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Re: [Orb] Re: OT: FARENHEIT 911
by babylon＠egenius.org 01 Jul '04

01 Jul '04

> > > > Michael Moore says "I am an Independent, not a member of the Democratic party" > > > > well check this link for his Active Democratic Party membership paperwork: > > > > http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0628041moore2.html > > What's wrong with that? I've registered as a democrat before a primary > election in the past so that I can vote in the primary as a democrat. > Then I switch it back to undeclared. I could see MM doing the same. Whats wrong with that is that he stands up on television and declares that he is not a democrat... but he is a registered democrat.. > > I'm pretty sure MM isn't declaring F911 to be a documentary. Assuming > it is so is where most people go wrong. > No he does call it a documentary... and in fact some of the ads for it I have seen on television call it such..... This is the same as Bowling for Columbine, which won the best documentary Oscar.... but was clearly not a documentary... To me Michael more is a fucking liar..... but so are almost every politician in this country and every other country.... Democrat, Republican, Green, I don't care... politicians are liars... representing their own best interest. People should spend time learning, talking, and debating, and come to their own opinions... Sadly that is not possible in America anymore, the majority of Americans are moderates in the middle on most issues... but that just makes the Zealots on both ends of the spectrum louder.... and no conversation goes more then 3 sentences before the name calling begins. BTW - 2 Liberal editorial writers in the Washington Post lambasted F9/11 today. Saying that it preached to the choir with obviously false conspiracies, instead of leading a real dialog trying to get to the truth behind Iraq.. Also funny that a poll discussed on NBC, ABC, and CNN... (I did not catch whose poll it was)... showed that of the people who said that they were voting for Kerry, 71% said they were voting against Bush (and would vote for anyone against Bush), and only 19% said they liked Kerry. Of course that may be enough.

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re: ot F911
by Alan Evil 01 Jul '04

01 Jul '04

Reading the links to the "Michael Moore is lying, here's the proof" websites, they remind me of the way Creationists claim the 1000 or so pages of the Bible are more trustworthy than the millions of pages of scientific enquiry that disprove it. What I enjoyed the most were the "read the whole quote" sections which then did not include the original quote. What's up with that? I receive mailings from the Christian Coalition, the Project for a New American Century, and spend a lot of time listening to and reading the far right's output of materials. People that support the President as unquestioned and unimpeachable GREAT LEADER never bother to look at the opposing arguments. As with the Christian fundamentalists they emulate, it is considered sinful to even attempt an understanding of the contrary position. This would require them to think. It would also require them to read sources (as if the Right bothers with such useless decorations as footnotes or scholarship of any type), do research, compare and contrast (as if the Right can see anything other than black and white). To actually go see a movie that calls into question the honesty and integrity of a Bush using information that is public and footage of these people themselves would be to stain themselves in the eyes of the almighty dollar. Best to keep your eyes down and nose to the grindstone so that the blessings of the GREAT LEADER might trickle down upon you. At least half of Americans are idiots. Sadly, some of them are on this list. ____________________ www.psychicreform.com or http://www.ifpr.homestead.com until we get things working ____________________ A man without self-doubt is a monster. --Garrison Keillor 25% of the world's prison population is in the United States.

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RE: [Orb] re: ot F911
by Joshua Long 01 Jul '04

01 Jul '04

>>"It's just a fucking movie!!" Yes, it is a movie..... >>"So are you saying that politicians never distort the truth for their own personal agenda???" of course they do, it's their fucking job, just look at D. Feintein for an example.... >>"Sadly, some of them are on this list." I've been on this list for over 11 years, and this is the first time I can recall someone calling others idiots for their political views, which is sad...(excluding Thrash) >>"The thing with GWBush ,IMO, is that you can tell he's an idiot just by looking at him." That statement I will most whole heartedly agree with..... Look people, I was just stateing my opinion of Moore ("a fat socialist, flatulence spewing piece of shit"). To me that is what he is. I saw "Bowling" and at first glance I thought it was pretty good but something in the back of my mind was nagging at me, so I checked into it. And those links that I posted are what I found. But the thing about Moore is that his movies are not "comedies" they are so called "documentaries," to be understood as truth, and they are far from it. What I have liked most about this list is that we come from all over the world to let our feelings known about one certain subject, and that is THE ORB. And what makes this list great, and has kept me here for so long is that we can openly express our opinions about other subjects, i.e. F911 or (sarcasim on) Thrash for that matter (sarcasim off). One thing i can not stand, and I will not stand, is others lambasting others they know nothing about...Otto Matic, I have a satement for you. Don't try portraying you pathetic egotistical short-commings on me, for it will not work. You are an ASS Joshua "the religous fanatical sheep"

