I'm going to take a *rare *exception to some of Dave Scobies advice on this subject. Getting the Trailer deeper into the water will make a *huge* difference. I have a 1984 vintage M15, on an original Trail-Rite trailer. I never had trouble getting the boat on squarely until last Fall. Same ramp, where I'd put in 5 times before. It did the same thing the next two times I used it, even when I was being careful to line the boat up. In frustration, I backed the trailer deeper into the water, and the boat came straight onto the trailer. Will trunk guides solve this as well? I don't know. But I'd be willing to bet that if you got your trailer Deeper into the water, that *would* solve your problem. On my ramp (12.5% grade) I need to nearly wet my front tire treads to get the boat to go onto the trailer right. I am looking to make a trailer extension soon. Because to launch, I am burying too much of the rear end of my car to do my launches. -Kevin M15 Piccolo (Hull #296) On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 11:00 AM, < montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
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1. Problems (doug) 2. Re: Problems (Michael Carter) 3. Re: Problems (Dave Scobie) 4. Re: Problems (Janice Smith) 5. Re: Problems (doug) 6. Re: Problems (doug) 7. Re: Problems (doug) 8. Re: Problems (Dave Scobie) 9. Re: Problems (Thomas Buzzi) 10. Re: Problems (Lawrence Winiarski) 11. Re: Problems (Conbert Benneck) 12. Re: Problems (doug) 13. Re: Problems (Dave Scobie) 14. Re: Problems (Mike Z) 15. Re: Problems (Doug)
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Message: 1 Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2018 18:40:11 -0700 From: doug <doug9326@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: Problems Message-ID: <3D829297-B102-44CB-B1CC-E98532A3C089@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
I took my M-15 out for the day today on a nice lake in Oregon. But I discovered some issues that I need help on. The biggest one was getting the boat back on the trailer. It seems that the outboard weighs the boat to the starboard where it is mounted. With that small lean to starboard, the boat would not move up into the trailer in a balanced way. That ended up making it impossible to get the boat onto the trailer with the shoal draft keel resting on the rubber runners down the middle of the trailer. Instead the boat came out of the water with the keel resting outside the center of the trailer where its supposed to rest. I got in the lake several times trying to center the boat on the trailer. Am I missing something?
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Message: 2 Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2018 20:17:36 -0600 From: Michael Carter <carterconsultants@comcast.net> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Problems Message-ID: <CAH21DUvwsax73Fobh_jN3L_9RBNBYp+kQjdE-uKgoV3_+1UZMA@ mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Doug,
I suggest you check your bunk board alignment and make sure they are snugged down tightly. That was the issue when I had a problem similar to what you describe. I had a 28-lb. Honda 2 hp, so anything that small and light shouldn't be a factor. If you have something significantly larger perhaps that could interfere with proper alignment.
Mike
On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 7:40 PM, doug <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
I took my M-15 out for the day today on a nice lake in Oregon. But I discovered some issues that I need help on. The biggest one was getting the boat back on the trailer. It seems that the outboard weighs the boat to the starboard where it is mounted. With that small lean to starboard, the boat would not move up into the trailer in a balanced way. That ended up making it impossible to get the boat onto the trailer with the shoal draft keel resting on the rubber runners down the middle of the trailer. Instead the boat came out of the water with the keel resting outside the center of the trailer where its supposed to rest. I got in the lake several times trying to center the boat on the trailer. Am I missing something?
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Message: 3 Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2018 19:20:51 -0700 From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Problems Message-ID: <CAGjBOA5dA1b5z8rCXh2LC5cR41X6W5ezTpCRWvOA6W9SA+xh0g@mail. gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
How far into the water were the trailer bunks? So far in that the boat was floating above the trailer? Or did you need to pull the boat the final two or so feet onto the trailer (so the bow was testing against the trailer bow stop)?
What motor do you have? A Honda 2 or 2.3 doesn't cause the boat to list (and is more than enough motor for the M15).
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
On Sun, Jul 8, 2018, 6:40 PM doug <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
I took my M-15 out for the day today on a nice lake in Oregon. But I discovered some issues that I need help on. The biggest one was getting the boat back on the trailer. It seems that the outboard weighs the boat to the starboard where it is mounted. With that small lean to starboard, the boat would not move up into the trailer in a balanced way. That ended up making it impossible to get the boat onto the trailer with the shoal draft keel resting on the rubber runners down the middle of the trailer. Instead the boat came out of the water with the keel resting outside the center of the trailer where its supposed to rest. I got in the lake several times trying to center the boat on the trailer. Am I missing something?
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Message: 4 Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2018 19:05:37 -0700 From: Janice Smith <smithrj@gorge.net> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Problems Message-ID: <771F0E6F-AC9B-4652-9D06-AE1D5672BA1D@gorge.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Do you have a trailer extension?
Sent from my iPad
On Jul 8, 2018, at 6:40 PM, doug <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
I took my M-15 out for the day today on a nice lake in Oregon. But I discovered some issues that I need help on. The biggest one was getting the boat back on the trailer. It seems that the outboard weighs the boat to the starboard where it is mounted. With that small lean to starboard, the boat would not move up into the trailer in a balanced way. That ended up making it impossible to get the boat onto the trailer with the shoal draft keel resting on the rubber runners down the middle of the trailer. Instead the boat came out of the water with the keel resting outside the center of the trailer where its supposed to rest. I got in the lake several times trying to center the boat on the trailer. Am I missing something?
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Message: 5 Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2018 20:14:59 -0700 From: doug <doug9326@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Problems Message-ID: <4C67A44A-31BF-436F-8D8F-605F362FF958@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
I have a 4 stroke Honda 2hp. I did position the vehicle so that the boat came about two thirds up the trailer and then I winched it the rest of the way. When I re-did this, I tried to float the boat to center on the trailer but it always seemed like the boat wanted to list to one side which made it off center on the trailer.
On Jul 8, 2018, at 7:20 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
How far into the water were the trailer bunks? So far in that the boat was floating above the trailer? Or did you need to pull the boat the final two or so feet onto the trailer (so the bow was testing against the trailer bow stop)?
What motor do you have? A Honda 2 or 2.3 doesn't cause the boat to list (and is more than enough motor for the M15).
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
On Sun, Jul 8, 2018, 6:40 PM doug <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
I took my M-15 out for the day today on a nice lake in Oregon. But I discovered some issues that I need help on. The biggest one was getting the boat back on the trailer. It seems that the outboard weighs the boat to the starboard where it is mounted. With that small lean to starboard, the boat would not move up into the trailer in a balanced way. That ended up making it impossible to get the boat onto the trailer with the shoal draft keel resting on the rubber runners down the middle of the trailer. Instead the boat came out of the water with the keel resting outside the center of the trailer where its supposed to rest. I got in the lake several times trying to center the boat on the trailer. Am I missing something?
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Message: 6 Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2018 20:16:12 -0700 From: doug <doug9326@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Problems Message-ID: <CDAB8F1F-ACA0-42BC-8960-78B6826895D9@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
No I don?t have an extension. Do I need one. I have been thinking about it due to the shallow ramps in Oregon on lakes where there has been no ramp maintenance in twenty years. Just big trucks launching their high powered race machines and ruining the ramps.
On Jul 8, 2018, at 7:05 PM, Janice Smith <smithrj@gorge.net> wrote:
Do you have a trailer extension?
