Someone tell a story or something..
Have been sailing 2 x this week. Monday got blown off the lake steady 15 K gust at 23+ K rough even with a reef. Sailing today 6-9 K max hull speed 3.2 K. Temperature fell 15 points overnight had to wear sweater and windbreaker. My season is coming to end in the next 2 weeks hauling on 10/15. Hope to get in at least the 4 more sails. George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails" On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 7:53 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Silence on the net!
George, Please remind us which M-boat you sail, an M-15 or 17 or 23? What body of water in what geographical area. Steve M-15 # 335 South Puget Sound -----Original Message----- From: George Iemmolo Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 6:14 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Someone tell a story or something.. Have been sailing 2 x this week. Monday got blown off the lake steady 15 K gust at 23+ K rough even with a reef. Sailing today 6-9 K max hull speed 3.2 K. Temperature fell 15 points overnight had to wear sweater and windbreaker. My season is coming to end in the next 2 weeks hauling on 10/15. Hope to get in at least the 4 more sails. George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails" On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 7:53 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Silence on the net!
Steve Sorry for the lack of complete information. I sail on a small inland lake in LaPorte, IN called Pine lake (650 acres) the area refereed to as NWI (North West Indiana) about 60 mi East of Downtown Chicago we are on Central Time (CT) My prior sailing venue was lake Michigan out of Michigan City, Indiana on my previous boat a Pearson 23. I downsized to accommodate my family who was concerned about my sailing alone on lake Michigan. My daughter lives on Pine Lake and now everyone is happy. At 84 years of age every day sailing is added to my life span. As I plan on sailing till I am 90 I have to get in as much as I can every season. Have been able to crew on a Erickson 38 for the past 3 years for 2 weeks at a time as the owner moved his boat from Connecticut to Indiana and is now in the process of Moving it to Florida. George Merry Helen II 96 M15 #602 George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails" On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 8:32 PM, Steve Trapp <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
George, Please remind us which M-boat you sail, an M-15 or 17 or 23? What body of water in what geographical area. Steve M-15 # 335 South Puget Sound
-----Original Message----- From: George Iemmolo Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 6:14 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Someone tell a story or something..
Have been sailing 2 x this week. Monday got blown off the lake steady 15 K gust at 23+ K rough even with a reef. Sailing today 6-9 K max hull speed 3.2 K.
Temperature fell 15 points overnight had to wear sweater and windbreaker. My season is coming to end in the next 2 weeks hauling on 10/15. Hope to get in at least the 4 more sails.
George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 7:53 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Silence on the net!
What is the path to move a boat from Indiana to Florida?
We did a trip down the inland waterway from Annapolis to Charleston, with a 40 foot boat in 2011. We did it in January and February! When we started, there was enough ice on the boat that it was a hazard getting off and on.. By the time we got to Charleston, it was warm. We had an adventure in Charleston Harbour where we got lost, and did not recognize that we were in the shipping channel because it turned sharply left in the middle of the harbour. We had a Coast Guard gunboat, with gunner at the front, acost us and tell us to get gone. We tried to explain that we had lost our bearings, and did not know where to go, since we could not identify the landmarks that were shown on the charts. Finally, I took a look at the longitude and latitude (duh!) and figured out where we were and where we could go to temporarily move out of the way. Never a dull minute with boarding.
I do recommend the inland waterway before the recreational boaters come along. We had everything to ourselves, though we got stuck at the bridge on the South side of Albermarle Sound. Tied up, and too much wind and tide to get out in front of the bridge in time for the bridge opening, while leaving the option to go back to the available docks against the tide. gail
At 84 years of age every day sailing is added to my life span. As I plan on sailing till I am 90 I have to get in as much as I can every season. Have been able to crew on a Erickson 38 for the past 3 years for 2 weeks at a time as the owner moved his boat from Connecticut to Indiana and is now in the process of Moving it to Florida.
The Erickson 38 came to Lake Michigan from Connecticut via Long Island Sound Up the Hudson across the Erie Canal to lake Erie and then West to Lake Michigan. The owner did not want to retrace his sail so has sailed East to the St, Lawrence Seaway where it is being hauled for the winter. Next spring the plan is to go through the Seaway to the Atlantic Circumnavigate Newfoundland do Mane and be back in Connecticut and get as far South along the East Coast as time will allow. More than Likely finish up the following year sailing south along the east coast Maybe down Chesapeake Bay (My old Stomping Grounds on a Seward 23 being North East River Yacht Club) eventual getting to the West Coast of Florida. (St Pete area) I am looking forward to crewing some legs on the upcoming Delivery,. George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails" On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 9:28 PM, Gail Russell <gail@zeliga.com> wrote:
What is the path to move a boat from Indiana to Florida?
