thought id post this for the other orbsters out there that ever find themselves stuck in on a satuarday night like me tonight and have nothing much to do! its just a bit of fun , a way listen to your orb recordings from another angle as it were - try phase canceling a stereo signal (my favorite audio effect)- any orb record will do - and youll find loads of intresting sounds hidden away in the background , for those interested in sampling - on certain tracks,individual sounds are seperated and you can nik them for your own music - im listening to fluffy clouds at the mome and the guitar is left on its own with a very slight amount of hi hat,everything else is removed- cool ay!! 2 ways to do it - both work very well - expensive way (easy way) some mixers have the option of phase reversing --pan both left and right of a stereo recording to one side,or centre (just aslong as they are at the same position)and flip the phase on either left or right,also make sure both levels on left and right are coming in at the exact same level ! you can add a slight reverb to make it sound more spacious ! a cheaper way : (but a little tricky) is to get your twin phono cable from the back of your cd player-> amp - cut it in half(arrg i hear you cry) - cut back the 'black' outer plasic from both the ends so you have a white(left) ,red(right) and eath (copper wire) -then cut back the plastic from the red and white cables on both ends -connect (by twisting the wires) the red of the cd end to the earth of the amp end, and the white of the cd end to the white(or red ) of the amp end as below : ___________white--------------white LEFT phono-------------------earth amplfier cd ___________red---------------- earth RIGHT phono------------------ earth this setup will make the signal come out of one speaker but its a mono signal anyway!(you can twist both the red an white on the amp end so it comes out both speakers) youll hear stuff you never knew was there ! for those that dont know its called phase cancelation it takes away (cancels) all that is pan'd in the middle of the mix-(when both left and right are at the same level) ie bass - drums vocals! - which are normaly paned central for example in molten love it totaly takes away the the filterd bongo drum (exept for the delay fx here n there) true the best sound out of that track but your left with strings,hihat and fx not the way the engineers intended you to hear their mix but its alot of fun to try .. plus you can always twist the wires back as they were - no harm done ! happy listenin john
Boy you must be bored... Yeah well I know how ya feel sometimes Or you could buy 'electric counterpoint' by steve reich (which everybody should have anyway) and sample the end guitar part and turn it into 4/4 by repeating the last 3/4 beat and there you have it! The original fluffy clouds sample! O yeah and then you should go and buy all of steve reich's work ever... ------------------------------------------------------- back to the mission..... kdx: justablip.dyndns.org ( www.haxial.com ) mail: mail@justablip.net search:: www.justablip.co.uk/search/search.htm any points expressed here are purely only the authors opinions whether they are right or not is completely relative usually they are though... -----Original Message----- From: orb-admin@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:orb-admin@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of john bennett Sent: 29 December 2002 01:25 To: orb@mailman.xmission.com Subject: [Orb] new orb perspective thought id post this for the other orbsters out there that ever find themselves stuck in on a satuarday night like me tonight and have nothing much to do! its just a bit of fun , a way listen to your orb recordings from another angle as it were - try phase canceling a stereo signal (my favorite audio effect)- any orb record will do - and youll find loads of intresting sounds hidden away in the background , for those interested in sampling - on certain tracks,individual sounds are seperated and you can nik them for your own music - im listening to fluffy clouds at the mome and the guitar is left on its own with a very slight amount of hi hat,everything else is removed- cool ay!! 2 ways to do it - both work very well - expensive way (easy way) some mixers have the option of phase reversing --pan both left and right of a stereo recording to one side,or centre (just aslong as they are at the same position)and flip the phase on either left or right,also make sure both levels on left and right are coming in at the exact same level ! you can add a slight reverb to make it sound more spacious ! a cheaper way : (but a little tricky) is to get your twin phono cable from the back of your cd player-> amp - cut it in half(arrg i hear you cry) - cut back the 'black' outer plasic from both the ends so you have a white(left) ,red(right) and eath (copper wire) -then cut back the plastic from the red and white cables on both ends -connect (by twisting the wires) the red of the cd end to the earth of the amp end, and the white of the cd end to the white(or red ) of the amp end as below : ___________white--------------white LEFT phono-------------------earth amplfier cd ___________red---------------- earth RIGHT phono------------------ earth this setup will make the signal come out of one speaker but its a mono signal anyway!(you can twist both the red an white on the amp end so it comes out both speakers) youll hear stuff you never knew was there ! for those that dont know its called phase cancelation it takes away (cancels) all that is pan'd in the middle of the mix-(when both left and right are at the same level) ie bass - drums vocals! - which are normaly paned central for example in molten love it totaly takes away the the filterd bongo drum (exept for the delay fx here n there) true the best sound out of that track but your left with strings,hihat and fx not the way the engineers intended you to hear their mix but its alot of fun to try .. plus you can always twist the wires back as they were - no harm done ! happy listenin john _______________________________________________ Orb mailing list Orb@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/orb