Sent from my iPad
On Jul 8, 2018, at 6:40 PM, doug <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
I took my M-15 out for the day today on a nice lake in Oregon. But I discovered some issues that I need help on. The biggest one was getting the boat back on the trailer. It seems that the outboard weighs the boat to the starboard where it is mounted. With that small lean to starboard, the boat would not move up into the trailer in a balanced way. That ended up making it impossible to get the boat onto the trailer with the shoal draft keel resting on the rubber runners down the middle of the trailer. Instead the boat came out of the water with the keel resting outside the center of the trailer where its supposed to rest. I got in the lake several times trying to center the boat on the trailer. Am I missing something?
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Message: 7 Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2018 20:17:14 -0700 From: doug <doug9326@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Problems Message-ID: <3F44C972-62AA-43FD-B1BB-00A5C9BC0AE1@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
I will check the bunk board alignment and be sure they are snugged down tight. Thanks
On Jul 8, 2018, at 7:17 PM, Michael Carter < carterconsultants@comcast.net> wrote:
Doug,
I suggest you check your bunk board alignment and make sure they are snugged down tightly. That was the issue when I had a problem similar to what you describe. I had a 28-lb. Honda 2 hp, so anything that small and light shouldn't be a factor. If you have something significantly larger perhaps that could interfere with proper alignment.
Mike
On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 7:40 PM, doug <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
I took my M-15 out for the day today on a nice lake in Oregon. But I discovered some issues that I need help on. The biggest one was getting the boat back on the trailer. It seems that the outboard weighs the boat to the starboard where it is mounted. With that small lean to starboard, the boat would not move up into the trailer in a balanced way. That ended up making it impossible to get the boat onto the trailer with the shoal draft keel resting on the rubber runners down the middle of the trailer. Instead the boat came out of the water with the keel resting outside the center of the trailer where its supposed to rest. I got in the lake several times trying to center the boat on the trailer. Am I missing something?
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Message: 8 Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2018 20:56:09 -0700 From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Problems Message-ID: <CAGjBOA68nrn0LFrcNwYiRa8-RYSp-f_s3wipo4-ivoJtopt7FA@ mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
A Honda 2 does not cause the boat to list in any significant way.
Floating the boat over the trailer makes alignment harder. Winching the boat on will help align it onto the center. You need to assure the boat is coming into the center of the trailer. Does take some practice. One of my cues that.tje boat.js centered are the fenders - same overhang both sides of the boat. While standing at the bow this can be seen - be willing to stand in the water (why I have zipoff pant legs and weat Crocks for launching & retrieving.
If the keel is close to the center of the roller you are good. The boat will center some as you travel. Drive a few miles and check the boat and re-snug the strap(s) securing the aft of the boay. To the trailer.
A tongue extension is only needed it you need to get the vehicle wet.
If your trailer is a Trail-Rite the bunks bunk supports are fixed and don't loosen (unless they are rusting away). The Pacific trailers have adjustable bunk supports that require occasional checking if the fasteners.
Some folks install keel guides. 1" PVC pipe tha go from the aft trailer bunk support to just outside the keel roller. This guides the keel to the roller.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
On Sun, Jul 8, 2018, 8:15 PM doug <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
I have a 4 stroke Honda 2hp. I did position the vehicle so that the boat came about two thirds up the trailer and then I winched it the rest of the way. When I re-did this, I tried to float the boat to center on the trailer but it always seemed like the boat wanted to list to one side which made it off center on the trailer.
On Jul 8, 2018, at 7:20 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
How far into the water were the trailer bunks? So far in that the boat was floating above the trailer? Or did you need to pull the boat the final two or so feet onto the trailer (so the bow was testing against the trailer bow stop)?
What motor do you have? A Honda 2 or 2.3 doesn't cause the boat to list (and is more than enough motor for the M15).
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
On Sun, Jul 8, 2018, 6:40 PM doug <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
I took my M-15 out for the day today on a nice lake in Oregon. But I discovered some issues that I need help on. The biggest one was getting the boat back on the trailer. It seems that the outboard weighs the boat to the starboard where it is mounted. With that small lean to starboard, the boat would not move up into the trailer in a balanced way. That ended up making it impossible to get the boat onto the trailer with the shoal draft keel resting on the rubber runners down the middle of the trailer. Instead the boat came out of the water with the keel resting outside the center of the trailer where its supposed to rest. I got in the lake several times trying to center the boat on the trailer. Am I missing something?
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Message: 9 Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2018 23:34:43 -0500 From: Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Problems Message-ID: <CA+TbpAV8h881+x4qS6wc7RNy_NwUBQQjRGf3A-KeYCJP2bbnJw@ mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Doug, I have an M 17 and added a couple of 2" diameter PVC pipes, about 4' long, vertically to the aft end of my trailer so I could always tell where the end of my trailer is even under water. I also spaced them apart with brackets so they tend to nudge the hull into the centerline of the trailer as I winch it in. Worth the effort to install!. Fair winds Tom B
On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 10:17 PM, doug <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
I will check the bunk board alignment and be sure they are snugged down tight. Thanks
On Jul 8, 2018, at 7:17 PM, Michael Carter < carterconsultants@comcast.net> wrote:
Doug,
I suggest you check your bunk board alignment and make sure they are snugged down tightly. That was the issue when I had a problem similar to what you describe. I had a 28-lb. Honda 2 hp, so anything that small and light shouldn't be a factor. If you have something significantly larger perhaps that could interfere with proper alignment.
Mike
On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 7:40 PM, doug <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
I took my M-15 out for the day today on a nice lake in Oregon. But I discovered some issues that I need help on. The biggest one was getting the boat back on the trailer. It seems that the outboard weighs the boat to the starboard where it is mounted. With that small lean to starboard, the boat would not move up into the trailer in a balanced way. That ended up making it impossible to get the boat onto the trailer with the shoal draft keel resting on the rubber runners down the middle of the trailer. Instead the boat came out of the water with the keel resting outside the center of the trailer where its supposed to rest. I got in the lake several times trying to center the boat on the trailer. Am I missing something?
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Message: 10 Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2018 07:08:09 +0000 (UTC) From: Lawrence Winiarski <lawrence_winiarski@yahoo.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Problems Message-ID: <1874672080.1175244.1531120089142@mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
I have some keel guides made from PVC pipe? (like 2") and held onto the trailer with stainless steel hose clamps. It helps a lot,? i want to get a vertical set of guides also to help and I'm in process on that.
i will try and remember to take a picture the next time i unload. Are you going to Fern Ridge Lake???
From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman. xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, July 8, 2018 8:56 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Problems
A Honda 2 does not cause the boat to list in any significant way.
Floating the boat over the trailer makes alignment harder.? Winching the boat on will help align it onto the center. You need to assure the boat is coming into the center of the trailer.? Does take some practice.? One of my cues that.tje boat.js centered are the fenders - same overhang both sides of the boat.? While standing at the bow this can be seen - be willing to stand in the water (why I have zipoff pant legs and weat Crocks for launching & retrieving.
If the keel is close to the center of the roller you are good.? The boat will center some as you travel.? Drive a few miles and check the boat and re-snug the strap(s) securing the aft of the boay. To the trailer.
A tongue extension is only needed it you need to get the vehicle wet.
