[BBTC Ride_calendar] Maybe?
Yo BBTC! I have something for everyone to chew on (high fiber). About out of state rides, I think that we are all actually a lot closer to the same mindset then we might think. Take a deep breath and lets have a group hug. Now, donÂt you feel better? (Boy, am I full of crap or what!) We have a club mileage contest. This is a competition, and for all competitions we must have rules to keep it fair. But I think we are trying too hard to guard against one scenario, and in doing so, reduce the opportunities for us to explore some unique riding experiences. After all, our goal is to provide opportunities to ride together. Can you say ÂKnee jerkÂ. What the rule is intended to do, is to keep one of us from taking the winter months off, going to Bermuda, and riding 10,000 miles and claiming club credit. This wouldnÂt be fair to those like me, who are stuck with my miserable life in SLC. I also agree with what was said at the last board meeting, you shouldnÂt be able to plan a week long vacation tour of the west coast, knowing no one else could go, and put it in the ride schedule just to get mileage credit. I also canÂt schedule a ride every day that goes from my house to where I work, thatÂs silly. I think Saturday rides shouldnÂt count since I work. IÂm kidding, to make a point. The point is we all have constraints as to where, and how much we can, or want to ride. I think that the geographic state line may not be the best criteria to determine if a ride is acceptable for the ride schedule. Maybe some out of state rides should count, but only if they satisfy a certain set of guidelines. As it is now, maybe LOTOJA should count because it is in state. After all, it is UtahÂs premier bicycle event. But the upcoming Death Valley rides donÂt count, but maybe they should as many club members are going to ride together. Some club members are going to great lengths to plan this event, and provide it to members. If LOTOJA doesnÂt count, maybe Cycle Salt Lake Century shouldnÂt count either. My point is, maybe they all should count. It was pointed out to me that more BBTCrs went to do LOTOJA then did the club ride that same day. Also, we had more in Tucson then did the club ride last month. We are in the business of promoting bicycling. We should allow as many rides to count as possible, short of the absurd, like Âmy daily commute rideÂ, or ÂTour of my grandmaÂs house on thanksgivingÂ. This is my suggestion- Out of state, or event rides, or tours should count if they meet these guidelines. 1. It is listed in the ride schedule. (Obviously) 2. Because it may take more planning for clubbies to participate, it should be listed in the newsletter two months in advance. 3. Someone should step up as a designated Âride leaderÂ. Someone who can organize rendezvous points and times, help with sign up info and so forth. 4. Maybe a ride should be either a fee ride, put on by another club, or recognized by an official cycling organization like LAB, UMCA, or USCF. Not just ÂIÂve always wanted to ride around Minot, North DakotaÂ. 5. Lastly, and maybe a little far out, Maybe we could get jerseys, Âteam BBTC for members to buy so we can represent!!! Maybe ÂBBTC century / Ultra distance team or ÂBBTC ULTRA tandem teamÂ. Any excuse to buy more gear! (Yes clubbies would buy it, no cost to the club) Here is an example, our fictitious Club member ÂLance Lemond is going to ride RAGBRI. He wants to make it a club event, so he sends info about his plans, inviting everyone who is interested, to that goof ball that does the newsletter. He provides info about signup, transport, ride descriptions, and so forth to any members who e-mail or calls. Mr. Lemond lists it in the ride schedule. Our boy Lance handles the signup sheet just like a regular BBTC ride. This would provide a great opportunity for us to maybe go on a great new adventure! Maybe someone has always wanted to do that ride, but didnÂt want to go it alone. We should go, as a club to the LAB Rally, and the Tandem Rally, and so on. At one of the hikes, we even talked about planning a club adventure to Europe. Sound fun? I am glad that so many of us went to Tucson because it is one of my two favorite rides of all time. The experience was made better by sharing it with friends. I would also love to share my other favorite rides with BBTC folks as much as I look forward to going on adventures that someone else plans. Count me in, mileage credit or not. ThatÂs my two cents, no matter what, BBTC ROCKS! Group hug. Ride on! John Andrew McCool --------------------------------- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping
BBTC I have been a member 15 years plus. Presently I am the Annual White Rim Trip Ride Leader for the 9 years in a row. I have taken riders to RAGBRAI on 6 different years and rides to Solvang, CA, Las Vegas, Lake Tahoe and Slick Rock. Each ride may include 5 to 35 riders and half or more are BBTC riders. These rides have brought out of state riders to become BBTC members because of this great organization. Lets keep focus on bicycling adventure, friendship and health. McCool, I agree with your statements. Set some simple rules for tracking and ride on. Keep On Bikin¹ John Schwed on 12/14/05 2:55 PM, Andrew McCool at mccoolthecyclist@yahoo.com wrote:
Yo BBTC!
