I'm kind of thinking about a cover for the M15. I've been using a tarp over the mast, but I'd kind of like a custom cover. Any ideas? Vendors? Prices?
For mast down (on trailer) coverage, a 10'x16' canvas tarp perfectly covers the M15, will last years and survive strong winds, looks good, and only costs about $80. I am experimenting with using two smaller canvas tarps to cover my S17 mast up, not sure how well that will work.... Sailors Tailor makes excellent quality covers and already knows M boats if you're willing to pay for it. I have one for my Catalina 22 and aren't very happy with how much work it is to put the cover on- it's really large and heavy. If it was in smaller pieces that could be put on one at a time, that would make it way faster and easier I think. Sincerely, Tyler Sage 17 #0 Goshawk ----- Original Message ----- From: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Cc: "Lawrence Winiarski" <lawrence_winiarski@yahoo.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2023 4:08:01 PM Subject: M_Boats: Cover ideas for M15? I'm kind of thinking about a cover for the M15. I've been using a tarp over the mast, but I'd kind of like a custom cover. Any ideas? Vendors? Prices?
I just ordered a cover from the Sailor’s Tailor for an M17. They gave me an option to add Velcro and tie downs for a removable skirt when sitting in my driveway. Plan on between $600-$800, or more depending on options. Chris J. Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 7, 2023, at 7:08 PM, Lawrence Winiarski via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
I'm kind of thinking about a cover for the M15. I've been using a tarp over the mast, but I'd kind of like a custom cover.
Any ideas? Vendors? Prices?
Hi I am looking for the height of the rudder head stock above the rear transom. If anyone has a M17 with original rudder set up, I sincerely appreciate if you could provide what I am calling "Dimension A" on my attached sketch. Backstory: The rudder had a bit of rot which I chased out with thickened epoxy, epoxy primered and marine top side painted. I failed to accurately record the location of the pintle type rudder fixtures. Upon reassembly, I had a few binding issues. I have removed and disassembled the rudder and am working through the binding issues. If anyone has a sketch of a completed rudder assembly with dimensions I would love a copy. Thank you, TJ de Lacy M17 hull 333
I can measure mine later this week, next time I go sail...not sure when, maybe Thursday or Friday. But someone else may get to it sooner. Mine is not actually "original" in that my M17, #38 from 1974, came with a two-pintle counterbalanced rudder, not the later sliding three-gudgeon rudder. However I have retrofitted a three-gudgeon sliding rudder, so I can use either (pending repositioning the pintles on the two-pintle rudder to match the top and bottom two of the three gudgeons). As long as the tiller clears the transom with a bit to spare, functionally should be fine. Height doesn't have to exactly match some particular other boat, does it? cheers, John On 7/31/23 20:03, tdelacy@wavecable.com wrote:
Hi I am looking for the height of the rudder head stock above the rear transom.
If anyone has a M17 with original rudder set up, I sincerely appreciate if you could provide what I am calling "Dimension A" on my attached sketch.
Backstory: The rudder had a bit of rot which I chased out with thickened epoxy, epoxy primered and marine top side painted. I failed to accurately record the location of the pintle type rudder fixtures. Upon reassembly, I had a few binding issues. I have removed and disassembled the rudder and am working through the binding issues.
If anyone has a sketch of a completed rudder assembly with dimensions I would love a copy.
Thank you,
TJ de Lacy M17 hull 333
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Thank you John. With respect to clearance, I believe you are correct. My last install had the tiller just impacting the rod. I would like to move rudder head stock higher. Just want to double check my boundaries with other boats and have a piece of mind that I am in the ball park. TJ de Lacy M17 #333 ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Schinnerer via montgomery_boats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> To: "montgomery boats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Cc: "John Schinnerer" <john@eco-living.net> Sent: Monday, July 31, 2023 9:48:59 PM Subject: M_Boats: Re: M17 Rudder dimensions I can measure mine later this week, next time I go sail...not sure when, maybe Thursday or Friday. But someone else may get to it sooner. Mine is not actually "original" in that my M17, #38 from 1974, came with a two-pintle counterbalanced rudder, not the later sliding three-gudgeon rudder. However I have retrofitted a three-gudgeon sliding rudder, so I can use either (pending repositioning the pintles on the two-pintle rudder to match the top and bottom two of the three gudgeons). As long as the tiller clears the transom with a bit to spare, functionally should be fine. Height doesn't have to exactly match some particular other boat, does it? cheers, John On 7/31/23 20:03, tdelacy@wavecable.com wrote:
Hi I am looking for the height of the rudder head stock above the rear transom.
If anyone has a M17 with original rudder set up, I sincerely appreciate if you could provide what I am calling "Dimension A" on my attached sketch.