If your trailer is a Trail-Rite the bunks bunk supports are fixed and don't loosen (unless they are rusting away).? The Pacific trailers have adjustable bunk supports that require occasional checking if the fasteners.
Some folks install keel guides.? 1" PVC pipe tha go from the aft trailer bunk support to just outside the keel roller.? This guides the keel to the roller.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
On Sun, Jul 8, 2018, 8:15 PM doug <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
I have a 4 stroke Honda 2hp.? I did position the vehicle so that the boat came about two thirds up the trailer and then I winched it the rest of the way.? When I re-did this, I tried to float the boat to center on the trailer but it always seemed like the boat wanted to list to one side which made it off center on the trailer.
On Jul 8, 2018, at 7:20 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
How far into the water were the trailer bunks?? So far in that the boat was floating above the trailer? Or did you need to pull the boat the final two or so feet onto the trailer (so the bow was testing against the trailer bow stop)?
What motor do you have?? A Honda 2 or 2.3 doesn't cause the boat to list (and is more than enough motor for the M15).
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
On Sun, Jul 8, 2018, 6:40 PM doug <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
I took my M-15 out for the day today on a nice lake in Oregon.? But I discovered some issues that I need help on.? The biggest one was getting the boat back on the trailer.? It seems that the outboard weighs the boat to the starboard where it is mounted.? With that small lean to starboard, the boat would not move up into the trailer in a balanced way.? That ended up making it impossible to get the boat onto the trailer with the shoal draft keel resting on the rubber runners down the middle of the trailer. Instead the boat came out of the water with the keel resting outside the center of the trailer where its supposed to rest.? I got in the lake several times trying to center the boat on the trailer.? Am I missing something?
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Message: 11 Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2018 07:23:51 -0500 From: Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com> To: Lawrence Winiarski via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Problems Message-ID: <e0e4310b-3c61-f17a-1b6c-627d7738fc95@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
My solution to the centering of the keel over the rollers was to build a "Y" shaped keel centering device in the trailer using plastic pipe (add drain holes)
With this device, even if a cross wind is blowing and preventing the boat from being centered on the trailer, as soon as the keel enters the opening at the top of the "Y"? it forces the boat to the middle of the trailer and as the boat keel enters the bottom of the "Y" it is forced to straighten up over the rollers so that it is always properly aligned.
It worked very well with a Trailrite trailer.
I also had vertical plastic pipes at the end of the trailer.? If your trailer is underwater, and the water is murky, how can you know how to approach the trailer without guideposts?
Connie
ex M15 #400? LEPPO
On 7/9/2018 2:08 AM, Lawrence Winiarski via montgomery_boats wrote:
I have some keel guides made from PVC pipe? (like 2") and held onto the trailer with stainless steel hose clamps. It helps a lot,? i want to get a vertical set of guides also to help and I'm in process on that.
i will try and remember to take a picture the next time i unload. Are you going to Fern Ridge Lake?
From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman. xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, July 8, 2018 8:56 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Problems
A Honda 2 does not cause the boat to list in any significant way.
Floating the boat over the trailer makes alignment harder.? Winching the boat on will help align it onto the center. You need to assure the boat is coming into the center of the trailer.? Does take some practice.? One of my cues that.tje boat.js centered are the fenders - same overhang both sides of the boat.? While standing at the bow this can be seen - be willing to stand in the water (why I have zipoff pant legs and weat Crocks for launching & retrieving.
If the keel is close to the center of the roller you are good.? The boat will center some as you travel.? Drive a few miles and check the boat and re-snug the strap(s) securing the aft of the boay. To the trailer.
A tongue extension is only needed it you need to get the vehicle wet.
If your trailer is a Trail-Rite the bunks bunk supports are fixed and don't loosen (unless they are rusting away).? The Pacific trailers have adjustable bunk supports that require occasional checking if the fasteners.
Some folks install keel guides.? 1" PVC pipe tha go from the aft trailer bunk support to just outside the keel roller.? This guides the keel to the roller.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
On Sun, Jul 8, 2018, 8:15 PM doug <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
I have a 4 stroke Honda 2hp.? I did position the vehicle so that the boat came about two thirds up the trailer and then I winched it the rest of the way.? When I re-did this, I tried to float the boat to center on the trailer but it always seemed like the boat wanted to list to one side which made it off center on the trailer.
On Jul 8, 2018, at 7:20 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
How far into the water were the trailer bunks?? So far in that the boat was floating above the trailer? Or did you need to pull the boat the final two or so feet onto the trailer (so the bow was testing against the trailer bow stop)?
What motor do you have?? A Honda 2 or 2.3 doesn't cause the boat to list (and is more than enough motor for the M15).
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
On Sun, Jul 8, 2018, 6:40 PM doug <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
I took my M-15 out for the day today on a nice lake in Oregon.? But I discovered some issues that I need help on.? The biggest one was getting the boat back on the trailer.? It seems that the outboard weighs the boat to the starboard where it is mounted.? With that small lean to starboard, the boat would not move up into the trailer in a balanced way.? That ended up making it impossible to get the boat onto the trailer with the shoal draft keel resting on the rubber runners down the middle of the trailer. Instead the boat came out of the water with the keel resting outside the center of the trailer where its supposed to rest.? I got in the lake several times trying to center the boat on the trailer.? Am I missing something?
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Message: 12 Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2018 07:28:49 -0700 From: doug <doug9326@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Problems Message-ID: <98E8ECD7-A500-4814-AB58-94913DEE27F5@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
These are great ideas and thank you so much. I can now add to my ?To Do? list. I will be heading to Lake of the Woods in Oregon this coming weekend. Hopefully I can get the guide posts done by then. Sounds easy, but you know that ?sounds easy? is a red flag.
On Jul 9, 2018, at 5:23 AM, Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com> wrote:
My solution to the centering of the keel over the rollers was to build a "Y" shaped keel centering device in the trailer using plastic pipe (add drain holes)
With this device, even if a cross wind is blowing and preventing the boat from being centered on the trailer, as soon as the keel enters the opening at the top of the "Y" it forces the boat to the middle of the trailer and as the boat keel enters the bottom of the "Y" it is forced to straighten up over the rollers so that it is always properly aligned.
It worked very well with a Trailrite trailer.
I also had vertical plastic pipes at the end of the trailer. If your trailer is underwater, and the water is murky, how can you know how to approach the trailer without guideposts?
Connie
ex M15 #400 LEPPO
On 7/9/2018 2:08 AM, Lawrence Winiarski via montgomery_boats wrote:
I have some keel guides made from PVC pipe (like 2") and held onto the trailer with stainless steel hose clamps. It helps a lot, i want to get a vertical set of guides also to help and I'm in process on that.
i will try and remember to take a picture the next time i unload. Are you going to Fern Ridge Lake?
From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman. xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, July 8, 2018 8:56 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Problems A Honda 2 does not cause the boat to list in any significant way.
Floating the boat over the trailer makes alignment harder. Winching the boat on will help align it onto the center. You need to assure the boat is coming into the center of the trailer. Does take some practice. One of my cues that.tje boat.js centered are the fenders - same overhang both sides of the boat. While standing at the bow this can be seen - be willing to stand in the water (why I have zipoff pant legs and weat Crocks for launching & retrieving.
If the keel is close to the center of the roller you are good. The boat will center some as you travel. Drive a few miles and check the boat and re-snug the strap(s) securing the aft of the boay. To the trailer.