I have something for everyone to chew on (high fiber). About out of state rides, I think that we are all actually a lot closer to the same mindset then we might think. Take a deep breath and lets have a group hug. Now, don¹t you feel better? (Boy, am I full of crap or what!)
We have a club mileage contest. This is a competition, and for all competitions we must have rules to keep it fair. But I think we are trying too hard to guard against one scenario, and in doing so, reduce the opportunities for us to explore some unique riding experiences. After all, our goal is to provide opportunities to ride together. Can you say ³Knee jerk².
What the rule is intended to do, is to keep one of us from taking the winter months off, going to Bermuda, and riding 10,000 miles and claiming club credit. This wouldn¹t be fair to those like me, who are stuck with my miserable life in SLC. I also agree with what was said at the last board meeting, you shouldn¹t be able to plan a week long vacation tour of the west coast, knowing no one else could go, and put it in the ride schedule just to get mileage credit. I also can¹t schedule a ride every day that goes from my house to where I work, that¹s silly. I think Saturday rides shouldn¹t count since I work. I¹m kidding, to make a point. The point is we all have constraints as to where, and how much we can, or want to ride.
I think that the geographic state line may not be the best criteria to determine if a ride is acceptable for the ride schedule. Maybe some out of state rides should count, but only if they satisfy a certain set of guidelines. As it is now, maybe LOTOJA should count because it is in state. After all, it is Utah¹s premier bicycle event. But the upcoming Death Valley rides don¹t count, but maybe they should as many club members are going to ride together. Some club members are going to great lengths to plan this event, and provide it to members. If LOTOJA doesn¹t count, maybe Cycle Salt Lake Century shouldn¹t count either. My point is, maybe they all should count. It was pointed out to me that more BBTCrs went to do LOTOJA then did the club ride that same day. Also, we had more in Tucson then did the club ride last month. We are in the business of promoting bicycling. We should allow as many rides to count as possible, short of the absurd, like ³my daily commute ride², or ³Tour of my grandma¹s house on thanksgiving².
This is my suggestion-
Out of state, or event rides, or tours should count if they meet these guidelines.
1. It is listed in the ride schedule. (Obviously)
2. Because it may take more planning for clubbies to participate, it should be listed in the newsletter two months in advance.
3. Someone should step up as a designated ³ride leader². Someone who can organize rendezvous points and times, help with sign up info and so forth.
4. Maybe a ride should be either a fee ride, put on by another club, or recognized by an official cycling organization like LAB, UMCA, or USCF. Not just ³I¹ve always wanted to ride around Minot, North Dakota².
5. Lastly, and maybe a little far out, Maybe we could get jerseys, ³team BBTC² for members to buy so we can represent!!! Maybe ³BBTC century / Ultra distance team² or ³BBTC ULTRA tandem team². Any excuse to buy more gear! (Yes clubbies would buy it, no cost to the club)
Here is an example, our fictitious Club member ³Lance Lemond² is going to ride RAGBRI. He wants to make it a club event, so he sends info about his plans, inviting everyone who is interested, to that goof ball that does the newsletter. He provides info about signup, transport, ride descriptions, and so forth to any members who e-mail or calls. Mr. Lemond lists it in the ride schedule. Our boy Lance handles the signup sheet just like a regular BBTC ride. This would provide a great opportunity for us to maybe go on a great new adventure! Maybe someone has always wanted to do that ride, but didn¹t want to go it alone. We should go, as a club to the LAB Rally, and the Tandem Rally, and so on. At one of the hikes, we even talked about planning a club adventure to Europe. Sound fun?
I am glad that so many of us went to Tucson because it is one of my two favorite rides of all time. The experience was made better by sharing it with friends. I would also love to share my other favorite rides with BBTC folks as much as I look forward to going on adventures that someone else plans. Count me in, mileage credit or not. That¹s my two cents, no matter what, BBTC ROCKS! Group hug. Ride on!
