Safety Equip on your boat...
So as I'm dinking around with the electrics I can't help but think about going sailing! With this in mind, my first purchases after getting all the lighting going will be safety equipment. I live in Gig Harbor, WA. When the family is on board it will be super nice days and mild conditions. When I'm solo sailing (90% of the time), I can't even tell you the nasty stuff I've been in with my snipe and rain coat! So thats a different story. Glad to be alive. Anyway... so you see, I have two scenarios I sail under that I need to accommodate. Here's what is on my short list so far: Whistle (air horn can on board already) 2 Coastal Inflatable PFDs 1 Offshore Inflatable PFD with Harness (for me solo sailing, or when little guy is onboard- he's 13) 1 Tether 1 Emergency Blanket (onboard) 1 Handheld Radio (thinking ICOM) 2 Throwable Seat Cushions 1 Telescoping Paddle 1 Water Proof Chart of the local Area (onboard) 1 GPS Chartplotter/Sonar (onboard) Assortment of basic tools ( wrenches, pliers, screwdrivers, 3m sealer)... tell if you have something besides! 1 8lb Dansforth (onboard) Undecided about what to do about Visual Distress Signals. There are some expired flares and such on board, but that won't help with the coast guard. So I need something Next week west marine is handing back $50 bucks if you spend $300 and it just so happens to be my birthday then, so I shall reap marine presents! AND Seattle Boat Show same week! What do you all have/recommend? And if you have time...whats your potti situation? I have nothing in this area besides good balance. I apologize for my million questions, you all are very kind attending to my newbieness. -= Jazz
On 1/29/2016 10:15 PM, Jazzy wrote: Jazzy, Add a second anchor, with chain and a long rode. I liked the small Bruce type anchor, but that is dependent on the types of bottoms you have in WA. You also need spare cotter pins / locking rings; waxed whipping twine; sail needles; outboard shear pins; spare spark plug; spare fuel container; telltales for the shrouds or sails so that you can see how the wind is flowing over your sails; a flagstaff and ensign; mooring lines / fenders / fender board; pail with a lanyard; brushes and a toothbrush for cleaning; a boat hook Connie ex M15 #400 LEPPO
So as I'm dinking around with the electrics I can't help but think about going sailing! With this in mind, my first purchases after getting all the lighting going will be safety equipment.
I live in Gig Harbor, WA. When the family is on board it will be super nice days and mild conditions. When I'm solo sailing (90% of the time), I can't even tell you the nasty stuff I've been in with my snipe and rain coat! So thats a different story. Glad to be alive. Anyway... so you see, I have two scenarios I sail under that I need to accommodate.
Here's what is on my short list so far:
Whistle (air horn can on board already) 2 Coastal Inflatable PFDs 1 Offshore Inflatable PFD with Harness (for me solo sailing, or when little guy is onboard- he's 13) 1 Tether 1 Emergency Blanket (onboard) 1 Handheld Radio (thinking ICOM) 2 Throwable Seat Cushions 1 Telescoping Paddle 1 Water Proof Chart of the local Area (onboard) 1 GPS Chartplotter/Sonar (onboard) Assortment of basic tools ( wrenches, pliers, screwdrivers, 3m sealer)... tell if you have something besides! 1 8lb Dansforth (onboard)
Undecided about what to do about Visual Distress Signals. There are some expired flares and such on board, but that won't help with the coast guard. So I need something
Next week west marine is handing back $50 bucks if you spend $300 and it just so happens to be my birthday then, so I shall reap marine presents! AND Seattle Boat Show same week!
What do you all have/recommend? And if you have time...whats your potti situation? I have nothing in this area besides good balance.
I apologize for my million questions, you all are very kind attending to my newbieness.
-= Jazz
Anchor testing PDF - Yachting Monthly from 2006 - seems a more "realistic" test than the usual, and some interesting results: http://www.rocna.com/sites/default/files/press/press_0612_wm_ym_testing.pdf The Bruce type they test fares quite poorly. A "true" Danforth does very well; a West Marine Danforth knockoff does poorly. I have a Danforth type that came with Pajarita; been contemplating a Rocna as my other anchor. cheers, John S. On 01/29/2016 08:47 PM, Conbert Benneck wrote:
On 1/29/2016 10:15 PM, Jazzy wrote:
Jazzy,
Add a second anchor, with chain and a long rode. I liked the small Bruce type anchor, but that is dependent on the types of bottoms you have in WA.
You also need spare cotter pins / locking rings; waxed whipping twine; sail needles; outboard shear pins; spare spark plug; spare fuel container; telltales for the shrouds or sails so that you can see how the wind is flowing over your sails; a flagstaff and ensign; mooring lines / fenders / fender board; pail with a lanyard; brushes and a toothbrush for cleaning; a boat hook
Connie
ex M15 #400 LEPPO
So as I'm dinking around with the electrics I can't help but think about going sailing! With this in mind, my first purchases after getting all the lighting going will be safety equipment.
I live in Gig Harbor, WA. When the family is on board it will be super nice days and mild conditions. When I'm solo sailing (90% of the time), I can't even tell you the nasty stuff I've been in with my snipe and rain coat! So thats a different story. Glad to be alive. Anyway... so you see, I have two scenarios I sail under that I need to accommodate.
Here's what is on my short list so far:
Whistle (air horn can on board already) 2 Coastal Inflatable PFDs 1 Offshore Inflatable PFD with Harness (for me solo sailing, or when little guy is onboard- he's 13) 1 Tether 1 Emergency Blanket (onboard) 1 Handheld Radio (thinking ICOM) 2 Throwable Seat Cushions 1 Telescoping Paddle 1 Water Proof Chart of the local Area (onboard) 1 GPS Chartplotter/Sonar (onboard) Assortment of basic tools ( wrenches, pliers, screwdrivers, 3m sealer)... tell if you have something besides! 1 8lb Dansforth (onboard)
Undecided about what to do about Visual Distress Signals. There are some expired flares and such on board, but that won't help with the coast guard. So I need something
Next week west marine is handing back $50 bucks if you spend $300 and it just so happens to be my birthday then, so I shall reap marine presents! AND Seattle Boat Show same week!
What do you all have/recommend? And if you have time...whats your potti situation? I have nothing in this area besides good balance.
I apologize for my million questions, you all are very kind attending to my newbieness.
-= Jazz
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thanks, John, read the article. Wow! I used to have either/and a CQR or a Bruce on all my boats right up to the 36. Time to rethink things for my mighty 17 :-} <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> This email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 11:28 AM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Anchor testing PDF - Yachting Monthly from 2006 - seems a more "realistic" test than the usual, and some interesting results:
http://www.rocna.com/sites/default/files/press/press_0612_wm_ym_testing.pdf
The Bruce type they test fares quite poorly. A "true" Danforth does very well; a West Marine Danforth knockoff does poorly. I have a Danforth type that came with Pajarita; been contemplating a Rocna as my other anchor.
cheers, John S.
On 01/29/2016 08:47 PM, Conbert Benneck wrote:
On 1/29/2016 10:15 PM, Jazzy wrote:
Jazzy,
Add a second anchor, with chain and a long rode. I liked the small Bruce type anchor, but that is dependent on the types of bottoms you have in WA.