A tongue extension is only needed it you need to get the vehicle wet.
If your trailer is a Trail-Rite the bunks bunk supports are fixed and don't loosen (unless they are rusting away). The Pacific trailers have adjustable bunk supports that require occasional checking if the fasteners.
Some folks install keel guides. 1" PVC pipe tha go from the aft trailer bunk support to just outside the keel roller. This guides the keel to the roller.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
On Sun, Jul 8, 2018, 8:15 PM doug <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
I have a 4 stroke Honda 2hp. I did position the vehicle so that the boat came about two thirds up the trailer and then I winched it the rest of the way. When I re-did this, I tried to float the boat to center on the trailer but it always seemed like the boat wanted to list to one side which made it off center on the trailer.
On Jul 8, 2018, at 7:20 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
How far into the water were the trailer bunks? So far in that the boat was floating above the trailer? Or did you need to pull the boat the final two or so feet onto the trailer (so the bow was testing against the trailer bow stop)?
What motor do you have? A Honda 2 or 2.3 doesn't cause the boat to list (and is more than enough motor for the M15).
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
On Sun, Jul 8, 2018, 6:40 PM doug <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
I took my M-15 out for the day today on a nice lake in Oregon. But I discovered some issues that I need help on. The biggest one was getting the boat back on the trailer. It seems that the outboard weighs the boat to the starboard where it is mounted. With that small lean to starboard, the boat would not move up into the trailer in a balanced way. That ended up making it impossible to get the boat onto the trailer with the shoal draft keel resting on the rubber runners down the middle of the trailer. Instead the boat came out of the water with the keel resting outside the center of the trailer where its supposed to rest. I got in the lake several times trying to center the boat on the trailer. Am I missing something?
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Message: 13 Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2018 08:00:49 -0700 From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Problems Message-ID: <CAGjBOA6_S2ymnwWxk8oMc3OFE+o4U2L0tKD7g-WXaS6dJP_zQg@mail. gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Ideas for keel guides in the MSOG.org site:
http://msog.org/how-to/how-to.cfm
See subsection 'keel guides'
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
On Mon, Jul 9, 2018, 7:29 AM doug <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
These are great ideas and thank you so much. I can now add to my ?To Do? list. I will be heading to Lake of the Woods in Oregon this coming weekend. Hopefully I can get the guide posts done by then. Sounds easy, but you know that ?sounds easy? is a red flag.
On Jul 9, 2018, at 5:23 AM, Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com> wrote:
My solution to the centering of the keel over the rollers was to build a "Y" shaped keel centering device in the trailer using plastic pipe (add drain holes)
With this device, even if a cross wind is blowing and preventing the boat from being centered on the trailer, as soon as the keel enters the opening at the top of the "Y" it forces the boat to the middle of the trailer and as the boat keel enters the bottom of the "Y" it is forced to straighten up over the rollers so that it is always properly aligned.
It worked very well with a Trailrite trailer.
I also had vertical plastic pipes at the end of the trailer. If your trailer is underwater, and the water is murky, how can you know how to approach the trailer without guideposts?
Connie
ex M15 #400 LEPPO
On 7/9/2018 2:08 AM, Lawrence Winiarski via montgomery_boats wrote:
I have some keel guides made from PVC pipe (like 2") and held onto the trailer with stainless steel hose clamps. It helps a lot, i want to get a vertical set of guides also to help and I'm in process on that.
i will try and remember to take a picture the next time i unload. Are you going to Fern Ridge Lake?
From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, July 8, 2018 8:56 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Problems A Honda 2 does not cause the boat to list in any significant way.
Floating the boat over the trailer makes alignment harder. Winching the boat on will help align it onto the center. You need to assure the boat is coming into the center of the trailer. Does take some practice. One of my cues that.tje boat.js centered are the fenders - same overhang both sides of the boat. While standing at the bow this can be seen - be willing to stand in the water (why I have zipoff pant legs and weat Crocks for launching & retrieving.
If the keel is close to the center of the roller you are good. The boat will center some as you travel. Drive a few miles and check the boat and re-snug the strap(s) securing the aft of the boay. To the trailer.
A tongue extension is only needed it you need to get the vehicle wet.
If your trailer is a Trail-Rite the bunks bunk supports are fixed and don't loosen (unless they are rusting away). The Pacific trailers have adjustable bunk supports that require occasional checking if the fasteners.
Some folks install keel guides. 1" PVC pipe tha go from the aft trailer bunk support to just outside the keel roller. This guides the keel to the roller.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
On Sun, Jul 8, 2018, 8:15 PM doug <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
I have a 4 stroke Honda 2hp. I did position the vehicle so that the boat came about two thirds up the trailer and then I winched it the rest of the way. When I re-did this, I tried to float the boat to center on the trailer but it always seemed like the boat wanted to list to one side which made it off center on the trailer.
On Jul 8, 2018, at 7:20 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
How far into the water were the trailer bunks? So far in that the boat was floating above the trailer? Or did you need to pull the boat the final two or so feet onto the trailer (so the bow was testing against the trailer bow stop)?
What motor do you have? A Honda 2 or 2.3 doesn't cause the boat to list (and is more than enough motor for the M15).
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
On Sun, Jul 8, 2018, 6:40 PM doug <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
> I took my M-15 out for the day today on a nice lake in Oregon. But I > discovered some issues that I need help on. The biggest one was getting > the boat back on the trailer. It seems that the outboard weighs the boat > to the starboard where it is mounted. With that small lean to starboard, > the boat would not move up into the trailer in a balanced way. That ended > up making it impossible to get the boat onto the trailer with the shoal > draft keel resting on the rubber runners down the middle of the trailer. > Instead the boat came out of the water with the keel resting outside the > center of the trailer where its supposed to rest. I got in the lake > several times trying to center the boat on the trailer. Am I missing > something?
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Message: 14 Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2018 13:34:55 -0400 From: Mike Z <speedernut2@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Problems Message-ID: <532B8491-AFE0-4D3A-A0B8-A10D55A66C20@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
+1 on Daves advice to visit MSOG.
Guideposts would be nice too, but I made a simple keel guide by copying a clever example from MSOG. A little PVC and some hardware store muffler clamps. I added some padding of bunk carpet on the PVC using 3M spray glue. Zip ties held until the glue dried and I ended up just leaving them on.
I don?t remember which bote you have, but my 15 likes to have the fenders just submerged. About an inch.
Naturally your mileage will vary depending on how steep your ramp is and other factors.
Welcome and enjoy your Monty.
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Message: 15 Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2018 10:48:03 -0600 From: Doug <doug9326@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Problems Message-ID: <9115f6e4-4a9f-4c66-ad8f-c150a14076a6@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Thanks much Mike.?? Guideposts are next.
?Sent from BlueMail ?
On Jul 9, 2018, 11:35 AM, at 11:35 AM, Mike Z <speedernut2@gmail.com> wrote:
+1 on Daves advice to visit MSOG.
Guideposts would be nice too, but I made a simple keel guide by copying a clever example from MSOG. A little PVC and some hardware store muffler clamps. I added some padding of bunk carpet on the PVC using 3M spray glue. Zip ties held until the glue dried and I ended up just leaving them on.
I don?t remember which bote you have, but my 15 likes to have the fenders just submerged. About an inch.
Naturally your mileage will vary depending on how steep your ramp is and other factors.