John Andrew McCool
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Re: [BBTC Ride_calendar] Maybe?What's the rush here? Why not add an extra field to the mileage database to track both "in State" and "out of State" mileage this year--then put it to a club vote to either combine the two or track & reward separately. John LeCain ----- Original Message ----- From: John To: Andrew McCool ; ride_calendar@mailman.xmission.com Cc: president@bbtc.net ; vicepresident@bbtc.net ; roadcaptain@bbtc.net Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 5:23 PM Subject: Re: [BBTC Ride_calendar] Maybe? BBTC I have been a member 15 years plus. Presently I am the Annual White Rim Trip Ride Leader for the 9 years in a row. I have taken riders to RAGBRAI on 6 different years and rides to Solvang, CA, Las Vegas, Lake Tahoe and Slick Rock. Each ride may include 5 to 35 riders and half or more are BBTC riders. These rides have brought out of state riders to become BBTC members because of this great organization. Lets keep focus on bicycling adventure, friendship and health. McCool, I agree with your statements. Set some simple rules for tracking and ride on. Keep On Bikin' John Schwed on 12/14/05 2:55 PM, Andrew McCool at mccoolthecyclist@yahoo.com wrote: Yo BBTC! I have something for everyone to chew on (high fiber). About out of state rides, I think that we are all actually a lot closer to the same mindset then we might think. Take a deep breath and lets have a group hug. Now, don't you feel better? (Boy, am I full of crap or what!) We have a club mileage contest. This is a competition, and for all competitions we must have rules to keep it fair. But I think we are trying too hard to guard against one scenario, and in doing so, reduce the opportunities for us to explore some unique riding experiences. After all, our goal is to provide opportunities to ride together. Can you say "Knee jerk". What the rule is intended to do, is to keep one of us from taking the winter months off, going to Bermuda, and riding 10,000 miles and claiming club credit. This wouldn't be fair to those like me, who are stuck with my miserable life in SLC. I also agree with what was said at the last board meeting, you shouldn't be able to plan a week long vacation tour of the west coast, knowing no one else could go, and put it in the ride schedule just to get mileage credit. I also can't schedule a ride every day that goes from my house to where I work, that's silly. I think Saturday rides shouldn't count since I work. I'm kidding, to make a point. The point is we all have constraints as to where, and how much we can, or want to ride. I think that the geographic state line may not be the best criteria to determine if a ride is acceptable for the ride schedule. Maybe some out of state rides should count, but only if they satisfy a certain set of guidelines. As it is now, maybe LOTOJA should count because it is in state. After all, it is Utah's premier bicycle event. But the upcoming Death Valley rides don't count, but maybe they should as many club members are going to ride together. Some club members are going to great lengths to plan this event, and provide it to members. If LOTOJA doesn't count, maybe Cycle Salt Lake Century shouldn't count either. My point is, maybe they all should count. It was pointed out to me that more BBTCrs went to do LOTOJA then did the club ride that same day. Also, we had more in Tucson then did the club ride last month. We are in the business of promoting bicycling. We should allow as many rides to count as possible, short of the absurd, like "my daily commute ride", or "Tour of my grandma's house on thanksgiving". This is my suggestion- Out of state, or event rides, or tours should count if they meet these guidelines. 1. It is listed in the ride schedule. (Obviously) 2. Because it may take more planning for clubbies to participate, it should be listed in the newsletter two months in advance. 3. Someone should step up as a designated "ride leader". Someone who can organize rendezvous points and times, help with sign up info and so forth. 4. Maybe a ride should be either a fee ride, put on by another club, or recognized by an official cycling organization like LAB, UMCA, or USCF. Not just "I've always wanted to ride around Minot, North Dakota". 5. Lastly, and maybe a little far out, Maybe we could get jerseys, "team BBTC" for members to buy so we can represent!!! Maybe "BBTC century / Ultra distance team" or "BBTC ULTRA tandem team". Any excuse to buy more gear! (Yes clubbies would buy it, no cost to the club) Here is an example, our fictitious Club member "Lance Lemond" is going to ride RAGBRI. He wants to make it a club event, so he sends info about his plans, inviting everyone who is interested, to that goof ball that does the newsletter. He provides info about signup, transport, ride descriptions, and so forth to any members who e-mail or calls. Mr. Lemond lists it in the ride schedule. Our boy Lance handles the signup sheet just like a regular BBTC ride. This would provide a great opportunity for us to maybe go on a great new adventure! Maybe someone has always wanted to do that ride, but didn't want to go it alone. We should go, as a club to the LAB Rally, and the Tandem Rally, and so on. At one of the hikes, we even talked about planning a club adventure to Europe. Sound fun? I am glad that so many of us went to Tucson because it is one of my two favorite rides of all time. The experience was made better by sharing it with friends. I would also love to share my other favorite rides with BBTC folks as much as I look forward to going on adventures that someone else plans. Count me in, mileage credit or not. That's my two cents, no matter what, BBTC ROCKS! Group hug. Ride on! John Andrew McCool ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yahoo! 