I disagree! I to bought an orbit and have no complaints. Of course there are some who say that the elipse brings me a little close to the outer rings of other solar bodies but i was well aware of this on the date of purchace. orb(its) are good for you! just look at prince harry if spinning is good enough for the royal family its good enought for me! and at the time it came with a free K-tel nasalhair-omatic, fantastic value!!! weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! bump... oops astoroid! --------------------------------- With Yahoo! Mail you can get a bigger mailbox -- choose a size that fits your needs