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RE: (usr-tc) V.92
by Brian Becker 26 Mar '01

26 Mar '01

The 5x00 code is now in Total Scrutinizer and will be released tomorrow along with Patton and Ascend Max/TNT. Unfortunately, 3Com again wins on what you can get on a modem. NONE of the other products allows Signal-to-Noise to be grabbed over SNMP. A Cisco product manager for RAS has asked for a list of items that don't work or aren't available and said they would correct that..but who knows how long that takes. Ascend sucks with their info...all the modem info is only available on TNT AND then only when you install a specific card for diagnostic testing. Our Techs rely heavily on TotalScrutinizer so I'm not sure we can't jump ship from 3Com until the other manufacturers catch up. Which might not ever happen. We are seeing the identical connection rates between the 5400 and the 3Com box. But link timeouts and retrains seem much higher with 3Com. So I seem to like the 5400 at this point. One thing you can't do on the 5400 (you can on 53xx) is init the modems differently for a different DNIS number so limiting to v.34 for a certain phone number won't be possible without that being fixed. Brian Brian Becker President, Poplar Bluff Internet, Inc. (www.semo.net) Home of TotallyFabricated.com Software: Total Scrutinizer (www.TotalScrutinizer.com) - Tech Support Just Got Easier! WebGabber (www.WebGabber.com) - html-based Chat Software -----Original Message----- From: owner-usr-tc(a)lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-usr-tc@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Jonathan Byrne Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 10:08 PM To: usr-tc(a)lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: (usr-tc) V.92 Brian Becker (brian(a)semo.net) wrote: > We are demoing a 5400 from Cisco and I can tell you that it doesn't give > any better performance than the Total Control. We're demoing an AS5300 right now and are pretty happy with it. The only items still pending evaluation are the PIAFS code and Cisco Works, but if we don't hit a showstopper, we've probably bought our last 3Com RAS. Do you plan to put Cisco support into Total Scrutinizer, BTW? > We don't have their > CiscoWorks software so I'm not sure what it can do, but I REALLY like > TCManager for figuring out problems. TCM is a very good product, and I will certainly be comparing CiscoWorks against that standard. In fact, TCM is what we like best about 3Com gear. As you say, it's pretty good for figuring out problems (basic ones, anyway). But then, so is the debugging output in IOS :-) Cheers, Jonathan Byrne, CCNA Network Engineer - To unsubscribe to usr-tc, send an email to "majordomo(a)xmission.com" with "unsubscribe usr-tc" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. - To unsubscribe to usr-tc, send an email to "majordomo(a)xmission.com" with "unsubscribe usr-tc" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message.

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Re: (usr-tc) Need Config Help, TC NetServer w/ Quads
by eric＠dol.net 26 Mar '01

