PJK: Those mixes are very very rough just now. There's most of an album lying about in worse shape. Thanks for your notes. "O America" is kind of a joke song. I was shooting a little more for John Cougar Mellencamp as opposed to Styx (Oh Mama I'm in fear for my life from the long arm of the laaaaaaaw!). This album is mostly vocal tracks with some interludes thrown in. I needed to get it out of my system for a few more years. Now I'm saving up for a new computer so I can start using Ableton Live! and Reason and Absynth and stuff. Tim C: Go back and read the archives from the last time Kwissy stopped by for a few months. He's being extremely nice right now, trust me. He hasn't even called me a useless twat yet. Kris: The whole world knows Palestine is the driving force behind fundamentalist muslim terrorism. Except for us. The rest of the world also recognizes Bush as a dangerous, stupid little fucker as do about half of us. Remember, the Nazi party gained power with a weak majority as well and the same nationalistic rhetoric we hear from DC these days (except for the stuff about Jews... they talk about that stuff privately). We now have more of our population in prison (as a percentage) than Germany ever had, even if you include the millions that perished in the prison camps. We have five times more of our population in prison than Stalinist USSR (slightly less than five times if you include those that died in the purges), seven times (that's close though I'm not positive I'm right)than South Africa at the height of Apartheid, and we have almost ten times more of our people in prison than Europe does. That's just frightening, don't you think? ____________________ www.psychicreform.com ____________________ "Political criticism is our enemies' best friend." Bernard Kerik incoming Director of Homeland Security, New York Newsday, 10/20/2003 "Let no one mention the questionableness of a military success against France!" - Hitler - Mein Kampf
how about a topic about the apartheid system in israel the fence around the palestinians etc.. i would say apartheid in south africa was actually nicer to the people they were discriminating against cos in the batustans or whatever they were called they actually let the people govern themselves and didnt send in army to massacre them or use the sad ideological warfare phrase 'collective punishment' which means destroying peoples homes in the middle of the night... __ kwis )) (( c[_] scuse the epenthesis *****************************
Kris: The whole world knows Palestine is the driving force behind fundamentalist muslim terrorism. Except for us. The rest of the world also recognizes Bush as a dangerous, stupid little fucker as do about half of us.
Corporate entities and their interests are the real support structure of 'terrorism'---which is actually a distractive measure for the sneaky cunts to tighten the threads of control. They support the Bushes of the world.
Remember, the Nazi party gained power with a weak majority as well
Again, secretly supported by these same outside investors.
That's just frightening, don't you think?
Terror-fying. np: 'Akufen's Morning Dump in the BUSH of God'
Tim C: Go back and read the archives from the last time Kwissy stopped by for a few months. He's being extremely nice right now, trust me. He hasn't even called me a useless twat yet.
I don't care if he's nice to me or not. He should just consider it a good thing he already got all the money he can get out of me if that's how he's going to treat his customers.
Kris: The whole world knows Palestine is the driving force behind fundamentalist muslim terrorism.
Except for that part of the world that knows that it's Islam that's behind fundamentalist muslim terrorism.
Except for us. The rest of the world also recognizes Bush as a dangerous, stupid little fucker as do about half of us.
And those who have initiated terror attacks aren't? Bush is dangerous for defending YOU against them??? Fuck man, you're even stupider than your previous posts let on.
privately). We now have more of our population in prison (as a percentage) than Germany ever had,
This is, admittedly, one of the things Bush (and Clinton, who was also responsible for rampant drug war expansion) and the rest have done to this great country, and it is very sad. Like I said initially, Atlas WILL shrug, eventually.
even if you include the millions that perished in the prison camps. We have five times more of our population in prison than Stalinist USSR (slightly less than five times if you include those that died in the purges), seven times (that's close though I'm not positive I'm right)than South Africa at the height of Apartheid, and we have almost ten times more of our people in prison than Europe does. That's just frightening, don't you think?
