For the last year or so whenever someone posts a photo to the group and I click on the link to the photo at the bottom of the message, I get a 404 / not found message. Clicking the link used to work and I have saved a number of images over the years. When I have queried the group about this issue of the links not working, no one else seems to have the issue. I get messages all together in a digest, but I wouldn't think that would be a problem. And example of one message in the digest is below. I really miss being able to see the photos. I am not as familiar as I could be with the renovated Montgomery photo site but wonder if it is a good place to post an individual photo to go with an individual post to the group. Does anybody have an insights? David GrahBishop CaliforniaMontgomery 15 - Sky Message: 1 Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2017 11:05:59 -0800 From: John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Boom End sheeting Message-ID: <ab80702a-1305-4720-ef5f-6a4b38249025@eco-living.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; Format="flowed" Where would your cam cleat be for the mainsheet? Both sides, like Douglas' setup, or...? I've sailed a couple boats (Ensenada 20, Potter 19) with boom end sheeting and the mainsheet cleat on a swivel block on just one side (starboard on the E20, can't recall on the Potter). It was fine when sitting opposite the cleat side; I found it rather awkward when sitting on same side as cleat. The earlier M17's like mine had the traveler just aft of the companionway, rather than mid-cockpit. It's easy to keep it clear of everything when not sailing; it's only a bit in the way when passengers are sitting all the way forward and don't know to keep their feet out of the way of the sheet. Mine is a bit customized because when I got the boat, the original floor mounted stop pin traveler had been replaced with a 4 ft. rail & windward sheeting car fastened to the top of the seats. I cut it down and moved it to just below and behind the companionway threshold, and I'm happy with it there. Picture attached - you can see the marks on the seats where the full length rail was before, and the old holes from the original traveler mounting just a bit aft of the current traveler. So if what you're trying to do is get your mainsheet out of the middle of the cockpit, you could move it either forward or aft... cheers, John S. On 01/14/2017 05:32 PM, Wilson Frye wrote:
Hey, all,
I am looking for advice on boom sheeting.
As you know, the Montgomery 17 boom sheeting is done mid-boom, with a traveler in the floor of the cockpit. I have been thinking about moving the sheet to the boom end to get the sheet out of the middle of the cockpit. I am considering installing a fiddle block on the boom end, with single block with becket on one quarter, and a single block on the other, similar to the Norsea 27 sheeting arrangement.
Has anyone made such a change, and if so, how did it work out?
Thanks for any comments.
Will
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
Looks like a technical issue with using Lurker (software) to archive the Mailman (software) list posts. If you search on that you'll find various very geeky references to such issues, such as: http://grokbase.com/t/python/mailman-users/093b9ej7fc/mailman-digest-archivi... So whoever admins and configures the list to use Lurker would need to intervene at a system admin level and fix that, if it's fixable. Right now - and probably since you noticed the change in the link failing for digest posts - something has been broken that used to work. And yeah, ideally if we put our images on the web somewhere (MSOG photos site, Flicker, Smugmug, our own site, wherever...), then we can provide a link to them that will persist, and it will work regardless of digest or non-digest option. cheers, John S. On 01/16/2017 04:33 PM, David Grah via montgomery_boats wrote:
For the last year or so whenever someone posts a photo to the group and I click on the link to the photo at the bottom of the message, I get a 404 / not found message. Clicking the link used to work and I have saved a number of images over the years. When I have queried the group about this issue of the links not working, no one else seems to have the issue. I get messages all together in a digest, but I wouldn't think that would be a problem. And example of one message in the digest is below. I really miss being able to see the photos.
I am not as familiar as I could be with the renovated Montgomery photo site but wonder if it is a good place to post an individual photo to go with an individual post to the group. Does anybody have an insights?
David GrahBishop CaliforniaMontgomery 15 - Sky Message: 1 Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2017 11:05:59 -0800 From: John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Boom End sheeting Message-ID: <ab80702a-1305-4720-ef5f-6a4b38249025@eco-living.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; Format="flowed"
Where would your cam cleat be for the mainsheet?
Both sides, like Douglas' setup, or...?
I've sailed a couple boats (Ensenada 20, Potter 19) with boom end sheeting and the mainsheet cleat on a swivel block on just one side (starboard on the E20, can't recall on the Potter). It was fine when sitting opposite the cleat side; I found it rather awkward when sitting on same side as cleat.
The earlier M17's like mine had the traveler just aft of the companionway, rather than mid-cockpit. It's easy to keep it clear of everything when not sailing; it's only a bit in the way when passengers are sitting all the way forward and don't know to keep their feet out of the way of the sheet.