Backstory: The rudder had a bit of rot which I chased out with thickened epoxy, epoxy primered and marine top side painted. I failed to accurately record the location of the pintle type rudder fixtures. Upon reassembly, I had a few binding issues. I have removed and disassembled the rudder and am working through the binding issues.
If anyone has a sketch of a completed rudder assembly with dimensions I would love a copy.
Thank you,
TJ de Lacy M17 hull 333
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
OK I went sailing yesterday...forgot to take a ruler or tape measure but did a biometric measure with my hand (fancy name for using body parts to measure :-) and then put a ruler on it when I got home. So this is approximate but within 1/8 - 1/4 inch I would say. Dimension "A" on my M17 is about 4 1/4 inches (top of transom to top of rudder). The clearance between top of transom and bottom of tiller is about 1 inch. HTH, John On 7/31/23 20:03, tdelacy@wavecable.com wrote:
Hi I am looking for the height of the rudder head stock above the rear transom.
If anyone has a M17 with original rudder set up, I sincerely appreciate if you could provide what I am calling "Dimension A" on my attached sketch.
Backstory: The rudder had a bit of rot which I chased out with thickened epoxy, epoxy primered and marine top side painted. I failed to accurately record the location of the pintle type rudder fixtures. Upon reassembly, I had a few binding issues. I have removed and disassembled the rudder and am working through the binding issues.
If anyone has a sketch of a completed rudder assembly with dimensions I would love a copy.
Thank you,
TJ de Lacy M17 hull 333
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
Thank you John, According to my model, I need 5 1/16 for the tiller to clear the sliding rudder rod and I have 1 13/16 clearance between the tiller and the top of the transom. So ... I may be in the big league ball park but not the T-ball ball park. I still have 31 1/2" of rudder beneath the keel. TJ de Lacy M17 #333 -----Original Message----- From: John Schinnerer via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, August 3, 2023 11:08 AM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Cc: John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> Subject: M_Boats: Re: M17 Rudder dimensions OK I went sailing yesterday...forgot to take a ruler or tape measure but did a biometric measure with my hand (fancy name for using body parts to measure :-) and then put a ruler on it when I got home. So this is approximate but within 1/8 - 1/4 inch I would say. Dimension "A" on my M17 is about 4 1/4 inches (top of transom to top of rudder). The clearance between top of transom and bottom of tiller is about 1 inch. HTH, John On 7/31/23 20:03, tdelacy@wavecable.com wrote:
Hi I am looking for the height of the rudder head stock above the rear transom.
If anyone has a M17 with original rudder set up, I sincerely appreciate if you could provide what I am calling "Dimension A" on my attached sketch.
Backstory: The rudder had a bit of rot which I chased out with thickened epoxy, epoxy primered and marine top side painted. I failed to accurately record the location of the pintle type rudder fixtures. Upon reassembly, I had a few binding issues. I have removed and disassembled the rudder and am working through the binding issues.
If anyone has a sketch of a completed rudder assembly with dimensions I would love a copy.
Thank you,
TJ de Lacy M17 hull 333
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
As long as it works...! Not sure what you mean about tiller clearance for the sliding rudder rod? In my setup the top of the rod is just a bit above the top gudgeon. Nowhere near the top of the transom or anywhere it could interfere with tiller. cheers, John On 8/3/23 20:57, tdelacy@wavecable.com wrote:
Thank you John,
According to my model, I need 5 1/16 for the tiller to clear the sliding rudder rod and I have 1 13/16 clearance between the tiller and the top of the transom.
So ... I may be in the big league ball park but not the T-ball ball park.
I still have 31 1/2" of rudder beneath the keel.
TJ de Lacy M17 #333
-----Original Message----- From: John Schinnerer via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, August 3, 2023 11:08 AM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Cc: John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> Subject: M_Boats: Re: M17 Rudder dimensions
OK I went sailing yesterday...forgot to take a ruler or tape measure but did a biometric measure with my hand (fancy name for using body parts to measure :-) and then put a ruler on it when I got home. So this is approximate but within 1/8 - 1/4 inch I would say.
Dimension "A" on my M17 is about 4 1/4 inches (top of transom to top of rudder).
The clearance between top of transom and bottom of tiller is about 1 inch.
HTH, John
On 7/31/23 20:03, tdelacy@wavecable.com wrote:
Hi I am looking for the height of the rudder head stock above the rear transom.
If anyone has a M17 with original rudder set up, I sincerely appreciate if you could provide what I am calling "Dimension A" on my attached sketch.
Backstory: The rudder had a bit of rot which I chased out with thickened epoxy, epoxy primered and marine top side painted. I failed to accurately record the location of the pintle type rudder fixtures. Upon reassembly, I had a few binding issues. I have removed and disassembled the rudder and am working through the binding issues.
If anyone has a sketch of a completed rudder assembly with dimensions I would love a copy.
Thank you,
TJ de Lacy M17 hull 333
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
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Tim Delacy