Everyone, We continue to struggle with certain MAC computers connecting to our TC racks. The struggle is often on older MACs (prior to version 8) which don't always come with a browser and sometimes not even a PPP stack. Our latest problem child is a Mac Quadra 610 with 7.1 on it . I am wodering what folks are doing to provide software to MAC customers. We have a CDROM burner and we have the HyCD software which supposedly burns MAC CDROMs ( we downlaod the software off of the Internet and then burn the CDs) but we have had limited success with this. What are others doing to deal with the MACs ? THanks, Jeff Binkley ASA Network Computing - To unsubscribe to usr-tc, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe usr-tc" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message.
There are a *few* Mac/PC setup CD's out there. A quick search should bring them up. I believe that most small/med ISP's don't have a formal MAC support system. Seeing that they are less prevelant than even LINUX boxes (in my experience).... that or linux users can get on without assistance while MAC users are led to believe that this stuff really does work as advertised. Paul Farber Farber Technology farber@admin.f-tech.net Ph 570-628-5303 Fax 570-628-5545 On Wed, 31 May 2000, Jeff Binkley wrote:
Everyone,
We continue to struggle with certain MAC computers connecting to our TC racks. The struggle is often on older MACs (prior to version 8) which don't always come with a browser and sometimes not even a PPP stack. Our latest problem child is a Mac Quadra 610 with 7.1 on it . I am wodering what folks are doing to provide software to MAC customers. We have a CDROM burner and we have the HyCD software which supposedly burns MAC CDROMs ( we downlaod the software off of the Internet and then burn the CDs) but we have had limited success with this. What are others doing to deal with the MACs ?
THanks,
Jeff Binkley ASA Network Computing
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On Wed, 31 May 2000, Paul Farber wrote:
MAC users are led to believe that this stuff really does work as advertised.
It actually does if you don't need to dial into a HiPer DSP equipped ISP. You should give it a shot sometime. Two plugs, a phone number, and a login is about all you need. No 'dialup adapter' or tcp-ip stack to install/uninstall/reinstall. I won't vouch for the quality of the old system, but O/T PPP blows most other crap away... Unless you're stuck dialing into usr equipment. :) Charles
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On Wed, 31 May 2000, Jeff Binkley wrote:
Everyone,
We continue to struggle with certain MAC computers connecting to our TC racks. The struggle is often on older MACs (prior to version 8) which don't always come with a browser and sometimes not even a PPP stack. Our latest problem child is a Mac Quadra 610 with 7.1 on it . I am wodering what folks are doing to provide software to MAC customers. We have a CDROM burner and we have the HyCD software which supposedly burns MAC CDROMs ( we downlaod the software off of the Internet and then burn the CDs) but we have had limited success with this. What are others doing to deal with the MACs ?
THanks,
Jeff Binkley ASA Network Computing
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And you have what experience with TC? They are pretty good RAS'es. Most of the time a crappy modem (Apple is not immune to this) or old drivers are the problem. I wish I had a dime for every sw update that 'magically' cleared up a connect problem. MAC has not released new modem drivers in about 6 months.... so THEY perfected v.90 code??? Don't think so. Paul Farber Farber Technology farber@admin.f-tech.net Ph 570-628-5303 Fax 570-628-5545 On Wed, 31 May 2000, Charles Sprickman wrote:
On Wed, 31 May 2000, Paul Farber wrote:
MAC users are led to believe that this stuff really does work as advertised.
It actually does if you don't need to dial into a HiPer DSP equipped ISP. You should give it a shot sometime. Two plugs, a phone number, and a login is about all you need. No 'dialup adapter' or tcp-ip stack to install/uninstall/reinstall.
I won't vouch for the quality of the old system, but O/T PPP blows most other crap away... Unless you're stuck dialing into usr equipment. :)
Charles
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On Wed, 31 May 2000, Jeff Binkley wrote:
Everyone,
We continue to struggle with certain MAC computers connecting to our TC racks. The struggle is often on older MACs (prior to version 8) which don't always come with a browser and sometimes not even a PPP stack. Our latest problem child is a Mac Quadra 610 with 7.1 on it . I am wodering what folks are doing to provide software to MAC customers. We have a CDROM burner and we have the HyCD software which supposedly burns MAC CDROMs ( we downlaod the software off of the Internet and then burn the CDs) but we have had limited success with this. What are others doing to deal with the MACs ?
THanks,
Jeff Binkley ASA Network Computing
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Also sprach Paul Farber
And you have what experience with TC? They are pretty good RAS'es.
I would agree with both of you actually. The TC (now called "Total Control 1000" apparently by 3Com), is a pretty good RAS unit...and OT is a pretty slick dial-up software. But, it is also true that TC's and Macs tend to not play well with each other. I tend to also agree that the modems are most likely to blame...but that doesn't make OT suck. :) -- Jeff McAdams Email: jeffm@iglou.com Head Network Administrator Voice: (502) 966-3848 IgLou Internet Services (800) 436-4456 - To unsubscribe to usr-tc, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe usr-tc" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message.
