Yep heard of and used egg orbis and have used it, but quickly stopped i'm not impressed but you can have a look at how good it is here http://rc55.grooblehonk.co.uk/users/mgan/tests.html Best at the moment mp3pro by a long way (and more stable on big compression). But like everything else its a matter of choice ... apart from thrash's .. (ahem) ok that's enuff quoting.. Well my 55yr old military psy-0p c0oder tells me it's the best Cos his friend emmet plant made it And he reckons it's the bollocks Better quality and smaller than mp3 thas what he says Mind you he is involved in constant cyber wars With the m0nkeys.. I can't figure out *who* really wears the white hat's round ere. I leave em to their bananas innit.. Theyre out there you know fighting on our behalf Doing the kkk/racists/facists/ anyone trying to fuk with our freedom Err that's enough Love kris