Welcome and enjoy your Monty.
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At launch my car back wheels are in the water and muffler is under water. Here in the Oregon lakes you get some pretty bad launch ramps. Some have big rocks where the trailer goes or big holes. It's hard to get the boat level off the ground under the trailer is 6 inches off from one tire to the other. Yuk. I just returned from Home Depot and am beginning to make PVC guides. Sent from BlueMail On Jul 9, 2018, 12:48 PM, at 12:48 PM, Kevin Acheson <acesman@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm going to take a *rare *exception to some of Dave Scobies advice on this subject. Getting the Trailer deeper into the water will make a *huge* difference. I have a 1984 vintage M15, on an original Trail-Rite trailer. I never had trouble getting the boat on squarely until last Fall. Same ramp, where I'd put in 5 times before. It did the same thing the next two times I used it, even when I was being careful to line the boat up. In frustration, I backed the trailer deeper into the water, and the boat came straight onto the trailer.
Will trunk guides solve this as well? I don't know. But I'd be willing to bet that if you got your trailer Deeper into the water, that *would* solve your problem. On my ramp (12.5% grade) I need to nearly wet my front tire treads to get the boat to go onto the trailer right. I am looking to make a trailer extension soon. Because to launch, I am burying too much of the rear end of my car to do my launches.
-Kevin M15 Piccolo (Hull #296)
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Message: 1 Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2018 18:40:11 -0700 From: doug <doug9326@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: Problems Message-ID: <3D829297-B102-44CB-B1CC-E98532A3C089@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
I took my M-15 out for the day today on a nice lake in Oregon. But I discovered some issues that I need help on. The biggest one was
getting
the boat back on the trailer. It seems that the outboard weighs the boat to the starboard where it is mounted. With that small lean to starboard, the boat would not move up into the trailer in a balanced way. That ended up making it impossible to get the boat onto the trailer with the shoal draft keel resting on the rubber runners down the middle of the trailer. Instead the boat came out of the water with the keel resting outside the center of the trailer where its supposed to rest. I got in the lake several times trying to center the boat on the trailer. Am I missing something?
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Message: 2 Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2018 20:17:36 -0600 From: Michael Carter <carterconsultants@comcast.net> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Problems Message-ID: <CAH21DUvwsax73Fobh_jN3L_9RBNBYp+kQjdE-uKgoV3_+1UZMA@ mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Doug,
I suggest you check your bunk board alignment and make sure they are snugged down tightly. That was the issue when I had a problem similar to what you describe. I had a 28-lb. Honda 2 hp, so anything that small and light shouldn't be a factor. If you have something significantly larger perhaps that could interfere with proper alignment.
Mike
On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 7:40 PM, doug <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
I took my M-15 out for the day today on a nice lake in Oregon. But I discovered some issues that I need help on. The biggest one was getting the boat back on the trailer. It seems that the outboard weighs the boat to the starboard where it is mounted. With that small lean to starboard, the boat would not move up into the trailer in a balanced way. That ended up making it impossible to get the boat onto the trailer with the shoal draft keel resting on the rubber runners down the middle of the trailer. Instead the boat came out of the water with the keel resting outside the center of the trailer where its supposed to rest. I got in the lake several times trying to center the boat on the trailer. Am I missing something?
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Message: 3 Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2018 19:20:51 -0700 From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Problems Message-ID: <CAGjBOA5dA1b5z8rCXh2LC5cR41X6W5ezTpCRWvOA6W9SA+xh0g@mail. gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
How far into the water were the trailer bunks? So far in that the boat was floating above the trailer? Or did you need to pull the boat the final two or so feet onto the trailer (so the bow was testing against the trailer bow stop)?
What motor do you have? A Honda 2 or 2.3 doesn't cause the boat to list (and is more than enough motor for the M15).
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
On Sun, Jul 8, 2018, 6:40 PM doug <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
I took my M-15 out for the day today on a nice lake in Oregon. But I discovered some issues that I need help on. The biggest one was getting the boat back on the trailer. It seems that the outboard weighs the boat to the starboard where it is mounted. With that small lean to starboard, the boat would not move up into the trailer in a balanced way. That ended up making it impossible to get the boat onto the trailer with the shoal draft keel resting on the rubber runners down the middle of the trailer. Instead the boat came out of the water with the keel resting outside the center of the trailer where its supposed to rest. I got in the lake several times trying to center the boat on the trailer. Am I missing something?
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Message: 4 Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2018 19:05:37 -0700 From: Janice Smith <smithrj@gorge.net> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Problems Message-ID: <771F0E6F-AC9B-4652-9D06-AE1D5672BA1D@gorge.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Do you have a trailer extension?
Sent from my iPad
On Jul 8, 2018, at 6:40 PM, doug <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
I took my M-15 out for the day today on a nice lake in Oregon. But I discovered some issues that I need help on. The biggest one was getting the boat back on the trailer. It seems that the outboard weighs the boat to the starboard where it is mounted. With that small lean to starboard, the boat would not move up into the trailer in a balanced way. That ended up making it impossible to get the boat onto the trailer with the shoal draft keel resting on the rubber runners down the middle of the trailer. Instead the boat came out of the water with the keel resting outside the center of the trailer where its supposed to rest. I got in the lake several times trying to center the boat on the trailer. Am I missing something?
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Message: 5 Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2018 20:14:59 -0700 From: doug <doug9326@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Problems Message-ID: <4C67A44A-31BF-436F-8D8F-605F362FF958@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
I have a 4 stroke Honda 2hp. I did position the vehicle so that the boat came about two thirds up the trailer and then I winched it the rest of the way. When I re-did this, I tried to float the boat to center on the trailer but it always seemed like the boat wanted to list to one side which made it off center on the trailer.
On Jul 8, 2018, at 7:20 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
How far into the water were the trailer bunks? So far in that the boat was floating above the trailer? Or did you need to pull the boat the final two or so feet onto the trailer (so the bow was testing against the trailer bow stop)?
What motor do you have? A Honda 2 or 2.3 doesn't cause the boat to list (and is more than enough motor for the M15).
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
On Sun, Jul 8, 2018, 6:40 PM doug <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
I took my M-15 out for the day today on a nice lake in Oregon. But I discovered some issues that I need help on. The biggest one was getting the boat back on the trailer. It seems that the outboard weighs the boat to the starboard where it is mounted. With that small lean to starboard, the boat would not move up into the trailer in a balanced way. That ended up making it impossible to get the boat onto the trailer with the shoal draft keel resting on the rubber runners down the middle of the trailer. Instead the boat came out of the water with the keel resting outside the center of the trailer where its supposed to rest. I got in the lake several times trying to center the boat on the trailer. Am I missing something?
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Message: 6 Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2018 20:16:12 -0700 From: doug <doug9326@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Problems Message-ID: <CDAB8F1F-ACA0-42BC-8960-78B6826895D9@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
No I don?t have an extension. Do I need one. I have been thinking about it due to the shallow ramps in Oregon on lakes where there has been no ramp maintenance in twenty years. Just big trucks launching their high powered race machines and ruining the ramps.
On Jul 8, 2018, at 7:05 PM, Janice Smith <smithrj@gorge.net> wrote:
Do you have a trailer extension?