We did a trip down the inland waterway from Annapolis to Charleston, with a 40 foot boat in 2011. We did it in January and February! When we started, there was enough ice on the boat that it was a hazard getting off and on.. By the time we got to Charleston, it was warm. We had an adventure in Charleston Harbour where we got lost, and did not recognize that we were in the shipping channel because it turned sharply left in the middle of the harbour. We had a Coast Guard gunboat, with gunner at the front, acost us and tell us to get gone. We tried to explain that we had lost our bearings, and did not know where to go, since we could not identify the landmarks that were shown on the charts. Finally, I took a look at the longitude and latitude (duh!) and figured out where we were and where we could go to temporarily move out of the way. Never a dull minute with boarding.
I do recommend the inland waterway before the recreational boaters come along. We had everything to ourselves, though we got stuck at the bridge on the South side of Albermarle Sound. Tied up, and too much wind and tide to get out in front of the bridge in time for the bridge opening, while leaving the option to go back to the available docks against the tide.
gail
At 84 years of age every day sailing is added to my life span. As I plan
on
sailing till I am 90 I have to get in as much as I can every season. Have been able to crew on a Erickson 38 for the past 3 years for 2 weeks at a time as the owner moved his boat from Connecticut to Indiana and is now in the process of Moving it to Florida.
Steve I sail with a companion as often as I can most of my neighbors in my retirement community are golfers so I am limited with there time I do have some young friends 60+ or so that I can get to sail with me from time to time mostly it is single handling. Selfie Pictures to family wearing your PDF and snapped in with the safety line will help. George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails" On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 10:00 PM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com> wrote:
The Erickson 38 came to Lake Michigan from Connecticut via Long Island Sound Up the Hudson across the Erie Canal to lake Erie and then West to Lake Michigan. The owner did not want to retrace his sail so has sailed East to the St, Lawrence Seaway where it is being hauled for the winter. Next spring the plan is to go through the Seaway to the Atlantic Circumnavigate Newfoundland do Mane and be back in Connecticut and get as far South along the East Coast as time will allow. More than Likely finish up the following year sailing south along the east coast Maybe down Chesapeake Bay (My old Stomping Grounds on a Seward 23 being North East River Yacht Club) eventual getting to the West Coast of Florida. (St Pete area)
I am looking forward to crewing some legs on the upcoming Delivery,.
George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 9:28 PM, Gail Russell <gail@zeliga.com> wrote:
What is the path to move a boat from Indiana to Florida?
We did a trip down the inland waterway from Annapolis to Charleston, with a 40 foot boat in 2011. We did it in January and February! When we started, there was enough ice on the boat that it was a hazard getting off and on.. By the time we got to Charleston, it was warm. We had an adventure in Charleston Harbour where we got lost, and did not recognize that we were in the shipping channel because it turned sharply left in the middle of the harbour. We had a Coast Guard gunboat, with gunner at the front, acost us and tell us to get gone. We tried to explain that we had lost our bearings, and did not know where to go, since we could not identify the landmarks that were shown on the charts. Finally, I took a look at the longitude and latitude (duh!) and figured out where we were and where we could go to temporarily move out of the way. Never a dull minute with boarding.
I do recommend the inland waterway before the recreational boaters come along. We had everything to ourselves, though we got stuck at the bridge on the South side of Albermarle Sound. Tied up, and too much wind and tide to get out in front of the bridge in time for the bridge opening, while leaving the option to go back to the available docks against the tide.
gail
At 84 years of age every day sailing is added to my life span. As I
plan on
sailing till I am 90 I have to get in as much as I can every season. Have been able to crew on a Erickson 38 for the past 3 years for 2 weeks at a time as the owner moved his boat from Connecticut to Indiana and is now in the process of Moving it to Florida.
On 9/28/2016 10:00 PM, George Iemmolo wrote: Hi George, We had made a sailor out of our daughter's boyfriend, and he wanted Tripp-Lentsch like ours. He found and bought it in Rochester, NY and asked if we could help him get it to its new home at a marina on Staten Island. With the exuberance of youth, he wanted to go up and start the trip the next weekend. I said whoa.... First lets go up and inspect the ship and see what sort of problems you bought. We drove to Rochester; found the boat; found major problems - rust, water and dirt in the fuel tank that all had to be removed, and the whole fuel system cleaned before we could leave. With that accomplished, we departed the following weekend, with an engine that had a clean fuel system,and which ran reliably. Later I found a totally miss-adjusted gearbox clutch so that it wouldn't stay in forward gear without holding your foot against the shift lever. Toggles were installed above the turnbuckles, and were in the wrong place to do any good. Turnbuckles weren't installed properly so that some tightened by turning them to the left while others had to be turned to the right. All these problems were corrected as we went down the Barge Canal. I asked him what the former owner was, and he said, he was a Quality Control Manager. It became the joke of our sailing gang; never buy a boat from a Quality Control Manager; those are the sorts of problems you get..... It was an interesting trip; mostly under power down the Hudson, because of headwinds, but on our final day we had a glorious sail through the middle of New York Harbor and under the Verrazano Bridge to our Staten Island destination. Happy sailing, Connie
The Erickson 38 came to Lake Michigan from Connecticut via Long Island Sound Up the Hudson across the Erie Canal to lake Erie and then West to Lake Michigan. The owner did not want to retrace his sail so has sailed East to the St, Lawrence Seaway where it is being hauled for the winter. Next spring the plan is to go through the Seaway to the Atlantic Circumnavigate Newfoundland do Mane and be back in Connecticut and get as far South along the East Coast as time will allow. More than Likely finish up the following year sailing south along the east coast Maybe down Chesapeake Bay (My old Stomping Grounds on a Seward 23 being North East River Yacht Club) eventual getting to the West Coast of Florida. (St Pete area)
I am looking forward to crewing some legs on the upcoming Delivery,.
