC 333MHz NMC
Hardware Requirements for Multi-Span Blade (96-port card) HiPer ARC w/ 128MB HiPer NMC Note: Max number of ports that these cards will handle is 450 ports. ( you could add 4 multi-spans to a Total Control 1000 with 48 ports of HiPer DSP) The new 333MHz NMC and New ARC will handle 672 ports.
More to follow.
Tom Goodman RAS Specialist (United States)
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Also sprach Seth Jacobs
I don't really disagree with what being said here, but here we finally have someone from 3Com offering to provide useful information. Tom isn't the cause of the problem.
And I'll strongly "amen" this statement. Tom has been absolutely *wonderful* to deal with over the years (we dealt with him back before USR was purchased by 3Com), and has almost always worked for the good of his customers...even taking battles very strongly up the chain of command within 3Com. Unfortunately, the chain of command for support issues ends at Al Huefner and Irfan Ali. These people are the problem, not Tom. -- Jeff McAdams Email: jeffm@iglou.com Head Network Administrator Voice: (502) 966-3848 IgLou Internet Services (800) 436-4456 - To unsubscribe to usr-tc, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe usr-tc" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message.
I agree... Tom has been ok (other than the Palms we were promised and never received). However, Tom is the one that posted the 'great deal'. So I felt he could take our message back to 3com so they could stick it in their pipe. Or at least do something for those of us who have stuck it out this long to show their appreciation... -- Edgar D. Taylor President/CEO FIRST USA Inc. Voice: (800) 716-6190 Fax: (740) 695-7258 Email: ed@1st.net Web: http://www.1st.net -- Simply 1st in Internet Solutions! -- -----Original Message----- From: owner-usr-tc@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-usr-tc@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Jeff Mcadams Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 3:54 PM To: usr-tc@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: (usr-tc) V.92 - anyone there yet? Also sprach Seth Jacobs
I don't really disagree with what being said here, but here we finally have someone from 3Com offering to provide useful information. Tom isn't the cause of the problem.
And I'll strongly "amen" this statement. Tom has been absolutely *wonderful* to deal with over the years (we dealt with him back before USR was purchased by 3Com), and has almost always worked for the good of his customers...even taking battles very strongly up the chain of command within 3Com. Unfortunately, the chain of command for support issues ends at Al Huefner and Irfan Ali. These people are the problem, not Tom. -- Jeff McAdams Email: jeffm@iglou.com Head Network Administrator Voice: (502) 966-3848 IgLou Internet Services (800) 436-4456 - To unsubscribe to usr-tc, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe usr-tc" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. - To unsubscribe to usr-tc, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe usr-tc" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message.
*This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) Pro* What is the price they are charging without the support contract? So far the support has been pretty forward. Of course I haven't bought it yet. They will come and install it. Then an engineer will come out and work with us for a couple of days. Bennie
*This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) Pro* You know something ED, you have hit the nail right on the head with this 3COM stuff and upgrades and support. I agree with you on every you said below. It is just too bad that 3COM will not acknowledge you message.
Andrew
-----Original Message----- From: owner-usr-tc@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-usr-tc@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Ed Taylor Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 11:51 PM To: usr-tc@lists.xmission.com; Thomas_Goodman@3com.com Subject: RE: (usr-tc) V.92 - anyone there yet? Importance: High
Mr. Goodman,
Does 3com feel good about how they are going to distribute v.92? When others are giving it away? and encouraging all the 3com ISPs to switch with some nice incentives?
We have competitors that have v.92 and it didn't cost them a dime... 3com needs to realize that we have paid handsomely for our equipment and if they want ISP's to continue to support and stick with them they should be considering upgrades for this stuff for free or relatively cheap. Oh and please do not say "if you are under a support blah... blah... blah". You are in the equipment business... we bought the equipment... not 3com's terrible support... we do our own support and do a very good job of it I might add.
Oh and I am NOT alone on this one... 75% on this list feel the same way I do. Some of which have done a lot in the past to help grow 3com with their own support.