26 Mar '01

With tcm manager you tell the modem whether it should be on a pri, t1 or nic card for analog modems. I am not sure how this is done from the command prompt. I would put the console cable on the nmc and see if you can get to the switch setting from there. It is probably set for nic so the t1 card thinks it is unavailable. eric At 10:51 AM 3/26/01 -0600, Curt Shambeau wrote: > >It's been a long time since I played on a Netserver, but a couple things >come to mind. > >First off, have you tried a different chassis? It could be a problem with >the backplane on the thing. > >Also, as I remember, you have to tell the netserver which slot the modems >start in, or they default to slot 1, which is the T1 card. > >That's all that pops into my head... Hope it helps. > >----------------- > >> OK, I'm stumped on something, and I'm hoping it's something really stupid >> and simple that I overlooked. Unfortunately, I can't quite seem to find >> what it is that I overlooked. >> >> I've got a used TC Chassis, loaded with v.34 Quad Modem Cards, a dual T1 >> NIC, NetServer, and NMC. >> >> When configuring the modem-DS0 assignments in the T1 NIC, I get this for >> status after doing an "N: 1-48 to 1-48": >> >> T1 Span Line 1 DS0/Modem Status >> >> >> DS0 DS0 Modem Slot/ DS0 DS0 Modem SLOT/ >> Status Status Chan Status Status chan >> >> 1 IDLE UNAVAIL 2\1 13 IDLE IDLE 5\1 >> 2 IDLE UNAVAIL 2\2 14 IDLE IDLE 5\2 >> 3 IDLE UNAVAIL 2\3 15 IDLE IDLE 5\3 >> 4 IDLE UNAVAIL 2\4 16 IDLE IDLE 5\4 >> 5 IDLE IDLE 3\1 17 IDLE UNAVAIL 6\1 >> 6 IDLE IDLE 3\2 18 IDLE UNAVAIL 6\2 >> 7 IDLE IDLE 3\3 19 IDLE UNAVAIL 6\3 >> 8 IDLE IDLE 3\4 20 IDLE UNAVAIL 6\4 >> 9 IDLE IDLE 4\1 21 IDLE IDLE 7\1 >> 10 IDLE IDLE 4\2 22 IDLE IDLE 7\2 >> 11 IDLE IDLE 4\3 23 IDLE IDLE 7\3 >> 12 IDLE IDLE 4\4 24 IDLE IDLE 7\4 >> >> I have a quad modem cards in slots 2 and 6, but no matter what, they show >> up unavailable. I am guessing that configuration in the NetServer can >> affect this, but all modems are "on" as far as I can tell. >> >> Also, how does one get ahold of updated firmware for the v.34 modems, NMC, >> NIC, and NetServer cards and also the Total Control Manager software from >> Commworks? I'm guessing via "service contract" may be my only hope, which >> from what I read is potentially a mammoth joke. Worth >> it? Advice? (NAC/NIC running 3.2.0, NetServer running 3.2.27, and NMC >> running 4.1.3) >> >> I bought this beast used w/o software, and I'm guessing the TCM interface >> may be a little more user friendly, and maybe show me the error of my >> ways. Don't get me wrong, I'm no stranger to CLI's, just that I don't >> particularly care for USR's CLI on the total control! >> >> I'm hoping I'll be happy with this thing once I have it running, otherwise >> I have a very large and heavy door stop. >> >> Thanks for any and all help in advance. >> >> >> Brad >> >> >> - >> To unsubscribe to usr-tc, send an email to "majordomo(a)xmission.com" >> with "unsubscribe usr-tc" in the body of the message. >> For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send >> "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. >> > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- >| Curtis V. Shambeau | curt.shambeau(a)voyager.net | Sr Vice President | >| CoreComm, LTD, formerly Voyager.net and ExecPC - Wisconsin Office | >| "Those who can't laugh at themselves leave the job to others" | >------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >- > To unsubscribe to usr-tc, send an email to "majordomo(a)xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe usr-tc" in the body of the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. > - To unsubscribe to usr-tc, send an email to "majordomo(a)xmission.com" with "unsubscribe usr-tc" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message.

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(usr-tc) Need Config Help, TC NetServer w/ Quads
by Brad Gass 26 Mar '01

26 Mar '01

Hello. OK, I'm stumped on something, and I'm hoping it's something really stupid and simple that I overlooked. Unfortunately, I can't quite seem to find what it is that I overlooked. I've got a used TC Chassis, loaded with v.34 Quad Modem Cards, a dual T1 NIC, NetServer, and NMC. When configuring the modem-DS0 assignments in the T1 NIC, I get this for status after doing an "N: 1-48 to 1-48": T1 Span Line 1 DS0/Modem Status DS0 DS0 Modem Slot/ DS0 DS0 Modem SLOT/ Status Status Chan Status Status chan 1 IDLE UNAVAIL 2\1 13 IDLE IDLE 5\1 2 IDLE UNAVAIL 2\2 14 IDLE IDLE 5\2 3 IDLE UNAVAIL 2\3 15 IDLE IDLE 5\3 4 IDLE UNAVAIL 2\4 16 IDLE IDLE 5\4 5 IDLE IDLE 3\1 17 IDLE UNAVAIL 6\1 6 IDLE IDLE 3\2 18 IDLE UNAVAIL 6\2 7 IDLE IDLE 3\3 19 IDLE UNAVAIL 6\3 8 IDLE IDLE 3\4 20 IDLE UNAVAIL 6\4 9 IDLE IDLE 4\1 21 IDLE IDLE 7\1 10 IDLE IDLE 4\2 22 IDLE IDLE 7\2 11 IDLE IDLE 4\3 23 IDLE IDLE 7\3 12 IDLE IDLE 4\4 24 IDLE IDLE 7\4 I have a quad modem cards in slots 2 and 6, but no matter what, they show up unavailable. I am guessing that configuration in the NetServer can affect this, but all modems are "on" as far as I can tell. Also, how does one get ahold of updated firmware for the v.34 modems, NMC, NIC, and NetServer cards and also the Total Control Manager software from Commworks? I'm guessing via "service contract" may be my only hope, which from what I read is potentially a mammoth joke. Worth it? Advice? (NAC/NIC running 3.2.0, NetServer running 3.2.27, and NMC running 4.1.3) I bought this beast used w/o software, and I'm guessing the TCM interface may be a little more user friendly, and maybe show me the error of my ways. Don't get me wrong, I'm no stranger to CLI's, just that I don't particularly care for USR's CLI on the total control! I'm hoping I'll be happy with this thing once I have it running, otherwise I have a very large and heavy door stop. Thanks for any and all help in advance. Brad - To unsubscribe to usr-tc, send an email to "majordomo(a)xmission.com" with "unsubscribe usr-tc" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message.

