I am interested in the groups thoughts on small jibs for my Montgomery 15. I have always been a little slow to reef. For instance, I was out with one of my brothers and one of his kids in the Montgomery 15 out of the Berkeley Marina in the San Francisco Bay in some typical summer wind. The wind was comfortable without reefs or a small(er) headsail with my 200 pound or so brother helping me hold the boat down. I did notice once we were out that every single other boat around, most in the 30's of feet long, were all reefed. I have never had the option of a smaller jib on this boat. Doing it again, I probably still wouldn't have reefed that day with the ballast I had along. Still, reducing sail area is something I should be able to do, especially as I start to venture off shore a bit more and further away from harbors. My main has a single reef, which I have only used once. I am planning a trip to the Sea of Cortez this October. Jerry Montgomery mentioned the idea here and I liked it so am planning to go. Any body of water has stories of how strong it can blow there, and the Sea of Cortez is not exception. Because I would like to be able to venture out a ways while there and be able to get around if the wind does pick up, I figure I should get a smaller jib and a second reef put in my main for those windy times. My sails are Elliot Pattison and I have been very happy with them. The jib is a standard one. I asked Elliot Pattison for a price for a storm jib and he wondered if an 85% jib might make more sense. He said the storm jib is probably best for heaving to in over 25 to 30 knots of wind, as opposed to sailing which the 85% would be better for. I do like strong wind and the ability to sail in it, plus it seems prudent to be able to continue to function as the wind climbs uncomfortably. I haven't heard of Montgomery 15's with more than 2 reef points so assume that 2 is a reasonable maximum. In addition to wondering what size jib would allow me to progress in as strong winds as it is reasonable to make progress in a Montgomery 15, I wonder what size jib would best match a typical Montgomery 15 main with two reefs in it. What are the group's thoughts? Thanks so much in advance. David Grah Bishop California Montgomery 15 - Sky
David, although it was possible to shorten the working headsail (probably a 110 or so...) on my M15 (there was a reef point sewn in), I never rigged and used it because the idea of moving sheets or using task-specific ones and having to tidy up the foot seemed like more trouble than it was worth. Unquestionably the M15 begins to behave like a dingy in higher winds--one of its more exciting attributes, but I always found reefing the main was sufficient to bring things under reasonable control. A nice piece of movable ballast (like your brother) would certainly have helped. Perhaps others can tell of their experience doing this... t t _/\_ On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 5:48 PM, David Grah <d_b_grah@yahoo.com> wrote:
I am interested in the groups thoughts on small jibs for my Montgomery 15.
I have always been a little slow to reef. For instance, I was out with one of my brothers and one of his kids in the Montgomery 15 out of the Berkeley Marina in the San Francisco Bay in some typical summer wind. The wind was comfortable without reefs or a small(er) headsail with my 200 pound or so brother helping me hold the boat down. I did notice once we were out that every single other boat around, most in the 30's of feet long, were all reefed. I have never had the option of a smaller jib on this boat. Doing it again, I probably still wouldn't have reefed that day with the ballast I had along.
Still, reducing sail area is something I should be able to do, especially as I start to venture off shore a bit more and further away from harbors. My main has a single reef, which I have only used once.
I am planning a trip to the Sea of Cortez this October. Jerry Montgomery mentioned the idea here and I liked it so am planning to go. Any body of water has stories of how strong it can blow there, and the Sea of Cortez is not exception. Because I would like to be able to venture out a ways while there and be able to get around if the wind does pick up, I figure I should get a smaller jib and a second reef put in my main for those windy times.
My sails are Elliot Pattison and I have been very happy with them. The jib is a standard one. I asked Elliot Pattison for a price for a storm jib and he wondered if an 85% jib might make more sense. He said the storm jib is probably best for heaving to in over 25 to 30 knots of wind, as opposed to sailing which the 85% would be better for. I do like strong wind and the ability to sail in it, plus it seems prudent to be able to continue to function as the wind climbs uncomfortably. I haven't heard of Montgomery 15's with more than 2 reef points so assume that 2 is a reasonable maximum. In addition to wondering what size jib would allow me to progress in as strong winds as it is reasonable to make progress in a Montgomery 15, I wonder what size jib would best match a typical Montgomery 15 main with two reefs in it.