We have well over 2500 ports and we are NOT happy!
Also... we are STILL waiting on those 5 Palm Pilots we were promise 2 years ago.
Thank you,
-- Ed Taylor
-----Original Message----- From: owner-usr-tc@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-usr-tc@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Thomas_Goodman@3com.com Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 8:29 PM To: usr-tc@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: (usr-tc) V.92 - anyone there yet?
V.92 was posted for Beta last week (August 23, 2001). I have asked for some official words to submit to this list. Anyone looking to be a part of the Beta would need to fill out the Beta form on Total Service.
Min Requirements for V.92 HiPer DSP HiPer ARC w/ 128MB HiPer NMC or Multi-Span New ARC or 56bit VPN ARC 333MHz NMC
Hardware Requirements for Multi-Span Blade (96-port card) HiPer ARC w/ 128MB HiPer NMC Note: Max number of ports that these cards will handle is 450 ports. ( you could add 4 multi-spans to a Total Control 1000 with 48 ports of HiPer DSP) The new 333MHz NMC and New ARC will handle 672 ports.
More to follow.
Tom Goodman RAS Specialist (United States)
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Patton is gonna upgrade the 200+ ports I got from them for $0... plus support the units. Needless to say the market will be FLOODED with 3COM gear when all the ISP's leases come up (I have the first 96 of 312 leased ports coming up in about 3 months... guess which RAS vendor will be getting a call from me to replace the ports going back? Beuhler? Beuhler? ) There should be an anonymous web page where ISP's can post the number of ports replacing, and with what vendor to show 3COM that the jig is up. -- Paul Farber Farber Technology farber@admin.f-tech.net Ph 570-628-5303 Fax 570-628-5545 On Wed, 29 Aug 2001, Bennie Warren wrote:
*This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) Pro* What is the price they are charging without the support contract? So far the support has been pretty forward. Of course I haven't bought it yet. They will come and install it. Then an engineer will come out and work with us for a couple of days.
Bennie
*This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) Pro* You know something ED, you have hit the nail right on the head with this 3COM stuff and upgrades and support. I agree with you on every you said below. It is just too bad that 3COM will not acknowledge you message.
Andrew
-----Original Message----- From: owner-usr-tc@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-usr-tc@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Ed Taylor Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 11:51 PM To: usr-tc@lists.xmission.com; Thomas_Goodman@3com.com Subject: RE: (usr-tc) V.92 - anyone there yet? Importance: High
Mr. Goodman,
Does 3com feel good about how they are going to distribute v.92? When others are giving it away? and encouraging all the 3com ISPs to switch with some nice incentives?
We have competitors that have v.92 and it didn't cost them a dime... 3com needs to realize that we have paid handsomely for our equipment and if they want ISP's to continue to support and stick with them they should be considering upgrades for this stuff for free or relatively cheap. Oh and please do not say "if you are under a support blah... blah... blah". You are in the equipment business... we bought the equipment... not 3com's terrible support... we do our own support and do a very good job of it I might add.
Oh and I am NOT alone on this one... 75% on this list feel the same way I do. Some of which have done a lot in the past to help grow 3com with their own support.
We have well over 2500 ports and we are NOT happy!
Also... we are STILL waiting on those 5 Palm Pilots we were promise 2 years ago.
Thank you,
-- Ed Taylor
-----Original Message----- From: owner-usr-tc@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-usr-tc@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Thomas_Goodman@3com.com Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 8:29 PM To: usr-tc@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: (usr-tc) V.92 - anyone there yet?
V.92 was posted for Beta last week (August 23, 2001). I have asked for some official words to submit to this list. Anyone looking to be a part of the Beta would need to fill out the Beta form on Total Service.
Min Requirements for V.92 HiPer DSP HiPer ARC w/ 128MB HiPer NMC or Multi-Span New ARC or 56bit VPN ARC 333MHz NMC
Hardware Requirements for Multi-Span Blade (96-port card) HiPer ARC w/ 128MB HiPer NMC Note: Max number of ports that these cards will handle is 450 ports. ( you could add 4 multi-spans to a Total Control 1000 with 48 ports of HiPer DSP) The new 333MHz NMC and New ARC will handle 672 ports.