George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 9:28 PM, Gail Russell <gail@zeliga.com> wrote:
What is the path to move a boat from Indiana to Florida?
We did a trip down the inland waterway from Annapolis to Charleston, with a 40 foot boat in 2011. We did it in January and February! When we started, there was enough ice on the boat that it was a hazard getting off and on.. By the time we got to Charleston, it was warm. We had an adventure in Charleston Harbour where we got lost, and did not recognize that we were in the shipping channel because it turned sharply left in the middle of the harbour. We had a Coast Guard gunboat, with gunner at the front, acost us and tell us to get gone. We tried to explain that we had lost our bearings, and did not know where to go, since we could not identify the landmarks that were shown on the charts. Finally, I took a look at the longitude and latitude (duh!) and figured out where we were and where we could go to temporarily move out of the way. Never a dull minute with boarding.
I do recommend the inland waterway before the recreational boaters come along. We had everything to ourselves, though we got stuck at the bridge on the South side of Albermarle Sound. Tied up, and too much wind and tide to get out in front of the bridge in time for the bridge opening, while leaving the option to go back to the available docks against the tide.
gail
At 84 years of age every day sailing is added to my life span. As I plan on sailing till I am 90 I have to get in as much as I can every season. Have been able to crew on a Erickson 38 for the past 3 years for 2 weeks at a time as the owner moved his boat from Connecticut to Indiana and is now in the process of Moving it to Florida.
George, I understand about family concerns, you have a bit more than a decade on me, but my son told me, "Dad, I do not want you to go sailing alone." I prefer to share my M-15 with company anyway, particularly if the companion knows how to trim the sheets, or take the helm while I have a beer. Steve M-15 # 335 -----Original Message----- From: George Iemmolo Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 7:19 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Someone tell a story or something.. Steve Sorry for the lack of complete information. I sail on a small inland lake in LaPorte, IN called Pine lake (650 acres) the area refereed to as NWI (North West Indiana) about 60 mi East of Downtown Chicago we are on Central Time (CT) My prior sailing venue was lake Michigan out of Michigan City, Indiana on my previous boat a Pearson 23. I downsized to accommodate my family who was concerned about my sailing alone on lake Michigan. My daughter lives on Pine Lake and now everyone is happy. At 84 years of age every day sailing is added to my life span. As I plan on sailing till I am 90 I have to get in as much as I can every season. Have been able to crew on a Erickson 38 for the past 3 years for 2 weeks at a time as the owner moved his boat from Connecticut to Indiana and is now in the process of Moving it to Florida. George Merry Helen II 96 M15 #602 George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails" On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 8:32 PM, Steve Trapp <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
George, Please remind us which M-boat you sail, an M-15 or 17 or 23? What body of water in what geographical area. Steve M-15 # 335 South Puget Sound
-----Original Message----- From: George Iemmolo Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 6:14 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Someone tell a story or something..
Have been sailing 2 x this week. Monday got blown off the lake steady 15 K gust at 23+ K rough even with a reef. Sailing today 6-9 K max hull speed 3.2 K.
Temperature fell 15 points overnight had to wear sweater and windbreaker. My season is coming to end in the next 2 weeks hauling on 10/15. Hope to get in at least the 4 more sails.
George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 7:53 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Silence on the net!
Heat is FINALLY going. Sailing season without cooking in the cockpit is about to begin down here in sunny south Texas. Learned a trick from an old sailing buddy. He mixes cayenne pepper into his ablative bottom paint and it works very good, much better than without the hot stuff. Guess barnacles like a bland diet. Fair winds, Tom B On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 8:14 PM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com> wrote:
Have been sailing 2 x this week. Monday got blown off the lake steady 15 K gust at 23+ K rough even with a reef. Sailing today 6-9 K max hull speed 3.2 K.
