Thanks, Bill, Don, and Don, for your counsel. During mast raising and lowering, I will tie the drum to the bow pulpit (I'm thinking of using a small mesh bag with drawstring closure, to contain and support the drum and insulate the deck from it). I unfasten my sidestays regularly as I have to remove my mast (and mast carrier and motor) to allow Bella to clear my relatively low garage door and fit in my relatively short garage. I may revert to using the clevis pin and cotter ring for the forestay/masthound connection, at least initially, 'cause I don't need a dismasting with my family onboard. I'm concerned because there was some wrenching of the masthound fork during my roller furler raising/lowering adventures. Sincerely, John La Jolla, CA M-15, Bella (628) -- From: montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com Date: 2/16/05 6:05 am To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subj: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 24, Issue 10 Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com You can reach the person managing the list at montgomery_boats-owner@mailman.xmission.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: New to list (Ken Abrahams) 2. Re: Lowering of Mast with Roller Furler (BILLAMICASR@aol.com) 3. Re: Lowering of Mast with Roller Furler (BILLAMICASR@aol.com) 4. Lowering of Mast with Roller Furler (Craig F. Honshell) 5. FW: RE: M_Boats: Lowering of Mast with Roller Furler (Don Haas) 6. M17 kick-up rudder (Larry E Yake) 7. Re: Lowering of Mast with Roller Furler (LUDLOWD2@aol.com) 8. Re: M17 kick-up rudder (bownez@juno.com) 9. Re: M17 kick-up rudder (Gilbert Landin) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 08:27:34 -0600 From: "Ken Abrahams" <kabrahams@structurex.net> Subject: Re: M_Boats: New to list To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <01cc01c5136a$7e86c5f0$693b9944@TOSHIBA> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thanks everyone. Good information. With the beach method, is it safe to pull down on the mast or should one lift the keel, or both? How close is the fit in the cb opening? Ken Abrahams ----- Original Message ----- From: "jerry" <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 10:18 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: New to list

It works fine to beach the 15 and careen it. I'd suggest removing the board (easy), painting up in the slot as far as you can reach easily, and painting the board's leading edge.

Jerry jerrymontgomery.org

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Ken Abrahams here from Lake Charles, La., Montgomery 15, Petite Fleur. I also have a Starwind 19. Both are kept on trailers.

I am considering putting one in a berth in brackish water. What problems does one have with the cb and slot crudding up? Is there an easy way to put bottom paint in the slot and on the board?

Has someone beached a 15 and leaned it over to work on the board? Other ways? The alternatitive most likely is having the work done in a yard with a lift. Problems doing that?

Ken Abrahams

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------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:09:14 EST From: BILLAMICASR@aol.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lowering of Mast with Roller Furler To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Message-ID: <fb.6ac79b78.2f4386ba@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" In a message dated 2/14/2005 8:35:58 PM Pacific Standard Time, jlgonzalez@san.rr.com writes: What's the best way to raise and lower the mast with the roller furler? Hi John, I have absolutely no experience with mast stepping with the roller/furler. However, I did read something that may help: Add a small line to the base of the drum and then wrap the drum with a towel to protect gelcoat. Next tie on a clorox jug (on the added line at base of drum) filled with water or sand and let the jug go over the bow to add weight to keep the drum on the boat. I've never tried this but logic says it could work. I think if I had crew to assist, I would still add the line, wrap the drum with towel & bungie cord and have them stand at the bow to guide the unit as I lowered or raised the mast. There may be a better way... Bill M-17 Tipperary SF, CA ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:15:56 EST From: BILLAMICASR@aol.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lowering of Mast with Roller Furler To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Message-ID: <53.2157bb84.2f43884c@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" In a message dated 2/14/2005 8:35:58 PM Pacific Standard Time, jlgonzalez@san.rr.com writes: I was planning on using quick release pins (thumb actuated with two ball locks, one opposite of the other), Me again... Regarding the quick release. The only con I've heard is they must be periodically washed and lubed as salt may crystalize on the inside and not allow the balls to come out. Not sure if quick release is needed at the chain plates. Easier to wrap them in rigging tape and tie the wires up to the mast with bungie cords. I believe most leave the rigging attached to make it easier at launch and recovery. Bill M17 Tipperary ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 20:05:53 -0500 From: "Craig F. Honshell" <chonshell@ia4u.net> Subject: M_Boats: Lowering of Mast with Roller Furler To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <008801c513c3$b14a1560$0863b3cf@D89X0M51> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" John, I dry-sail, keep my boat on her trailer, mast-up, near a launch-ramp all season . . . I've always had help stepping the mast, so I'm not sure the best approach for a singlehander . . . There are several others on the list with CDI furlers who could probably offer advice, though. Fair winds, Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: John L. Gonzalez To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 11:29 PM Subject: Lowering of Mast with Roller Furler I took folks' (Craig and Rik) counsel, and mounted fairleads on my M-15 for my CDI's furling line. What's the best way to raise and lower the mast with the roller furler? Tie the drum up loosely at the bow pulpit? When I lowered my mast yesterday, the drum went over the side and scraped along the ground, while the head of it twisted alot at the mast hound. Also, do you use a clevis pin and cotter ring to mate the top of the forestay to the mast hound, or do you use a quick release pin? I was planning on using quick release pins (thumb actuated with two ball locks, one opposite of the other), instead of clevis pins and cotter rings, to mate the sidestays and forestay to the chainplates. Any counsel to the contrary? Thanks! John G. M-15/Bella (628) La Jolla, CA ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 18:25:18 -0800 From: "Don Haas" <dshaas@sprintmail.com> Subject: FW: RE: M_Boats: Lowering of Mast with Roller Furler To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Message-ID: <410-22005231622518859@sprintmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII

Subject: RE: M_Boats: Lowering of Mast with Roller Furler

I use two different methods to raise/lower the mast with the furler attached on my M15. The best is to have someone hold on to the drum as the mast is raised or lowered. The method I use when alone is to attach a bungee cord between the drum and the bow cleat. This keeps tension on the whole assembly. It would be a good idea to wrap the drum in towel or something like that though. (my wife made a cover for the drum out of two layers heavy cloth with a piece of 1/4" closed cell foam as insulation inside). I attach the forestay to the mast hound with a "modified" push button quick release pin. I drilled two small holes at the outward end of the barrel and insert a small hitch pin for extra security.

Don Haas M15-248 Dream Catcher

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[Original Message] From: John L. Gonzalez <jlgonzalez@san.rr.com> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Date: 2/14/2005 8:29:16 PM Subject: M_Boats: Lowering of Mast with Roller Furler

I took folks' (Craig and Rik) counsel, and mounted fairleads on my M-15 for my CDI's furling line.

What's the best way to raise and lower the mast with the roller furler? Tie the drum up loosely at the bow pulpit? When I lowered my mast yesterday, the drum went over the side and scraped along the ground, while the head of it twisted alot at the mast hound.

Also, do you use a clevis pin and cotter ring to mate the top of the forestay to the mast hound, or do you use a quick release pin?

I was planning on using quick release pins (thumb actuated with two ball locks, one opposite of the other), instead of clevis pins and cotter rings, to mate the sidestays and forestay to the chainplates. Any counsel to the contrary?

Thanks! John G. M-15/Bella (628) La Jolla, CA

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------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 21:26:26 -0800 From: Larry E Yake <leyake@juno.com> Subject: M_Boats: M17 kick-up rudder To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Message-ID: <20050215.212626.1796.44.leyake@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Good news. A high performance kick-up rudder is now available for the M17. I had Ida Sailor Marine in Boise, Idaho build one for Tullamore and they've added it to their product line. You can view it at this link. http://www.idasailor.com/catalog/default.php It has a mahogany rudder head to maintain that classic look, with a balanced, foil shaped HDPE rudder blade. The one pictured has the pintles mounted to fit my boat, but they'll build to your specifications. Price seems very reasonable to me. They also make a replacement blade for the M15 that will bolt directly to your existing rudder head. It will be a couple months before I can try it out (still winter here), but I send a report as soon as I do. Larry ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 08:06:50 EST From: LUDLOWD2@aol.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lowering of Mast with Roller Furler To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Message-ID: <d1.2296d0ad.2f449f6a@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" John: I don't have a roller furler on Sweet Dream but I do use push pins on the forestay, jib clevis, and lower rudder pintle. I replaced all the cotter pins on the shrouds and elsewhere with SS rings and taped them in place for extra security. I have a piece of shoelace tied to the ring at the base of the pushpin. The lace wraps around the front of the pin with several half hitches and a bowknot to keep it in place and prevent it accidentaly pulling out. I sometimes use plastic cable ties to secure the pushpins and cut them away when I de-rig. Steve Eslemann (Scamp) had his forestay come loose on a trip to Catalina and only the jib downhaul saved him from losing the mast. It pays to be safe. I don't know why you are disconnecting the shrouds at the chainplates. I leave them connected all the time. The mast comes down and goes up with the shrouds connected. The only time I've ever taken them loose was when I had to stow the mast during Hurricane Ivan. Fair winds Don L M-15 # 620 ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 13:50:59 GMT From: "bownez@juno.com" <bownez@juno.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 kick-up rudder To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Message-ID: <20050216.055154.14442.66776@webmail28.lax.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain This looks like a nice accessory. The rudder looks shorter to me, I wonder if it is and how that will effect performance. Also, it does not use the 1/2" rod as the G + P. I wonder if the rudder will dislodge with simply those two small pintles. Are you going to pop for one Larry? Bones ___________________________________________________________________ Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand. Now includes pop-up blocker! Only $14.95/month -visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today! ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 08:04:37 -0600 From: "Gilbert Landin" <gilbert@mindgame.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 kick-up rudder To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <01f601c51430$74331e20$0300a8c0@minime> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original larry, I looked at the picture on the site. Does the knob adjust kick-up tension? It looks like with the synth bottom 1/2 it would be less maintenance. looks good.. gilbert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry E Yake" <leyake@juno.com> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 11:26 PM Subject: M_Boats: M17 kick-up rudder

Good news. A high performance kick-up rudder is now available for the M17. I had Ida Sailor Marine in Boise, Idaho build one for Tullamore and they've added it to their product line. You can view it at this link. http://www.idasailor.com/catalog/default.php It has a mahogany rudder head to maintain that classic look, with a balanced, foil shaped HDPE rudder blade. The one pictured has the pintles mounted to fit my boat, but they'll build to your specifications. Price seems very reasonable to me. They also make a replacement blade for the M15 that will bolt directly to your existing rudder head.

It will be a couple months before I can try it out (still winter here), but I send a report as soon as I do.

Larry

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