Well, I'm sorry to see you go JC. You always had the inside track on the obscure French release. Maybe you can pop in from time to with info on new releases that you come across. The list hasn't worn me out yet, so I'll be hanging around for a while more. Don "There is no greater joy than soaring high on the wings of your dreams, except maybe the joy of watching a dreamer who has nowhere to land but in the ocean of reality." DONALD D GAGEN MAILTO:DGAGEN@ENSEMBLESTUDIOS.COM ENSEMBLE STUDIOS http://www.ensemblestudios.com -----Original Message----- From: derrien@club-internet.fr [mailto:derrien@club-internet.fr] Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 1:36 PM To: orb@mailman.xmission.com Subject: [Orb] Ok, then... Dear Matt, Well, I thought that helping other fans to get rare stuffs, talking about the music and how The Orb changed our life (yes, I think that music can change it, sometimes), be positive was the point of this mailing list. That's alright, I'll leave this mailing list now, happy to have met some members (u know who u r). I have subscribed to this list since 1995. Now is the time for a change. Bye now, Jc See you Miles, Rachel, Chris, Don, Joe, Robert, etc... Take care _______________________________________________ Orb mailing list Orb@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/orb
anything KW says *is* orb related some people have no freeking sense of humor either- I wonder what it must be like to hang out with some Type A type who can't enjoy anything that isn't completely *mild* or that "breaks the rules"; some people might prefer sitting in their room polishing their f'ing record collection thaN having a bit of shits and giggles on a message board (or whatever this place is) also, what the hell does 'producer' mean, anyhow? In motion pictures, a producer is someone who pulls together money and resources for a project- but it seems this is different in music making. on orb releases, do the credits mean much of anyhting? how does one know what to attribute to who? seems LX always puts himself last, irrespective of the supposed amount of his contribution. What does it mean when he says "Kris [made] almost all the music"? What is this about andy supposedly 'stealing' orbus T.? Almost all that record seems to be due to T. Fehlmann's inf;luence- according to the credits (but he always seems to be resposible for short little tunes). Is it Thrash's influence that resulted in the 12-20 min. pieces? ===== **********compassionat.net**********
At 05:11 PM 2/14/2003 -0800, you wrote:
also, what the hell does 'producer' mean, anyhow? In motion pictures, a producer is someone who pulls together money and resources for a project- but it seems this is different in music making.
The producer is Mr or Mrs Important. :) The producer is the person that stands around asking the engineer for more top. The producer is the one who says 'Okay band, can we do that take again and this time with a bit more feeling?' The producer is the one who hypothetically gets in the five-piece string quartet to try it out. The producer is usually the go-between between the artist and the label. The producer ultimately has final say on all matters relating to a project. The producer knows, hears and considers everything and is unto a god. The Orb are self-produced, suffice it to say, which means they do all this sort of thing themselves. :) What i'm personally curious to know is what the difference is between mixing and engineering. --ravenspiral
"What i'm personally curious to know is what the difference is between mixing and engineering." Mixing to me is pushing the sliders, adjusting the volumes and that sort of thing. Not much if you ask me, but I would also think that they are the same to some degree. RMStringer "I just don't want to know anymore, Life shifts up and down Everybody knows it's wrong..... Why don't you care?" Skinny Puppy - Somthered Hope -----Original Message----- From: orb-admin@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:orb-admin@mailman.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Simon Bennett Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 8:48 PM To: orb@mailman.xmission.com Subject: RE: [Orb] flaming, etc. / also, what the hell does 'producer' mean, anyhow? At _______________________________________________ Orb mailing list Orb@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/orb
At 11:41 PM 2/14/2003 -0600, you wrote:
"What i'm personally curious to know is what the difference is between mixing and engineering." Mixing to me is pushing the sliders, adjusting the volumes and that sort of thing. Not much if you ask me, but I would also think that they are the same to some degree.