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RE: (usr-tc) V.92
by Brian Becker 25 Mar '01

25 Mar '01

We are demoing a 5400 from Cisco and I can tell you that it doesn't give any better performance than the Total Control. We don't have their CiscoWorks software so I'm not sure what it can do, but I REALLY like TCManager for figuring out problems. We are about to decide to stay all 3Com but the v92 issue (or lack of issues <grin) is alarming. We'll see what the hype is at ISPCon. Brian Brian Becker President, Poplar Bluff Internet, Inc. (www.semo.net) Home of TotallyFabricated.com Software: Total Scrutinizer (www.TotalScrutinizer.com) - Tech Support Just Got Easier! WebGabber (www.WebGabber.com) - html-based Chat Software -----Original Message----- From: owner-usr-tc(a)lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-usr-tc@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Lists Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 9:38 PM To: usr-tc(a)lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: (usr-tc) V.92 > I'm not *trying* to rag on Cisco. My point was that people are all up > in arms about v.92 not being supported on the Quad modems, and are > threatening to go buy Cisco RAS gear, when Cisco is not supporting > v.92 on older equipment either. Isn't there some irony in that? I > sure think so. Our point is that if we have to spend money upgrading, we'll probably spend it on Cisco after the treatment we've had from 3COM. We stay with 3COM because it does the job and a change would be expensive. If we have to spend money... - To unsubscribe to usr-tc, send an email to "majordomo(a)xmission.com" with "unsubscribe usr-tc" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. - To unsubscribe to usr-tc, send an email to "majordomo(a)xmission.com" with "unsubscribe usr-tc" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message.

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(usr-tc) TCM 7.0.7
by Marshall Morgan 25 Mar '01

25 Mar '01

It's my assumption that 3com is not going to fix TCM 7.0.7 for Windows - after 5 months. Are we going to get a new version soon to fix the problem I mentioned the other day (and found listed in the Known Bugs section of the release pdf?) Anyone have the word on this? ref: "Eureka! It's not the NMC code - it's TCM 7.0.7! Try looking at a chassis with 6.0.23 and you will see that all 24 DS0 channels are available on CT1 trunks and 23 Timeslots when PRI trunks are there no no matter the NMC code version." Marshall Morgan Internet Doorway, Inc (aka NETDOOR) http://www.netdoor.com 601.969.1434 x28 | 800.952.1570 x28 | 601.969.3629 x28 | Fax 601.969.3838 - To unsubscribe to usr-tc, send an email to "majordomo(a)xmission.com" with "unsubscribe usr-tc" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message.

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(usr-tc) FS: AS51 (Cisco) cards
by Brian 25 Mar '01

25 Mar '01

I have some AS51 cards for Total Controls. These are the cisco router cards. $250 each. Includes NIC/NAC Brian ----------------------------------------------- Brian Feeny e:signal@shreve.net CCNP+Voice/ATM/Security p:318.222.2638x109 CCDP f:318.221.6612 Network Administrator ShreveNet Inc. (ASN 11881) - To unsubscribe to usr-tc, send an email to "majordomo(a)xmission.com" with "unsubscribe usr-tc" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message.