What are the group's thoughts? Thanks so much in advance.
David Grah Bishop California Montgomery 15 - Sky
You can read a lot of opinions on mast rake, including Jerry's, here: http://www.msog.org/how-to/mastrake.cfm Scroll down the page a little. ______ John Tyner M-15 #412 "Chimpanzee" On 2/22/2014 12:40 AM, Tom Smith wrote:
David, although it was possible to shorten the working headsail (probably a 110 or so...) on my M15 (there was a reef point sewn in), I never rigged and used it because the idea of moving sheets or using task-specific ones and having to tidy up the foot seemed like more trouble than it was worth.
Unquestionably the M15 begins to behave like a dingy in higher winds--one of its more exciting attributes, but I always found reefing the main was sufficient to bring things under reasonable control. A nice piece of movable ballast (like your brother) would certainly have helped.
Perhaps others can tell of their experience doing this... t
t _/\_
On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 5:48 PM, David Grah <d_b_grah@yahoo.com> wrote:
I am interested in the groups thoughts on small jibs for my Montgomery 15.
I have always been a little slow to reef. For instance, I was out with one of my brothers and one of his kids in the Montgomery 15 out of the Berkeley Marina in the San Francisco Bay in some typical summer wind. The wind was comfortable without reefs or a small(er) headsail with my 200 pound or so brother helping me hold the boat down. I did notice once we were out that every single other boat around, most in the 30's of feet long, were all reefed. I have never had the option of a smaller jib on this boat. Doing it again, I probably still wouldn't have reefed that day with the ballast I had along.
Still, reducing sail area is something I should be able to do, especially as I start to venture off shore a bit more and further away from harbors. My main has a single reef, which I have only used once.
I am planning a trip to the Sea of Cortez this October. Jerry Montgomery mentioned the idea here and I liked it so am planning to go. Any body of water has stories of how strong it can blow there, and the Sea of Cortez is not exception. Because I would like to be able to venture out a ways while there and be able to get around if the wind does pick up, I figure I should get a smaller jib and a second reef put in my main for those windy times.
My sails are Elliot Pattison and I have been very happy with them. The jib is a standard one. I asked Elliot Pattison for a price for a storm jib and he wondered if an 85% jib might make more sense. He said the storm jib is probably best for heaving to in over 25 to 30 knots of wind, as opposed to sailing which the 85% would be better for. I do like strong wind and the ability to sail in it, plus it seems prudent to be able to continue to function as the wind climbs uncomfortably. I haven't heard of Montgomery 15's with more than 2 reef points so assume that 2 is a reasonable maximum. In addition to wondering what size jib would allow me to progress in as strong winds as it is reasonable to make progress in a Montgomery 15, I wonder what size jib would best match a typical Montgomery 15 main with two reefs in it.
What are the group's thoughts? Thanks so much in advance.
David Grah Bishop California Montgomery 15 - Sky
Interesting. I am really interested to see how my new sails (once I get the jib…have the main…) perform. Daniel On Feb 22, 2014, at 4:36 AM, John Tyner <tynerjr@md.metrocast.net> wrote:
You can read a lot of opinions on mast rake, including Jerry's, here:
http://www.msog.org/how-to/mastrake.cfm
Scroll down the page a little. ______ John Tyner M-15 #412 "Chimpanzee"
On 2/22/2014 12:40 AM, Tom Smith wrote:
David, although it was possible to shorten the working headsail (probably a 110 or so...) on my M15 (there was a reef point sewn in), I never rigged and used it because the idea of moving sheets or using task-specific ones and having to tidy up the foot seemed like more trouble than it was worth.
Unquestionably the M15 begins to behave like a dingy in higher winds--one of its more exciting attributes, but I always found reefing the main was sufficient to bring things under reasonable control. A nice piece of movable ballast (like your brother) would certainly have helped.