You also need spare cotter pins / locking rings; waxed whipping twine; sail needles; outboard shear pins; spare spark plug; spare fuel container; telltales for the shrouds or sails so that you can see how the wind is flowing over your sails; a flagstaff and ensign; mooring lines / fenders / fender board; pail with a lanyard; brushes and a toothbrush for cleaning; a boat hook
Connie
ex M15 #400 LEPPO
So as I'm dinking around with the electrics I can't help but think about going sailing! With this in mind, my first purchases after getting all the lighting going will be safety equipment.
I live in Gig Harbor, WA. When the family is on board it will be super nice days and mild conditions. When I'm solo sailing (90% of the time), I can't even tell you the nasty stuff I've been in with my snipe and rain coat! So thats a different story. Glad to be alive. Anyway... so you see, I have two scenarios I sail under that I need to accommodate.
Here's what is on my short list so far:
Whistle (air horn can on board already) 2 Coastal Inflatable PFDs 1 Offshore Inflatable PFD with Harness (for me solo sailing, or when little guy is onboard- he's 13) 1 Tether 1 Emergency Blanket (onboard) 1 Handheld Radio (thinking ICOM) 2 Throwable Seat Cushions 1 Telescoping Paddle 1 Water Proof Chart of the local Area (onboard) 1 GPS Chartplotter/Sonar (onboard) Assortment of basic tools ( wrenches, pliers, screwdrivers, 3m sealer)... tell if you have something besides! 1 8lb Dansforth (onboard)
Undecided about what to do about Visual Distress Signals. There are some expired flares and such on board, but that won't help with the coast guard. So I need something
Next week west marine is handing back $50 bucks if you spend $300 and it just so happens to be my birthday then, so I shall reap marine presents! AND Seattle Boat Show same week!
What do you all have/recommend? And if you have time...whats your potti situation? I have nothing in this area besides good balance.
I apologize for my million questions, you all are very kind attending to my newbieness.
-= Jazz
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Hey , Jazzy, As long as you start with the CG requirements you will be fine by adding what you personally feel will make you safer. A mirror counts as a CG signaling device and is not that expensive. Shiny Metal won't get broken. After using numerous porta potties in campers and sailboats as well as the typical marine heads which cannot be pumped overboard anymore in coastal waters I am going to try the good old folding camp "throne". You do your thing into a plastic bag held beneath you by a folding seat/frame configuration. The bag is already includes chemical waste treatment material. So all you do is close up the bag. The waste is chemically treated completely whereby you throw it into a dumpster or include it in your trash for the garbage man to pick up the next week. The plastic is odor free. Also on the top of my wish list is some sort of bimini top. It may end up being an umbrella for now but something! Good luck, Tom B <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> This email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 10:15 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
So as I'm dinking around with the electrics I can't help but think about going sailing! With this in mind, my first purchases after getting all the lighting going will be safety equipment.
I live in Gig Harbor, WA. When the family is on board it will be super nice days and mild conditions. When I'm solo sailing (90% of the time), I can't even tell you the nasty stuff I've been in with my snipe and rain coat! So thats a different story. Glad to be alive. Anyway... so you see, I have two scenarios I sail under that I need to accommodate.
Here's what is on my short list so far:
Whistle (air horn can on board already) 2 Coastal Inflatable PFDs 1 Offshore Inflatable PFD with Harness (for me solo sailing, or when little guy is onboard- he's 13) 1 Tether 1 Emergency Blanket (onboard) 1 Handheld Radio (thinking ICOM) 2 Throwable Seat Cushions 1 Telescoping Paddle 1 Water Proof Chart of the local Area (onboard) 1 GPS Chartplotter/Sonar (onboard) Assortment of basic tools ( wrenches, pliers, screwdrivers, 3m sealer)... tell if you have something besides! 1 8lb Dansforth (onboard)
Undecided about what to do about Visual Distress Signals. There are some expired flares and such on board, but that won't help with the coast guard. So I need something
Next week west marine is handing back $50 bucks if you spend $300 and it just so happens to be my birthday then, so I shall reap marine presents! AND Seattle Boat Show same week!
What do you all have/recommend? And if you have time...whats your potti situation? I have nothing in this area besides good balance.
I apologize for my million questions, you all are very kind attending to my newbieness.
-= Jazz
On 1/30/2016 10:25 AM, Thomas Buzzi wrote: Hi Tom, I made my own Bimini for our M15. It wasn't hard to do, but our intended use was just as a Bimini covering the companionway and the cockpit so that you could cook, as well as sit in the cockpit when it rained. If you want a Bimini for sun protection while sailing you have a slightly different problem. It has to be smaller; clear the main sheet at the stern; while providing sun protection for the helmsman. Mine was the simpler version. I used some Bimini fittings; some plastic pipe for the side pieces and the cross pieces; and a flat piece of Dacron sailcloth with pockets for the crosspieces. At the forward end, I fastened it to the shrouds. The aft end was tied to the aft cleats. It was easy to set up; covered the cockpit (you could leave the companionway hatch open if it rained), and was rolled up and stowed in the starboard sail locker. We used it mainly when anchored at lunchtime; or to snooze on a pleasant afternoon. Ciao, Connie
Hey , Jazzy, As long as you start with the CG requirements you will be fine by adding what you personally feel will make you safer. A mirror counts as a CG signaling device and is not that expensive. Shiny Metal won't get broken. After using numerous porta potties in campers and sailboats as well as the typical marine heads which cannot be pumped overboard anymore in coastal waters I am going to try the good old folding camp "throne". You do your thing into a plastic bag held beneath you by a folding seat/frame configuration. The bag is already includes chemical waste treatment material. So all you do is close up the bag. The waste is chemically treated completely whereby you throw it into a dumpster or include it in your trash for the garbage man to pick up the next week. The plastic is odor free. Also on the top of my wish list is some sort of bimini top. It may end up being an umbrella for now but something! Good luck, Tom B <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> This email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 10:15 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
So as I'm dinking around with the electrics I can't help but think about going sailing! With this in mind, my first purchases after getting all the lighting going will be safety equipment.
I live in Gig Harbor, WA. When the family is on board it will be super nice days and mild conditions. When I'm solo sailing (90% of the time), I can't even tell you the nasty stuff I've been in with my snipe and rain coat! So thats a different story. Glad to be alive. Anyway... so you see, I have two scenarios I sail under that I need to accommodate.
Here's what is on my short list so far:
Whistle (air horn can on board already) 2 Coastal Inflatable PFDs 1 Offshore Inflatable PFD with Harness (for me solo sailing, or when little guy is onboard- he's 13) 1 Tether 1 Emergency Blanket (onboard) 1 Handheld Radio (thinking ICOM) 2 Throwable Seat Cushions 1 Telescoping Paddle 1 Water Proof Chart of the local Area (onboard) 1 GPS Chartplotter/Sonar (onboard) Assortment of basic tools ( wrenches, pliers, screwdrivers, 3m sealer)... tell if you have something besides! 1 8lb Dansforth (onboard)
Undecided about what to do about Visual Distress Signals. There are some expired flares and such on board, but that won't help with the coast guard. So I need something
Next week west marine is handing back $50 bucks if you spend $300 and it just so happens to be my birthday then, so I shall reap marine presents! AND Seattle Boat Show same week!
What do you all have/recommend? And if you have time...whats your potti situation? I have nothing in this area besides good balance.
I apologize for my million questions, you all are very kind attending to my newbieness.