Temperature fell 15 points overnight had to wear sweater and windbreaker. My season is coming to end in the next 2 weeks hauling on 10/15. Hope to get in at least the 4 more sails.
George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 7:53 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Silence on the net!
That's what I'm talking about! I picked up the little man from school yesterday and we headed out for a quickie. Leaving Commencement Bay we tacked our way around 3 large cargo ships with the hopes of reaching Browns Point, Tacoma to return. We had 10-15, reefed, on the way out. We ran out of time according to the Admiral back home and headed back in 2-5kts of wind. The winds here are so fickle! Shook the reef out and wrapped it up. The little guy and I had some pretty snappy tacks. Was fun to watch him try to haul the genny in which is still a bit much for him. I'd do the last little bit of trim. He also lowered the centerboard without incident as I chewed all my nails off. You gotta let them have a go right? A short but sunny and fun sail with my son. Could be worse :) Jazz On Sep 28, 2016 9:39 PM, "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Heat is FINALLY going. Sailing season without cooking in the cockpit is about to begin down here in sunny south Texas. Learned a trick from an old sailing buddy. He mixes cayenne pepper into his ablative bottom paint and it works very good, much better than without the hot stuff. Guess barnacles like a bland diet. Fair winds, Tom B
On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 8:14 PM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com> wrote:
Have been sailing 2 x this week. Monday got blown off the lake steady 15 K gust at 23+ K rough even with a reef. Sailing today 6-9 K max hull speed 3.2 K.
Temperature fell 15 points overnight had to wear sweater and windbreaker. My season is coming to end in the next 2 weeks hauling on 10/15. Hope to get in at least the 4 more sails.
George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 7:53 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Silence on the net!
Good on ya, Jazzy. Letting your son participate even if it costs you some nail tissue......couldn't be better! Our sailing season is about to start down here in south Texas. Gonna give the boat a last coat of cayenne pepper laced bottom paint and back in she goes. Made a bunch of little shelves to attach to the bulkhead adjacent to the cockpit. Everything will be inside, the hand held radio, the search light, horn, binoes. Installed the Garmin Eco map on the port side. It lays flat enough so I can use a cushion and still rest against that bulkhead on the cockpit side. Came up with an idea of just making a 5/16 inch piece of paneling 12 inches wide by 3 feet long. It will slide under the starboard quarter berth cushion yet be able to slide up and rest on the step up to the v-berth. By laying that quarter berth cushion on it I will have a chaise lounge on which to lay and read a book. Finally got all the lights straightened out inside and out. Now I can go sailing at night too. The inside cabin lights are a couple of camper lights and throw lots of light!. Also installed a reading light on the mast support post just for that homey touch. A fresh coat of paint makes the inside look brand new. Nights here now are cool and quiet. Great for anchoring out and reading or just watching the moon and stars. Bette says I am outfitting this boat like the 36 footer I sold years ago. Maybe she is right.🤔 But I know what I like. A comfortable bed and lots of light inside. Speaker system is in the near future too. Great that you are still sailing up there this time of year. Retired my old pickup and bought a van. May haul the boat up to the North west sometime. I can sleep in the van and use the motel room money to fuel the new beast. And so it goes. Fair winds, Tom B On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 9:42 AM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
That's what I'm talking about! I picked up the little man from school yesterday and we headed out for a quickie. Leaving Commencement Bay we tacked our way around 3 large cargo ships with the hopes of reaching Browns Point, Tacoma to return. We had 10-15, reefed, on the way out. We ran out of time according to the Admiral back home and headed back in 2-5kts of wind. The winds here are so fickle! Shook the reef out and wrapped it up. The little guy and I had some pretty snappy tacks. Was fun to watch him try to haul the genny in which is still a bit much for him. I'd do the last little bit of trim. He also lowered the centerboard without incident as I chewed all my nails off. You gotta let them have a go right?
A short but sunny and fun sail with my son. Could be worse :)
Jazz On Sep 28, 2016 9:39 PM, "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Heat is FINALLY going. Sailing season without cooking in the cockpit is about to begin down here in sunny south Texas. Learned a trick from an old sailing buddy. He mixes cayenne pepper into his ablative bottom paint and it works very good, much better than without the hot stuff. Guess barnacles like a bland diet. Fair winds, Tom B
On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 8:14 PM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com> wrote:
Have been sailing 2 x this week. Monday got blown off the lake steady 15 K gust at 23+ K rough even with a reef. Sailing today 6-9 K max hull speed 3.2 K.
Temperature fell 15 points overnight had to wear sweater and windbreaker. My season is coming to end in the next 2 weeks hauling on 10/15. Hope to get in at least the 4 more sails.
George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 7:53 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Silence on the net!
