Hi: The bottom of my M15 is in great shape except where the previous owner scraped a small portion of the keel; I guess from beaching the boat. What type of paint can I use on the fiberglass to touch it up and protect it. I’ve been using a white gel coat to touch up scratches pete Sent from my iPhone
Pete: The only things that will work below the waterline is gel coat or choosing to apply antifouling bottom paint. Topsides paint, like Brightside cannot sent much time under water. With antifoul comes decision of barrier coat or no barrier coat before antifoul, shooting the waterline + 2", lifting the boat dropping the centerboard, sanding, more sanding etc. IMO paint on a couple of coats of some good gel coat (assuming you have access to a source, know about adding wax so the gel coat for the last coat so it will cure) with a brush to protect the resin and fiberglass (neither of these being able to withstand UV) and call it good when standing 20' away. (If you want nice smooth and shiny you will need to do a LOT of sanding after applying three coats of gel coat going from 400g up to 1500+ grit - and if you sand thru the gel coat starting over after rough sanding the area again with 120-150g and again applying more coats of gel coat.) :: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/ On Fri, Jul 24, 2020, 4:30 PM Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Hi: The bottom of my M15 is in great shape except where the previous owner scraped a small portion of the keel; I guess from beaching the boat. What type of paint can I use on the fiberglass to touch it up and protect it. I’ve been using a white gel coat to touch up scratches pete
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One other choice for bottom paint is the non-antifoul paint VC Performace Epoxy. Very tough and durable, great for trailering, is scrubbable, and with a teflon component, seems to be very fast. I've used it on CornDog for years and can recommend it. On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 5:00 PM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Pete:
The only things that will work below the waterline is gel coat or choosing to apply antifouling bottom paint. Topsides paint, like Brightside cannot sent much time under water.
With antifoul comes decision of barrier coat or no barrier coat before antifoul, shooting the waterline + 2", lifting the boat dropping the centerboard, sanding, more sanding etc.
IMO paint on a couple of coats of some good gel coat (assuming you have access to a source, know about adding wax so the gel coat for the last coat so it will cure) with a brush to protect the resin and fiberglass (neither of these being able to withstand UV) and call it good when standing 20' away. (If you want nice smooth and shiny you will need to do a LOT of sanding after applying three coats of gel coat going from 400g up to 1500+ grit - and if you sand thru the gel coat starting over after rough sanding the area again with 120-150g and again applying more coats of gel coat.)
:: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/
On Fri, Jul 24, 2020, 4:30 PM Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Hi: The bottom of my M15 is in great shape except where the previous owner scraped a small portion of the keel; I guess from beaching the boat. What type of paint can I use on the fiberglass to touch it up and protect it. I’ve been using a white gel coat to touch up scratches pete
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yea, what Larry said On Friday, July 24, 2020, 05:54:55 PM PDT, Larry Yake <larryyake@gmail.com> wrote: One other choice for bottom paint is the non-antifoul paint VC Performace Epoxy. Very tough and durable, great for trailering, is scrubbable, and with a teflon component, seems to be very fast. I've used it on CornDog for years and can recommend it. On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 5:00 PM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Pete:
The only things that will work below the waterline is gel coat or choosing to apply antifouling bottom paint. Topsides paint, like Brightside cannot sent much time under water.
With antifoul comes decision of barrier coat or no barrier coat before antifoul, shooting the waterline + 2", lifting the boat dropping the centerboard, sanding, more sanding etc.
IMO paint on a couple of coats of some good gel coat (assuming you have access to a source, know about adding wax so the gel coat for the last coat so it will cure) with a brush to protect the resin and fiberglass (neither of these being able to withstand UV) and call it good when standing 20' away. (If you want nice smooth and shiny you will need to do a LOT of sanding after applying three coats of gel coat going from 400g up to 1500+ grit - and if you sand thru the gel coat starting over after rough sanding the area again with 120-150g and again applying more coats of gel coat.)
:: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/
On Fri, Jul 24, 2020, 4:30 PM Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Hi: The bottom of my M15 is in great shape except where the previous owner scraped a small portion of the keel; I guess from beaching the boat. What type of paint can I use on the fiberglass to touch it up and protect it. I’ve been using a white gel coat to touch up scratches pete
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Thanks everybody Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 24, 2020, at 18:59, Stan Susman <stanpfa@pacbell.net> wrote:
yea, what Larry said On Friday, July 24, 2020, 05:54:55 PM PDT, Larry Yake <larryyake@gmail.com> wrote:
One other choice for bottom paint is the non-antifoul paint VC Performace Epoxy. Very tough and durable, great for trailering, is scrubbable, and with a teflon component, seems to be very fast. I've used it on CornDog for years and can recommend it.
On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 5:00 PM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Pete:
The only things that will work below the waterline is gel coat or choosing to apply antifouling bottom paint. Topsides paint, like Brightside cannot sent much time under water.
With antifoul comes decision of barrier coat or no barrier coat before antifoul, shooting the waterline + 2", lifting the boat dropping the centerboard, sanding, more sanding etc.
IMO paint on a couple of coats of some good gel coat (assuming you have access to a source, know about adding wax so the gel coat for the last coat so it will cure) with a brush to protect the resin and fiberglass (neither of these being able to withstand UV) and call it good when standing 20' away. (If you want nice smooth and shiny you will need to do a LOT of sanding after applying three coats of gel coat going from 400g up to 1500+ grit - and if you sand thru the gel coat starting over after rough sanding the area again with 120-150g and again applying more coats of gel coat.)
:: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/
On Fri, Jul 24, 2020, 4:30 PM Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Hi: The bottom of my M15 is in great shape except where the previous owner scraped a small portion of the keel; I guess from beaching the boat. What type of paint can I use on the fiberglass to touch it up and protect it. I’ve been using a white gel coat to touch up scratches pete
Sent from my iPhone
Our M23 came with VC 17 bottom paint. It was worthless for a boat left in salt water for months on end. It had to be completely removed before applying other bottom paint because nothing will stick to it. Stripping the bottom of an M23 is not a small job! Think carefully about how to will use your boat before applying it. It'll be fine for a trailered boat that doesn't spend more than a few weeks in salt water. Also fine in fresh water where barnacles aren't a problem. My 2¢ from my own experience. Mark Dvorscak M23 Faith (actually sending this from the cabin of Faith as the wind howls outside) On Fri, Jul 24, 2020, 17:55 Larry Yake <larryyake@gmail.com> wrote:
One other choice for bottom paint is the non-antifoul paint VC Performace Epoxy. Very tough and durable, great for trailering, is scrubbable, and with a teflon component, seems to be very fast. I've used it on CornDog for years and can recommend it.
On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 5:00 PM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Pete:
The only things that will work below the waterline is gel coat or choosing to apply antifouling bottom paint. Topsides paint, like Brightside cannot sent much time under water.
With antifoul comes decision of barrier coat or no barrier coat before antifoul, shooting the waterline + 2", lifting the boat dropping the centerboard, sanding, more sanding etc.
IMO paint on a couple of coats of some good gel coat (assuming you have access to a source, know about adding wax so the gel coat for the last coat so it will cure) with a brush to protect the resin and fiberglass (neither of these being able to withstand UV) and call it good when standing 20' away. (If you want nice smooth and shiny you will need to do a LOT of sanding after applying three coats of gel coat going from 400g up to 1500+ grit - and if you sand thru the gel coat starting over after rough sanding the area again with 120-150g and again applying more coats of gel coat.)
:: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/
On Fri, Jul 24, 2020, 4:30 PM Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Hi: The bottom of my M15 is in great shape except where the previous owner scraped a small portion of the keel; I guess from beaching the boat. What type of paint can I use on the fiberglass to touch it up and protect it. I’ve been using a white gel coat to touch up scratches pete
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Would love to be out in my boat right now with the wind howling. Thanks for the 2c worth. Pete WinterSky (Zimowsky) outdoors writer and photographer www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> Twitter: @zimosoutdoors The clearest way into the Universe is through a forest wilderness – John Muir
On Jul 24, 2020, at 8:22 PM, Mark Dvorscak <mdvorscak56@gmail.com> wrote:
Our M23 came with VC 17 bottom paint. It was worthless for a boat left in salt water for months on end. It had to be completely removed before applying other bottom paint because nothing will stick to it. Stripping the bottom of an M23 is not a small job! Think carefully about how to will use your boat before applying it. It'll be fine for a trailered boat that doesn't spend more than a few weeks in salt water. Also fine in fresh water where barnacles aren't a problem. My 2¢ from my own experience. Mark Dvorscak M23 Faith (actually sending this from the cabin of Faith as the wind howls outside)
On Fri, Jul 24, 2020, 17:55 Larry Yake <larryyake@gmail.com> wrote:
One other choice for bottom paint is the non-antifoul paint VC Performace Epoxy. Very tough and durable, great for trailering, is scrubbable, and with a teflon component, seems to be very fast. I've used it on CornDog for years and can recommend it.
On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 5:00 PM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Pete:
The only things that will work below the waterline is gel coat or choosing to apply antifouling bottom paint. Topsides paint, like Brightside cannot sent much time under water.
With antifoul comes decision of barrier coat or no barrier coat before antifoul, shooting the waterline + 2", lifting the boat dropping the centerboard, sanding, more sanding etc.
IMO paint on a couple of coats of some good gel coat (assuming you have access to a source, know about adding wax so the gel coat for the last coat so it will cure) with a brush to protect the resin and fiberglass (neither of these being able to withstand UV) and call it good when standing 20' away. (If you want nice smooth and shiny you will need to do a LOT of sanding after applying three coats of gel coat going from 400g up to 1500+ grit - and if you sand thru the gel coat starting over after rough sanding the area again with 120-150g and again applying more coats of gel coat.)
:: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/
On Fri, Jul 24, 2020, 4:30 PM Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Hi: The bottom of my M15 is in great shape except where the previous owner scraped a small portion of the keel; I guess from beaching the boat. What type of paint can I use on the fiberglass to touch it up and protect it. I’ve been using a white gel coat to touch up scratches pete
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VC17 and VC Performance Epoxy are different products. VC17 is an paint for low fouling waters and you mix in copper just before application. Interesting stuff to apply that you need to be careful around when cleaning the boat as any chemical thinner will remove much of the paint. As Mark wrote it is really hard to ever get anything else to stick to the hull (except marine growth in moderate to high fouling waters). VC Performance Epoxy reads like a below waterline catalyzed paint with no antifouling properties. Stan knows Interlux products (he was a rep) and Larry had used it on his boat (I've not used the product but have used VC17). Details - (opens a PDF download data sheet on Performance Epoxy) http://www.yachtpaint.com/LiteratureCentre/vc-performance-epoxy-brochure.pdf :: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/ On Fri, Jul 24, 2020, 8:13 PM Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Would love to be out in my boat right now with the wind howling. Thanks for the 2c worth. Pete WinterSky (Zimowsky)
outdoors writer and photographer www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> Twitter: @zimosoutdoors
The clearest way into the Universe is through a forest wilderness – John Muir
On Jul 24, 2020, at 8:22 PM, Mark Dvorscak <mdvorscak56@gmail.com> wrote:
Our M23 came with VC 17 bottom paint. It was worthless for a boat left in salt water for months on end. It had to be completely removed before applying other bottom paint because nothing will stick to it. Stripping the bottom of an M23 is not a small job! Think carefully about how to will use your boat before applying it. It'll be fine for a trailered boat that doesn't spend more than a few weeks in salt water. Also fine in fresh water where barnacles aren't a problem. My 2¢ from my own experience. Mark Dvorscak M23 Faith (actually sending this from the cabin of Faith as the wind howls outside)
On Fri, Jul 24, 2020, 17:55 Larry Yake <larryyake@gmail.com> wrote:
One other choice for bottom paint is the non-antifoul paint VC Performace Epoxy. Very tough and durable, great for trailering, is scrubbable, and with a teflon component, seems to be very fast. I've used it on CornDog for years and can recommend it.
