Re: What If? The salient point being missed here is not simply Sting's abilities as a musician and vocalist, but his utter brillance as a writer/composer. I doubt that ever would have gone unnoticed on a grand scale. Perhaps The Soul Cages would have been a book of poetry had he hung up the musical aspect of his talents, but it surely would have been a significant contribution in that venue. There may be rivals as singers [not in my mind] and bassists, but not in composition. Stephen S. Sayad ----- Original Message ----- From: <police-request@mailman.xmission.com> To: <police@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 5:28 AM Subject: Police digest, Vol 1 #97 - 4 msgs

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1. I don't mean to be Agressive (Andy summers) (Efrain Valles) 2. RE: 3" Japanese singles (TONI CARBO) 3. Re: What do you think... (Stingfan222@aol.com) 4. RE: What do you think... (discoduck)

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Message: 1 Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 05:39:01 -0800 (PST) From: Efrain Valles <Efrain@everclearfanatic.com> To: DtmrCls@aol.com, police@xmission.com Reply-To: Efrain@everclearfanatic.com Subject: [Police] I don't mean to be Agressive (Andy summers)

I think I understand What you are saying. about andy making "mistake= s"... and I understand much of what you say... I guess If you are a guitar = player (like myself) I think you would know some of the things that go on. = while you are playing.. but first let me birng you a cool note....

I check one of my old Magazines (GUITAR WORLD FEBRUARY 2000) and I s= ay a short note on INCUBUS guitar player Mike Einzinger... and the guy did = nothing but mention that his work on Incubus previous album "STELLAR" was v= ery much like ANDY SUMMERS . in the sence that it was Full of delay and Ech= oes... and full of atmosphere...

I MEAN THE GUITAR PLAYER OF THE HIP NEW ROCK BAND INCUBUS LOVES ANDY?= ???.... and the Article is called POLICE ACADEMY....

So with that little cool note I demonstrate that ANDY CAN PLAY.... = KNOW WAHT KIND OF MUSIC DOES HE PLAY.... He is a fusion guitar player... he= incorporates JAZZ/Rock (old school rock like 50=B4s rock) african beats, e= tc...

He is not an perfect player I know... but he is just about the best= line player there is... he can play a scale to fit a chord... he can be fl= exible enough to mix (a please do try to get my metaphore) Milk with lemon = and still make it taste sweet and sour... that's Andy summers... If you wan= ted to see "robot-perfect" guitar players You might want to check out JOE S= ATRIANI or STEVE VAI or better the robot it self BUCKETHEAD (Tht buckethead= is Nuts)... they are all great players and they won't miss a note they won= 't be out of tune... great solos... I admire them I play "summer song" or "= snatch boogie" in my car and I just Hit the pedal... and I feel like I have= a ferrari... but andy summers is like listening to a MORE SOULFUL KIND OF = STUFF.. AND I INVITE YOU TO LISTEN TO ANDY's "A PIECE OF TIME" (a great son= g to demonstrate the Milk and Lemon metaphore)...=20

to wrap this long and ridiculous email.. I have to say that Andy sum= mers does Improv 98% of his live shows... so what you saw maybe was andy ju= st chillin' and having a nice time and NOT WORKING :)... and besides who wa= nts to listen to something that sounds exactly the same as the album... If = andy made a mistake.. well at least you know he is playing NOT LIKE N'SYNC = or BRITNEY SPEARS... ROLL PLAYBACKkkkkkk...

On last note... watch The Hot Licks Viedo on Andy Summers and Then We= Talk...

I didn't mean to sound Agressive But I have to fen= d for My IDOL... LIKE I WOULD...

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Message: 2 From: "TONI CARBO" <tonicarbo@teleline.es> To: "Juan Manuel Santiago" <asvaro.3079@cajarural.com>, "Sting" <police@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: RE: [Police] 3" Japanese singles Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 18:41:37 +0100

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There also the promo copies of all of these cds, including the other = ones mentioned by my good friend Darren from England!!.