OK, was going to anyhow... :-) Just came back yesterday from three days at Waldo Lake, OR - a lovely crystal clear mountain lake with no infernal combustion motors allowed (since about 10 years ago anyhow). A paddler/sailor/rower paradise, with boat-in camping various places around the lake and three USFS campgrounds all with ramps and docks on the east side, (two just closed for the season, one still open another week or so). You can see it on google maps satellite view/google earth...Waldo Lake, OR. We took advantage of a handful of days of late summer heat wave to have 70's in the day and high 40's at night up there at around 5000 ft. Glassy in the AM & early afternoon, but some very nice sailing from about 2:30 on to suppertime. I kayak camped some years ago there and definitely wanted to get Pajarita in the water there this season...just in time! Overall with that wind pattern a better lake for sail-row camp cruisers, or something like my friend Keith's Hobie Adventure Island tri with both the sail & pedal drive options (he was able to tow me in the doldrums, albeit rather slowly). And, I think it can be breezy all day sometimes, this was just what we had for this trip. An early morning kayaker reported a bout of whitecaps on his way back to the campground at something like 9 AM the second day. Will post a few pics when I get them off the camera. Should have taken some of my anchor placements, you can see the bottom and everything on it very clearly 30+ feet down. cheers, John S. On 09/28/2016 05:53 PM, Jazzy wrote:
Silence on the net!
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
John, I remember towing my M-15 up to Waldo Lake in the Oregon Cascade Mountains (or are those the Siskiyo Mountains?) about 20 years ago when I lived in Corvallis. Learned to appreciate the power of the V-6 in my Ford Ranger when towing up long grades to higher elevations, still have the M-15 and the Ford Ranger. Enjoyed the clear water, and will vouch that I could see to the bottom, but also learned to pay closer attention to the rocks, banged against a rock that was only a couple of feet below the surface, didn't damage the hull or centerboard, but the centerboard did pop up a bit, and it damaged the original wood rudder, which I repaired with fiberglas. I understand no motors are allowed on Waldo Lake now. Is that true? Was able to use my kicker outboard motor there 20 years ago. Also did not need to be concerned with saltwater or any other sort of fouling that can result from saltwater or other waters, unlike now on South Puget Sound or the other conversation currently on M-boats. Steve M-15 # 335 -----Original Message----- From: John Schinnerer Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2016 11:55 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Someone tell a story or something.. - Waldo Lake, OR OK, was going to anyhow... :-) Just came back yesterday from three days at Waldo Lake, OR - a lovely crystal clear mountain lake with no infernal combustion motors allowed (since about 10 years ago anyhow). A paddler/sailor/rower paradise, with boat-in camping various places around the lake and three USFS campgrounds all with ramps and docks on the east side, (two just closed for the season, one still open another week or so). You can see it on google maps satellite view/google earth...Waldo Lake, OR. We took advantage of a handful of days of late summer heat wave to have 70's in the day and high 40's at night up there at around 5000 ft. Glassy in the AM & early afternoon, but some very nice sailing from about 2:30 on to suppertime. I kayak camped some years ago there and definitely wanted to get Pajarita in the water there this season...just in time! Overall with that wind pattern a better lake for sail-row camp cruisers, or something like my friend Keith's Hobie Adventure Island tri with both the sail & pedal drive options (he was able to tow me in the doldrums, albeit rather slowly). And, I think it can be breezy all day sometimes, this was just what we had for this trip. An early morning kayaker reported a bout of whitecaps on his way back to the campground at something like 9 AM the second day. Will post a few pics when I get them off the camera. Should have taken some of my anchor placements, you can see the bottom and everything on it very clearly 30+ feet down. cheers, John S. On 09/28/2016 05:53 PM, Jazzy wrote:
Silence on the net!
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
Yep, no infernal combustion motors. Electric OK. I think it was 10 or 12 years ago they banned gas motors. Before that it was 10 mph or less IIRC. I heard there are people trying to remove the ban. It's such a quiet beautiful place, the only road anywhere near it is a dead-end at the North Campground and it's away from the east shore most of the way. So hardly even any road noise, especially this late in the season. My bias of course, but I hope they keep gas motors off that lake. Please, can we have at least a few places without that noise (and without the smell and the gas and/or oil slicks, etc.). I bonked my keel gently once too on this trip, investigating a side cove for anchoring. Board was up; looked but didn't see any significant bonkage indications now it's on the trailer again so looks like no harm done. Yeah, no lake slime on the rudder even this time. I did have to scrub some dried slime off after four days in Fern Ridge - algae soup in some places, like Klamath lake. cheers, John S. On 09/29/2016 12:23 PM, Steve Trapp wrote:
John, I remember towing my M-15 up to Waldo Lake in the Oregon Cascade Mountains (or are those the Siskiyo Mountains?) about 20 years ago when I lived in Corvallis. Learned to appreciate the power of the V-6 in my Ford Ranger when towing up long grades to higher elevations, still have the M-15 and the Ford Ranger. Enjoyed the clear water, and will vouch that I could see to the bottom, but also learned to pay closer attention to the rocks, banged against a rock that was only a couple of feet below the surface, didn't damage the hull or centerboard, but the centerboard did pop up a bit, and it damaged the original wood rudder, which I repaired with fiberglas. I understand no motors are allowed on Waldo Lake now. Is that true? Was able to use my kicker outboard motor there 20 years ago. Also did not need to be concerned with saltwater or any other sort of fouling that can result from saltwater or other waters, unlike now on South Puget Sound or the other conversation currently on M-boats. Steve M-15 # 335
-----Original Message----- From: John Schinnerer Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2016 11:55 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Someone tell a story or something.. - Waldo Lake, OR
OK, was going to anyhow... :-) Just came back yesterday from three days at Waldo Lake, OR - a lovely crystal clear mountain lake with no infernal combustion motors allowed (since about 10 years ago anyhow). A paddler/sailor/rower paradise, with boat-in camping various places around the lake and three USFS campgrounds all with ramps and docks on the east side, (two just closed for the season, one still open another week or so).