So there's a recording engineer who records everything, a mix engineer who gets everything sounding nice.. i wonder what just a plain engineer does then (e.g. on LFC Youth and LX did the mixing but Thrash and Greg Hunter engineered). After that stage presumably you get a mastering engineer who takes care of technical stuff and puts the actual album together. Thrash, if you're still here and don't mind explaining, what's the difference between 'mix' and 'engineer'? --kwook
*sound of brakes being applied suddenly*
Mixing to me is pushing the sliders, adjusting the volumes and that sort of thing. Not much if you ask me, but I would also think that they are the same to some degree.
Well it may not sound difficult to you but there's a fine art to getting the levels perfectly right, then scooping and boosting EQ so things aren't colliding with one another needlessly, punching things in and out as need be, compressing the levels to even the dynamic range up as need be.. a lot of work goes into mixing, you know. Even fine adjustments of less than a dB can make quite a difference to the listening experience of the song. Consider the job that Blue Room would have been, probably 24 tracks (if not more) times 40 minutes of _heavily_ layered techno which all needs to be seen to, mixed and engineered. It's a pretty demanding task being a mix engineer in control of all that. --kwook
ive done a few tracks for albums - done the technical side then engineered then mixed to produce the final track- then it was masterd along side the other tracks that where on the album made by other people- it sounded so much different to my master copy - i like a track to have a reasonable dynamic range so the kicking punchy bits are louder than the spacey and mellow bits - but after it was masterd this range was reduced to fit with the other tracks produced by the the other engineers-the e'q was also alterd in short the master chapy tries to make all the tracks for an album fit well together eq compression ect and makes track marks (trk no's) if its a cd again, me thinks! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Simon Bennett" <womble@arach.net.au> To: <orb@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 6:06 AM Subject: RE: [Orb] flaming, etc. / also, what the hell does 'producer' mean, anyhow?
*sound of brakes being applied suddenly*
Mixing to me is pushing the sliders, adjusting the volumes and that sort of thing. Not much if you ask me, but I would also think that they are the same to some degree.
Well it may not sound difficult to you but there's a fine art to getting the levels perfectly right, then scooping and boosting EQ so things aren't colliding with one another needlessly, punching things in and out as need be, compressing the levels to even the dynamic range up as need be.. a lot of work goes into mixing, you know. Even fine adjustments of less than a
dB
can make quite a difference to the listening experience of the song.
Consider the job that Blue Room would have been, probably 24 tracks (if not more) times 40 minutes of _heavily_ layered techno which all needs to be seen to, mixed and engineered. It's a pretty demanding task being a mix engineer in control of all that.
--kwook
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the dif between engineering and mixing ! an engineer sets up the the audio system - inserts fx's route's the samplers, modules into the mixer .where it is mixed>>> mixing is the fine tuning part - EQ ,paning ,automation ect also there are audio 'technicians' sort of like an engineer - technicians are given a set amount of audio gear for a show or whatever - and set it up and make sure it keeps running- engineers can experiment add more -change configurations -be more artistic me thinks - ??? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Simon Bennett" <womble@arach.net.au> To: <orb@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 2:47 AM Subject: RE: [Orb] flaming, etc. / also, what the hell does 'producer' mean, anyhow?
At 05:11 PM 2/14/2003 -0800, you wrote:
also, what the hell does 'producer' mean, anyhow? In motion pictures, a producer is someone who pulls together money and resources for a project- but it seems this is different in music making.
The producer is Mr or Mrs Important. :)
The producer is the person that stands around asking the engineer for more top. The producer is the one who says 'Okay band, can we do that take again and this time with a bit more feeling?' The producer is the one who hypothetically gets in the five-piece string quartet to try it out. The producer is usually the go-between between the artist and the label. The producer ultimately has final say on all matters relating to a project. The producer knows, hears and considers everything and is unto a god.
The Orb are self-produced, suffice it to say, which means they do all this sort of thing themselves. :)
What i'm personally curious to know is what the difference is between mixing and engineering.
--ravenspiral
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