Best

TONI CARBO P.O.BOX 14282 08080 BARCELONA CATALONIA SPAIN TONICARBO@TELELINE.ES TONICARBO@teleline.es ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Juan Manuel Santiago=20 To: Sting=20 Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 10:08 AM Subject: [Police] 3" Japanese singles

Hi everybody: I've just received a couple of Japanese 3" CD singles = into long snappacks and I must admit they're fantastic. So I'd like to = know how many of this items there're. I've seen many websites looking = for the information (of course Fabien's Out of Print and Tom Rose's = website) and I've found at the moment the following items (although I = don't have them all): =20 -Englishman in NY. -Fragile. -They dance alone. -All this time. -Why should I cry for you? -It's probably me. -If I ever lose my faith in you. -Fields of Gold. -Nothing'bout me. -Demolition man. -When we dance. -This cowboy song. -Let your soul be your pilot. =20 I'd appreciate information about where can I get this items (apart = from EBAY) and if there're more items not listed above.=20 Thanks. Juanma. =20

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Message: 3 From: Stingfan222@aol.com Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 16:23:28 EST Subject: Re: [Police] What do you think... To: SOMEDUDE20@aol.com, police@xmission.com

You know, there are so many factors that play into this besides his obvious talent. If he had not been with the Police, maybe he would still be married to Frances, he may have been perfectly happy doing the nightclub thing and being a family man. Maybe Trudie has been a driving force with his solo work ... there are so many what ifs.

Speaking of Trudie, I just watched Fair Game which she starred in. Bizarre little flick, but kind of fun to see something she's done besides the Grotesque with the Stingmeister.

Back to the "what ifs." While he has his own distinct voice and compositional talent, would he have been "discovered"? Did the Police (and the adoration that came with it) negate that shyness and give him the thirst for more adoration? If I hadn't have been taken by the Police decades ago, would I be as avid a Sting fan if he were to come into my life as a soloist in 1979? Probably not. As a young teenager I needed the Police, not a soloist playing fairly mellow songs. If he had achieved the same amount of fame, I'm sure his fan base would be a good 15 years older on the average! Just my thoughts. I'll do anything to avoid football today! Is that sacrilegious of me being in Massachusetts and having no interest in the Superbowl besides U2 at half-time?

Michelle

In a message dated 2/2/02 8:01:26 PM, SOMEDUDE20@aol.com writes:

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article a few years ago where Stew said that Andy should have gotten credit

for his riff in "Every Breath" but in the end it was Sting. SO, would Sting

be as famous, and what would his songs have (had) sounded like without the Police. Food for thought. PS in Wild Thing Ian said that Sting was very shy, would he have beaten that without the Police?

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Message: 4 Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 14:08:16 -0800 From: discoduck <discoduck@shaw.ca> Subject: RE: [Police] What do you think... To: Claudio De Marco <cdemarco@sion.com>, police@mailman.xmission.com

I agree. Sting's talent could have very well gone on unrecognised if it wasn't for the Police. I wouldn't be surprised if there are other artists out there that possibly may even be better than Sting, but we'll NEVER ever know that they even existed.

Ross -----Original Message----- From: police-admin@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:police-admin@mailman.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Claudio De Marco Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 6:00 PM To: police@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: [Police] What do you think...

I have to say, that The Police as a band, helped Sting a lot. I don't think he would have been that famous now without Stewart, who "picked up" Sting in a bar playing bass... Stewart deserves a lot more of respect from Sting, and he owes to the fans a Police Goodbye Show! We know for sure that Stew and Andy are ready for the tour.

Claudio De Marco cdemarco@sion.com claudiodmn@yahoo.com ----- Original Message ----- From: <SOMEDUDE20@aol.com> To: <police@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 10:00 PM Subject: [Police] What do you think...

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Since the list has been slow for the last few weeks, except for the Andy thing; I have been reading Wild Thing and it has made me of this question. If Sting had not joined the Police, would he still have become famous. I love most of Stings solo albums and he is very talented, but would he be as big as he is now without the Police. When the Police began, punk was in, however, much of Stings solo stuff is far from that. He doesn't really do songs today that sound like the Police (except for the drumming) If Sting did get singed as a solo artist back in the 70's, what would have his songs sounded like? There is no doubt that Stew and Andy help Sting get his sound. I read an article a few years ago where Stew said that Andy should have gotten credit for his riff in "Every Breath" but in the end it was Sting. SO, would Sting be as famous, and what would his songs have (had) sounded like without the Police. Food for thought. PS in Wild Thing Ian said that Sting was very shy, would he have beaten that without the Police?

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