-= Jazz
Yeah, Connie, On my first 17 I went the standard three pvc cross pieces lying over the boom supporting a drop cloth with grommets. Worked well when tied up. I will definitely want one I can use while sailing. It has to be only about four feet front to back and about 6 feet wide with perhaps some roll up side curtains for lower sun angles. Can't beat that shade though down here with 90+ degrees and 85+ humidity. <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> This email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 11:38 AM, Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com> wrote:
On 1/30/2016 10:25 AM, Thomas Buzzi wrote:
Hi Tom,
I made my own Bimini for our M15.
It wasn't hard to do, but our intended use was just as a Bimini covering the companionway and the cockpit so that you could cook, as well as sit in the cockpit when it rained.
If you want a Bimini for sun protection while sailing you have a slightly different problem.
It has to be smaller; clear the main sheet at the stern; while providing sun protection for the helmsman.
Mine was the simpler version.
I used some Bimini fittings; some plastic pipe for the side pieces and the cross pieces; and a flat piece of Dacron sailcloth with pockets for the crosspieces.
At the forward end, I fastened it to the shrouds. The aft end was tied to the aft cleats.
It was easy to set up; covered the cockpit (you could leave the companionway hatch open if it rained), and was rolled up and stowed in the starboard sail locker.
We used it mainly when anchored at lunchtime; or to snooze on a pleasant afternoon.
Ciao,
Connie
Hey , Jazzy,
As long as you start with the CG requirements you will be fine by adding what you personally feel will make you safer. A mirror counts as a CG signaling device and is not that expensive. Shiny Metal won't get broken. After using numerous porta potties in campers and sailboats as well as the typical marine heads which cannot be pumped overboard anymore in coastal waters I am going to try the good old folding camp "throne". You do your thing into a plastic bag held beneath you by a folding seat/frame configuration. The bag is already includes chemical waste treatment material. So all you do is close up the bag. The waste is chemically treated completely whereby you throw it into a dumpster or include it in your trash for the garbage man to pick up the next week. The plastic is odor free. Also on the top of my wish list is some sort of bimini top. It may end up being an umbrella for now but something! Good luck, Tom B < https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaig...
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On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 10:15 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
So as I'm dinking around with the electrics I can't help but think about
going sailing! With this in mind, my first purchases after getting all the lighting going will be safety equipment.
I live in Gig Harbor, WA. When the family is on board it will be super nice days and mild conditions. When I'm solo sailing (90% of the time), I can't even tell you the nasty stuff I've been in with my snipe and rain coat! So thats a different story. Glad to be alive. Anyway... so you see, I have two scenarios I sail under that I need to accommodate.
Here's what is on my short list so far:
Whistle (air horn can on board already) 2 Coastal Inflatable PFDs 1 Offshore Inflatable PFD with Harness (for me solo sailing, or when little guy is onboard- he's 13) 1 Tether 1 Emergency Blanket (onboard) 1 Handheld Radio (thinking ICOM) 2 Throwable Seat Cushions 1 Telescoping Paddle 1 Water Proof Chart of the local Area (onboard) 1 GPS Chartplotter/Sonar (onboard) Assortment of basic tools ( wrenches, pliers, screwdrivers, 3m sealer)... tell if you have something besides! 1 8lb Dansforth (onboard)
Undecided about what to do about Visual Distress Signals. There are some expired flares and such on board, but that won't help with the coast guard. So I need something
Next week west marine is handing back $50 bucks if you spend $300 and it just so happens to be my birthday then, so I shall reap marine presents! AND Seattle Boat Show same week!
What do you all have/recommend? And if you have time...whats your potti situation? I have nothing in this area besides good balance.
I apologize for my million questions, you all are very kind attending to my newbieness.
-= Jazz
Tom, El Nino has a beautiful custom dodger and I have some info on who made it, cost etc. If you'd like I can forward. Coast Guard is where I'm starting. Coni, Thank you I've added a few things to the list! Jazz On Jan 30, 2016 8:26 AM, "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey , Jazzy, As long as you start with the CG requirements you will be fine by adding what you personally feel will make you safer. A mirror counts as a CG signaling device and is not that expensive. Shiny Metal won't get broken. After using numerous porta potties in campers and sailboats as well as the typical marine heads which cannot be pumped overboard anymore in coastal waters I am going to try the good old folding camp "throne". You do your thing into a plastic bag held beneath you by a folding seat/frame configuration. The bag is already includes chemical waste treatment material. So all you do is close up the bag. The waste is chemically treated completely whereby you throw it into a dumpster or include it in your trash for the garbage man to pick up the next week. The plastic is odor free. Also on the top of my wish list is some sort of bimini top. It may end up being an umbrella for now but something! Good luck, Tom B < https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaig...
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On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 10:15 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
So as I'm dinking around with the electrics I can't help but think about going sailing! With this in mind, my first purchases after getting all the lighting going will be safety equipment.
I live in Gig Harbor, WA. When the family is on board it will be super nice days and mild conditions. When I'm solo sailing (90% of the time), I can't even tell you the nasty stuff I've been in with my snipe and rain coat! So thats a different story. Glad to be alive. Anyway... so you see, I have two scenarios I sail under that I need to accommodate.
Here's what is on my short list so far:
Whistle (air horn can on board already) 2 Coastal Inflatable PFDs 1 Offshore Inflatable PFD with Harness (for me solo sailing, or when little guy is onboard- he's 13) 1 Tether 1 Emergency Blanket (onboard) 1 Handheld Radio (thinking ICOM) 2 Throwable Seat Cushions 1 Telescoping Paddle 1 Water Proof Chart of the local Area (onboard) 1 GPS Chartplotter/Sonar (onboard) Assortment of basic tools ( wrenches, pliers, screwdrivers, 3m sealer)... tell if you have something besides! 1 8lb Dansforth (onboard)
Undecided about what to do about Visual Distress Signals. There are some expired flares and such on board, but that won't help with the coast guard. So I need something
Next week west marine is handing back $50 bucks if you spend $300 and it just so happens to be my birthday then, so I shall reap marine presents! AND Seattle Boat Show same week!
What do you all have/recommend? And if you have time...whats your potti situation? I have nothing in this area besides good balance.
I apologize for my million questions, you all are very kind attending to my newbieness.
-= Jazz
Yes, Jazzy, I would be very interested in the El Nino literature about biminis. Thanks. You can send it to my email, thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com. <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> This email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 1:19 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Tom, El Nino has a beautiful custom dodger and I have some info on who made it, cost etc. If you'd like I can forward. Coast Guard is where I'm starting.
Coni, Thank you I've added a few things to the list!
Jazz On Jan 30, 2016 8:26 AM, "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey , Jazzy, As long as you start with the CG requirements you will be fine by adding what you personally feel will make you safer. A mirror counts as a CG signaling device and is not that expensive. Shiny Metal won't get broken. After using numerous porta potties in campers and sailboats as well as the typical marine heads which cannot be pumped overboard anymore in coastal waters I am going to try the good old folding camp "throne". You do your thing into a plastic bag held beneath you by a folding seat/frame configuration. The bag is already includes chemical waste treatment material. So all you do is close up the bag. The waste is chemically treated completely whereby you throw it into a dumpster or include it in your trash for the garbage man to pick up the next week. The plastic is odor free. Also on the top of my wish list is some sort of bimini top. It may end up being an umbrella for now but something! Good luck, Tom B <
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On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 10:15 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
So as I'm dinking around with the electrics I can't help but think about going sailing! With this in mind, my first purchases after getting all the lighting going will be safety equipment.