However (continuing my comments from above), it's pretty god-damn asinine to equate putting a lot of people in jail for non-crimes with rounding up vast numbers of the population and summarily KILLING THEM. Jesus. T
I agree it's ridiculous, the number of people the US has imprisoned. Imprisoning people for crimes against themselves is wholly pathetic. We as a country don't have the resources (read: tax dollars) to house, feed, and clothe these people who have done nothing to anyone but themselves. I agree the judicial system in the US is corrupt. The war on drugs has been a vast black hole for resources, an abysmal failure all around. However, I do also agree with Tim, that comparing jailing to execution is, in my opinion, quite a far stretch. We do have too many people in jail in this country, but we're generally civil about it. Executing large numbers of people for their political, social, or religious beliefs is sickening. On 12/8/04 5:58 PM, "Tim C" <timc_orb@charter.net> wrote:
even if you include the millions that perished in the prison camps. We have five times more of our population in prison than Stalinist USSR (slightly less than five times if you include those that died in the purges), seven times (that's close though I'm not positive I'm right)than South Africa at the height of Apartheid, and we have almost ten times more of our people in prison than Europe does. That's just frightening, don't you think?
However (continuing my comments from above), it's pretty god-damn asinine to equate putting a lot of people in jail for non-crimes with rounding up vast numbers of the population and summarily KILLING THEM. Jesus.
Oh boy, here I go... Somebody should stop me.
However, I do also agree with Tim, that comparing jailing to execution is, in my opinion, quite a far stretch. We do have too many people in jail in this country, but we're generally civil about it.
Just Hope you don't get jailed in Texas. Bush supports that women should not have control over their own bodies. After all, what's more fun - preventing an unwanted pregnancy, or allowing them to grow old so he can fry them in the electric chair?
Executing large numbers of people for their political, social, or religious beliefs is sickening.
All they need to do is label you an enemy combatant, and they can lock you up, deny you your rights, and never have to release you because they determined that you are a threat. Just as sickening to me. Texas leads the naton in executions. I don't know what's worse, that 9 of Bush's 15 secretaries resigning, or him replacing them with more conservative representatives sharing his ideology. He now has tied Nixon for the record of cabinet resignations. How fitting that the president can be compared to the Nixon administration Even though I don't support Kerry, I wanna say "Wazzup" to the blue states!!! Keep it real. I'm curious to see just how much more divided the USA will be in 4 years than it is now. Gavin __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? http://my.yahoo.com
GO ON GAVINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!! WHOooooooooo!! __ kwis )) (( c[_] scuse the epenthesis ***************************** On 10 Dec 2004, at 01:07, Gavin Miller wrote: Oh boy, here I go... Somebody should stop me.
However, I do also agree with Tim, that comparing jailing to execution is, in my opinion, quite a far stretch. We do have too many people in jail in this country, but we're generally civil about it.
Just Hope you don't get jailed in Texas. Bush supports that women should not have control over their own bodies. After all, what's more fun - preventing an unwanted pregnancy, or allowing them to grow old so he can fry them in the electric chair?
Executing large numbers of people for their political, social, or religious beliefs is sickening.
All they need to do is label you an enemy combatant, and they can lock you up, deny you your rights, and never have to release you because they determined that you are a threat. Just as sickening to me. Texas leads the naton in executions. I don't know what's worse, that 9 of Bush's 15 secretaries resigning, or him replacing them with more conservative representatives sharing his ideology. He now has tied Nixon for the record of cabinet resignations. How fitting that the president can be compared to the Nixon administration Even though I don't support Kerry, I wanna say "Wazzup" to the blue states!!! Keep it real. I'm curious to see just how much more divided the USA will be in 4 years than it is now. Gavin __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? http://my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Orb mailing list Orb@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/orb Report list abuse to list-abuse at studio-nibble.com
I am from Texas and I say fry those pieces of shit on DEATH ROW taking up tax dollars sitting there for 15-20 some 30 fucking years. Fuck that. That is TOO fucking long to waste my dollars on appeal after appeal after appeal....YADDA YADDA YADDA and so on and so forth. The should all fry. If they cant get of after 5 years, then fry the fuckers. An eye for an eye... RMStringer ========================================== Seek not every quality in one individual: *Confucius* -----Original Message----- From: orb-bounces+rmstringer1971=comcast.net@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:orb-bounces+rmstringer1971=comcast.net@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Kris Weston Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 8:51 PM To: What were the skies like when you were young? Subject: Re: [Orb] (warning) political rant enclosed.. GO ON GAVINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!! WHOooooooooo!! __ kwis )) (( c[_] scuse the epenthesis ***************************** On 10 Dec 2004, at 01:07, Gavin Miller wrote: Oh boy, here I go... Somebody should stop me.
However, I do also agree with Tim, that comparing jailing to execution is, in my opinion, quite a far stretch. We do have too many people in jail in this country, but we're generally civil about it.
