(con't from self-aggrandizing "Stolen land, pt1) My issue is this (my holier-than-thouness, if you will.) Having recognized the interconnectedness of all of us, how do we deal with someone who is all-for the mass slaughter of people? Who endorses it? What do you say to someone who exhibits pride in their hand in the murder of innocent people? Our commitment to continuing life on this planet dictates that ego games of hate and greed must be exposed as the cancer that they are. This cancer must be healed if we're going to make it. It's all pointless prattle, anyhow. Decent people know better, I don't know what it takes to reach the rest. FTR - I'm not anti-american. Not people of a nation, just people. I'm anti-ignorance, anti-hate, anti-bigotry. If it's possible to be intolerant of intolerance without being a massive hypocrite, then that's where you'll find me. If it's hypocritical to say so, well, then I'm still working on that. People gripe about the lack of Orb content here. The way I figure it, people who have actually "experienced" the Orb have experienced music as the great connector - as a path back into ourselves and our connectedness with everything. Certainly there has been some mail from list members that indicates that this is the truth. Certainly those of us who feel this way share a common voice that's screaming in agony when it looks at the state of things today. I don't know what we gain by sharing that voice, but sometimes you've just got to speak, eh? (And sometimes you speak too much, like I just did :) Peace. Mick --- "We have become a Nazi monster in the eyes of the whole world-a nation of bullies and bastards who would rather kill than live peacefully. We are not just Whores for power and oil, but killer whores with hate and fear in our hearts. We are human scum, and that is how history will judge us... No redeeming social value. Just whores. Get out of our way, or we'll kill you." -- Hunter S. Thompson, Kingdom of Fear