I live in Gig Harbor, WA. When the family is on board it will be super nice days and mild conditions. When I'm solo sailing (90% of the time), I can't even tell you the nasty stuff I've been in with my snipe and rain coat! So thats a different story. Glad to be alive. Anyway... so you see, I have two scenarios I sail under that I need to accommodate.
Here's what is on my short list so far:
Whistle (air horn can on board already) 2 Coastal Inflatable PFDs 1 Offshore Inflatable PFD with Harness (for me solo sailing, or when little guy is onboard- he's 13) 1 Tether 1 Emergency Blanket (onboard) 1 Handheld Radio (thinking ICOM) 2 Throwable Seat Cushions 1 Telescoping Paddle 1 Water Proof Chart of the local Area (onboard) 1 GPS Chartplotter/Sonar (onboard) Assortment of basic tools ( wrenches, pliers, screwdrivers, 3m sealer)... tell if you have something besides! 1 8lb Dansforth (onboard)
Undecided about what to do about Visual Distress Signals. There are some expired flares and such on board, but that won't help with the coast guard. So I need something
Next week west marine is handing back $50 bucks if you spend $300 and it just so happens to be my birthday then, so I shall reap marine presents! AND Seattle Boat Show same week!
What do you all have/recommend? And if you have time...whats your potti situation? I have nothing in this area besides good balance.
I apologize for my million questions, you all are very kind attending to my newbieness.
-= Jazz
Will do. Anyone else want it lemme know. It's not a Bimini persay..the cockpit is still open. But it encloses the area over the companionway. I'll send it shortly! It's very nicely done and I have the invoice and a magazine article about it. Jazz On Jan 30, 2016 3:59 PM, "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
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Tom, El Nino has a beautiful custom dodger and I have some info on who made it, cost etc. If you'd like I can forward. Coast Guard is where I'm starting.
Coni, Thank you I've added a few things to the list!
Jazz On Jan 30, 2016 8:26 AM, "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey , Jazzy, As long as you start with the CG requirements you will be fine by adding what you personally feel will make you safer. A mirror counts as a CG signaling device and is not that expensive. Shiny Metal won't get broken. After using numerous porta potties in campers and sailboats as well as the typical marine heads which cannot be pumped overboard anymore in coastal waters I am going to try the good old folding camp "throne". You do your thing into a plastic bag held beneath you by a folding seat/frame configuration. The bag is already includes chemical waste treatment material. So all you do is close up the bag. The waste is chemically treated completely whereby you throw it into a dumpster or include it in your trash for the garbage man to pick up the next week. The plastic is odor free. Also on the top of my wish list is some sort of bimini top. It may end up being an umbrella for now but something! Good luck, Tom B <
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On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 10:15 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
So as I'm dinking around with the electrics I can't help but think about going sailing! With this in mind, my first purchases after getting all the lighting going will be safety equipment.
I live in Gig Harbor, WA. When the family is on board it will be super nice days and mild conditions. When I'm solo sailing (90% of the time), I can't even tell you the nasty stuff I've been in with my snipe and rain coat! So thats a different story. Glad to be alive. Anyway... so you see, I have two scenarios I sail under that I need to accommodate.
Here's what is on my short list so far:
Whistle (air horn can on board already) 2 Coastal Inflatable PFDs 1 Offshore Inflatable PFD with Harness (for me solo sailing, or when little guy is onboard- he's 13) 1 Tether 1 Emergency Blanket (onboard) 1 Handheld Radio (thinking ICOM) 2 Throwable Seat Cushions 1 Telescoping Paddle 1 Water Proof Chart of the local Area (onboard) 1 GPS Chartplotter/Sonar (onboard) Assortment of basic tools ( wrenches, pliers, screwdrivers, 3m sealer)... tell if you have something besides! 1 8lb Dansforth (onboard)
Undecided about what to do about Visual Distress Signals. There are some expired flares and such on board, but that won't help with the coast guard. So I need something
Next week west marine is handing back $50 bucks if you spend $300 and it just so happens to be my birthday then, so I shall reap marine presents! AND Seattle Boat Show same week!
What do you all have/recommend? And if you have time...whats your potti situation? I have nothing in this area besides good balance.
I apologize for my million questions, you all are very kind attending to my newbieness.
-= Jazz
Sent Tom! On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 4:09 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Will do. Anyone else want it lemme know. It's not a Bimini persay..the cockpit is still open. But it encloses the area over the companionway. I'll send it shortly! It's very nicely done and I have the invoice and a magazine article about it.
Jazz On Jan 30, 2016 3:59 PM, "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes, Jazzy, I would be very interested in the El Nino literature about biminis. Thanks. You can send it to my email, thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com. < https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaig...
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On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 1:19 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Tom, El Nino has a beautiful custom dodger and I have some info on who made it, cost etc. If you'd like I can forward. Coast Guard is where I'm starting.
Coni, Thank you I've added a few things to the list!
Jazz On Jan 30, 2016 8:26 AM, "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey , Jazzy, As long as you start with the CG requirements you will be fine by adding what you personally feel will make you safer. A mirror counts as a CG signaling device and is not that expensive. Shiny Metal won't get broken. After using numerous porta potties in campers and sailboats as well as the typical marine heads which cannot be pumped overboard anymore in coastal waters I am going to try the good old folding camp "throne". You do your thing into a plastic bag held beneath you by a folding seat/frame configuration. The bag is already includes chemical waste treatment material. So all you do is close up the bag. The waste is chemically treated completely whereby you throw it into a dumpster or include it in your trash for the garbage man to pick up the next week. The plastic is odor free. Also on the top of my wish list is some sort of bimini top. It may end up being an umbrella for now but something! Good luck, Tom B <
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On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 10:15 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
So as I'm dinking around with the electrics I can't help but think about going sailing! With this in mind, my first purchases after getting all the lighting going will be safety equipment.
I live in Gig Harbor, WA. When the family is on board it will be super nice days and mild conditions. When I'm solo sailing (90% of the time), I can't even tell you the nasty stuff I've been in with my snipe and rain coat! So thats a different story. Glad to be alive. Anyway... so you see, I have two scenarios I sail under that I need to accommodate.
Here's what is on my short list so far:
Whistle (air horn can on board already) 2 Coastal Inflatable PFDs 1 Offshore Inflatable PFD with Harness (for me solo sailing, or when little guy is onboard- he's 13) 1 Tether 1 Emergency Blanket (onboard) 1 Handheld Radio (thinking ICOM) 2 Throwable Seat Cushions 1 Telescoping Paddle 1 Water Proof Chart of the local Area (onboard) 1 GPS Chartplotter/Sonar (onboard) Assortment of basic tools ( wrenches, pliers, screwdrivers, 3m sealer)... tell if you have something besides! 1 8lb Dansforth (onboard)
Undecided about what to do about Visual Distress Signals. There are some expired flares and such on board, but that won't help with the coast guard. So I need something
Next week west marine is handing back $50 bucks if you spend $300 and it just so happens to be my birthday then, so I shall reap marine presents! AND Seattle Boat Show same week!
What do you all have/recommend? And if you have time...whats your potti situation? I have nothing in this area besides good balance.
I apologize for my million questions, you all are very kind attending to my newbieness.
