I'd still like to know where to locate halyard blocks for: a. A sunbrella cover that I will hoist up to the head of the mast to cover my furled genoa. b. A topping lift. Also, I am moving my traveler to the transom: Anyone know how to add a boom bale? Thanks!

Wayne- I can't find the 17 line drawings, but I have found the 15. It's possible that the 17 lines don't exist anymore (except on the boats, of course). Do you want a copy of the 15 to play around with? There are no deck or interior drawings of the 15, other than the sailplan; I lofted the hull but did the rest with a tape measure and a hand grenade. If this sounds good to you, send me your address. Jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: wayne yeargain To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 8:24 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 line drawings Sounds good, I'll look for them in the mail. Wayne ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry Montgomery To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 6:50 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 line drawings Hi Wayne- My drawings are all old pen & ink drawings. Assusming you can w0ork with these, I'll copy the line drawing and send it off to you. Give me a little time; I'm busyer than a one-armed paper hanger. Jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: wayne yeargain To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 6:58 PM Subject: M_Boats: M17 line drawings Jerry If you are still intrested I'd like to try to intregate your cad drawings with my system and complete any areas necessary to get a complete plan & elevation drawings. My boat is a '76 M17 and I can take measurements for items that are not on your drawings. Let me know what you think Contact me off line at saltydog@ev1.net Wayne

Does anyone on the list understand design well enough to take the lines off a 17'? Except Jerry, of course, who probably wouldn't want to (and who no one should expect to) invest the time on a purely volunteer basis. ----- Original Message ----- From: wayne yeargain To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 10:31 PM Subject: M17 line drawings Hi Jerry Yes send me copies of the 15, I'd like to try my hand at developing some nice drawings. Let me know of any expense you incur & I'll be glad to re-imburse you. Wayne Yeargain 7334 King Manvel, Tx. 77578 ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry Montgomery To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 11:53 PM Subject: M17 line drawings Wayne- I can't find the 17 line drawings, but I have found the 15. It's possible that the 17 lines don't exist anymore (except on the boats, of course). Do you want a copy of the 15 to play around with? There are no deck or interior drawings of the 15, other than the sailplan; I lofted the hull but did the rest with a tape measure and a hand grenade. If this sounds good to you, send me your address. Jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: wayne yeargain To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 8:24 PM Subject: M17 line drawings Sounds good, I'll look for them in the mail. Wayne ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry Montgomery To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 6:50 PM Subject: M17 line drawings Hi Wayne- My drawings are all old pen & ink drawings. Assusming you can w0ork with these, I'll copy the line drawing and send it off to you. Give me a little time; I'm busyer than a one-armed paper hanger. Jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: wayne yeargain To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 6:58 PM Subject: M17 line drawings Jerry If you are still intrested I'd like to try to intregate your cad drawings with my system and complete any areas necessary to get a complete plan & elevation drawings. My boat is a '76 M17 and I can take measurements for items that are not on your drawings. Let me know what you think Contact me off line at saltydog@ev1.net Wayne