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RE: (usr-tc) Concurrent Logins on Hiper ARC
by Brian Becker 24 Mar '01

24 Mar '01

We do it from Radius...doing it from the Hiper Arc won't help if you have more than one POP or two hiper's at the same location. Brian Becker President, Poplar Bluff Internet, Inc. (www.semo.net) Home of TotallyFabricated.com Software: Total Scrutinizer (www.TotalScrutinizer.com) - Tech Support Just Got Easier! WebGabber (www.WebGabber.com) - html-based Chat Software -----Original Message----- From: owner-usr-tc(a)lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-usr-tc@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Timothy C. Bohen Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 1:08 PM To: usr-tc(a)lists.xmission.com Subject: (usr-tc) Concurrent Logins on Hiper ARC Is there any easy way to limit concurrent dialin sessions on a HiperArc? Thanks Timothy C. Bohen CMSInter.Net / Crystal MicroSystems =================================== web : www.cmsinter.net email : Tim(a)CMSInter.Net phone : 517.235.5100 x22 - To unsubscribe to usr-tc, send an email to "majordomo(a)xmission.com" with "unsubscribe usr-tc" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. - To unsubscribe to usr-tc, send an email to "majordomo(a)xmission.com" with "unsubscribe usr-tc" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message.

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Re: (usr-tc) V.92
by Cheryl Johnson 22 Mar '01

22 Mar '01

Thanks for the info on the date. I think the 1000 have a different midplane as opposed to the older TC Chassis? It seemed to have a totally different architecture. I thought I read that somewhere on 3com/Commworks page. I haven't looked into it too much though. -----Original Message----- From: Curt Shambeau <curt(a)execpc.com> To: USR <usr-tc(a)lists.xmission.com> Date: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 12:48 PM Subject: Re: (usr-tc) V.92 >> Well its been a while since I have been on the list. I save the >> messages and go back and read whenever possible. Seems as though some >> modem manufacturer's are supposively now selling v.92 modems. My >> question is, has anyone seen any software for the TC Chassis that >> supports the new feature? I am just looking ahead. We have had a few >> customers ask if we supported it but not to many at this point. Anyone >> heard any news on this lately? I have this strange feeling this is only >> going to be offered on the new line of TC 1000. > >If you mean it won't be offered on Quad Modem, I would guess the same. >But TC1000 is really just a new name for all the total control gear out >there. It really isn't anything new. > >As far as news from 3COM... My rep has said he thinks general release of >v92 code will be sometime June/July. > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- >| Curtis V. Shambeau | curt.shambeau(a)voyager.net | Sr Vice President | >| CoreComm, LTD, formerly Voyager.net and ExecPC - Wisconsin Office | >| "Those who can't laugh at themselves leave the job to others" | >------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >- > To unsubscribe to usr-tc, send an email to "majordomo(a)xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe usr-tc" in the body of the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. > - To unsubscribe to usr-tc, send an email to "majordomo(a)xmission.com" with "unsubscribe usr-tc" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message.

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RE: (usr-tc) V.92
by Shawn Brown 22 Mar '01

