Amazing that people complain about Sting charging top price of $90 at most venues for an intimate show, less than 6000 seats where everyone has a great view, when talentless people are charging 5 times as much at venues seating 10 times the size of these Sting shows.
I am so proud of Sting for allowing a full spectrum of audience members to attend his shows, you can buy a ticket for $40 in Miami, Sting is selling himself short this tour. The man is way too talented to be selling shows this cheap but it sucks that fans still complain.
Why not try buying a Michael Jackson or $2000 Barbara Steisand ticket?
Sheeesh!
Trini
Brian Jacob <bjacob@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
Jeremy,
As I originally stated, you're an apologist. And you're terrible at it.
You tactfully ignored the point of my message. Perhaps you should read it
again:
http://mailman.xmission.com/pipermail/police/2003-November/003840.html
Otherwise, here's a quick summary:
a. Sting's tickets are overpriced.
b. People with valid criticism are not "whiners".
c. You are unfair in dismissing them as such.
Yes, this is a Sting/Police list. That doesn't mean it has to be a Sting
love-fest. People have valid complaints about the "Sacred Love era". It
WAS a pain for many people to spend extra for bonus tracks. And no, not
everybody has your extensive knowledge into how the record labels work and
why there were different versions of the release. So cut them some slack
unless you can explain it patiently to them. And if they still
feel
cheated, it wouldn't kill you to respect that.
Not everybody had the time/money like you to fly to Japan just to get the
new CD on the day of release, either. Ahem.
Yes, people have issues with Kipper. Some would argue (myself included)
that his influence on Sting's music has diminished the qualities that drew
us to it in the first place. Some (myself included) would just say that he
sucks.
But this isn't about Kipper. This isn't about the Sacred Love tracklisting.
This is originally about an overpriced ticket scheme and long-time Sting
*fans* feeling upset about that. We're here because we love Sting and his
music. People have every right to complain if they feel disappointed.
Nobody signs up to a fanlist JUST to complain. What people say -positve or
negative- is valid, especially if they can elaborate on their points.
I personally didn't care about the location of the fanclub shows. I was
annoyed at the fanclub's
shadiness of "ticket allotments". They played on
the anxiousness of the fans to get tickets, made it look like they were all
gone to ARTIFICIALLY increase demand, then made it look like you could still
get in by participating in a bogus "auction" (and made extra $$$ in the
process). Didn't extra tickets suddenly turn up elsewhere? I think any
"mocking" that happened there was well and truly earned.
And I'm sorry that all of this perturbs your sensitive ears. Maybe after 50
nearly identical BND shows, you can't take the noise so well.
Yeah, I'm irritated that the new show is so expensive. I've seen huge,
elaborate theater productions for a fraction of the cost (yes, even TOURING
productions). You still haven't justified the price structure. I don't know
if you can. Instead, you pick on other lesser points that had nothing to do
with my original message.
And even though I'm a massive Sting fan, it's just not worth being
taken
advantage of financially. I'm the first to support live music, but $165
PLUS "service charges" is comical. I love Sting, but I suppose I've more
important financial priorities these days...buying a home, starting a
family. It's part of an exciting new concept called "getting a life".
Brian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy (cheeky)"
To: ;
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 7:19 PM
Subject: Re: "A list full of whiners"???
> Brian,
> If you are way beyond offended by my comments, then you take
things
> a little too seriously for your own good. My comments are based on the
last
> 10 years on this list. Just looking at the Sacred Love era we have seen
> complaints about the album, about the tracks released in what countries,
it
> then progressed into a character assassination of Kipper. Then as
the
promo
> shows were announced there were screams of unfair over each show that was
> announced. Let's go one by one....
>
> 1. Paris was announced, and the Americans in general were complaining that
> the Europeans "always" get the good shows while the Americans get shafted,
> then there was an almost mockery of the fan club because they seemed to
have
> more tickets than some of you expected them to have. Jokes abound about
"so
> called exclusive" fanclub bollocks. People then complained that they
rushed
> out to buy these tickets because they thought they were exclusive to find
> out that a few weeks later they were still available. Then people
proceeded
> to to complain that the 60 dollars for the tickets was too much. Stings
> opening shows on the BND tour were face value 250, 275 and 300 dollars.
>
> 2. Hammerstein, New York was announced and the people on the west
coast
> started to complain that New York gets all the good shows and the West
Coast
> gets fuck all. Then people complained when the allocation was sold out in
> one day, they complained that the fan club should have had more tickets,
yet
> when they had more (as in Paris) you mocked them.
>
> 3. Tour dates get announced, and the ticket prices in general were around
60
> dollars-90 dollars across the board (excluding New York) and you are all
> complaining again. Please note that these prices are less than the BND
tour
> was when he did the jaunt through the small venues at the beginning of the
> tour. There is no point comparing the early show prices to the arena show
> prices, as when he comes through the 2nd time, the tickets will be lower
as
> they were the last tour. As I went to over 50 shows on the BND tour, I can
> assure you that this is the case. Just take the opening weeks of the
BND
> tour. We had 3 shows in Vegas, the first two were almost 300 per show and
> the 3rd show was 300 dollars. The LA shows followed at roughly 250-265 per
> show for the 4 nights. These are far more expensive than the current
shows.
>
> 4. Comparing the prices that Andy (who?) and Stewart (who?) charge is
> ludicrous, they are totally unknown to everyone other than the old Police
> fans and a small smattering of faithfuls. I love them both, but their
> marketability is zero compared to stings, therefore compare stings ticket
> prices to The Eagles, or Paul McCartney and you'll see his prices are far
> less than his peers.
>
> This list has its share of complainers, but I can't understand why they
> bother to sit on this list year after year claiming that they hate the
> albums, hate the tours, wont buy another cd etc, yet linger around.
>
> Next we'll be complaining that Sting
doesn't play Buttplug, Indiana on
this
> tour and how he is letting down his faithful 3 fans there.
>
> Jeremy
>
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