-= Jazz
Jazzy, Include your cell phone when you are sailing. Vessel Assist is sort of an on the water AAA, their number in South Puget Sound is 1-253-677-4165. Also 911 will put boaters in contact with appropriate agencies like the Sherriff Marine Patrol or Harbor Patrol. Steve M-15`# 335 -----Original Message----- From: Jazzy Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 8:15 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: Safety Equip on your boat... So as I'm dinking around with the electrics I can't help but think about going sailing! With this in mind, my first purchases after getting all the lighting going will be safety equipment. I live in Gig Harbor, WA. When the family is on board it will be super nice days and mild conditions. When I'm solo sailing (90% of the time), I can't even tell you the nasty stuff I've been in with my snipe and rain coat! So thats a different story. Glad to be alive. Anyway... so you see, I have two scenarios I sail under that I need to accommodate. Here's what is on my short list so far: Whistle (air horn can on board already) 2 Coastal Inflatable PFDs 1 Offshore Inflatable PFD with Harness (for me solo sailing, or when little guy is onboard- he's 13) 1 Tether 1 Emergency Blanket (onboard) 1 Handheld Radio (thinking ICOM) 2 Throwable Seat Cushions 1 Telescoping Paddle 1 Water Proof Chart of the local Area (onboard) 1 GPS Chartplotter/Sonar (onboard) Assortment of basic tools ( wrenches, pliers, screwdrivers, 3m sealer)... tell if you have something besides! 1 8lb Dansforth (onboard) Undecided about what to do about Visual Distress Signals. There are some expired flares and such on board, but that won't help with the coast guard. So I need something Next week west marine is handing back $50 bucks if you spend $300 and it just so happens to be my birthday then, so I shall reap marine presents! AND Seattle Boat Show same week! What do you all have/recommend? And if you have time...whats your potti situation? I have nothing in this area besides good balance. I apologize for my million questions, you all are very kind attending to my newbieness. -= Jazz
Some tradeoffs to consider - how many devices, which combo best meets your needs? You can get a decent low-end handheld floating VHF for around $100. Just a VHF with the basic/essential features. Or for about twice that you can get a handheld floating VHF with a bit more power and quite a bit of GPS functionality (e.g. Standard Horizon HX870). If you have a smartphone and/or tablet you can get free or cheap marine navigation apps and free chart downloads and have your GPS/chartplotter that way. Not floating or waterproof though, you'd need a soft case for them to address that part. Then there's the dedicated GPS/chart devices, hand-held or mounted. Seem pretty pricey to me considering the smartphone/tablet app options (which may also provide mobile phone functionality, IF there's a signal where you're sailing). Anyone's personal choices and experiences welcome to illuminate this subject... cheers, John S. On 01/29/2016 08:15 PM, Jazzy wrote:
So as I'm dinking around with the electrics I can't help but think about going sailing! With this in mind, my first purchases after getting all the lighting going will be safety equipment.
I live in Gig Harbor, WA. When the family is on board it will be super nice days and mild conditions. When I'm solo sailing (90% of the time), I can't even tell you the nasty stuff I've been in with my snipe and rain coat! So thats a different story. Glad to be alive. Anyway... so you see, I have two scenarios I sail under that I need to accommodate.
Here's what is on my short list so far:
Whistle (air horn can on board already) 2 Coastal Inflatable PFDs 1 Offshore Inflatable PFD with Harness (for me solo sailing, or when little guy is onboard- he's 13) 1 Tether 1 Emergency Blanket (onboard) 1 Handheld Radio (thinking ICOM) 2 Throwable Seat Cushions 1 Telescoping Paddle 1 Water Proof Chart of the local Area (onboard) 1 GPS Chartplotter/Sonar (onboard) Assortment of basic tools ( wrenches, pliers, screwdrivers, 3m sealer)... tell if you have something besides! 1 8lb Dansforth (onboard)
Undecided about what to do about Visual Distress Signals. There are some expired flares and such on board, but that won't help with the coast guard. So I need something
Next week west marine is handing back $50 bucks if you spend $300 and it just so happens to be my birthday then, so I shall reap marine presents! AND Seattle Boat Show same week!
What do you all have/recommend? And if you have time...whats your potti situation? I have nothing in this area besides good balance.
I apologize for my million questions, you all are very kind attending to my newbieness.
-= Jazz
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There is a LOT of thin water down here in South Texas so I went with the Gps/chart plotter and bought the accessory card for super detail in the Aransas area since that is where I have done most of my sailing. It is nice having the larger screen to squint at which I do not have to hold as well as the increased accurate details available as well as the multi info right there in front of you. A bit pricey but I really dislike crunching onto the shell reefs around here! Incredible noise! <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> This email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 11:54 AM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Some tradeoffs to consider - how many devices, which combo best meets your needs?
You can get a decent low-end handheld floating VHF for around $100. Just a VHF with the basic/essential features. Or for about twice that you can get a handheld floating VHF with a bit more power and quite a bit of GPS functionality (e.g. Standard Horizon HX870).
If you have a smartphone and/or tablet you can get free or cheap marine navigation apps and free chart downloads and have your GPS/chartplotter that way. Not floating or waterproof though, you'd need a soft case for them to address that part.
Then there's the dedicated GPS/chart devices, hand-held or mounted. Seem pretty pricey to me considering the smartphone/tablet app options (which may also provide mobile phone functionality, IF there's a signal where you're sailing).
Anyone's personal choices and experiences welcome to illuminate this subject...
cheers, John S.
On 01/29/2016 08:15 PM, Jazzy wrote:
So as I'm dinking around with the electrics I can't help but think about going sailing! With this in mind, my first purchases after getting all the lighting going will be safety equipment.
I live in Gig Harbor, WA. When the family is on board it will be super nice days and mild conditions. When I'm solo sailing (90% of the time), I can't even tell you the nasty stuff I've been in with my snipe and rain coat! So thats a different story. Glad to be alive. Anyway... so you see, I have two scenarios I sail under that I need to accommodate.
Here's what is on my short list so far:
Whistle (air horn can on board already) 2 Coastal Inflatable PFDs 1 Offshore Inflatable PFD with Harness (for me solo sailing, or when little guy is onboard- he's 13) 1 Tether 1 Emergency Blanket (onboard) 1 Handheld Radio (thinking ICOM) 2 Throwable Seat Cushions 1 Telescoping Paddle 1 Water Proof Chart of the local Area (onboard) 1 GPS Chartplotter/Sonar (onboard) Assortment of basic tools ( wrenches, pliers, screwdrivers, 3m sealer)... tell if you have something besides! 1 8lb Dansforth (onboard)
Undecided about what to do about Visual Distress Signals. There are some expired flares and such on board, but that won't help with the coast guard. So I need something
Next week west marine is handing back $50 bucks if you spend $300 and it just so happens to be my birthday then, so I shall reap marine presents! AND Seattle Boat Show same week!
What do you all have/recommend? And if you have time...whats your potti situation? I have nothing in this area besides good balance.
I apologize for my million questions, you all are very kind attending to my newbieness.