Just Hope you don't get jailed in Texas. Bush supports that women should not have control over their own bodies. After all, what's more fun - preventing an unwanted pregnancy, or allowing them to grow old so he can fry them in the electric chair?
Executing large numbers of people for their political, social, or religious beliefs is sickening.
All they need to do is label you an enemy combatant, and they can lock you up, deny you your rights, and never have to release you because they determined that you are a threat. Just as sickening to me. Texas leads the naton in executions. I don't know what's worse, that 9 of Bush's 15 secretaries resigning, or him replacing them with more conservative representatives sharing his ideology. He now has tied Nixon for the record of cabinet resignations. How fitting that the president can be compared to the Nixon administration Even though I don't support Kerry, I wanna say "Wazzup" to the blue states!!! Keep it real. I'm curious to see just how much more divided the USA will be in 4 years than it is now. Gavin __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? http://my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Orb mailing list Orb@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/orb Report list abuse to list-abuse at studio-nibble.com _______________________________________________ Orb mailing list Orb@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/orb Report list abuse to list-abuse at studio-nibble.com
ooOOOOO bit of hand waving going on there... ministry of silly walks came to mind for some reason... mebbe the answer is that prison is not the right way... we will evolve beyond it soon hopefully... or .... perish... these americans are so flippant with their politcal views they wave their hands like they are swatting a meaningless fly and dismiss peoples lives in the blink of an eye... there seems to be no care... and what else oh yeah i raped a lesbian allegedly.. __ kwis )) (( c[_] scuse the epenthesis ***************************** On 10 Dec 2004, at 01:57, RMStringer wrote: I am from Texas and I say fry those pieces of shit on DEATH ROW taking up tax dollars sitting there for 15-20 some 30 fucking years. Fuck that. That is TOO fucking long to waste my dollars on appeal after appeal after appeal....YADDA YADDA YADDA and so on and so forth. The should all fry. If they cant get of after 5 years, then fry the fuckers. An eye for an eye... RMStringer ========================================== Seek not every quality in one individual: *Confucius* -----Original Message----- From: orb-bounces+rmstringer1971=comcast.net@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:orb-bounces+rmstringer1971=comcast.net@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Kris Weston Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 8:51 PM To: What were the skies like when you were young? Subject: Re: [Orb] (warning) political rant enclosed.. GO ON GAVINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!! WHOooooooooo!! __ kwis )) (( c[_] scuse the epenthesis ***************************** On 10 Dec 2004, at 01:07, Gavin Miller wrote: Oh boy, here I go... Somebody should stop me.
However, I do also agree with Tim, that comparing jailing to execution is, in my opinion, quite a far stretch. We do have too many people in jail in this country, but we're generally civil about it.
Just Hope you don't get jailed in Texas. Bush supports that women should not have control over their own bodies. After all, what's more fun - preventing an unwanted pregnancy, or allowing them to grow old so he can fry them in the electric chair?
Executing large numbers of people for their political, social, or religious beliefs is sickening.
All they need to do is label you an enemy combatant, and they can lock you up, deny you your rights, and never have to release you because they determined that you are a threat. Just as sickening to me. Texas leads the naton in executions. I don't know what's worse, that 9 of Bush's 15 secretaries resigning, or him replacing them with more conservative representatives sharing his ideology. He now has tied Nixon for the record of cabinet resignations. How fitting that the president can be compared to the Nixon administration Even though I don't support Kerry, I wanna say "Wazzup" to the blue states!!! Keep it real. I'm curious to see just how much more divided the USA will be in 4 years than it is now. Gavin __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? http://my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Orb mailing list Orb@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/orb Report list abuse to list-abuse at studio-nibble.com _______________________________________________ Orb mailing list Orb@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/orb Report list abuse to list-abuse at studio-nibble.com _______________________________________________ Orb mailing list Orb@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/orb Report list abuse to list-abuse at studio-nibble.com
Hey Gavin! Long time no... See? :D Hope all is well with you, my friend! On 12/9/04 7:07 PM, "Gavin Miller" <orbaddict@yahoo.com> wrote:
Just Hope you don't get jailed in Texas. Bush supports that women should not have control over their own bodies. After all, what's more fun - preventing an unwanted pregnancy, or allowing them to grow old so he can fry them in the electric chair?