22 Mar '01

Informational Input regarding v.92 Hello, I want to update all the folks on this list regarding what is happening with Total Control and V.92 This is an email from Amit Tiwari, Director of Product Management from Commworks. -----Original Message----- From: Amit_Tiwari(a)3com.com [SMTP:Amit_Tiwari@3com.com] Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 5:05 PM To: Shawn Brown Subject: V.92 statement i) V.92 will be supported on the TC 1000 chassis. ii) V.92 will be supported via a SOFTWARE upgrade SKU on both the 24 port HDSP modem and the 96 port modem. Thanks, Amit Tiwari Director, Product Management, Enhanced Data Systems, CommWorks, a 3Com Company Thanks, Shawn Brown Founder Source Technology > -----Original Message----- > From: CJ [SMTP:netadmin@seidata.com] > Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 11:21 AM > To: usr-tc(a)lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: (usr-tc) V.92 > > Well from what I know there is an older chassis that does not have the > integrated fan tray, the newer chassis with the integrated fan tray which > I > think most ISPs that use TC are currently using from what I have read, and > then the brand new TC 1000, pretty blue tabs and fancy new architecture. > Yippee!! New equipment mean more money..... > > And yes Jeff, I would have to agree the support contracts are ridiculious. > And they probably won't get any better. > > Getting a lot of mixed ideas of if the v.92/v.44 code will be able to be > used on the 24 port DSP cards? Or will have to upgrade to the new 96 port? > Lance, above said he has tested the 96 port DSP in an older chassis. Great > for you. But haven't used this in the field. I guess, what everyone and > myself wants to know is if the 24 port DSP will be compatible for v.92, > are > the new cards *really* compatible with the now older chassis (not the TC > 1000), and when will we get the answers needed. > > The way I see it the ISPs get screwed (excuse my french) one way or > another > by the manufacturer's who supply the access equipment. They will market a > new line which will require upgrades of equipment to make more money off > the > ISPs. > > Fortunately, I use another type of access equipment for our larger > markets. > The only thing that is supposed to be required is a simple upgrade of a > flash card and new modem code. **Knock on wood**....Never assume anything. > I > am hopeful to have this up and running on this equipment by May/June. But > usually add about two to three months to the expected due date and your > usually right. Plus working out all the bugs from the initial codes. > > CJ > > -----Original Message----- > From: mark ross <mark(a)ccis.com> > To: usr-tc(a)lists.xmission.com <usr-tc(a)lists.xmission.com> > Date: Thursday, March 15, 2001 9:38 PM > Subject: Re: (usr-tc) V.92 > > > > > >Hi > >By "newer chassis" are you talking about the one with the Intergrated > >fan tray ? or is there something else thats newer now ? > > > >How may t-1's can you cram into a chassis until you start running up > >against I/O bandwidth of the packet bus ?? > > > >I am still using 4 of the old chassis with quads and netserver cards > > > >just wondering ?? > > > >see ya... > > > >Lance Eves wrote: > >> > >> Is there not anyone besides myself that has the 96 port cards? As far > as > I > >> can tell they integrate in just fine with everything else. Of course > there > >> is the code upgrade.... The newer chassis has a bigger and badder (or > is > >> that more bad) ARC and NMC, and I believe that the backplane is also > >> enhanced. I played around with it all when I got the new chassis. It > all > >> seems to play nice with one another in one of the older chassis that I > have. > >> Of course when it was all said and done, I put all the pieces back in > the > >> enhanced chassis and put it into production. I have the 96 port and > 7-24 > >> port DSP cards in the chassis and it is all working like a charm. > >> > >> Lance > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: owner-usr-tc(a)lists.xmission.com > >> > [mailto:owner-usr-tc@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Ronald Kushner > >> > Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 5:37 PM > >> > To: usr-tc(a)lists.xmission.com > >> > Subject: Re: (usr-tc) V.92 > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Dale Hege wrote: > >> > > > >> > > The really sad thing is I was told by my vendor this afternoon that > v.92 > >> > > will only be supported on the 96Port dsps. Also that the > >> > chassis with fan > >> > > tray will not support the 96Port cards you need to buy the TC1000 > >> > > Enhanced chassis. :( > >> > > >> > Sounds like someone is trying to sell you some hardware. I'll > personally > >> > drive to Chicago and burn down the 3Com building if the HiPer DSP > cards > >> > do not support V.92. > >> > > >> > -Ron > >> > > >> > - > >> > To unsubscribe to usr-tc, send an email to "majordomo(a)xmission.com" > >> > with "unsubscribe usr-tc" in the body of the message. > >> > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > >> > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. > >> > >> - > >> To unsubscribe to usr-tc, send an email to "majordomo(a)xmission.com" > >> with "unsubscribe usr-tc" in the body of the message. > >> For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > >> "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. > > > >- > > To unsubscribe to usr-tc, send an email to "majordomo(a)xmission.com" > > with "unsubscribe usr-tc" in the body of the message. > > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. > > > > > - > To unsubscribe to usr-tc, send an email to "majordomo(a)xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe usr-tc" in the body of the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. - To unsubscribe to usr-tc, send an email to "majordomo(a)xmission.com" with "unsubscribe usr-tc" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message.

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(usr-tc) TC Hubs??
by Dave Ashworth 22 Mar '01

22 Mar '01

We're using TC chassis presently as our local telco is still 33.6 POTS connections. We're looking at buying other RASs and going PRI when the telco turns up their 56k/ISDN service next week. I'm not that familiar with any other RAS products out there and would appreciate some feedback on what to look for as far as price, reliability, support and leasing. Are there any decent discussion groups to join to get better informed or can you enlighten me here? Thanks in advance! Dave Ashworth Jam21.Net Fort Frances, ON

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