-= Jazz
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I would go with 2 tethers and 2 inflatable pfds with harnesses. You want to keep both you and your crew on board. Think about what the young guy would face if you want overboard suddenly leaving him alone on the boat. You will also need to install some stout, dedicated attachment points in the cockpit, at the mast and at the bow. I have found jacklines to be less than ideal on our small boats having tried them both on my 17 and 23 (they were great however on the Passport 42 I crewed down to mexico). With three attachment points i find it easy to move from one to the other quickly with very little unclipped transition time. I regularly sail our M23 offshore with a firm rule of always tethered outside the cockpit, in the cockpit in rough conditions or in the cockpit alone or at night. The only time I think I would string the jacklines would be if I were to do an overnight or longer offshore sail. Also, I would definitely keep some good visual distress signals (both hand held and aerial on board. Another personal rule is no one under 18 crosses the bar in my boat although you won't face that hazard sailing out of Gig Harbor. That's my 2¢ to add to the list you've already started. On Jan 29, 2016 20:16, "Jazzy" <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
So as I'm dinking around with the electrics I can't help but think about going sailing! With this in mind, my first purchases after getting all the lighting going will be safety equipment.
I live in Gig Harbor, WA. When the family is on board it will be super nice days and mild conditions. When I'm solo sailing (90% of the time), I can't even tell you the nasty stuff I've been in with my snipe and rain coat! So thats a different story. Glad to be alive. Anyway... so you see, I have two scenarios I sail under that I need to accommodate.
Here's what is on my short list so far:
Whistle (air horn can on board already) 2 Coastal Inflatable PFDs 1 Offshore Inflatable PFD with Harness (for me solo sailing, or when little guy is onboard- he's 13) 1 Tether 1 Emergency Blanket (onboard) 1 Handheld Radio (thinking ICOM) 2 Throwable Seat Cushions 1 Telescoping Paddle 1 Water Proof Chart of the local Area (onboard) 1 GPS Chartplotter/Sonar (onboard) Assortment of basic tools ( wrenches, pliers, screwdrivers, 3m sealer)... tell if you have something besides! 1 8lb Dansforth (onboard)
Undecided about what to do about Visual Distress Signals. There are some expired flares and such on board, but that won't help with the coast guard. So I need something
Next week west marine is handing back $50 bucks if you spend $300 and it just so happens to be my birthday then, so I shall reap marine presents! AND Seattle Boat Show same week!
What do you all have/recommend? And if you have time...whats your potti situation? I have nothing in this area besides good balance.
I apologize for my million questions, you all are very kind attending to my newbieness.
-= Jazz
Thank you for your worthy 2 cents! You're right. Two clip on it is. Jazz On Jan 30, 2016 8:00 PM, "Mark Dvorscak" <mdvorscak56@gmail.com> wrote:
I would go with 2 tethers and 2 inflatable pfds with harnesses. You want to keep both you and your crew on board. Think about what the young guy would face if you want overboard suddenly leaving him alone on the boat. You will also need to install some stout, dedicated attachment points in the cockpit, at the mast and at the bow. I have found jacklines to be less than ideal on our small boats having tried them both on my 17 and 23 (they were great however on the Passport 42 I crewed down to mexico). With three attachment points i find it easy to move from one to the other quickly with very little unclipped transition time. I regularly sail our M23 offshore with a firm rule of always tethered outside the cockpit, in the cockpit in rough conditions or in the cockpit alone or at night. The only time I think I would string the jacklines would be if I were to do an overnight or longer offshore sail. Also, I would definitely keep some good visual distress signals (both hand held and aerial on board. Another personal rule is no one under 18 crosses the bar in my boat although you won't face that hazard sailing out of Gig Harbor. That's my 2¢ to add to the list you've already started. On Jan 29, 2016 20:16, "Jazzy" <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
So as I'm dinking around with the electrics I can't help but think about going sailing! With this in mind, my first purchases after getting all the lighting going will be safety equipment.
I live in Gig Harbor, WA. When the family is on board it will be super nice days and mild conditions. When I'm solo sailing (90% of the time), I can't even tell you the nasty stuff I've been in with my snipe and rain coat! So thats a different story. Glad to be alive. Anyway... so you see, I have two scenarios I sail under that I need to accommodate.
Here's what is on my short list so far:
Whistle (air horn can on board already) 2 Coastal Inflatable PFDs 1 Offshore Inflatable PFD with Harness (for me solo sailing, or when little guy is onboard- he's 13) 1 Tether 1 Emergency Blanket (onboard) 1 Handheld Radio (thinking ICOM) 2 Throwable Seat Cushions 1 Telescoping Paddle 1 Water Proof Chart of the local Area (onboard) 1 GPS Chartplotter/Sonar (onboard) Assortment of basic tools ( wrenches, pliers, screwdrivers, 3m sealer)... tell if you have something besides! 1 8lb Dansforth (onboard)
Undecided about what to do about Visual Distress Signals. There are some expired flares and such on board, but that won't help with the coast guard. So I need something
Next week west marine is handing back $50 bucks if you spend $300 and it just so happens to be my birthday then, so I shall reap marine presents! AND Seattle Boat Show same week!
What do you all have/recommend? And if you have time...whats your potti situation? I have nothing in this area besides good balance.
I apologize for my million questions, you all are very kind attending to my newbieness.
-= Jazz
On 01/30/2016 08:00 PM, Mark Dvorscak wrote:
I would go with 2 tethers and 2 inflatable pfds with harnesses.
I never can understand how someone will trust their life to a G-string of theoretically inflatable nylon with a mechanism that might not work in a true emergency required to make it function. A.k.a "inflatable PFDs. I recommend "real" class III PFDs that always work as long as you are wearing them properly - no inflation needed. Modern class III PFDs are sleek, slim, secure, can be bought with safety tether harness/attachment built in, restrict movement minimally if at all, are not bulky and clunky, often have some handy pockets and clip points for knife, radio, etc.. This opinion comes from my experience as a paddlesports instructor and recreational paddler - canoe, kayak, outrigger; still, moving, white, and ocean waters. Here's a paddlesports professional's analysis - most of what he identifies as additional risks applies IMO to sailing as well - sometimes same reasons, sometimes variations (there's no spray skirt in use on a sailboat but there are other potential complications). http://www.exploreri.org/documents/How_about_those_inflatable_PFDs.pdf I've only used harness and tether on one occasion, on a Corsair 31 tri. The skipper rigged a webbing jackline around the deck (which is the cabin top) perimeter, more like safety lines on a kayak deck. No stanchions, and with the tether on me, I sure would not have wanted to deal with them. Just keeping it free of the winches, clutches, etc. was enough trouble. cheers, John S.
keep both you and your crew on board. Think about what the young guy would face if you want overboard suddenly leaving him alone on the boat. You will also need to install some stout, dedicated attachment points in the cockpit, at the mast and at the bow. I have found jacklines to be less than ideal on our small boats having tried them both on my 17 and 23 (they were great however on the Passport 42 I crewed down to mexico). With three attachment points i find it easy to move from one to the other quickly with very little unclipped transition time. I regularly sail our M23 offshore with a firm rule of always tethered outside the cockpit, in the cockpit in rough conditions or in the cockpit alone or at night. The only time I think I would string the jacklines would be if I were to do an overnight or longer offshore sail. Also, I would definitely keep some good visual distress signals (both hand held and aerial on board. Another personal rule is no one under 18 crosses the bar in my boat although you won't face that hazard sailing out of Gig Harbor. That's my 2¢ to add to the list you've already started. On Jan 29, 2016 20:16, "Jazzy" <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
So as I'm dinking around with the electrics I can't help but think about going sailing! With this in mind, my first purchases after getting all the lighting going will be safety equipment.
I live in Gig Harbor, WA. When the family is on board it will be super nice days and mild conditions. When I'm solo sailing (90% of the time), I can't even tell you the nasty stuff I've been in with my snipe and rain coat! So thats a different story. Glad to be alive. Anyway... so you see, I have two scenarios I sail under that I need to accommodate.