Perhaps others can tell of their experience doing this... t
t _/\_
On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 5:48 PM, David Grah <d_b_grah@yahoo.com> wrote:
I am interested in the groups thoughts on small jibs for my Montgomery 15.
I have always been a little slow to reef. For instance, I was out with one of my brothers and one of his kids in the Montgomery 15 out of the Berkeley Marina in the San Francisco Bay in some typical summer wind. The wind was comfortable without reefs or a small(er) headsail with my 200 pound or so brother helping me hold the boat down. I did notice once we were out that every single other boat around, most in the 30's of feet long, were all reefed. I have never had the option of a smaller jib on this boat. Doing it again, I probably still wouldn't have reefed that day with the ballast I had along.
Still, reducing sail area is something I should be able to do, especially as I start to venture off shore a bit more and further away from harbors. My main has a single reef, which I have only used once.
I am planning a trip to the Sea of Cortez this October. Jerry Montgomery mentioned the idea here and I liked it so am planning to go. Any body of water has stories of how strong it can blow there, and the Sea of Cortez is not exception. Because I would like to be able to venture out a ways while there and be able to get around if the wind does pick up, I figure I should get a smaller jib and a second reef put in my main for those windy times.
My sails are Elliot Pattison and I have been very happy with them. The jib is a standard one. I asked Elliot Pattison for a price for a storm jib and he wondered if an 85% jib might make more sense. He said the storm jib is probably best for heaving to in over 25 to 30 knots of wind, as opposed to sailing which the 85% would be better for. I do like strong wind and the ability to sail in it, plus it seems prudent to be able to continue to function as the wind climbs uncomfortably. I haven't heard of Montgomery 15's with more than 2 reef points so assume that 2 is a reasonable maximum. In addition to wondering what size jib would allow me to progress in as strong winds as it is reasonable to make progress in a Montgomery 15, I wonder what size jib would best match a typical Montgomery 15 main with two reefs in it.
What are the group's thoughts? Thanks so much in advance.
David Grah Bishop California Montgomery 15 - Sky
I bought a new 85% jib for my m-15 from EP after using an old jib I had around from a dinghy and found that it really calms the boat down in heavier winds to the point where I have not had to reef the main since ( I sail on an inland lake in western New York, which is not the ocean, but winds do crank up here too). The boat sails better and I do not have to release sails or head up as much on puffs, perhaps helping more than the reefed main did. Anyway, I have been really happy with the investment, and if you put on when you go out if in doubt, the boat still goes if the wind doesn't climb, and there is no climbing out on the foredeck if the wind pipes up. mike m-15 annebonny On Saturday, February 22, 2014 10:12 AM, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote: Interesting. I am really interested to see how my new sails (once I get the jib…have the main…) perform. Daniel On Feb 22, 2014, at 4:36 AM, John Tyner <tynerjr@md.metrocast.net> wrote:
You can read a lot of opinions on mast rake, including Jerry's, here:
http://www.msog.org/how-to/mastrake.cfm
Scroll down the page a little. ______ John Tyner M-15 #412 "Chimpanzee"
On 2/22/2014 12:40 AM, Tom Smith wrote:
David, although it was possible to shorten the working headsail (probably a 110 or so...) on my M15 (there was a reef point sewn in), I never rigged and used it because the idea of moving sheets or using task-specific ones and having to tidy up the foot seemed like more trouble than it was worth.
Unquestionably the M15 begins to behave like a dingy in higher winds--one of its more exciting attributes, but I always found reefing the main was sufficient to bring things under reasonable control. A nice piece of movable ballast (like your brother) would certainly have helped.
Perhaps others can tell of their experience doing this... t
t _/\_
On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 5:48 PM, David Grah <d_b_grah@yahoo.com> wrote:
I am interested in the groups thoughts on small jibs for my Montgomery 15.
