I have to agree with Dan. The grammer (grammar) thing is getting old. I have learned a lot from this list, and have enjoyed the sailing stories, but enough is enough. I fly helicopters for a living and am attracted to helicopter stuff on the net. Go to http://www.justhelicopters.com/frontpage.html, then to the "forum", and see if you would like our site to degenerate to the point of that one! Love to all, Tom M-17 Wild Hare