My gripe is that they are still asking $4K for NETSERVER based gear. MLPPP or even Multi chassis MLPPP is still kinda new to the Total Control cards. ISDN connections are even worse than .v90 connections.... a large percentage of ISDN calls will somehow lose routing when MLPPP to a TC. 3Com dropped the dial up market about 1 year ago.... look at the new 'features' they've been incorporating in TC, VoIP, Cellular, etc. When the damned things can reliably take a phone call and route the packets using something other than RIP (yeah, OSPF is in their but from what I read it's not the most reliable beast), THEN add bells and whistles. I've been wanting a pure dial up RAS for a while... nothing as complex as TC for handeling mass marketed dial up access.... looks like Patton listened. And there is NO WAY a NETSERVER based chassis is worth $4K. Christ, they were only $10K NEW. Paul Farber Farber Technology farber@admin.f-tech.net Ph 570-628-5303 Fax 570-628-5545 On Fri, 31 Mar 2000, Mark Thornton wrote:
First, why are you discussing Patton on this list?
Second, I don't respect or purchase from companies that use misdirection in their advertising or market position. The Patton doesn't do 30 or 60 channels, vs 3Coms 'limit' of 48. I don't care what it will do in Europe, and I hate people who use apples and oranges comparisons.
Third, there is absolutely no mention of MLPPP, or even more critical to those who are growing, Multi-chassis MLPPP. You certainly won't be able to minimize redundant D channel usage in large aggregations of dialup lines.
Fourth, I'm supposed to purchase a mission critical piece of equipment from someone who built modem sharing devices up until last year?
Mark Thornton San Marcos Internet, Inc. 512-393-5300
----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Farber <farber@admin.f-tech.net> To: <usr-tc@lists.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2000 7:23 PM Subject: RE: (usr-tc) FS: USR TC v90
It's old, unsupported, dosen't do mlppp, has routing problems, an underpowered CPU, not enough RAM, slow management card.
For the cost of an old, outdate 2059, you can get the same ports (48) for slightly more out of patton.
How many ISP's leased 2059's with FMV cause we KNEW they were going to be discontinued... yet resellers are jacking the price up to 4500 on these 486 based RASes?
I hate when businesses screw themselved... knowingly.
Paul Farber Farber Technology farber@admin.f-tech.net Ph 570-628-5303 Fax 570-628-5545
On Thu, 30 Mar 2000, Randy Cosby wrote:
Obviously. So we're going to get 24 or 23 ports with the patton. And we're comparing that to a 48 port TC. Yeah, it's old, unsupported, but the price isn't REALLY that bad. :)
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-----Original Message----- From: owner-usr-tc@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-usr-tc@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Paul Farber Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2000 5:04 PM To: usr-tc@lists.xmission.com Subject: RE: (usr-tc) FS: USR TC v90
E1's ain't available in the US.
Paul Farber Farber Technology farber@admin.f-tech.net Ph 570-628-5303 Fax 570-628-5545
On Thu, 30 Mar 2000, Randy Cosby wrote:
How many ports on a Patton 2810? I see info at http://www.patton.com about the 2800, with UP TO 30 ports (E1 I assume).
-----Original Message----- From: owner-usr-tc@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-usr-tc@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Paul Farber Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2000 10:46 AM To: usr-tc@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: (usr-tc) FS: USR TC v90
Holly shit! I can sell my unsupport, end of life, out of date 2059 bundle for $4500! Hmmm... a Patton 2810 is only $3600 NEW.
Paul Farber Farber Technology farber@admin.f-tech.net Ph 570-628-5303 Fax 570-628-5545
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