More to follow.
Tom Goodman RAS Specialist (United States)
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Needless to say the market will be FLOODED with 3COM gear when all the ISP's leases come up (I have the first 96 of 312 leased ports coming up in about 3 months... guess which RAS vendor will be getting a call from me to replace the ports going back? Beuhler? Beuhler? )
We're thinking about Cisco...a bit more expensive than the Patton offering...but some really cool extra capabilities come with it.
There should be an anonymous web page where ISP's can post the number of ports replacing, and with what vendor to show 3COM that the jig is up.
Why anonymous? I'd be happy to let them know what the final decision is here if they'd even just accept my email address. *shrug* Its clear that 3Com doesn't want to hear from their customers. Did any of you all read the 10K? Good grief! Claflin and company should be indicted! I would think, based on the performance of 3Com as a company, that they wouldn't be getting any bonus at all...I guess that's what I get for having those pesky ethics. -- Jeff McAdams Email: jeffm@iglou.com Head Network Administrator Voice: (502) 966-3848 IgLou Internet Services (800) 436-4456 - To unsubscribe to usr-tc, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe usr-tc" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message.
One thing that got me to move on from 3COM is that most of the small mid ISP's need RAS, not VoIP or wireless access etc etc etc..... but good, reliable modem pools to feed the masses. -- Paul Farber Farber Technology farber@admin.f-tech.net Ph 570-628-5303 Fax 570-628-5545 On Wed, 29 Aug 2001, Jeff Mcadams wrote:
We're thinking about Cisco...a bit more expensive than the Patton offering...but some really cool extra capabilities come with it.
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Mr. Goodman; I am still waiting for replies to my 3 emails to the management of 3Com before I do any more business with your company. I worked for 30 years in the computer industry before starting Dayton Internet, and I worked for and with all the BIG companies in the industry, IBM, Burroughs, Intel, NCR, Honeywell, ADP, EDP, Univac, Cisco, ADDS, etc etc and I never ever saw a policy for preventing the distribution of repair software to existing users as bad as the 3Com policy. --Rich Adams, President-Dayton Internet Services, Dayton, Ohio-- --w8mfd@dayton.net--www.dayton.net--www.dayton.com--937-586-2500-- On Sun, 26 Aug 2001 Thomas_Goodman@3com.com wrote:
V.92 was posted for Beta last week (August 23, 2001). I have asked for some official words to submit to this list. Anyone looking to be a part of the Beta would need to fill out the Beta form on Total Service.
Min Requirements for V.92 HiPer DSP HiPer ARC w/ 128MB HiPer NMC or Multi-Span New ARC or 56bit VPN ARC 333MHz NMC
Hardware Requirements for Multi-Span Blade (96-port card) HiPer ARC w/ 128MB HiPer NMC Note: Max number of ports that these cards will handle is 450 ports. ( you could add 4 multi-spans to a Total Control 1000 with 48 ports of HiPer DSP) The new 333MHz NMC and New ARC will handle 672 ports.
More to follow.
Tom Goodman RAS Specialist (United States)
"Randy Cosby" <dcosby@infowest.com> on 08/20/2001 12:34:40 PM
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To: usr-tc@lists.xmission.com cc: (Thomas Goodman/MW/US/3Com) Subject: (usr-tc) V.92 - anyone there yet?
Has anyone installed the V.92 software? Can you give details of performance, problems, how the upgrade is done, etc? I'm also interested in hearing any experiences with the 96 port DSP's. What are the "practical" requirements (power, HARC, etc.) to run those?
I've been off the list of a while, so apologies if this has been discussed before.
Randy Cosby Developer Shed, Inc./InfoWest, Inc. 435-674-0165 x11 Fax: 435-674-9654 --- http://www.infowest.com http://www.devshed.com
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