After doing the dance with 3com over upgrading my systems to gain some additional level of stability I have come to the following conclusions. 3com wants $4640 a year for software updates only, or about $10000 for 8-5 service(?) with software updates. They also want another $4400 to purchase new v.90 keys to support my quad modems on the new hipernmc's. We talked a bit about replacing all of the quads but that would run $18,000. Pretty soon we are starting to talk about real money! The problem I have with this is why the hell does the hipernmc require a v90 key for the quad modems? Is 3com going to milk that cow until the udder bleeds? Isn't the fact that we bought the upgrade enough? We are getting real close to a break even for replacing the entire pile of trash with a new Cisco when I figure in the rebates (assuming Cisco still considers the 3com a competitive unit). Mark Thornton San Marcos Internet, Inc. 512-393-5300 - To unsubscribe to usr-tc, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe usr-tc" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message.