It's no one's right but the woman's to decide what's best for her body. As far as I'm concerned, a fetus (foetus for you limeys =D ) is nothing but a parasitic entity until the umbilical cord is cut... And if for any reason the woman can't or won't be able to have the child, then it's her right to end the pregnancy...
All they need to do is label you an enemy combatant, and they can lock you up, deny you your rights, and never have to release you because they determined that you are a threat. Just as sickening to me. Texas leads the naton in executions.
I don't know what's worse, that 9 of Bush's 15 secretaries resigning, or him replacing them with more conservative representatives sharing his ideology. He now has tied Nixon for the record of cabinet resignations. How fitting that the president can be compared to the Nixon administration
Even though I don't support Kerry, I wanna say "Wazzup" to the blue states!!! Keep it real. I'm curious to see just how much more divided the USA will be in 4 years than it is now.
There are definitely some ludicrous goings on in the gov't. I don't agree with a lot of it. You have pointed out some very serious problems with the current administration, and rightly so (pun intended)... =) All right enough of this for me for the evening! :D -Brian
It's no one's right but the woman's to decide what's best for her body. As far as I'm concerned, a fetus (foetus for you limeys =D ) is nothing but a parasitic entity until the umbilical cord is cut... And if for any reason the woman can't or won't be able to have the child, then it's her right to end the pregnancy...
Absolutely right. Allow me to expand on that - specifically, the woman is already a human being - hence, she has rights. The baby, until it is born, is a _potential_ human being, hence it has no rights (if it was certain that the baby would be born alive and well, then it would, but its status as a potentiality, not an actuality, and hence its non-rights status, is a product of this lack of certainty). Since it does not have rights, it is WRONG (the opposite/violation of a RIGHT) to ban the woman to exercise HER right to control her own body and what is or is not in it. T
ouch... you really made me laugh with that one i actually LOL'd for that... hey mate! its ok .. its cool you got different beliefs to me fine lets try and understand each other rather than slagging orf lets just try it! i dont receive any money from you by the way youre not my customer heheheheheeee
Kris: The whole world knows Palestine is the driving force behind fundamentalist muslim terrorism.
"Except for that part of the world that knows that it's Islam that's behind fundamentalist muslim terrorism." (kris did not say that) just wanna make that clear... ouch ouch ouch... this is a true ouch comment you have made what they call a 'knights move' in psychiatry hehe just kidding.. islam is a religon my friend... saying islam is behind terrorism is like saying the jews should be gassed for being inferior its quite a nazi comment actually... but dont get pissed off ill try and tell ya here - heres some twat arguing the point http://thetruereligion.org/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=63 unfortunately the scientific facts that prove islam is the one true way arent working on that site hehehehe
Except for us. The rest of the world also recognizes Bush as a dangerous, stupid little fucker as do about half of us.
And those who have initiated terror attacks aren't? Bush is dangerous for defending YOU against them??? Fuck man, you're even stupider than your previous posts let on. are you serious >? well ok... there is NO TERRORIST THREAT george orwells book 1984 i believe is the one you want.. this guy is defending corporations and the economy at *all* costs... foreign human lives are cheap of course... oh and by the way when a terrorist action happens on your own soil you have to sit and think... why did they do it?
privately). We now have more of our population in prison (as a percentage) than Germany ever had,
This is, admittedly, one of the things Bush (and Clinton, who was also responsible for rampant drug war expansion) and the rest have done to this great country, and it is very sad. Like I said initially, Atlas WILL shrug, eventually. However (continuing my comments from above), it's pretty god-damn asinine to equate putting a lot of people in jail for non-crimes with rounding up vast numbers of the population and summarily KILLING THEM. Jesus. but america is killing people silly.. left , right and centre in fact.. and for the last god knows how many years your country is guilty of awful *state* terrorism a phrase that is sadly lacking in the media and elsewhere... nicaragua comes to mind, the american backed indonesian coup i think a million people died there where general suharto was put in place with your governments tacit approval do you know what the headline was in the new york times ? ' a gleam of light in asia' great new investment opportunities as indonesia opens up its markets to america! this is how your country operates my friend.. http://www.fair.org/extra/best-of-extra/indonesia-nyt.html i think if you take a lot of the things that america is doing for example funding the occupied territories outrage.. i dont like to do it cos people get upset but i can see a lot of paralells there myself... http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0126-02.htm lets continue this tomorrow...
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