Here's what is on my short list so far:
Whistle (air horn can on board already) 2 Coastal Inflatable PFDs 1 Offshore Inflatable PFD with Harness (for me solo sailing, or when little guy is onboard- he's 13) 1 Tether 1 Emergency Blanket (onboard) 1 Handheld Radio (thinking ICOM) 2 Throwable Seat Cushions 1 Telescoping Paddle 1 Water Proof Chart of the local Area (onboard) 1 GPS Chartplotter/Sonar (onboard) Assortment of basic tools ( wrenches, pliers, screwdrivers, 3m sealer)... tell if you have something besides! 1 8lb Dansforth (onboard)
Undecided about what to do about Visual Distress Signals. There are some expired flares and such on board, but that won't help with the coast guard. So I need something
Next week west marine is handing back $50 bucks if you spend $300 and it just so happens to be my birthday then, so I shall reap marine presents! AND Seattle Boat Show same week!
What do you all have/recommend? And if you have time...whats your potti situation? I have nothing in this area besides good balance.
I apologize for my million questions, you all are very kind attending to my newbieness.
-= Jazz
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Have to agree about "analog" pfd's. I don't want anything that can fail when I need it. I only wear flotation that does not require inflation when hitting the water. Class III pfd's for me. Knife in the left breast zip so I know where it is in case I need to cut myself free. Daniel Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 30, 2016, at 10:08 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
On 01/30/2016 08:00 PM, Mark Dvorscak wrote: I would go with 2 tethers and 2 inflatable pfds with harnesses.
I never can understand how someone will trust their life to a G-string of theoretically inflatable nylon with a mechanism that might not work in a true emergency required to make it function. A.k.a "inflatable PFDs.
I recommend "real" class III PFDs that always work as long as you are wearing them properly - no inflation needed. Modern class III PFDs are sleek, slim, secure, can be bought with safety tether harness/attachment built in, restrict movement minimally if at all, are not bulky and clunky, often have some handy pockets and clip points for knife, radio, etc..
This opinion comes from my experience as a paddlesports instructor and recreational paddler - canoe, kayak, outrigger; still, moving, white, and ocean waters. Here's a paddlesports professional's analysis - most of what he identifies as additional risks applies IMO to sailing as well - sometimes same reasons, sometimes variations (there's no spray skirt in use on a sailboat but there are other potential complications). http://www.exploreri.org/documents/How_about_those_inflatable_PFDs.pdf
I've only used harness and tether on one occasion, on a Corsair 31 tri. The skipper rigged a webbing jackline around the deck (which is the cabin top) perimeter, more like safety lines on a kayak deck. No stanchions, and with the tether on me, I sure would not have wanted to deal with them. Just keeping it free of the winches, clutches, etc. was enough trouble.
cheers, John S.
keep both you and your crew on board. Think about what the young guy would face if you want overboard suddenly leaving him alone on the boat. You will also need to install some stout, dedicated attachment points in the cockpit, at the mast and at the bow. I have found jacklines to be less than ideal on our small boats having tried them both on my 17 and 23 (they were great however on the Passport 42 I crewed down to mexico). With three attachment points i find it easy to move from one to the other quickly with very little unclipped transition time. I regularly sail our M23 offshore with a firm rule of always tethered outside the cockpit, in the cockpit in rough conditions or in the cockpit alone or at night. The only time I think I would string the jacklines would be if I were to do an overnight or longer offshore sail. Also, I would definitely keep some good visual distress signals (both hand held and aerial on board. Another personal rule is no one under 18 crosses the bar in my boat although you won't face that hazard sailing out of Gig Harbor. That's my 2¢ to add to the list you've already started.
On Jan 29, 2016 20:16, "Jazzy" <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
So as I'm dinking around with the electrics I can't help but think about going sailing! With this in mind, my first purchases after getting all the lighting going will be safety equipment.
I live in Gig Harbor, WA. When the family is on board it will be super nice days and mild conditions. When I'm solo sailing (90% of the time), I can't even tell you the nasty stuff I've been in with my snipe and rain coat! So thats a different story. Glad to be alive. Anyway... so you see, I have two scenarios I sail under that I need to accommodate.
Here's what is on my short list so far:
Whistle (air horn can on board already) 2 Coastal Inflatable PFDs 1 Offshore Inflatable PFD with Harness (for me solo sailing, or when little guy is onboard- he's 13) 1 Tether 1 Emergency Blanket (onboard) 1 Handheld Radio (thinking ICOM) 2 Throwable Seat Cushions 1 Telescoping Paddle 1 Water Proof Chart of the local Area (onboard) 1 GPS Chartplotter/Sonar (onboard) Assortment of basic tools ( wrenches, pliers, screwdrivers, 3m sealer)... tell if you have something besides! 1 8lb Dansforth (onboard)
Undecided about what to do about Visual Distress Signals. There are some expired flares and such on board, but that won't help with the coast guard. So I need something
Next week west marine is handing back $50 bucks if you spend $300 and it just so happens to be my birthday then, so I shall reap marine presents! AND Seattle Boat Show same week!
What do you all have/recommend? And if you have time...whats your potti situation? I have nothing in this area besides good balance.
I apologize for my million questions, you all are very kind attending to my newbieness.
-= Jazz
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
It's often too hot when/where I sail to wear a foam type PFD, and being overheated is a safety concern. I carry both on board, but I consider the PFD secondary to the tether/jackline system, which I don't find to get in the way on my M15, with so little deck hardware. Tyler
On Jan 30, 2016, at 10:08 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
On 01/30/2016 08:00 PM, Mark Dvorscak wrote:
I would go with 2 tethers and 2 inflatable pfds with harnesses.
I never can understand how someone will trust their life to a G-string of theoretically inflatable nylon with a mechanism that might not work in a true emergency required to make it function. A.k.a "inflatable PFDs.
I recommend "real" class III PFDs that always work as long as you are wearing them properly - no inflation needed. Modern class III PFDs are sleek, slim, secure, can be bought with safety tether harness/attachment built in, restrict movement minimally if at all, are not bulky and clunky, often have some handy pockets and clip points for knife, radio, etc..
This opinion comes from my experience as a paddlesports instructor and recreational paddler - canoe, kayak, outrigger; still, moving, white, and ocean waters. Here's a paddlesports professional's analysis - most of what he identifies as additional risks applies IMO to sailing as well - sometimes same reasons, sometimes variations (there's no spray skirt in use on a sailboat but there are other potential complications). http://www.exploreri.org/documents/How_about_those_inflatable_PFDs.pdf
I've only used harness and tether on one occasion, on a Corsair 31 tri. The skipper rigged a webbing jackline around the deck (which is the cabin top) perimeter, more like safety lines on a kayak deck. No stanchions, and with the tether on me, I sure would not have wanted to deal with them. Just keeping it free of the winches, clutches, etc. was enough trouble.
cheers, John S.
I have been using these, not auto, for a number of years both in my kayak and on my Monty. Food for thought. <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> This email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 12:08 AM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
On 01/30/2016 08:00 PM, Mark Dvorscak wrote:
I would go with 2 tethers and 2 inflatable pfds with harnesses.
I never can understand how someone will trust their life to a G-string of theoretically inflatable nylon with a mechanism that might not work in a true emergency required to make it function. A.k.a "inflatable PFDs.