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OT statistics
by Alan Evil 01 Jul '04

01 Jul '04

Did you know that 98% of statistics are made up on the spot? Heh heh. ____________________ www.psychicreform.com or http://www.ifpr.homestead.com until we get things working ____________________ A man without self-doubt is a monster. --Garrison Keillor

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OT eruption on violin
by Alan Evil 01 Jul '04

01 Jul '04

Any Van Halen fans on the list? http://www.bobbyyang.com/video/750kb.htm ____________________ www.psychicreform.com or http://www.ifpr.homestead.com until we get things working ____________________ A man without self-doubt is a monster. --Garrison Keillor

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re: ot F911
by Mike VandeVelde 01 Jul '04

01 Jul '04

It's just a fucking movie!! A comedy even!! What a sad commentary on the state of public discourse all the reams and reams of screaming this simple movie has created. Some people nit picking at a few minor details and so calling it entirely inacurate, some people saying this is the new new testament and if you don't go see it you'll burn in ignorance. It all boils down to yer a friggin idgit no i aint yeah you are i know you are but what am i screw you twig boy bite me you imperial stormtrooper blah blah blah. There are facts in that movie, there is actual real life footage that doesn't come from some studio (even if it's all surrounded with some stupid fat white guy's opinion ;-) ). I can't beleive that it's practically starting a civil war down there. Anyway, I'm collecting material for my movie here: http://users.uniserve.ca/~mikev/america.html If you know of anything I'm missing please pass it on! PS - Forget CNN or Fox news, check out The Daily Show with John Stewart - I fucking love that guy!!

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RE: [Orb] FARENHEIT 911
by Don Gagen 01 Jul '04

01 Jul '04

"M. Moore is a fat socialist, flatulence spewing piece of shit. Everything that he says or comments on he distorts to his own personal agenda, while at the same time he has total disregard for the entire truth." So are you saying that politicians never distort the truth for their own personal agenda??? Bush does it all the time. Why should he be able to corner the market on propaganda and lies? I'll say it again. Even if you walk away believing the movie is full of lies, Michael Moore's lies are presented in a way that's far more entertaining and far less severe than demolishing a country based on a lie. "There is no greater joy than soaring high on the wings of your dreams, except maybe the joy of watching a dreamer who has nowhere to land but in the ocean of reality." Despair INC. DONALD D GAGEN MAILTO:DGAGEN@ENSEMBLESTUDIOS.COM ENSEMBLE STUDIOS http://www.ensemblestudios.com ________________________________________ From: orb-bounces+dgagen=ensemblestudios.com(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:orb-bounces+dgagen=ensemblestudios.com@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Joshua Long Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 6:14 AM To: What were the skies like when you were young? Subject: RE: [Orb] FARENHEIT 911

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RE: [Orb] FARENHEIT 911
by Don Gagen 01 Jul '04

01 Jul '04

I loved it! Even if you walk away believing the movie is full of lies. Michael Moore's lies are presented in a way that's far more entertaining than any I've heard come from Bush's mouth.

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RE: [Orb] FARENHEIT 911
by Joshua Long 01 Jul '04

01 Jul '04

Haven't seen it yet, and don't plan to. M. Moore is a fat socialist, flatulence spewing piece of shit. Everything that he says or comments on he distorts to his own personal agenda, while at the same time he has total disregard for the entire truth. IMO, they should strip him of his Oscar he won for "Bowling," put the fat bastard on a spit and roast him like the pig he is. Don't get me started......... -----Original Message----- From: orb-bounces+jlong=wfubmc.edu(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:orb-bounces+jlong=wfubmc.edu@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Menelik303(a)aol.com Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 12:59 AM To: orb(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: [Orb] FARENHEIT 911 HEY DID ANYONE SEE THIS MOVIE IF SO LET ME KNOW WHAT YOU THOUGHT OR IF YOUR PLANNING TO SEE IT

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Re: Orb Digest, Vol 17, Issue 2
by Metabolic 01 Jul '04

01 Jul '04

> Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 11:42:15 -0400 > From: "Joshua Long" <jlong(a)wfubmc.edu> > Subject: RE: [Orb] FARENHEIT 911 > To: "What were the skies like when you were young?" > <orb(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: > <F160BE32A2E5E04497668BBDFE83FEDF04FE3407(a)EXCHVS1.medctr.ad.wfubmc.edu> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > From: "-->rachel" > > What's the matter? Afraid you might learn something? > > Here all check out these links you might learn something > > > http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html > And > http://fahrenheit_fact.blogspot.com/ > Thanks for the excellent links. These clarify exactly what I long suspected about Michael Moore. Essential reading.

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