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Re: [Orb] His master's voice
by bla blazo 29 Jan '04

29 Jan '04

Good discussion! >and i contend that no human being can tell, on a high end MP3. I contend that you are wrong. Go to a high end stereo/speaker shop and bring in the same album in a compressed and uncompressed format. I guarantee the people working there (if their worth their salt) will be able to tell the difference. Same with vinyl and CD......people *can* tell the difference. The range of frequencies the you get with vinyl is greater than CD. Like I said before, I'm no sonic expert or I would throw in a bunch of numbers to prove this..... ><< I can absolutely tell the difference between vinyl and CD >> > >because you have different playback devices. you are comparing apples to >oranges and >saying, "This apple is the better orange." I'm not sure I understand what you're getting at here? Playback? I'm talking about the wave form, not what it's played on. >ah, there's the rub: clean environment would mean comparable playback >equipment. maybe i just need to buy a better MP3 player, then i can hear >the limitations? Hmmm...just train your ears to listen and you will hear the limitations. I don't own an mp3 player (well, I have winamp on my computer) so I'm not sure what the differences are between companies or if one company makes an mp3 player that sounds better than another. I'll admit that I've heard some pretty damn good mp3s...it makes me wish that I could get my hands on the original source all the more. Again, some people use and love mp3. It is great for storing large amounts of audio to carry around. It's convenient. However, I don't like lossy formats and try not to use them whenever possible. That's just me, though. It's my opinion... and you know the saying about opinions.... Just remember: "...it's important to understand that all MP3 files, no matter how well-encoded, have discarded some of the information that was stored in the original, uncompressed signal." quoted from: http://www.mp3-converter.com/mp3codec/lossiness.htm Got to google and type in lossy or lossless compression and do some reading. FWIW, nobody on my planet likes mp3s....... -matt _________________________________________________________________ Let the new MSN Premium Internet Software make the most of your high-speed experience. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=byoa/prem&ST=1

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RE: [Orb] From the rough trade list - out on monday
by Bill the Butcher's 28 Jan '04

28 Jan '04

I swear I had a dream about that last night. I had a bootleg copy of patterns n' textures w/I have never seen but I kept putting it into the vcr. Then we had those things b4 laserdiscs that looked like records. Or were those laserdiscs that had spiderman and stuff, wierd we had that b4 CDs? Who knows what those visual/audio records were, you slid into a slot. >From: derrien(a)club-internet.fr >Subject: [Orb] From the rough trade list - out on monday >Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 15:31:58 +0100 > >various - island life various - island life dvd 6.99 a cheap collection of >classic videos from the island roster including paul weller, the orb, >aswad, pulp, tricky, pj harvey, buggles etc >_______________________________________________ >Orb mailing list >Orb(a)mailman.xmission.com >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/orb _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE online virus check for your PC here, from McAfee. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

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RE: [Orb] His master's voice
by JASON HICKS 28 Jan '04

28 Jan '04

> >>hiss... can you honestly tell the difference between bit sampling rates? > >Honestly, yes. I can tell the difference. Me too, I won't bother with anything below 128 kbps, and I highly prefer 256 (at this bitrate it gets tough to distinguish between mp3 and wav, when the mp3 is 1st generation of course). Jason _________________________________________________________________ Find high-speed net deals comparison-shop your local providers here. https://broadband.msn.com

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Re: [Orb] His master's voice
by Bill the Butcher's 28 Jan '04

28 Jan '04

Horse cocks!!! I dunno what the incriments are but if its like gaming systems it doubles from 128 to 256 so that can't be it... from like 100 to 128 who cares and, correct me if i'm wrong cuz thats why the forum is here, from 128 to like 156 or whatever is meaningless... you can't tell every little bit i meant.. not a huge jump. Music w/complexity isnt' compressed as much w/mp3 its when the bass hits w/something else that they clamp down on it cuz who needs Proppellarheads wank-shit or whatever at 156 bits when its crud-distorted flange bass? when its being dowloaded it all sounds shitty anyhow... Kiss E.P. always crisp and not a bit washed out. Somebody has gotten their knickers twisted today, on a pussy-achin' rampage.. > >YES!!!!! abso-fuckin-lute-lee >this guy must be deaf man >ignore any music suggestions he gives... > >On 28 Jan 2004, at 21:29, bla blazo wrote: > >> >>>hiss... can you honestly tell the difference between bit sampling rates? >> >>Honestly, yes. I can tell the difference. >> >>-matt >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Find high-speed ?net deals ? comparison-shop your local providers here. >>https://broadband.msn.com >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Orb mailing list >>Orb(a)mailman.xmission.com >>http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/orb >> >> >-- > > )) > (( > c[_] bLiP > > www.justablip.co.uk > > >_______________________________________________ >Orb mailing list >Orb(a)mailman.xmission.com >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/orb _________________________________________________________________ Learn how to choose, serve, and enjoy wine at Wine @ MSN. http://wine.msn.com/