I have always been a little slow to reef. For instance, I was out with one of my brothers and one of his kids in the Montgomery 15 out of the Berkeley Marina in the San Francisco Bay in some typical summer wind. The wind was comfortable without reefs or a small(er) headsail with my 200 pound or so brother helping me hold the boat down. I did notice once we were out that every single other boat around, most in the 30's of feet
long, were all reefed. I have never had the option of a smaller jib on
this boat. Doing it again, I probably still wouldn't have reefed that day with the ballast I had along.
Still, reducing sail area is something I should be able to do, especially as I start to venture off shore a bit more and further away from harbors. My main has a single reef, which I have only used once.
I am planning a trip to the Sea of Cortez this October. Jerry Montgomery mentioned the idea here and I liked it so am planning to go. Any body of water has stories of how strong it can blow there, and the Sea of Cortez is not exception. Because I would like to be able to venture out a ways while there and be able to get around if the wind does pick up, I figure I should get a smaller jib and a second reef put in my main for those windy times.
My sails are Elliot Pattison and I have been very happy with them. The jib is a standard one. I asked Elliot Pattison for a price for a storm jib and he wondered if an 85% jib might make more sense. He said the storm jib is probably best for heaving to in over 25 to 30 knots of wind, as opposed to sailing which the 85% would be better for. I do like strong wind and the ability to sail in it, plus it seems prudent to be able to continue to function as the wind climbs uncomfortably. I haven't heard of Montgomery 15's with more than 2 reef points so assume that 2 is a reasonable maximum. In addition to wondering what size jib would allow me to progress in as strong winds as it is reasonable to make progress in a Montgomery 15, I wonder what size jib would best match a typical Montgomery 15 main with two reefs in it.
What are the group's thoughts? Thanks so much in advance.
David Grah Bishop California Montgomery 15 - Sky
David, I'm curious to see what you find/conclude, as I'm planning on ordering a full set of EP sails soon, and also want to have a good system for sailing in strong winds. I guess another way to phase this question in a testable way would be- what size jib keeps the M15 balanced when double reefed? If the storm jib is too small to balance a double reefed main, I also question it's usefulness for heaving to. I still haven't got to sail my M15 yet so I could be way off base in terms of it's balance, but from my experience, most sloops heave to better under the main alone (per instructions in the Pardey's book Storm Tactics). Backwinding the jib tends to push the bow off the wind in a blow, and causes serious chafing problems if heaving to for extended periods of time to weather out a storm. I purchased a small military surplus parachute sea anchor, which I plan to experiment in rigging like this on the M15 for emergency heavy weather: http://www.para-anchor.com/images/faq.za12.jpg I'm also still planning to go to the Sea of Cortez this October, assuming my boat is ready and well tested in time. Sincerely, Tyler Davis, CA M15 ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Grah" <d_b_grah@yahoo.com> To: "montgomery boats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 5:48:44 PM Subject: M_Boats: Small Jibs for Montgomery 15 I am interested in the groups thoughts on small jibs for my Montgomery 15. I have always been a little slow to reef. For instance, I was out with one of my brothers and one of his kids in the Montgomery 15 out of the Berkeley Marina in the San Francisco Bay in some typical summer wind. The wind was comfortable without reefs or a small(er) headsail with my 200 pound or so brother helping me hold the boat down. I did notice once we were out that every single other boat around, most in the 30's of feet long, were all reefed. I have never had the option of a smaller jib on this boat. Doing it again, I probably still wouldn't have reefed that day with the ballast I had along. Still, reducing sail area is something I should be able to do, especially as I start to venture off shore a bit more and further away from harbors. My main has a single reef, which I have only used once. I am planning a trip to the Sea of Cortez this October. Jerry Montgomery mentioned the idea here and I liked it so am planning to go. Any body of water has stories of how strong it can blow there, and the Sea of Cortez is not exception. Because I would like to be able to venture out a ways while there and be able to get around if the wind does pick up, I figure I should get a smaller jib and a second reef put in my main for those windy times. My sails are Elliot Pattison and I have been very happy with them. The jib is a standard one. I asked Elliot Pattison for a price for