Too much time on your hands....I guess it would be an interesting thing to do, but WHY?? I have been gone for about 14 days and out of the loop on this thread. Sorry, so late. Who thought of doing this anyway? I put a new case and power supply in my Workstation and I am now up and running. RMStringer " You Have No Conscience And IT Seems You Never Will" Nothing Stays - Cyberaktif -----Original Message----- From: orb-admin@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:orb-admin@mailman.xmission.com]On Behalf Of unable to connect to port 23 Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 9:29 PM To: orb@mailman.xmission.com Subject: RE: [Orb] new orb perspective Boy you must be bored... Yeah well I know how ya feel sometimes Or you could buy 'electric counterpoint' by steve reich (which everybody should have anyway) and sample the end guitar part and turn it into 4/4 by repeating the last 3/4 beat and there you have it! The original fluffy clouds sample! O yeah and then you should go and buy all of steve reich's work ever... ------------------------------------------------------- back to the mission..... kdx: justablip.dyndns.org ( www.haxial.com ) mail: mail@justablip.net search:: www.justablip.co.uk/search/search.htm any points expressed here are purely only the authors opinions whether they are right or not is completely relative usually they are though... -----Original Message----- From: orb-admin@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:orb-admin@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of john bennett Sent: 29 December 2002 01:25 To: orb@mailman.xmission.com Subject: [Orb] new orb perspective thought id post this for the other orbsters out there that ever find themselves stuck in on a satuarday night like me tonight and have nothing much to do! its just a bit of fun , a way listen to your orb recordings from another angle as it were - try phase canceling a stereo signal (my favorite audio effect)- any orb record will do - and youll find loads of intresting sounds hidden away in the background , for those interested in sampling - on certain tracks,individual sounds are seperated and you can nik them for your own music - im listening to fluffy clouds at the mome and the guitar is left on its own with a very slight amount of hi hat,everything else is removed- cool ay!! 2 ways to do it - both work very well - expensive way (easy way) some mixers have the option of phase reversing --pan both left and right of a stereo recording to one side,or centre (just aslong as they are at the same position)and flip the phase on either left or right,also make sure both levels on left and right are coming in at the exact same level ! you can add a slight reverb to make it sound more spacious ! a cheaper way : (but a little tricky) is to get your twin phono cable from the back of your cd player-> amp - cut it in half(arrg i hear you cry) - cut back the 'black' outer plasic from both the ends so you have a white(left) ,red(right) and eath (copper wire) -then cut back the plastic from the red and white cables on both ends -connect (by twisting the wires) the red of the cd end to the earth of the amp end, and the white of the cd end to the white(or red ) of the amp end as below : ___________white--------------white LEFT phono-------------------earth amplfier cd ___________red---------------- earth RIGHT phono------------------ earth this setup will make the signal come out of one speaker but its a mono signal anyway!(you can twist both the red an white on the amp end so it comes out both speakers) youll hear stuff you never knew was there ! for those that dont know its called phase cancelation it takes away (cancels) all that is pan'd in the middle of the mix-(when both left and right are at the same level) ie bass - drums vocals! - which are normaly paned central for example in molten love it totaly takes away the the filterd bongo drum (exept for the delay fx here n there) true the best sound out of that track but your left with strings,hihat and fx not the way the engineers intended you to hear their mix but its alot of fun to try .. plus you can always twist the wires back as they were - no harm done ! happy listenin john _______________________________________________ Orb mailing list Orb@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/orb _______________________________________________ Orb mailing list Orb@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/orb
just an idea for people interested in sound/audio engineering ect.. you can use it for a cheap home made surround sound system too. normal stereo at the front - and a phased canceled L,R for the rear also you could insert a stereo fx module at the rear to give a bit of spread- and you can have hours of fun ! espesh with music like orb fsol ect... thing that gets me is .... what happens to the signal thats canceled? converted to heat ? or does it get sent into an alternative dimention? you cant distroy energy only convert , right?! john Birmingham ----- Original Message ----- From: "DjRenigade" <DJRenigade@netnitco.net> To: <orb@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 11:30 PM Subject: RE: [Orb] new orb perspective
Too much time on your hands....I guess it would be an interesting thing to do, but WHY?? I have been gone for about 14 days and out of the loop on this thread. Sorry, so late. Who thought of doing this anyway? I put a new case and power supply in my Workstation and I am now up and running.