You can see it on google maps satellite view/google earth...Waldo Lake, OR.
We took advantage of a handful of days of late summer heat wave to have 70's in the day and high 40's at night up there at around 5000 ft. Glassy in the AM & early afternoon, but some very nice sailing from about 2:30 on to suppertime. I kayak camped some years ago there and definitely wanted to get Pajarita in the water there this season...just in time!
Overall with that wind pattern a better lake for sail-row camp cruisers, or something like my friend Keith's Hobie Adventure Island tri with both the sail & pedal drive options (he was able to tow me in the doldrums, albeit rather slowly).
And, I think it can be breezy all day sometimes, this was just what we had for this trip. An early morning kayaker reported a bout of whitecaps on his way back to the campground at something like 9 AM the second day.
Will post a few pics when I get them off the camera. Should have taken some of my anchor placements, you can see the bottom and everything on it very clearly 30+ feet down.
cheers, John S.
On 09/28/2016 05:53 PM, Jazzy wrote:
Silence on the net!
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
On 9/29/2016 3:53 PM, John Schinnerer wrote: Hi John, There should be an open season on PWCs. Every sailor is allowed to bag two per week. At Block Island, RI, New Harbor, which years ago was a quiet peaceful place to anchor the proliferation of power boats with PWCs for their kids ruined the place. They go charging all over the harbor, using anchored sailboats as slalom poles; spilling Martinis at Happy Hour Time, and being a general nuisance. Their parents did help either with 5,000 watt loudspeakers mounted in their tuna towers providing us with garbage music, when all we wanted was quiet. That's when I gave up and became a trailer-sailor. I can go where they can't go.... Connie
Yep, no infernal combustion motors. Electric OK. I think it was 10 or 12 years ago they banned gas motors. Before that it was 10 mph or less IIRC.
I heard there are people trying to remove the ban. It's such a quiet beautiful place, the only road anywhere near it is a dead-end at the North Campground and it's away from the east shore most of the way. So hardly even any road noise, especially this late in the season. My bias of course, but I hope they keep gas motors off that lake. Please, can we have at least a few places without that noise (and without the smell and the gas and/or oil slicks, etc.).
I bonked my keel gently once too on this trip, investigating a side cove for anchoring. Board was up; looked but didn't see any significant bonkage indications now it's on the trailer again so looks like no harm done.
Yeah, no lake slime on the rudder even this time. I did have to scrub some dried slime off after four days in Fern Ridge - algae soup in some places, like Klamath lake.
cheers, John S.
On 09/29/2016 12:23 PM, Steve Trapp wrote:
John, I remember towing my M-15 up to Waldo Lake in the Oregon Cascade Mountains (or are those the Siskiyo Mountains?) about 20 years ago when I lived in Corvallis. Learned to appreciate the power of the V-6 in my Ford Ranger when towing up long grades to higher elevations, still have the M-15 and the Ford Ranger. Enjoyed the clear water, and will vouch that I could see to the bottom, but also learned to pay closer attention to the rocks, banged against a rock that was only a couple of feet below the surface, didn't damage the hull or centerboard, but the centerboard did pop up a bit, and it damaged the original wood rudder, which I repaired with fiberglas. I understand no motors are allowed on Waldo Lake now. Is that true? Was able to use my kicker outboard motor there 20 years ago. Also did not need to be concerned with saltwater or any other sort of fouling that can result from saltwater or other waters, unlike now on South Puget Sound or the other conversation currently on M-boats. Steve M-15 # 335
-----Original Message----- From: John Schinnerer Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2016 11:55 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Someone tell a story or something.. - Waldo Lake, OR
OK, was going to anyhow... :-) Just came back yesterday from three days at Waldo Lake, OR - a lovely crystal clear mountain lake with no infernal combustion motors allowed (since about 10 years ago anyhow). A paddler/sailor/rower paradise, with boat-in camping various places around the lake and three USFS campgrounds all with ramps and docks on the east side, (two just closed for the season, one still open another week or so).