Sent from my iPad
On Jul 8, 2018, at 6:40 PM, doug <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
I took my M-15 out for the day today on a nice lake in Oregon. But I discovered some issues that I need help on. The biggest one was getting the boat back on the trailer. It seems that the outboard weighs the boat to the starboard where it is mounted. With that small lean to starboard, the boat would not move up into the trailer in a balanced way. That ended up making it impossible to get the boat onto the trailer with the shoal draft keel resting on the rubber runners down the middle of the trailer. Instead the boat came out of the water with the keel resting outside the center of the trailer where its supposed to rest. I got in the lake several times trying to center the boat on the trailer. Am I missing something?
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Message: 7 Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2018 20:17:14 -0700 From: doug <doug9326@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Problems Message-ID: <3F44C972-62AA-43FD-B1BB-00A5C9BC0AE1@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
I will check the bunk board alignment and be sure they are snugged down tight. Thanks
On Jul 8, 2018, at 7:17 PM, Michael Carter < carterconsultants@comcast.net> wrote:
Doug,
I suggest you check your bunk board alignment and make sure they are snugged down tightly. That was the issue when I had a problem similar to what you describe. I had a 28-lb. Honda 2 hp, so anything that small and light shouldn't be a factor. If you have something significantly larger perhaps that could interfere with proper alignment.
Mike
On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 7:40 PM, doug <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
I took my M-15 out for the day today on a nice lake in Oregon. But I discovered some issues that I need help on. The biggest one was getting the boat back on the trailer. It seems that the outboard weighs the boat to the starboard where it is mounted. With that small lean to starboard, the boat would not move up into the trailer in a balanced way. That ended up making it impossible to get the boat onto the trailer with the shoal draft keel resting on the rubber runners down the middle of the trailer. Instead the boat came out of the water with the keel resting outside the center of the trailer where its supposed to rest. I got in the lake several times trying to center the boat on the trailer. Am I missing something?
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Message: 8 Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2018 20:56:09 -0700 From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Problems Message-ID: <CAGjBOA68nrn0LFrcNwYiRa8-RYSp-f_s3wipo4-ivoJtopt7FA@ mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
A Honda 2 does not cause the boat to list in any significant way.
Floating the boat over the trailer makes alignment harder. Winching the boat on will help align it onto the center. You need to assure the boat is coming into the center of the trailer. Does take some practice. One of my cues that.tje boat.js centered are the fenders - same overhang both sides of the boat. While standing at the bow this can be seen - be willing to stand in the water (why I have zipoff pant legs and weat Crocks for launching & retrieving.
If the keel is close to the center of the roller you are good. The boat will center some as you travel. Drive a few miles and check the boat and re-snug the strap(s) securing the aft of the boay. To the trailer.
A tongue extension is only needed it you need to get the vehicle wet.
If your trailer is a Trail-Rite the bunks bunk supports are fixed and don't loosen (unless they are rusting away). The Pacific trailers have adjustable bunk supports that require occasional checking if the fasteners.
Some folks install keel guides. 1" PVC pipe tha go from the aft trailer bunk support to just outside the keel roller. This guides the keel to the roller.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
On Sun, Jul 8, 2018, 8:15 PM doug <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
I have a 4 stroke Honda 2hp. I did position the vehicle so that the boat came about two thirds up the trailer and then I winched it the rest of the way. When I re-did this, I tried to float the boat to center on the trailer but it always seemed like the boat wanted to list to one side which made it off center on the trailer.
On Jul 8, 2018, at 7:20 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
How far into the water were the trailer bunks? So far in that the boat was floating above the trailer? Or did you need to pull the boat the final two or so feet onto the trailer (so the bow was testing against the trailer bow stop)?
What motor do you have? A Honda 2 or 2.3 doesn't cause the boat to list (and is more than enough motor for the M15).
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
On Sun, Jul 8, 2018, 6:40 PM doug <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
I took my M-15 out for the day today on a nice lake in Oregon. But I discovered some issues that I need help on. The biggest one was getting the boat back on the trailer. It seems that the outboard weighs the boat to the starboard where it is mounted. With that small lean to starboard, the boat would not move up into the trailer in a balanced way. That ended up making it impossible to get the boat onto the trailer with the shoal draft keel resting on the rubber runners down the middle of the trailer. Instead the boat came out of the water with the keel resting outside the center of the trailer where its supposed to rest. I got in the lake several times trying to center the boat on the trailer. Am I missing something?
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Message: 9 Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2018 23:34:43 -0500 From: Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Problems Message-ID: <CA+TbpAV8h881+x4qS6wc7RNy_NwUBQQjRGf3A-KeYCJP2bbnJw@ mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Doug, I have an M 17 and added a couple of 2" diameter PVC pipes, about 4' long, vertically to the aft end of my trailer so I could always tell where the end of my trailer is even under water. I also spaced them apart with brackets so they tend to nudge the hull into the centerline of the trailer as I winch it in. Worth the effort to install!. Fair winds Tom B
On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 10:17 PM, doug <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
I will check the bunk board alignment and be sure they are snugged down tight. Thanks
On Jul 8, 2018, at 7:17 PM, Michael Carter < carterconsultants@comcast.net> wrote:
Doug,
I suggest you check your bunk board alignment and make sure they are snugged down tightly. That was the issue when I had a problem similar to what you describe. I had a 28-lb. Honda 2 hp, so anything that small and light shouldn't be a factor. If you have something significantly larger perhaps that could interfere with proper alignment.
Mike
On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 7:40 PM, doug <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
I took my M-15 out for the day today on a nice lake in Oregon. But I discovered some issues that I need help on. The biggest one was getting the boat back on the trailer. It seems that the outboard weighs the boat to the starboard where it is mounted. With that small lean to starboard, the boat would not move up into the trailer in a balanced way. That ended up making it impossible to get the boat onto the trailer with the shoal draft keel resting on the rubber runners down the middle of the trailer. Instead the boat came out of the water with the keel resting outside the center of the trailer where its supposed to rest. I got in the lake several times trying to center the boat on the trailer. Am I missing something?
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Message: 10 Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2018 07:08:09 +0000 (UTC) From: Lawrence Winiarski <lawrence_winiarski@yahoo.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Problems Message-ID: <1874672080.1175244.1531120089142@mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
I have some keel guides made from PVC pipe? (like 2") and held onto the trailer with stainless steel hose clamps. It helps a lot,? i want to get a vertical set of guides also to help and I'm in process on that.
i will try and remember to take a picture the next time i unload. Are you going to Fern Ridge Lake???
From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman. xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, July 8, 2018 8:56 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Problems
A Honda 2 does not cause the boat to list in any significant way.
Floating the boat over the trailer makes alignment harder.? Winching the boat on will help align it onto the center. You need to assure the boat is coming into the center of the trailer.? Does take some practice.? One of my cues that.tje boat.js centered are the fenders - same overhang both sides of the boat.? While standing at the bow this can be seen - be willing to stand in the water (why I have zipoff pant legs and weat Crocks for launching & retrieving.
If the keel is close to the center of the roller you are good.? The boat will center some as you travel.? Drive a few miles and check the boat and re-snug the strap(s) securing the aft of the boay. To the trailer.
A tongue extension is only needed it you need to get the vehicle wet.
If your trailer is a Trail-Rite the bunks bunk supports are fixed and don't loosen (unless they are rusting away).? The Pacific trailers have adjustable bunk supports that require occasional checking if the fasteners.