RMStringer " You Have No Conscience And IT Seems You Never Will" Nothing Stays - Cyberaktif
-----Original Message----- From: orb-admin@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:orb-admin@mailman.xmission.com]On Behalf Of unable to connect to port 23 Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 9:29 PM To: orb@mailman.xmission.com Subject: RE: [Orb] new orb perspective
Boy you must be bored... Yeah well I know how ya feel sometimes Or you could buy 'electric counterpoint' by steve reich (which everybody should have anyway) and sample the end guitar part and turn it into 4/4 by repeating the last 3/4 beat and there you have it! The original fluffy clouds sample! O yeah and then you should go and buy all of steve reich's work ever...
------------------------------------------------------- back to the mission..... kdx: justablip.dyndns.org ( www.haxial.com ) mail: mail@justablip.net search:: www.justablip.co.uk/search/search.htm
any points expressed here are purely only the authors opinions whether they are right or not is completely relative usually they are though...
-----Original Message----- From: orb-admin@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:orb-admin@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of john bennett Sent: 29 December 2002 01:25 To: orb@mailman.xmission.com Subject: [Orb] new orb perspective
thought id post this for the other orbsters out there that ever find themselves stuck in on a satuarday night like me tonight and have nothing much to do!
its just a bit of fun , a way listen to your orb recordings from another angle as it were - try phase canceling a stereo signal (my favorite audio effect)- any orb record will do - and youll find loads of intresting sounds hidden away in the background , for those interested in sampling - on certain tracks,individual sounds are seperated and you can nik them for your own music - im listening to fluffy clouds at the mome and the guitar is left on its own with a very slight amount of hi hat,everything else is removed- cool ay!!
2 ways to do it - both work very well -
expensive way (easy way)
some mixers have the option of phase reversing --pan both left and right of a stereo recording to one side,or centre (just aslong as they are at the same position)and flip the phase on either left or right,also make sure both levels on left and right are coming in at the exact same level ! you can add a slight reverb to make it sound more spacious !
a cheaper way : (but a little tricky)
is to get your twin phono cable from the back of your cd player-> amp - cut it in half(arrg i hear you cry) - cut back the 'black' outer plasic from both the ends so you have a white(left) ,red(right) and eath (copper wire) -then cut back the plastic from the red and white cables on both ends -connect (by twisting the wires) the red of the cd end to the earth of the amp end, and the white of the cd end to the white(or red ) of the amp end as below :
___________white--------------white LEFT phono-------------------earth amplfier cd ___________red---------------- earth RIGHT phono------------------ earth
this setup will make the signal come out of one speaker but its a mono signal anyway!(you can twist both the red an white on the amp end so it comes out both speakers)
youll hear stuff you never knew was there ! for those that dont know its called phase cancelation it takes away (cancels) all that is pan'd in the middle of the mix-(when both left and right are at the same level) ie bass - drums vocals! - which are normaly paned central
for example in molten love it totaly takes away the the filterd bongo drum (exept for the delay fx here n there) true the best sound out of that track but your left with strings,hihat and fx
not the way the engineers intended you to hear their mix but its alot of fun to try .. plus you can always twist the wires back as they were - no harm done !
happy listenin
john
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fantastic~ now *this* is enlightening
its just a bit of fun , a way listen to your orb recordings from another angle as it were - try phase canceling a stereo signal (my favorite audio effect)- any orb record will do - and youll find loads of intresting sounds hidden away in the background ,
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I put it down to bad engineering meself Didnt check the mono mix?!?! Or were they doing it on purpose? Check ffwd for that theres loads of phase mucking about on that It was designed to make you feel sick! But a by product of that and the surround mix Means any phase cancelling on that should bring out some weird panning stuff Should be loads of things appearing and disappearing if im right.... ------------------------------------------------------- back to the mission..... kdx: justablip.dyndns.org ( www.haxial.com ) mail: mail@justablip.net search:: www.justablip.co.uk/search/search.htm any points expressed here are purely only the authors opinions whether they are right or not is completely relative usually they are though... -----Original Message----- From: orb-admin@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:orb-admin@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of elliott Sent: 29 December 2002 04:02 To: orb@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: [Orb] new orb perspective fantastic~ now *this* is enlightening
its just a bit of fun , a way listen to your orb recordings from another angle as it were - try phase canceling a stereo signal (my favorite audio effect)- any orb record will do - and youll find loads of intresting sounds hidden away in the background ,
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