On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 5:00 PM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Pete:
The only things that will work below the waterline is gel coat or choosing to apply antifouling bottom paint. Topsides paint, like Brightside cannot sent much time under water.
With antifoul comes decision of barrier coat or no barrier coat before antifoul, shooting the waterline + 2", lifting the boat dropping the centerboard, sanding, more sanding etc.
IMO paint on a couple of coats of some good gel coat (assuming you have access to a source, know about adding wax so the gel coat for the last coat so it will cure) with a brush to protect the resin and fiberglass (neither of these being able to withstand UV) and call it good when standing 20' away. (If you want nice smooth and shiny you will need to do a LOT of sanding after applying three coats of gel coat going from 400g up to 1500+ grit - and if you sand thru the gel coat starting over after rough sanding the area again with 120-150g and again applying more coats of gel coat.)
:: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/
On Fri, Jul 24, 2020, 4:30 PM Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Hi: The bottom of my M15 is in great shape except where the previous owner scraped a small portion of the keel; I guess from beaching the boat. What type of paint can I use on the fiberglass to touch it up and protect it. I’ve been using a white gel coat to touch up scratches pete
Sent from my iPhone
VC 17 and VC Performance Epoxy are different products. The Epoxy has no anti-fouling at all and best for a trailered boat with limited time left in the water. I've had my boat in salt water for up to three weeks with it and whatever slime or growth there was comes off fine with a good washdown. The Epoxy is a good tough two part paint that holds up for years. The VC 17 is a much thinner coating and would not be a good touch up paint. It does provide some anti-fouling when applied over a bottom in good condition, but like Mark said, not for long term in salt water. On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 7:23 PM Mark Dvorscak <mdvorscak56@gmail.com> wrote:
Our M23 came with VC 17 bottom paint. It was worthless for a boat left in salt water for months on end. It had to be completely removed before applying other bottom paint because nothing will stick to it. Stripping the bottom of an M23 is not a small job! Think carefully about how to will use your boat before applying it. It'll be fine for a trailered boat that doesn't spend more than a few weeks in salt water. Also fine in fresh water where barnacles aren't a problem. My 2¢ from my own experience. Mark Dvorscak M23 Faith (actually sending this from the cabin of Faith as the wind howls outside)
On Fri, Jul 24, 2020, 17:55 Larry Yake <larryyake@gmail.com> wrote:
One other choice for bottom paint is the non-antifoul paint VC Performace Epoxy. Very tough and durable, great for trailering, is scrubbable, and with a teflon component, seems to be very fast. I've used it on CornDog for years and can recommend it.
On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 5:00 PM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Pete:
The only things that will work below the waterline is gel coat or choosing to apply antifouling bottom paint. Topsides paint, like Brightside cannot sent much time under water.
With antifoul comes decision of barrier coat or no barrier coat before antifoul, shooting the waterline + 2", lifting the boat dropping the centerboard, sanding, more sanding etc.
IMO paint on a couple of coats of some good gel coat (assuming you have access to a source, know about adding wax so the gel coat for the last coat so it will cure) with a brush to protect the resin and fiberglass (neither of these being able to withstand UV) and call it good when standing 20' away. (If you want nice smooth and shiny you will need to do a LOT of sanding after applying three coats of gel coat going from 400g up to 1500+ grit - and if you sand thru the gel coat starting over after rough sanding the area again with 120-150g and again applying more coats of gel coat.)
:: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/
On Fri, Jul 24, 2020, 4:30 PM Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Hi: The bottom of my M15 is in great shape except where the previous owner scraped a small portion of the keel; I guess from beaching the boat. What type of paint can I use on the fiberglass to touch it up and protect it. I’ve been using a white gel coat to touch up scratches pete
Sent from my iPhone
Hi all: Don’t laugh at this question. The VC Performance Epoxy comes in too big of cans for the job I need. I’m afraid if I open the cans and just do the small job, I’ll end up wasting $60 to $80 worth of epoxy. Don’t know if it will keep after the can is opened and then resealed. Anyway, the boaters on the Wooden Boat thread say they use Appliance Spray Epoxy in a spray can to do small jobs on fiberglass. It’s tough enough for a refrigerator? OK, I’m a dud when it comes to handyman type stuff. Is this a bad idea. Pete WinterSky (Zimowsky) outdoors writer and photographer www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> Twitter: @zimosoutdoors The clearest way into the Universe is through a forest wilderness – John Muir
On Jul 25, 2020, at 8:56 AM, Larry Yake <larryyake@gmail.com> wrote:
VC 17 and VC Performance Epoxy are different products. The Epoxy has no anti-fouling at all and best for a trailered boat with limited time left in the water. I've had my boat in salt water for up to three weeks with it and whatever slime or growth there was comes off fine with a good washdown. The Epoxy is a good tough two part paint that holds up for years. The VC 17 is a much thinner coating and would not be a good touch up paint. It does provide some anti-fouling when applied over a bottom in good condition, but like Mark said, not for long term in salt water.
On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 7:23 PM Mark Dvorscak <mdvorscak56@gmail.com> wrote:
Our M23 came with VC 17 bottom paint. It was worthless for a boat left in salt water for months on end. It had to be completely removed before applying other bottom paint because nothing will stick to it. Stripping the bottom of an M23 is not a small job! Think carefully about how to will use your boat before applying it. It'll be fine for a trailered boat that doesn't spend more than a few weeks in salt water. Also fine in fresh water where barnacles aren't a problem. My 2¢ from my own experience. Mark Dvorscak M23 Faith (actually sending this from the cabin of Faith as the wind howls outside)
On Fri, Jul 24, 2020, 17:55 Larry Yake <larryyake@gmail.com> wrote:
One other choice for bottom paint is the non-antifoul paint VC Performace Epoxy. Very tough and durable, great for trailering, is scrubbable, and with a teflon component, seems to be very fast. I've used it on CornDog for years and can recommend it.
On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 5:00 PM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Pete:
The only things that will work below the waterline is gel coat or choosing to apply antifouling bottom paint. Topsides paint, like Brightside cannot sent much time under water.
With antifoul comes decision of barrier coat or no barrier coat before antifoul, shooting the waterline + 2", lifting the boat dropping the centerboard, sanding, more sanding etc.
IMO paint on a couple of coats of some good gel coat (assuming you have access to a source, know about adding wax so the gel coat for the last coat so it will cure) with a brush to protect the resin and fiberglass (neither of these being able to withstand UV) and call it good when standing 20' away. (If you want nice smooth and shiny you will need to do a LOT of sanding after applying three coats of gel coat going from 400g up to 1500+ grit - and if you sand thru the gel coat starting over after rough sanding the area again with 120-150g and again applying more coats of gel coat.)
:: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/
On Fri, Jul 24, 2020, 4:30 PM Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Hi: The bottom of my M15 is in great shape except where the previous owner scraped a small portion of the keel; I guess from beaching the boat. What type of paint can I use on the fiberglass to touch it up and protect it. I’ve been using a white gel coat to touch up scratches pete
Sent from my iPhone
I've had good luck resealing the cans and using small amounts over time. On Sat, Aug 1, 2020 at 3:22 PM Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Hi all: Don’t laugh at this question. The VC Performance Epoxy comes in too big of cans for the job I need. I’m afraid if I open the cans and just do the small job, I’ll end up wasting $60 to $80 worth of epoxy. Don’t know if it will keep after the can is opened and then resealed. Anyway, the boaters on the Wooden Boat thread say they use Appliance Spray Epoxy in a spray can to do small jobs on fiberglass. It’s tough enough for a refrigerator? OK, I’m a dud when it comes to handyman type stuff. Is this a bad idea.
Pete WinterSky (Zimowsky)
outdoors writer and photographer www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> Twitter: @zimosoutdoors
The clearest way into the Universe is through a forest wilderness – John Muir
On Jul 25, 2020, at 8:56 AM, Larry Yake <larryyake@gmail.com> wrote:
VC 17 and VC Performance Epoxy are different products. The Epoxy has no anti-fouling at all and best for a trailered boat with limited time left in the water. I've had my boat in salt water for up to three weeks with it and whatever slime or growth there was comes off fine with a good washdown. The Epoxy is a good tough two part paint that holds up for years. The VC 17 is a much thinner coating and would not be a good touch up paint. It does provide some anti-fouling when applied over a bottom in good condition, but like Mark said, not for long term in salt water.