Excellent info and link, Tod, thanks. I honestly had no idea any school in the Midwest had a substantial naval architecture program. I would LOVE to tour those facilities. --Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: htmills@bright.net To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 1:33 AM Subject: M17 line drawings Honshells wrote: Does anyone on the list understand design well enough to take the lines off a 17'? Except Jerry, of course, who probably wouldn't want to (and who no one should expect to) invest the time on a purely volunteer basis. Craig, I'm sure quite a few of us know how; it's more likely a matter of so many things to do, so little time... There are two components to it: collecting measurements, and actually making the drawings from the measurements. If you are feeling ambitious, there are a number of good books that describe lines drawings and the significance of waterlines, station sections, buttocks, and diagonals. I used to have a copy of "Skene's Elements of Yacht Design" by Francis Kinney until someone who borrowed it neglected to return it. That's pretty good and understandable for the layman, but there are others I'm sure. Probably your local library could round one up for you to borrow. In the early days of naval architecture, a model would be made to suit the builder's eye (the bigger the better) and it would be sliced not unlike a loaf of bread and the resulting slices measured for laying out the frames. If you ever get over to Ann Arbor, see if you can get a tour of the naval arch. facilities. For a virtual tour, visit: http://www.engin.umich.edu/dept/name/ There is a model shop and associated laboratories and towing tank on the main campus and classrooms and stuff on the north campus. The towing tank is pretty large, 360' long and with a several-ton carriage that rides on rails that actually have a curve in them (to match the earth's curvature). Some of the models that they make there are over 20' long. On the North Campus, there was a drafting room full of drafting tables and carts laden with lead "ducks". A beautiful velvet-lined oak box of Copenhagen Ship's Curves could be checked out. I expect those are mostly gone, replaced by computers. The walls were lined with half-hulls of all sorts, some yachts, mostly ships. The model shop consists of the wood shop and the machine shop. Models are made bread-and-butter style of one inch thick clear sugar pine lifts. The lifts are rough-cut on a band saw to approximate the waterlines. After they are all stacked and glued with the hull upside down on a specially made precisely flat table, the corners on the lifts are cut off with a handheld power plane. Then the hull is shaped carefully at each station with a spokeshave and checked with a template. After the hull is shaped at each station, the hull is faired between stations. It is a lot of work but the master craftsmen they have there make it look quick and easy. There are racks of hundreds of all sorts of clamps and strongbacks. In short, it's a boatbuilder's heaven. The machine shop includes a cabinet with all sorts of propellers on pegs. These propellers are all scale models of propellors you would see on ships. Some of them have all sorts of odd rake and skew, some with 5 or 7 blades, very different from what we have on our outboards. Each propeller is worth several thousand dollars. Then there's electronic testing equipment out the wah-zoo. Every now and then they get more models than they can store. There are some people who probably have very interesting coffee tables in their living rooms! I managed to only lay claim to a seven foot fiberglass mold that was used to make a model of a sailboat, "Golden Daisy", which was an epoxy/wood boat that won the Canada's Cup back in the late 70's I believe. Fascinating place if you get the chance.... :-) Tod

Jerry: Can I buy a set of M17 line drawings from you? --Gary Hyde M15 #235 'Vanilla' N24 'Sailabration' On Wednesday, April 9, 2003, at 09:29 PM, Jerry Montgomery wrote:

Hi folks- sorry to clutter up the forum with this, but I wanted to tell Wayne that I found the 17 lines yesterday, and the email I sent to him personally in which I notified him of this was returned today; address must have changed.   At any rate, it's in the mail tomorrow.   Jerry

----- Original Message ----- From: wayne yeargain To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 7:31 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 line drawings

Hi Jerry Yes send me copies of the 15, I'd like to try my hand at developing some nice drawings. Let me know of any expense you incur & I'll be glad to re-imburse you.   Wayne Yeargain 7334 King Manvel, Tx. 77578

----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry Montgomery To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 11:53 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 line drawings

Wayne- I can't find the 17 line drawings, but I have found the 15.  It's possible that the 17 lines don't exist anymore (except on the boats, of course).  Do you want a copy of the 15 to play around with?  There are no deck or interior drawings of the 15, other than the sailplan; I lofted the hull but did the rest with a tape measure and a hand grenade.   If this sounds good to you, send me your address.   Jerry

----- Original Message ----- From: wayne yeargain To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 8:24 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 line drawings

Sounds good, I'll look for them in the mail.   Wayne

----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry Montgomery To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 6:50 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 line drawings

Hi Wayne- My drawings are all old pen & ink drawings.  Assusming you can w0ork with these, I'll copy the line drawing and send it off to you.  Give me a little time; I'm busyer than a one-armed paper hanger.   Jerry

----- Original Message ----- From: wayne yeargain To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 6:58 PM Subject: M_Boats: M17 line drawings

Jerry If you are still intrested I'd like to try to intregate your cad drawings with my system and complete any areas necessary to get a complete plan & elevation drawings. My boat is a '76 M17 and I can take measurements for items that are not on your drawings. Let me know what you think Contact me off line at saltydog@ev1.net   Wayne

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