Well, I hope this isn't the case but I have to say I'm feeling a little concerned about the disappearance of Badorb.com, not the website but the fact that all the phone numbers are now unobtainable those for Deviant too, and other list members have had emails bounced back. I bought a new £170 subscription which started with Bob14, which so far I have not received (Tog14 neither). The last email I had asked if I wanted it refunded, to which I said that I would be happy for them to hang on to it as I may not be able to afford it when things started up again. I heard nothing back and have not had any replies to further emails asking what is happening. Badorb.com was put on hold to improve the service I thought, not to leave people in limbo. As I say, there may not be any problem at all, and I'd like to think that after 10 years of buying Orb records they wouldn't do anything like that. Has anyone else had any money refunded, received there Bob 14's etc or received any form of communication recently? Phil.