You can see it on google maps satellite view/google earth...Waldo Lake, OR.
We took advantage of a handful of days of late summer heat wave to have 70's in the day and high 40's at night up there at around 5000 ft. Glassy in the AM & early afternoon, but some very nice sailing from about 2:30 on to suppertime. I kayak camped some years ago there and definitely wanted to get Pajarita in the water there this season...just in time!
Overall with that wind pattern a better lake for sail-row camp cruisers, or something like my friend Keith's Hobie Adventure Island tri with both the sail & pedal drive options (he was able to tow me in the doldrums, albeit rather slowly).
And, I think it can be breezy all day sometimes, this was just what we had for this trip. An early morning kayaker reported a bout of whitecaps on his way back to the campground at something like 9 AM the second day.
Will post a few pics when I get them off the camera. Should have taken some of my anchor placements, you can see the bottom and everything on it very clearly 30+ feet down.
cheers, John S.
On 09/28/2016 05:53 PM, Jazzy wrote:
Silence on the net!
I agree about open season on PWC's. A PWC driven by teenagers with 50,000 watt boom boxes cut tot close in front of my M-15 and I had to go HARD on my tiller and let the main sheet loose to avoid a collision, then their wake rocked my M-15, then I looked at my grand-son who was hanging on to my to my cockpit with white knuckles. I had previously offered to pay for his sailing camp, thinking those lessons would be good in his crew training, but he has not wanted to go sail with grand-pa since, and I asked the sailing school to hold my deposit until next year. I think my size 357 tool into the PWC motor would convey a message, but a friend in law enforcement advised me that my grand-son is too young to visit me in jail. Steve M-15 # 335 -----Original Message----- From: Conbert Benneck Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2016 2:59 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Someone tell a story or something.. - Waldo Lake, OR On 9/29/2016 3:53 PM, John Schinnerer wrote: Hi John, There should be an open season on PWCs. Every sailor is allowed to bag two per week. At Block Island, RI, New Harbor, which years ago was a quiet peaceful place to anchor the proliferation of power boats with PWCs for their kids ruined the place. They go charging all over the harbor, using anchored sailboats as slalom poles; spilling Martinis at Happy Hour Time, and being a general nuisance. Their parents did help either with 5,000 watt loudspeakers mounted in their tuna towers providing us with garbage music, when all we wanted was quiet. That's when I gave up and became a trailer-sailor. I can go where they can't go.... Connie
Yep, no infernal combustion motors. Electric OK. I think it was 10 or 12 years ago they banned gas motors. Before that it was 10 mph or less IIRC.
I heard there are people trying to remove the ban. It's such a quiet beautiful place, the only road anywhere near it is a dead-end at the North Campground and it's away from the east shore most of the way. So hardly even any road noise, especially this late in the season. My bias of course, but I hope they keep gas motors off that lake. Please, can we have at least a few places without that noise (and without the smell and the gas and/or oil slicks, etc.).
I bonked my keel gently once too on this trip, investigating a side cove for anchoring. Board was up; looked but didn't see any significant bonkage indications now it's on the trailer again so looks like no harm done.
Yeah, no lake slime on the rudder even this time. I did have to scrub some dried slime off after four days in Fern Ridge - algae soup in some places, like Klamath lake.
cheers, John S.
On 09/29/2016 12:23 PM, Steve Trapp wrote:
John, I remember towing my M-15 up to Waldo Lake in the Oregon Cascade Mountains (or are those the Siskiyo Mountains?) about 20 years ago when I lived in Corvallis. Learned to appreciate the power of the V-6 in my Ford Ranger when towing up long grades to higher elevations, still have the M-15 and the Ford Ranger. Enjoyed the clear water, and will vouch that I could see to the bottom, but also learned to pay closer attention to the rocks, banged against a rock that was only a couple of feet below the surface, didn't damage the hull or centerboard, but the centerboard did pop up a bit, and it damaged the original wood rudder, which I repaired with fiberglas. I understand no motors are allowed on Waldo Lake now. Is that true? Was able to use my kicker outboard motor there 20 years ago. Also did not need to be concerned with saltwater or any other sort of fouling that can result from saltwater or other waters, unlike now on South Puget Sound or the other conversation currently on M-boats. Steve M-15 # 335
-----Original Message----- From: John Schinnerer Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2016 11:55 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Someone tell a story or something.. - Waldo Lake, OR
OK, was going to anyhow... :-) Just came back yesterday from three days at Waldo Lake, OR - a lovely crystal clear mountain lake with no infernal combustion motors allowed (since about 10 years ago anyhow). A paddler/sailor/rower paradise, with boat-in camping various places around the lake and three USFS campgrounds all with ramps and docks on the east side, (two just closed for the season, one still open another week or so).
