<< I contend that you are wrong. >> why you.... i oughta..... no, i might be. but you might be as well. who can tell? << Go to a high end stereo/speaker shop and bring in the same album in a compressed and uncompressed format. I guarantee the people working there (if their worth their salt) will be able to tell the difference. >> or at least, they will SAY they can. like i am going to trust thoe people, who have a vested interest in me agreeing with their statements and thus shellign out for expensive audio gear.... << Same with vinyl and CD......people *can* tell the difference. The range of frequencies the you get with vinyl is greater than CD. >> and i contend that the range of frequency difference is nothign we cna hear, and that rather the difference has to do with the quality of the hardware. here is a comment: music folk do this all the time -- analog v. digital sound. film people NEVER do. you never hear anyone slam DVD as degrading the quality of celluloid film. why is that? << Like I said before, I'm no sonic expert or I would throw in a bunch of numbers to prove this..... >> heh. touche! << I'm not sure I understand what you're getting at here? Playback? I'm talking about the wave form, not what it's played on. >> a waveform by itself is meaningless -- it is only when it is fed through hardware that you get sound, and therefore meaning. the hardware is as important, if not moreso, than the medium. << I don't own an mp3 player (well, I have winamp on my computer) so I'm not sure what the differences are between companies or if one company makes an mp3 player that sounds better than another. >> do you have a DVD player? many ll DVD players made in the past 3 years will also play MP3 CDs. << Again, some people use and love mp3. It is great for storing large amounts of audio to carry around. It's convenient. However, I don't like lossy formats and try not to use them whenever possible. That's just me, though. It's my opinion... and you know the saying about opinions.... >> fair enough. << FWIW, nobody on my planet likes mp3s....... >> i knew it.... PJK please don't hate me because i can't type..... --- All the cool kids are doing it: HTTP://www.EvilSponge.org