a storm jib and he wondered if an 85% jib might make more sense. He said the storm jib is probably best for heaving to in over 25 to 30 knots of wind, as opposed to sailing which the 85% would be better for. I do like strong wind and the ability to sail in it, plus it seems prudent to be able to continue to function as the wind climbs uncomfortably. I haven't heard of Montgomery 15's with more than 2 reef points so assume that 2 is a reasonable maximum. In addition to wondering what size jib would allow me to progress in as strong winds as it is reasonable to make progress in a Montgomery 15, I wonder what size jib would best match a typical Montgomery 15 main with two reefs in it. What are the group's thoughts? Thanks so much in advance. David Grah Bishop California Montgomery 15 - Sky
Thanks for the replies and input on the best size of a small jib. I didn't hear anything that suggests to go against Harry's advice so will get the 85% jib. I believe it will best balance a main with two reefs in. I'll report how I like it after I have the chance to use it a time or two. David Grah ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: David Grah <d_b_grah@yahoo.com> To: "montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 5:48 PM Subject: Small Jibs for Montgomery 15 I am interested in the groups thoughts on small jibs for my Montgomery 15. I have always been a little slow to reef. For instance, I was out with one of my brothers and one of his kids in the Montgomery 15 out of the Berkeley Marina in the San Francisco Bay in some typical summer wind. The wind was comfortable without reefs or a small(er) headsail with my 200 pound or so brother helping me hold the boat down. I did notice once we were out that every single other boat around, most in the 30's of feet long, were all reefed. I have never had the option of a smaller jib on this boat. Doing it again, I probably still wouldn't have reefed that day with the ballast I had along. Still, reducing sail area is something I should be able to do, especially as I start to venture off shore a bit more and further away from harbors. My main has a single reef, which I have only used once. I am planning a trip to the Sea of Cortez this October. Jerry Montgomery mentioned the idea here and I liked it so am planning to go. Any body of water has stories of how strong it can blow there, and the Sea of Cortez is not exception. Because I would like to be able to venture out a ways while there and be able to get around if the wind does pick up, I figure I should get a smaller jib and a second reef put in my main for those windy times. My sails are Elliot Pattison and I have been very happy with them. The jib is a standard one. I asked Elliot Pattison for a price for a storm jib and he wondered if an 85% jib might make more sense. He said the storm jib is probably best for heaving to in over 25 to 30 knots of wind, as opposed to sailing which the 85% would be better for. I do like strong wind and the ability to sail in it, plus it seems prudent to be able to continue to function as the wind climbs uncomfortably. I haven't heard of Montgomery 15's with more than 2 reef points so assume that 2 is a reasonable maximum. In addition to wondering what size jib would allow me to progress in as strong winds as it is reasonable to make progress in a Montgomery 15, I wonder what size jib would best match a typical Montgomery 15 main with two reefs in it. What are the group's thoughts? Thanks so much in advance. David Grah Bishop California Montgomery 15 - Sky
Hi all - I have been talking to Harry at EP also. Trying to determine the best sails for me (and the 23') to start with and with an eye on Mexico in October. I think I may get a 85% also. Harry had some good insight that may be helpful to others..... "Personally I think that if you are not racing there is a lot to be said for having a sail somewhat smaller than a 150%. I like the idea of using something like a 140% because it still has enough overlap to keep your full pointing ability, it is an easier sail to handle because it is smaller, and it up the wind range where you need to shift to a smaller sail. It will give slightly less performance in under 7 or 8 knots of wind, but that difference is very small. However even with a small #1 sail, 135% or 140%, you still need a small jib for heavy air sailing. If you were hard core racing then yes, there is gap in the middle that could gain you a little bit in some conditions. However if you go with the 140% which would be a weight heavier you can use that sail with a reef in the main and it will take you up into the high teens. At that point you can go to the small jib and a full main and sail the boat very comfortably and efficiently." Additional opinions & thoughts welcomed! Todd Bradley M-23 #86 -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of David Grah Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 5:23 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Fw: Small Jibs for Montgomery 15 Thanks for the replies and input on the best size of a small jib. I didn't hear anything that suggests to go against Harry's advice so will get the 85% jib. I believe it will best balance a main with two reefs in. I'll report how I like it after I have the chance to use it a time or two. David Grah ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: David Grah <d_b_grah@yahoo.com> To: "montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 5:48 PM Subject: Small Jibs for Montgomery 15 I am interested in the groups thoughts on small jibs for my Montgomery 15. I have always been a little slow to reef. For instance, I was out with one of my brothers and one of his kids in the Montgomery 15 out of the Berkeley Marina in the San Francisco Bay in some typical summer wind. The wind was comfortable without reefs or a small(er) headsail with my 200 pound or so brother helping me hold the boat down. I did notice once we were out that every single other boat around, most in the 30's of feet long, were all reefed. I have never had the option of a smaller jib on this boat. Doing it again, I probably still wouldn't have reefed that day with the ballast I had along. Still, reducing sail area is something I should be able to do, especially as I start to venture off shore a bit more and further away from harbors. My main has a single reef, which I have only used once. I am planning a trip to the Sea of Cortez this October. Jerry Montgomery mentioned the idea here and I liked it so am planning to go. Any body of water has stories of how strong it can blow there, and the Sea of Cortez is not exception. Because I would like to be able to venture out a ways while there and be able to get around if the wind does pick up, I figure I should get a smaller jib and a second reef put in my main for those windy times. My sails are Elliot Pattison and I have been very happy with them. The jib is a standard one. I asked Elliot Pattison for a price for a storm jib and he wondered if an 85% jib might make more sense. He said the storm jib is probably best for heaving to in over 25 to 30 knots of wind, as opposed to sailing which the 85% would be better for. I do like strong wind and the ability to sail in it, plus it seems prudent to be able to continue to function as the wind climbs uncomfortably. I haven't heard of Montgomery 15's with more than 2 reef points so assume that 2 is a reasonable maximum. In addition to wondering what size jib would allow me to progress in as strong winds as it is reasonable to make progress in a Montgomery 15, I wonder what size jib would best match a typical Montgomery 15 main with two reefs in it. What are the group's thoughts? Thanks so much in advance. David Grah Bishop California Montgomery 15 - Sky
I'd still get a storm jib- they don't cost much and last forever. The 15 will sail really well in 30 kn winds in cruising mode (lots of weight, stored low, of course) with a single reef and a storm jib. I've only had 30 kn once in Mexico but it blew 25 and 30 every day for a week. My advice? Get both. jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Grah" <d_b_grah@yahoo.com> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 5:22 PM Subject: M_Boats: Fw: Small Jibs for Montgomery 15 Thanks for the replies and input on the best size of a small jib. I didn't hear anything that suggests to go against Harry's advice so will get the 85% jib. I believe it will best balance a main with two reefs in. I'll report how I like it after I have the chance to use it a time or two. David Grah ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: David Grah <d_b_grah@yahoo.com> To: "montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 5:48 PM Subject: Small Jibs for Montgomery 15 I am interested in the groups thoughts on small jibs for my Montgomery 15. I have always been a little slow to reef. For instance, I was out with one of my brothers and one of his kids in the Montgomery 15 out of the Berkeley Marina in the San Francisco Bay in some typical summer wind. The wind was comfortable without reefs or a small(er) headsail with my 200 pound or so brother helping me hold the boat down. I did notice once we were out that every single other boat around, most in the 30's of feet long, were all reefed. I have never had the option of a smaller jib on this boat. Doing it again, I probably still wouldn't have reefed that day with the ballast I had along. Still, reducing sail area is something I should be able to do, especially as I start to venture off shore a bit more and further away from harbors. My main has a single reef, which I have only used once. I am planning a trip to the Sea of Cortez this October. Jerry Montgomery mentioned the idea here and I liked it so am planning to go. Any body of water has stories of how strong it can blow there, and the Sea of Cortez is not exception. Because I would like to be able to venture out a ways while there and be able to get around if the wind