I have come to the conclusion that the mib's delivered by 3Com are based on RFC's that are so out of date as to not be in general circulation anymore. Additionally, if you go to 3Com's ftp site and try to find any mib's that support the TCH, they aren't there. Says a lot about the company we all bought into. Maybe my dsl implementation will take this headache away from me because it sure is a pain to keep dealing with this crap everyday. Mark Thornton San Marcos Internet, Inc. 512-393-5300 - To unsubscribe to usr-tc, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe usr-tc" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message.