Some folks install keel guides.? 1" PVC pipe tha go from the aft trailer bunk support to just outside the keel roller.? This guides the keel to the roller.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
On Sun, Jul 8, 2018, 8:15 PM doug <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
I have a 4 stroke Honda 2hp.? I did position the vehicle so that the boat came about two thirds up the trailer and then I winched it the rest of the way.? When I re-did this, I tried to float the boat to center on the trailer but it always seemed like the boat wanted to list to one side which made it off center on the trailer.
On Jul 8, 2018, at 7:20 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
How far into the water were the trailer bunks?? So far in that the boat was floating above the trailer? Or did you need to pull the boat the final two or so feet onto the trailer (so the bow was testing against the trailer bow stop)?
What motor do you have?? A Honda 2 or 2.3 doesn't cause the boat to list (and is more than enough motor for the M15).
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
On Sun, Jul 8, 2018, 6:40 PM doug <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
I took my M-15 out for the day today on a nice lake in Oregon.? But I discovered some issues that I need help on.? The biggest one was getting the boat back on the trailer.? It seems that the outboard weighs the boat to the starboard where it is mounted.? With that small lean to starboard, the boat would not move up into the trailer in a balanced way.? That ended up making it impossible to get the boat onto the trailer with the shoal draft keel resting on the rubber runners down the middle of the trailer. Instead the boat came out of the water with the keel resting outside the center of the trailer where its supposed to rest.? I got in the lake several times trying to center the boat on the trailer.? Am I missing something?
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Message: 11 Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2018 07:23:51 -0500 From: Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com> To: Lawrence Winiarski via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Problems Message-ID: <e0e4310b-3c61-f17a-1b6c-627d7738fc95@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
My solution to the centering of the keel over the rollers was to build a "Y" shaped keel centering device in the trailer using plastic pipe (add drain holes)
With this device, even if a cross wind is blowing and preventing the boat from being centered on the trailer, as soon as the keel enters the opening at the top of the "Y"? it forces the boat to the middle of the trailer and as the boat keel enters the bottom of the "Y" it is forced to straighten up over the rollers so that it is always properly aligned.
It worked very well with a Trailrite trailer.
I also had vertical plastic pipes at the end of the trailer.? If your trailer is underwater, and the water is murky, how can you know how to approach the trailer without guideposts?
Connie
ex M15 #400? LEPPO
On 7/9/2018 2:08 AM, Lawrence Winiarski via montgomery_boats wrote:
I have some keel guides made from PVC pipe? (like 2") and held onto the trailer with stainless steel hose clamps. It helps a lot,? i want to get a vertical set of guides also to help and I'm in process on that.
i will try and remember to take a picture the next time i unload. Are you going to Fern Ridge Lake?
From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman. xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, July 8, 2018 8:56 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Problems
A Honda 2 does not cause the boat to list in any significant way.
Floating the boat over the trailer makes alignment harder.? Winching the boat on will help align it onto the center. You need to assure the boat is coming into the center of the trailer.? Does take some practice.? One of my cues that.tje boat.js centered are the fenders - same overhang both sides of the boat.? While standing at the bow this can be seen - be willing to stand in the water (why I have zipoff pant legs and weat Crocks for launching & retrieving.
If the keel is close to the center of the roller you are good.? The boat will center some as you travel.? Drive a few miles and check the boat and re-snug the strap(s) securing the aft of the boay. To the trailer.
A tongue extension is only needed it you need to get the vehicle wet.
If your trailer is a Trail-Rite the bunks bunk supports are fixed and don't loosen (unless they are rusting away).? The Pacific trailers have adjustable bunk supports that require occasional checking if the fasteners.
Some folks install keel guides.? 1" PVC pipe tha go from the aft trailer bunk support to just outside the keel roller.? This guides the keel to the roller.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
On Sun, Jul 8, 2018, 8:15 PM doug <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
I have a 4 stroke Honda 2hp.? I did position the vehicle so that the boat came about two thirds up the trailer and then I winched it the rest of the way.? When I re-did this, I tried to float the boat to center on the trailer but it always seemed like the boat wanted to list to one side which made it off center on the trailer.
On Jul 8, 2018, at 7:20 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
How far into the water were the trailer bunks?? So far in that the boat was floating above the trailer? Or did you need to pull the boat the final two or so feet onto the trailer (so the bow was testing against the trailer bow stop)?
What motor do you have?? A Honda 2 or 2.3 doesn't cause the boat to list (and is more than enough motor for the M15).
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
On Sun, Jul 8, 2018, 6:40 PM doug <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
I took my M-15 out for the day today on a nice lake in Oregon.? But I discovered some issues that I need help on.? The biggest one was getting the boat back on the trailer.? It seems that the outboard weighs the boat to the starboard where it is mounted.? With that small lean to starboard, the boat would not move up into the trailer in a balanced way.? That ended up making it impossible to get the boat onto the trailer with the shoal draft keel resting on the rubber runners down the middle of the trailer. Instead the boat came out of the water with the keel resting outside the center of the trailer where its supposed to rest.? I got in the lake several times trying to center the boat on the trailer.? Am I missing something?
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Message: 12 Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2018 07:28:49 -0700 From: doug <doug9326@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Problems Message-ID: <98E8ECD7-A500-4814-AB58-94913DEE27F5@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
These are great ideas and thank you so much. I can now add to my ?To Do? list. I will be heading to Lake of the Woods in Oregon this coming weekend. Hopefully I can get the guide posts done by then. Sounds easy, but you know that ?sounds easy? is a red flag.
On Jul 9, 2018, at 5:23 AM, Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com> wrote:
My solution to the centering of the keel over the rollers was to build a "Y" shaped keel centering device in the trailer using plastic pipe (add drain holes)
With this device, even if a cross wind is blowing and preventing the boat from being centered on the trailer, as soon as the keel enters the opening at the top of the "Y" it forces the boat to the middle of the trailer and as the boat keel enters the bottom of the "Y" it is forced to straighten up over the rollers so that it is always properly aligned.
It worked very well with a Trailrite trailer.
I also had vertical plastic pipes at the end of the trailer. If your trailer is underwater, and the water is murky, how can you know how to approach the trailer without guideposts?
Connie
ex M15 #400 LEPPO
On 7/9/2018 2:08 AM, Lawrence Winiarski via montgomery_boats wrote:
I have some keel guides made from PVC pipe (like 2") and held onto the trailer with stainless steel hose clamps. It helps a lot, i want to get a vertical set of guides also to help and I'm in process on that.
i will try and remember to take a picture the next time i unload. Are you going to Fern Ridge Lake?
From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman. xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, July 8, 2018 8:56 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Problems A Honda 2 does not cause the boat to list in any significant way.
Floating the boat over the trailer makes alignment harder. Winching the boat on will help align it onto the center. You need to assure the boat is coming into the center of the trailer. Does take some practice. One of my cues that.tje boat.js centered are the fenders - same overhang both sides of the boat. While standing at the bow this can be seen - be willing to stand in the water (why I have zipoff pant legs and weat Crocks for launching & retrieving.
If the keel is close to the center of the roller you are good. The boat will center some as you travel. Drive a few miles and check the boat and re-snug the strap(s) securing the aft of the boay. To the trailer.
A tongue extension is only needed it you need to get the vehicle wet.