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McCool has my vote, but that's partly because he's so "McCool". Ryan Carter (pencil-necked redhead, rides a Seven) ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew McCool To: ride_calendar@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 2:55 PM Subject: [BBTC Ride_calendar] Maybe? Yo BBTC! I have something for everyone to chew on (high fiber). About out of state rides, I think that we are all actually a lot closer to the same mindset then we might think. Take a deep breath and lets have a group hug. Now, don't you feel better? (Boy, am I full of crap or what!) We have a club mileage contest. This is a competition, and for all competitions we must have rules to keep it fair. But I think we are trying too hard to guard against one scenario, and in doing so, reduce the opportunities for us to explore some unique riding experiences. After all, our goal is to provide opportunities to ride together. Can you say "Knee jerk". What the rule is intended to do, is to keep one of us from taking the winter months off, going to Bermuda, and riding 10,000 miles and claiming club credit. This wouldn't be fair to those like me, who are stuck with my miserable life in SLC. I also agree with what was said at the last board meeting, you shouldn't be able to plan a week long vacation tour of the west coast, knowing no one else could go, and put it in the ride schedule just to get mileage credit. I also can't schedule a ride every day that goes from my house to where I work, that's silly. I think Saturday rides shouldn't count since I work. I'm kidding, to make a point. The point is we all have constraints as to where, and how much we can, or want to ride. I think that the geographic state line may not be the best criteria to determine if a ride is acceptable for the ride schedule. Maybe some out of state rides should count, but only if they satisfy a certain set of guidelines. As it is now, maybe LOTOJA should count because it is in state. After all, it is Utah's premier bicycle event. But the upcoming Death Valley rides don't count, but maybe they should as many club members are going to ride together. Some club members are going to great lengths to plan this event, and provide it to members. If LOTOJA doesn't count, maybe Cycle Salt Lake Century shouldn't count either. My point is, maybe they all should count. It was pointed out to me that more BBTCrs went to do LOTOJA then did the club ride that same day. Also, we had more in Tucson then did the club ride last month. We are in the business of promoting bicycling. We should allow as many rides to count as possible, short of the absurd, like "my daily commute ride", or "Tour of my grandma's house on thanksgiving". This is my suggestion- Out of state, or event rides, or tours should count if they meet these guidelines. 1. It is listed in the ride schedule. (Obviously) 2. Because it may take more planning for clubbies to participate, it should be listed in the newsletter two months in advance. 3. Someone should step up as a designated "ride leader". Someone who can organize rendezvous points and times, help with sign up info and so forth. 4. Maybe a ride should be either a fee ride, put on by another club, or recognized by an official cycling organization like LAB, UMCA, or USCF. Not just "I've always wanted to ride around Minot, North Dakota". 5. Lastly, and maybe a little far out, Maybe we could get jerseys, "team BBTC" for members to buy so we can represent!!! Maybe "BBTC century / Ultra distance team" or "BBTC ULTRA tandem team". Any excuse to buy more gear! (Yes clubbies would buy it, no cost to the club) Here is an example, our fictitious Club member "Lance Lemond" is going to ride RAGBRI. He wants to make it a club event, so he sends info about his plans, inviting everyone who is interested, to that goof ball that does the newsletter. He provides info about signup, transport, ride descriptions, and so forth to any members who e-mail or calls. Mr. Lemond lists it in the ride schedule. Our boy Lance handles the signup sheet just like a regular BBTC ride. This would provide a great opportunity for us to maybe go on a great new adventure! Maybe someone has always wanted to do that ride, but didn't want to go it alone. We should go, as a club to the LAB Rally, and the Tandem Rally, and so on. At one of the hikes, we even talked about planning a club adventure to Europe. Sound fun? I am glad that so many of us went to Tucson because it is one of my two favorite rides of all time. The experience was made better by sharing it with friends. I would also love to share my other favorite rides with BBTC folks as much as I look forward to going on adventures that someone else plans. Count me in, mileage credit or not. That's my two cents, no matter what, BBTC ROCKS! Group hug. Ride on! 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