On Wed, 31 May 2000, Paul Farber wrote:
And you have what experience with TC?
Three years or so, give or take a few months...
They are pretty good RAS'es. Most of the time a crappy modem (Apple is not immune to this) or old drivers are the problem. I wish I had a dime for every sw update that 'magically' cleared up a connect problem.
And I'd like a dime for each time it didn't. We'd be equally rich.
MAC has not released new modem drivers in about 6 months.... so THEY perfected v.90 code??? Don't think so.
And the last time there was a DSP release that didn't have some sort of Rockwell fix? Personally, I'd prefer to have 3Com add more "workarounds" for things like this. Too many folks end up moving over to Ascend shops when we tell them they'll have to tweak their modem script to connect at a max 4xxxx bps to maintain a stable connection. The days of USR being the "most compatible" are over. Maybe Apple (and others) only test with Ascend/Lucent as they know that 80% or more of the the wholesale dialup ports out there are non-3Com. Even AOL is ditching 3Com for Cisco these days... Charles ps- another random thought, Michelle Catalano (sp?) does not work at Lucent.
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On Wed, 31 May 2000, Charles Sprickman wrote:
On Wed, 31 May 2000, Paul Farber wrote:
MAC users are led to believe that this stuff really does work as advertised.
It actually does if you don't need to dial into a HiPer DSP equipped ISP. You should give it a shot sometime. Two plugs, a phone number, and a login is about all you need. No 'dialup adapter' or tcp-ip stack to install/uninstall/reinstall.
I won't vouch for the quality of the old system, but O/T PPP blows most other crap away... Unless you're stuck dialing into usr equipment. :)
Charles
Paul Farber Farber Technology farber@admin.f-tech.net Ph 570-628-5303 Fax 570-628-5545
On Wed, 31 May 2000, Jeff Binkley wrote:
Everyone,
We continue to struggle with certain MAC computers connecting to our TC racks. The struggle is often on older MACs (prior to version 8) which don't always come with a browser and sometimes not even a PPP stack. Our latest problem child is a Mac Quadra 610 with 7.1 on it . I am wodering what folks are doing to provide software to MAC customers. We have a CDROM burner and we have the HyCD software which supposedly burns MAC CDROMs ( we downlaod the software off of the Internet and then burn the CDs) but we have had limited success with this. What are others doing to deal with the MACs ?
THanks,
Jeff Binkley ASA Network Computing
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All of the problems I can remember seening with Macs and TC's not getting along had to do with FreePPP. Open Transport PPP seems to work just fine for us. FreePPP is old and dead at this point, and there are known documented problems with it playing nice with certain revs of HiPer ARC code. If they have MacTCP instead of Open Transport, upgrade them to MacOS 7.5.3 or 7.6.1, both downloadable for free from Apple because 7.1 and earlier have Y2K problems. 7.6.1 will run on just about any Mac, and 7.5.3 runs on the few that won't take 7.6.1. (Hell, 7.5.3 will even run on a Mac Plus or a Mac SE, if it has enough RAM...) 7.6.1 should have Open Transport in it already. I don't remember if it has OT/PPP. But that's the combination you want... Expecting MacOS 7.1 to do anything well is about in line with expecting Windows 3.1 to do anything well -- it can be made to behave if you *really* want to try to find the right combo of software, but it's a pain in the ass. Whether it's worth it or not is up to you. (Remember used iMacs are approaching $500 if they're not already there...) Apple's v.90 modems are Conexant (Rockwell) based, so having their latest drivers helps. But if you're on a MacOS 7.1 box, you're not dealing with an Apple v.90 modem anyway. Mike Andrews (MA12) * mandrews@dcr.net * http://www.bit0.com/ VP, sysadmin, & network guy, Digital Crescent Inc, Frankfort KY Internet services for Frankfort, Lawrenceburg, Owenton, Shelbyville www.fark.com: If it's not news, it's Fark. (Or something like that.) On Wed, 31 May 2000, Jeff Binkley wrote:
Everyone,
We continue to struggle with certain MAC computers connecting to our TC racks. The struggle is often on older MACs (prior to version 8) which don't always come with a browser and sometimes not even a PPP stack. Our latest problem child is a Mac Quadra 610 with 7.1 on it . I am wodering what folks are doing to provide software to MAC customers. We have a CDROM burner and we have the HyCD software which supposedly burns MAC CDROMs ( we downlaod the software off of the Internet and then burn the CDs) but we have had limited success with this. What are others doing to deal with the MACs ?
THanks,
Jeff Binkley ASA Network Computing
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