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RE: [Orb] His master's voice
by bla blazo 28 Jan '04

28 Jan '04

>hiss... can you honestly tell the difference between bit sampling rates? Honestly, yes. I can tell the difference. -matt _________________________________________________________________ Find high-speed net deals comparison-shop your local providers here. https://broadband.msn.com

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RE: [Orb] re: mp3 v. cassette
by bla blazo 28 Jan '04

28 Jan '04

>Oh bullshit cassette players are as good as mp3. At the volume level I've >got the hiss alone would damage my hearing and drown out the music. I don't know if your addressing me, but I wasn't comparing cassette players vs mp3 players. I'm talking about the sound quality of mp3s. Mp3s sucks, IMO. In order to compress the audio data, mp3 conversion cuts out parts of the frequency. You can NEVER get those parts back. I'm not an expert in sound, but I can hear a difference between something that is in mp3 and something that was never compressed. At the higher rates of transfer it is harder to detect but it's totally possible for a well trained ear. Conversion to mp3 can create a "swirly" or "whooshy" kind of sound. Vocals also tend to take on a "tinny" quality that is pretty easy to detect. Hey, if you like mp3 - more power to you. Lots of people use it and love it. If you don't mind the sound degredation then it's a great format to use. And I agree that it's conveniet for storage of large amounts of audio data. I just prefer not to have music in mp3 format, thank you very much. -matt _________________________________________________________________ Let the new MSN Premium Internet Software make the most of your high-speed experience. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=byoa/prem&ST=1

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re: mp3 v. cassette
by Alan 28 Jan '04

28 Jan '04

Oh bullshit cassette players are as good as mp3. At the volume level I've got the hiss alone would damage my hearing and drown out the music. Unless I use Dolby in which case it sounds like you're trying to suffocate the music under a pillow. There's also the cost of the media. A tape osts --let's go for cheap like I'd bought a pack of ten good quality tapes as if one could find that-- about $2 for 90 minutes. A cd-r, on the other hand, costs about $.30 and at 192kbps encoding up to 20khz I can get over 8 hours or 480 minutes on the disc with no noise, digital aritfacts (at least that I can hear in my car), and plenty of depth (again, I'm driving in a small car). I've had my mp3 in-dash for about nine months now and it has NEVER skipped. Even my very high end Nak that I had back in the day would get off track going over a really good bump. I can burn one cd-r, put it in my car for a week and unless I go on a road trip I won't listen to all of it. Plus the faceplate comes off so the theft thing isn't much of an issue. _________________________________ www.psychicreform.com Change your mind. _________________________________ Things are more like they are now than they ever were before. --Zippy the Pinhead _________________________________

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Hexus site?/No effin Google!
by David Doree 28 Jan '04

28 Jan '04

Anyone got a link for the hexus site/Hexus the record label/B&T?! Iv'e searched,but no luck? -Thankyou please. ===== If you have enough energy,half a brain and can convince enough people that you could be the next Orson welles you will become a film maker.Don't be put off by ridicule,poverty or fear you can do it. - Chris jones & Genevieve Jollife. -July 30th '96.(03.52 hours) ________________________________________________________________________ BT Yahoo! Broadband - Free modem offer, sign up online today and save Â£80 http://btyahoo.yahoo.co.uk

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The world is truly a strange and funny place
by billy.b 28 Jan '04

28 Jan '04

Weirdest, funniest and most disgusting news story I have seen in a long time. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3437455.stm -- ***************** ICQ - 13010621 www.billyb.org.uk *****************

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Re: [Orb] Fucking ELL
by Bill the Butcher's 28 Jan '04

28 Jan '04

Hey, I'm one of em.... whats wierd about today? We talking about cold weather? That one cephalapod is wierd though, the bonch..... Your forum is kinda fucked up though... sorry if i shit all over it, just need some1 to talk too *Sob.* If you appreciate honesty, you've been the wierd one lately... its like two people between here and there. He has his professional side that won' ta' build his trash can lid antennae and mount insects. What's that pudding called, speckled prick? Never been to britain but I wan' some speckled prick. I made my 1st guacomole last nigh... good shite, hard to get to taste perfect though (used to alot of salt). I hadta spring for the bag o' organics cuz my 1st attempt send hard bits of cado' out the mixing bowl and on the walls. >From: aunty <thrash(a)justablip.co.uk> >Reply-To: What were the skies like when you were >young?<orb(a)mailman.xmission.com> >To: What were the skies like when you were young? ><orb(a)mailman.xmission.com> >Subject: Re: [Orb] Fucking ELL >Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 20:00:09 +0000 > >another day of war on the justablip front >my forum is pissing me off >its full of weirdos > > >_______________________________________________ >Orb mailing list >Orb(a)mailman.xmission.com >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/orb _________________________________________________________________ Let the new MSN Premium Internet Software make the most of your high-speed experience. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=byoa/prem&ST=1

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