You can see it on google maps satellite view/google earth...Waldo Lake, OR.
We took advantage of a handful of days of late summer heat wave to have 70's in the day and high 40's at night up there at around 5000 ft. Glassy in the AM & early afternoon, but some very nice sailing from about 2:30 on to suppertime. I kayak camped some years ago there and definitely wanted to get Pajarita in the water there this season...just in time!
Overall with that wind pattern a better lake for sail-row camp cruisers, or something like my friend Keith's Hobie Adventure Island tri with both the sail & pedal drive options (he was able to tow me in the doldrums, albeit rather slowly).
And, I think it can be breezy all day sometimes, this was just what we had for this trip. An early morning kayaker reported a bout of whitecaps on his way back to the campground at something like 9 AM the second day.
Will post a few pics when I get them off the camera. Should have taken some of my anchor placements, you can see the bottom and everything on it very clearly 30+ feet down.
cheers, John S.
On 09/28/2016 05:53 PM, Jazzy wrote:
Silence on the net!
I agree about gas motors on Waldo Lake, they do not belong there. Felt guilty 20 years ago for using mine on the lake. Steve M-15 # 335 -----Original Message----- From: John Schinnerer Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2016 1:53 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Someone tell a story or something.. - Waldo Lake, OR Yep, no infernal combustion motors. Electric OK. I think it was 10 or 12 years ago they banned gas motors. Before that it was 10 mph or less IIRC. I heard there are people trying to remove the ban. It's such a quiet beautiful place, the only road anywhere near it is a dead-end at the North Campground and it's away from the east shore most of the way. So hardly even any road noise, especially this late in the season. My bias of course, but I hope they keep gas motors off that lake. Please, can we have at least a few places without that noise (and without the smell and the gas and/or oil slicks, etc.). I bonked my keel gently once too on this trip, investigating a side cove for anchoring. Board was up; looked but didn't see any significant bonkage indications now it's on the trailer again so looks like no harm done. Yeah, no lake slime on the rudder even this time. I did have to scrub some dried slime off after four days in Fern Ridge - algae soup in some places, like Klamath lake. cheers, John S. On 09/29/2016 12:23 PM, Steve Trapp wrote:
John, I remember towing my M-15 up to Waldo Lake in the Oregon Cascade Mountains (or are those the Siskiyo Mountains?) about 20 years ago when I lived in Corvallis. Learned to appreciate the power of the V-6 in my Ford Ranger when towing up long grades to higher elevations, still have the M-15 and the Ford Ranger. Enjoyed the clear water, and will vouch that I could see to the bottom, but also learned to pay closer attention to the rocks, banged against a rock that was only a couple of feet below the surface, didn't damage the hull or centerboard, but the centerboard did pop up a bit, and it damaged the original wood rudder, which I repaired with fiberglas. I understand no motors are allowed on Waldo Lake now. Is that true? Was able to use my kicker outboard motor there 20 years ago. Also did not need to be concerned with saltwater or any other sort of fouling that can result from saltwater or other waters, unlike now on South Puget Sound or the other conversation currently on M-boats. Steve M-15 # 335
-----Original Message----- From: John Schinnerer Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2016 11:55 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Someone tell a story or something.. - Waldo Lake, OR
OK, was going to anyhow... :-) Just came back yesterday from three days at Waldo Lake, OR - a lovely crystal clear mountain lake with no infernal combustion motors allowed (since about 10 years ago anyhow). A paddler/sailor/rower paradise, with boat-in camping various places around the lake and three USFS campgrounds all with ramps and docks on the east side, (two just closed for the season, one still open another week or so).
You can see it on google maps satellite view/google earth...Waldo Lake, OR.
We took advantage of a handful of days of late summer heat wave to have 70's in the day and high 40's at night up there at around 5000 ft. Glassy in the AM & early afternoon, but some very nice sailing from about 2:30 on to suppertime. I kayak camped some years ago there and definitely wanted to get Pajarita in the water there this season...just in time!
Overall with that wind pattern a better lake for sail-row camp cruisers, or something like my friend Keith's Hobie Adventure Island tri with both the sail & pedal drive options (he was able to tow me in the doldrums, albeit rather slowly).
And, I think it can be breezy all day sometimes, this was just what we had for this trip. An early morning kayaker reported a bout of whitecaps on his way back to the campground at something like 9 AM the second day.
Will post a few pics when I get them off the camera. Should have taken some of my anchor placements, you can see the bottom and everything on it very clearly 30+ feet down.
cheers, John S.
On 09/28/2016 05:53 PM, Jazzy wrote:
Silence on the net!
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
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