On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 7:23 PM Mark Dvorscak <mdvorscak56@gmail.com> wrote:
Our M23 came with VC 17 bottom paint. It was worthless for a boat left in salt water for months on end. It had to be completely removed before applying other bottom paint because nothing will stick to it. Stripping the bottom of an M23 is not a small job! Think carefully about how to will use your boat before applying it. It'll be fine for a trailered boat that doesn't spend more than a few weeks in salt water. Also fine in fresh water where barnacles aren't a problem. My 2¢ from my own experience. Mark Dvorscak M23 Faith (actually sending this from the cabin of Faith as the wind howls outside)
On Fri, Jul 24, 2020, 17:55 Larry Yake <larryyake@gmail.com> wrote:
One other choice for bottom paint is the non-antifoul paint VC Performace Epoxy. Very tough and durable, great for trailering, is scrubbable, and with a teflon component, seems to be very fast. I've used it on CornDog for years and can recommend it.
On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 5:00 PM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Pete:
The only things that will work below the waterline is gel coat or choosing to apply antifouling bottom paint. Topsides paint, like Brightside cannot sent much time under water.
With antifoul comes decision of barrier coat or no barrier coat before antifoul, shooting the waterline + 2", lifting the boat dropping the centerboard, sanding, more sanding etc.
IMO paint on a couple of coats of some good gel coat (assuming you have access to a source, know about adding wax so the gel coat for the last coat so it will cure) with a brush to protect the resin and fiberglass (neither of these being able to withstand UV) and call it good when standing 20' away. (If you want nice smooth and shiny you will need to do a LOT of sanding after applying three coats of gel coat going from 400g up to 1500+ grit - and if you sand thru the gel coat starting over after rough sanding the area again with 120-150g and again applying more coats of gel coat.)
:: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/
On Fri, Jul 24, 2020, 4:30 PM Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Hi: The bottom of my M15 is in great shape except where the previous owner scraped a small portion of the keel; I guess from beaching the boat. What type of paint can I use on the fiberglass to touch it up and protect it. I’ve been using a white gel coat to touch up scratches pete
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Hi all: That’s what I wanted to hear. I’ll go that route. Really appreciate you guys putting up with a novice. I was a surfer in my younger days and did a lot of fiberglass work. I’m no stranger to all this stuff. Just boat bottoms. Pete WinterSky (Zimowsky) outdoors writer and photographer www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> Twitter: @zimosoutdoors The clearest way into the Universe is through a forest wilderness – John Muir
On Aug 1, 2020, at 6:41 PM, Larry Yake <larryyake@gmail.com> wrote:
I've had good luck resealing the cans and using small amounts over time.
On Sat, Aug 1, 2020 at 3:22 PM Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com <mailto:montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>> wrote: Hi all: Don’t laugh at this question. The VC Performance Epoxy comes in too big of cans for the job I need. I’m afraid if I open the cans and just do the small job, I’ll end up wasting $60 to $80 worth of epoxy. Don’t know if it will keep after the can is opened and then resealed. Anyway, the boaters on the Wooden Boat thread say they use Appliance Spray Epoxy in a spray can to do small jobs on fiberglass. It’s tough enough for a refrigerator? OK, I’m a dud when it comes to handyman type stuff. Is this a bad idea.
Pete WinterSky (Zimowsky)
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On Jul 25, 2020, at 8:56 AM, Larry Yake <larryyake@gmail.com <mailto:larryyake@gmail.com>> wrote:
VC 17 and VC Performance Epoxy are different products. The Epoxy has no anti-fouling at all and best for a trailered boat with limited time left in the water. I've had my boat in salt water for up to three weeks with it and whatever slime or growth there was comes off fine with a good washdown. The Epoxy is a good tough two part paint that holds up for years. The VC 17 is a much thinner coating and would not be a good touch up paint. It does provide some anti-fouling when applied over a bottom in good condition, but like Mark said, not for long term in salt water.