If your trailer is a Trail-Rite the bunks bunk supports are fixed and don't loosen (unless they are rusting away). The Pacific trailers have adjustable bunk supports that require occasional checking if the fasteners.
Some folks install keel guides. 1" PVC pipe tha go from the aft trailer bunk support to just outside the keel roller. This guides the keel to the roller.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
On Sun, Jul 8, 2018, 8:15 PM doug <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
I have a 4 stroke Honda 2hp. I did position the vehicle so that the boat came about two thirds up the trailer and then I winched it the rest of the way. When I re-did this, I tried to float the boat to center on the trailer but it always seemed like the boat wanted to list to one side which made it off center on the trailer.
On Jul 8, 2018, at 7:20 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
How far into the water were the trailer bunks? So far in that the boat was floating above the trailer? Or did you need to pull the boat the final two or so feet onto the trailer (so the bow was testing against the trailer bow stop)?
What motor do you have? A Honda 2 or 2.3 doesn't cause the boat to list (and is more than enough motor for the M15).
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
On Sun, Jul 8, 2018, 6:40 PM doug <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
> I took my M-15 out for the day today on a nice lake in Oregon. But I > discovered some issues that I need help on. The biggest one was getting > the boat back on the trailer. It seems that the outboard weighs the boat > to the starboard where it is mounted. With that small lean to starboard, > the boat would not move up into the trailer in a balanced way. That ended > up making it impossible to get the boat onto the trailer with the shoal > draft keel resting on the rubber runners down the middle of the trailer. > Instead the boat came out of the water with the keel resting outside the > center of the trailer where its supposed to rest. I got in the lake > several times trying to center the boat on the trailer. Am I missing > something?
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Message: 13 Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2018 08:00:49 -0700 From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Problems Message-ID: <CAGjBOA6_S2ymnwWxk8oMc3OFE+o4U2L0tKD7g-WXaS6dJP_zQg@mail. gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Ideas for keel guides in the MSOG.org site:
http://msog.org/how-to/how-to.cfm
See subsection 'keel guides'
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
On Mon, Jul 9, 2018, 7:29 AM doug <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
These are great ideas and thank you so much. I can now add to my ?To Do? list. I will be heading to Lake of the Woods in Oregon this coming weekend. Hopefully I can get the guide posts done by then. Sounds easy, but you know that ?sounds easy? is a red flag.
On Jul 9, 2018, at 5:23 AM, Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com> wrote:
My solution to the centering of the keel over the rollers was to build a "Y" shaped keel centering device in the trailer using plastic pipe (add drain holes)
With this device, even if a cross wind is blowing and preventing the boat from being centered on the trailer, as soon as the keel enters the opening at the top of the "Y" it forces the boat to the middle of the trailer and as the boat keel enters the bottom of the "Y" it is forced to straighten up over the rollers so that it is always properly aligned.
It worked very well with a Trailrite trailer.
I also had vertical plastic pipes at the end of the trailer. If your trailer is underwater, and the water is murky, how can you know how to approach the trailer without guideposts?
Connie
ex M15 #400 LEPPO
On 7/9/2018 2:08 AM, Lawrence Winiarski via montgomery_boats wrote:
I have some keel guides made from PVC pipe (like 2") and held onto the trailer with stainless steel hose clamps. It helps a lot, i want to get a vertical set of guides also to help and I'm in process on that.
i will try and remember to take a picture the next time i unload. Are you going to Fern Ridge Lake?
From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, July 8, 2018 8:56 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Problems A Honda 2 does not cause the boat to list in any significant way.
Floating the boat over the trailer makes alignment harder. Winching the boat on will help align it onto the center. You need to assure the boat is coming into the center of the trailer. Does take some practice. One of my cues that.tje boat.js centered are the fenders - same overhang both sides of the boat. While standing at the bow this can be seen - be willing to stand in the water (why I have zipoff pant legs and weat Crocks for launching & retrieving.
If the keel is close to the center of the roller you are good. The boat will center some as you travel. Drive a few miles and check the boat and re-snug the strap(s) securing the aft of the boay. To the trailer.
A tongue extension is only needed it you need to get the vehicle wet.
If your trailer is a Trail-Rite the bunks bunk supports are fixed and don't loosen (unless they are rusting away). The Pacific trailers have adjustable bunk supports that require occasional checking if the fasteners.
Some folks install keel guides. 1" PVC pipe tha go from the aft trailer bunk support to just outside the keel roller. This guides the keel to the roller.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
On Sun, Jul 8, 2018, 8:15 PM doug <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
I have a 4 stroke Honda 2hp. I did position the vehicle so that the boat came about two thirds up the trailer and then I winched it the rest of the way. When I re-did this, I tried to float the boat to center on the trailer but it always seemed like the boat wanted to list to one side which made it off center on the trailer.
> On Jul 8, 2018, at 7:20 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote: > > How far into the water were the trailer bunks? So far in that the boat was > floating above the trailer? Or did you need to pull the boat the final two > or so feet onto the trailer (so the bow was testing against the trailer bow > stop)? > > What motor do you have? A Honda 2 or 2.3 doesn't cause the boat to list > (and is more than enough motor for the M15). > > > :: Dave Scobie > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > > On Sun, Jul 8, 2018, 6:40 PM doug <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I took my M-15 out for the day today on a nice lake in Oregon. But I >> discovered some issues that I need help on. The biggest one was getting >> the boat back on the trailer. It seems that the outboard weighs the boat >> to the starboard where it is mounted. With that small lean to starboard, >> the boat would not move up into the trailer in a balanced way. That ended >> up making it impossible to get the boat onto the trailer with the shoal >> draft keel resting on the rubber runners down the middle of the trailer. >> Instead the boat came out of the water with the keel resting outside the >> center of the trailer where its supposed to rest. I got in the lake >> several times trying to center the boat on the trailer. Am I missing >> something?
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Message: 14 Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2018 13:34:55 -0400 From: Mike Z <speedernut2@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Problems Message-ID: <532B8491-AFE0-4D3A-A0B8-A10D55A66C20@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
+1 on Daves advice to visit MSOG.
Guideposts would be nice too, but I made a simple keel guide by copying a clever example from MSOG. A little PVC and some hardware store muffler clamps. I added some padding of bunk carpet on the PVC using 3M spray glue. Zip ties held until the glue dried and I ended up just leaving them on.
I don?t remember which bote you have, but my 15 likes to have the fenders just submerged. About an inch.
Naturally your mileage will vary depending on how steep your ramp is and other factors.
Welcome and enjoy your Monty.
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Message: 15 Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2018 10:48:03 -0600 From: Doug <doug9326@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Problems Message-ID: <9115f6e4-4a9f-4c66-ad8f-c150a14076a6@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Thanks much Mike.?? Guideposts are next.
?Sent from BlueMail ?
On Jul 9, 2018, 11:35 AM, at 11:35 AM, Mike Z <speedernut2@gmail.com> wrote:
+1 on Daves advice to visit MSOG.
Guideposts would be nice too, but I made a simple keel guide by copying a clever example from MSOG. A little PVC and some hardware store muffler clamps. I added some padding of bunk carpet on the PVC using 3M spray glue. Zip ties held until the glue dried and I ended up just leaving them on.
I don?t remember which bote you have, but my 15 likes to have the fenders just submerged. About an inch.
Naturally your mileage will vary depending on how steep your ramp is and other factors.
Welcome and enjoy your Monty.
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