does pick up, I figure I should get a smaller jib and a second reef put in my main for those windy times. My sails are Elliot Pattison and I have been very happy with them. The jib is a standard one. I asked Elliot Pattison for a price for a storm jib and he wondered if an 85% jib might make more sense. He said the storm jib is probably best for heaving to in over 25 to 30 knots of wind, as opposed to sailing which the 85% would be better for. I do like strong wind and the ability to sail in it, plus it seems prudent to be able to continue to function as the wind climbs uncomfortably. I haven't heard of Montgomery 15's with more than 2 reef points so assume that 2 is a reasonable maximum. In addition to wondering what size jib would allow me to progress in as strong winds as it is reasonable to make progress in a Montgomery 15, I wonder what size jib would best match a typical Montgomery 15 main with two reefs in it. What are the group's thoughts? Thanks so much in advance. David Grah Bishop California Montgomery 15 - Sky -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. SPAMfighter has removed 10222 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len Do you have a slow PC? Try a Free scan http://www.spamfighter.com/SLOW-PCfighter?cid=sigen
When Jerry Montgomery gives advice, it is hard to ignore. I'm getting both. David Grah ________________________________ From: jerry montgomery <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> To: David Grah <d_b_grah@yahoo.com>; For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, March 2, 2014 10:13 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Fw: Small Jibs for Montgomery 15 I'd still get a storm jib- they don't cost much and last forever. The 15 will sail really well in 30 kn winds in cruising mode (lots of weight, stored low, of course) with a single reef and a storm jib. I've only had 30 kn once in Mexico but it blew 25 and 30 every day for a week. My advice? Get both. jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Grah" <d_b_grah@yahoo.com> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 5:22 PM Subject: M_Boats: Fw: Small Jibs for Montgomery 15 Thanks for the replies and input on the best size of a small jib. I didn't hear anything that suggests to go against Harry's advice so will get the 85% jib. I believe it will best balance a main with two reefs in. I'll report how I like it after I have the chance to use it a time or two. David Grah ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: David Grah <d_b_grah@yahoo.com> To: "montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 5:48 PM Subject: Small Jibs for Montgomery 15 I am interested in the groups thoughts on small jibs for my Montgomery 15. I have always been a little slow to reef. For instance, I was out with one of my brothers and one of his kids in the Montgomery 15 out of the Berkeley Marina in the San Francisco Bay in some typical summer wind. The wind was comfortable without reefs or a small(er) headsail with my 200 pound or so brother helping me hold the boat down. I did notice once we were out that every single other boat around, most in the 30's of feet long, were all reefed. I have never had the option of a smaller jib on this boat. Doing it again, I probably still wouldn't have reefed that day with the ballast I had along. Still, reducing sail area is something I should be able to do, especially as I start to venture off shore a bit more and further away from harbors. My main has a single reef, which I have only used once. I am planning a trip to the Sea of Cortez this October. Jerry Montgomery mentioned the idea here and I liked it so am planning to go. Any body of water has stories of how strong it can blow there, and the Sea of Cortez is not exception. Because I would like to be able to venture out a ways while there and be able to get around if the wind does pick up, I figure I should get a smaller jib and a second reef put in my main for those windy times. My sails are Elliot Pattison and I have been very happy with them. The jib is a standard one. I asked Elliot Pattison for a price for a storm jib and he wondered if an 85% jib might make more sense. He said the storm jib is probably best for heaving to in over 25 to 30 knots of wind, as opposed to sailing which the 85% would be better for. I do like strong wind and the ability to sail in it, plus it seems prudent to be able to continue to function as the wind climbs uncomfortably. I haven't heard of Montgomery 15's with more than 2 reef points so assume that 2 is a reasonable maximum. In addition to wondering what size jib would allow me to progress in as strong winds as it is reasonable to make progress in a Montgomery 15, I wonder what size jib would best match a typical Montgomery 15 main with two reefs in it. What are the group's thoughts? Thanks so much in advance. David Grah Bishop California Montgomery 15 - Sky
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Todd Bradley -
Tom Smith