On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 7:23 PM Mark Dvorscak <mdvorscak56@gmail.com <mailto:mdvorscak56@gmail.com>> wrote:
Our M23 came with VC 17 bottom paint. It was worthless for a boat left in salt water for months on end. It had to be completely removed before applying other bottom paint because nothing will stick to it. Stripping the bottom of an M23 is not a small job! Think carefully about how to will use your boat before applying it. It'll be fine for a trailered boat that doesn't spend more than a few weeks in salt water. Also fine in fresh water where barnacles aren't a problem. My 2¢ from my own experience. Mark Dvorscak M23 Faith (actually sending this from the cabin of Faith as the wind howls outside)
On Fri, Jul 24, 2020, 17:55 Larry Yake <larryyake@gmail.com <mailto:larryyake@gmail.com>> wrote:
One other choice for bottom paint is the non-antifoul paint VC Performace Epoxy. Very tough and durable, great for trailering, is scrubbable, and with a teflon component, seems to be very fast. I've used it on CornDog for years and can recommend it.
On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 5:00 PM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com <mailto:scoobscobie@gmail.com>> wrote:
Pete:
The only things that will work below the waterline is gel coat or choosing to apply antifouling bottom paint. Topsides paint, like Brightside cannot sent much time under water.
With antifoul comes decision of barrier coat or no barrier coat before antifoul, shooting the waterline + 2", lifting the boat dropping the centerboard, sanding, more sanding etc.
IMO paint on a couple of coats of some good gel coat (assuming you have access to a source, know about adding wax so the gel coat for the last coat so it will cure) with a brush to protect the resin and fiberglass (neither of these being able to withstand UV) and call it good when standing 20' away. (If you want nice smooth and shiny you will need to do a LOT of sanding after applying three coats of gel coat going from 400g up to 1500+ grit - and if you sand thru the gel coat starting over after rough sanding the area again with 120-150g and again applying more coats of gel coat.)
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On Fri, Jul 24, 2020, 4:30 PM Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com <mailto:montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>> wrote:
Hi: The bottom of my M15 is in great shape except where the previous owner scraped a small portion of the keel; I guess from beaching the boat. What type of paint can I use on the fiberglass to touch it up and protect it. I’ve been using a white gel coat to touch up scratches pete
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I redid the keel on my M15 with a can of two part evercoat gel coat, and it's holding up great seven years later. It was really easy to use, basically the same as painting. I never sanded it or used any wax, just rolled it on and left it like that- it's fairly smooth. Sincerely, Tyler ----- Original Message ----- From: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 4:29:35 PM Subject: M_Boats: Touch up paint? Hi: The bottom of my M15 is in great shape except where the previous owner scraped a small portion of the keel; I guess from beaching the boat. What type of paint can I use on the fiberglass to touch it up and protect it. I’ve been using a white gel coat to touch up scratches pete
There are two Evercoat 'gel kote' products. One is 'laminating gel coat to permanently repair or replace original, high-glass finish. The product cures to a tacky finish for re-coating. Evercoat Mold Release (# 105685) must be used to attain a fully cured surface'. The second is One Step Finish Gel-Kote that 'does not require Evercoat Mold Release (#105685) to attain a fully-cured surface.' :: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/ On Fri, Jul 24, 2020, 7:44 PM <casioqv@usermail.com> wrote:
I redid the keel on my M15 with a can of two part evercoat gel coat, and it's holding up great seven years later. It was really easy to use, basically the same as painting. I never sanded it or used any wax, just rolled it on and left it like that- it's fairly smooth.
Sincerely, Tyler
----- Original Message ----- From: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 4:29:35 PM Subject: M_Boats: Touch up paint?
Hi: The bottom of my M15 is in great shape except where the previous owner scraped a small portion of the keel; I guess from beaching the boat. What type of paint can I use on the fiberglass to touch it up and protect it. I’ve been using a white gel coat to touch up scratches pete
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