I recommend "real" class III PFDs that always work as long as you are wearing them properly - no inflation needed. Modern class III PFDs are sleek, slim, secure, can be bought with safety tether harness/attachment built in, restrict movement minimally if at all, are not bulky and clunky, often have some handy pockets and clip points for knife, radio, etc..
This opinion comes from my experience as a paddlesports instructor and recreational paddler - canoe, kayak, outrigger; still, moving, white, and ocean waters. Here's a paddlesports professional's analysis - most of what he identifies as additional risks applies IMO to sailing as well - sometimes same reasons, sometimes variations (there's no spray skirt in use on a sailboat but there are other potential complications). http://www.exploreri.org/documents/How_about_those_inflatable_PFDs.pdf
I've only used harness and tether on one occasion, on a Corsair 31 tri. The skipper rigged a webbing jackline around the deck (which is the cabin top) perimeter, more like safety lines on a kayak deck. No stanchions, and with the tether on me, I sure would not have wanted to deal with them. Just keeping it free of the winches, clutches, etc. was enough trouble.
cheers, John S.
keep both you and your crew on board. Think about what the young guy would
face if you want overboard suddenly leaving him alone on the boat. You will also need to install some stout, dedicated attachment points in the cockpit, at the mast and at the bow. I have found jacklines to be less than ideal on our small boats having tried them both on my 17 and 23 (they were great however on the Passport 42 I crewed down to mexico). With three attachment points i find it easy to move from one to the other quickly with very little unclipped transition time. I regularly sail our M23 offshore with a firm rule of always tethered outside the cockpit, in the cockpit in rough conditions or in the cockpit alone or at night. The only time I think I would string the jacklines would be if I were to do an overnight or longer offshore sail. Also, I would definitely keep some good visual distress signals (both hand held and aerial on board. Another personal rule is no one under 18 crosses the bar in my boat although you won't face that hazard sailing out of Gig Harbor. That's my 2¢ to add to the list you've already started. On Jan 29, 2016 20:16, "Jazzy" <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
So as I'm dinking around with the electrics I can't help but think about
going sailing! With this in mind, my first purchases after getting all the lighting going will be safety equipment.
I live in Gig Harbor, WA. When the family is on board it will be super nice days and mild conditions. When I'm solo sailing (90% of the time), I can't even tell you the nasty stuff I've been in with my snipe and rain coat! So thats a different story. Glad to be alive. Anyway... so you see, I have two scenarios I sail under that I need to accommodate.
Here's what is on my short list so far:
Whistle (air horn can on board already) 2 Coastal Inflatable PFDs 1 Offshore Inflatable PFD with Harness (for me solo sailing, or when little guy is onboard- he's 13) 1 Tether 1 Emergency Blanket (onboard) 1 Handheld Radio (thinking ICOM) 2 Throwable Seat Cushions 1 Telescoping Paddle 1 Water Proof Chart of the local Area (onboard) 1 GPS Chartplotter/Sonar (onboard) Assortment of basic tools ( wrenches, pliers, screwdrivers, 3m sealer)... tell if you have something besides! 1 8lb Dansforth (onboard)
Undecided about what to do about Visual Distress Signals. There are some expired flares and such on board, but that won't help with the coast guard. So I need something
Next week west marine is handing back $50 bucks if you spend $300 and it just so happens to be my birthday then, so I shall reap marine presents! AND Seattle Boat Show same week!
What do you all have/recommend? And if you have time...whats your potti situation? I have nothing in this area besides good balance.
I apologize for my million questions, you all are very kind attending to my newbieness.
-= Jazz
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design
- Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
Tom if you meant to send me a pfd link or pic...I'm not seeing it. Believe it or not I'm having a hard time finding pfd with harness that's not auto. So if you know of something link me! Jazz
Jazz, Just upgraded my own safety gear yesterday. Found some decent stuff at competitive prices (believe it or not) at West Marine.com. Also some really nice (read comfortable) 16.5 lb flotation vests at NRS.com pfd's. I went with kayak style vests PFD type 3 CG approved because they are much more comfortable and less confining than the boxy standard bright orange things. NRS also has theirs lined with a netting that is supposed to allow air to flow beneath them, very important down here in the deep south. The combination(built in) jacket/safety belt items cost more than I wanted to spend. If you don't have one already I recommend visiting a West Marine store and picking up one of their telephone book sized catalogs. They are a wealth of information and they handle enough different brand names of items to be able to go to that company's website and comparison shop. Also on the web you will get other companies that deal with the same item. You can spend a whole day (I almost did) just shopping the web for what you want. Never heard of NRS before yesterday but they have some very impressive equipment, for example. Happy shopping. <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> This email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 9:01 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Tom if you meant to send me a pfd link or pic...I'm not seeing it. Believe it or not I'm having a hard time finding pfd with harness that's not auto. So if you know of something link me! Jazz
NRS has good stuff generally. A long standing paddlesports supplier (rafting, kayaking, canoeing, now SUP also). Their "house brand" (NRS brand) sometimes provides similar quality to better known name brands at a slightly lower price. cheers, John S. On 02/01/2016 06:58 AM, Thomas Buzzi wrote:
Jazz, Just upgraded my own safety gear yesterday. Found some decent stuff at competitive prices (believe it or not) at West Marine.com. Also some really nice (read comfortable) 16.5 lb flotation vests at NRS.com pfd's. I went with kayak style vests PFD type 3 CG approved because they are much more comfortable and less confining than the boxy standard bright orange things. NRS also has theirs lined with a netting that is supposed to allow air to flow beneath them, very important down here in the deep south. The combination(built in) jacket/safety belt items cost more than I wanted to spend. If you don't have one already I recommend visiting a West Marine store and picking up one of their telephone book sized catalogs. They are a wealth of information and they handle enough different brand names of items to be able to go to that company's website and comparison shop. Also on the web you will get other companies that deal with the same item. You can spend a whole day (I almost did) just shopping the web for what you want. Never heard of NRS before yesterday but they have some very impressive equipment, for example. Happy shopping. <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> This email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 9:01 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Tom if you meant to send me a pfd link or pic...I'm not seeing it. Believe it or not I'm having a hard time finding pfd with harness that's not auto. So if you know of something link me! Jazz
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
haven't seen much more discussion about flares ... carry them! smoke for daytime and bright for night (some will do both). there is a new electric flare (not smoke) available which means you don't need to buy new flares every few years. https://siriussignal.com/ for pyrotechnic flares ALWAYS look at the expiration ESPECIALLY when seeing them on sale. i've found flares for sale that expire in just months or already expired. i always dig through the stock and find the ones with the longest use time. for PDFs buy one you will wear ALL THE TIME and ALWAYS were when under way and when at the dock alone. me, i'm fine with the auto-inflate type. -- :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com
Now there is a product who's time has come! <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> This email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 12:59 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
haven't seen much more discussion about flares ... carry them! smoke for daytime and bright for night (some will do both). there is a new electric flare (not smoke) available which means you don't need to buy new flares every few years.
for pyrotechnic flares ALWAYS look at the expiration ESPECIALLY when seeing them on sale. i've found flares for sale that expire in just months or already expired. i always dig through the stock and find the ones with the longest use time.
for PDFs buy one you will wear ALL THE TIME and ALWAYS were when under way and when at the dock alone. me, i'm fine with the auto-inflate type.
-- :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com
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