Mine is a bit customized because when I got the boat, the original floor mounted stop pin traveler had been replaced with a 4 ft. rail & windward sheeting car fastened to the top of the seats. I cut it down and moved it to just below and behind the companionway threshold, and I'm happy with it there. Picture attached - you can see the marks on the seats where the full length rail was before, and the old holes from the original traveler mounting just a bit aft of the current traveler.
So if what you're trying to do is get your mainsheet out of the middle of the cockpit, you could move it either forward or aft...
cheers, John S.
On 01/14/2017 05:32 PM, Wilson Frye wrote:
Hey, all,
I am looking for advice on boom sheeting.
As you know, the Montgomery 17 boom sheeting is done mid-boom, with a traveler in the floor of the cockpit. I have been thinking about moving the sheet to the boom end to get the sheet out of the middle of the cockpit. I am considering installing a fiddle block on the boom end, with single block with becket on one quarter, and a single block on the other, similar to the Norsea 27 sheeting arrangement.
Has anyone made such a change, and if so, how did it work out?
Thanks for any comments.
Will
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
Hi John, Oh, I did get that used mainsail some time ago. A friend of mine who used gmail was also able to open the pictures. So I guess you were right in your supposition. I put up a bunch of stuff on the MSOG photo site but that is about the limit of what I want to chance with my computer lest I erase everything else on it.. Fair winds. Tom B On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 7:00 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Looks like a technical issue with using Lurker (software) to archive the Mailman (software) list posts. If you search on that you'll find various very geeky references to such issues, such as: http://grokbase.com/t/python/mailman-users/093b9ej7fc/mailma n-digest-archiving-and-lurker
So whoever admins and configures the list to use Lurker would need to intervene at a system admin level and fix that, if it's fixable. Right now - and probably since you noticed the change in the link failing for digest posts - something has been broken that used to work.
And yeah, ideally if we put our images on the web somewhere (MSOG photos site, Flicker, Smugmug, our own site, wherever...), then we can provide a link to them that will persist, and it will work regardless of digest or non-digest option.
cheers, John S.
On 01/16/2017 04:33 PM, David Grah via montgomery_boats wrote:
For the last year or so whenever someone posts a photo to the group and I click on the link to the photo at the bottom of the message, I get a 404 / not found message. Clicking the link used to work and I have saved a number of images over the years. When I have queried the group about this issue of the links not working, no one else seems to have the issue. I get messages all together in a digest, but I wouldn't think that would be a problem. And example of one message in the digest is below. I really miss being able to see the photos.
I am not as familiar as I could be with the renovated Montgomery photo site but wonder if it is a good place to post an individual photo to go with an individual post to the group. Does anybody have an insights?
David GrahBishop CaliforniaMontgomery 15 - Sky Message: 1 Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2017 11:05:59 -0800 From: John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Boom End sheeting Message-ID: <ab80702a-1305-4720-ef5f-6a4b38249025@eco-living.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; Format="flowed"
Where would your cam cleat be for the mainsheet?
Both sides, like Douglas' setup, or...?
I've sailed a couple boats (Ensenada 20, Potter 19) with boom end sheeting and the mainsheet cleat on a swivel block on just one side (starboard on the E20, can't recall on the Potter). It was fine when sitting opposite the cleat side; I found it rather awkward when sitting on same side as cleat.
The earlier M17's like mine had the traveler just aft of the companionway, rather than mid-cockpit. It's easy to keep it clear of everything when not sailing; it's only a bit in the way when passengers are sitting all the way forward and don't know to keep their feet out of the way of the sheet.
Mine is a bit customized because when I got the boat, the original floor mounted stop pin traveler had been replaced with a 4 ft. rail & windward sheeting car fastened to the top of the seats. I cut it down and moved it to just below and behind the companionway threshold, and I'm happy with it there. Picture attached - you can see the marks on the seats where the full length rail was before, and the old holes from the original traveler mounting just a bit aft of the current traveler.
So if what you're trying to do is get your mainsheet out of the middle of the cockpit, you could move it either forward or aft...
cheers, John S.
On 01/14/2017 05:32 PM, Wilson Frye wrote:
Hey, all,
I am looking for advice on boom sheeting.
As you know, the Montgomery 17 boom sheeting is done mid-boom, with a traveler in the floor of the cockpit. I have been thinking about moving the sheet to the boom end to get the sheet out of the middle of the cockpit. I am considering installing a fiddle block on the boom end, with single block with becket on one quarter, and a single block on the other, similar to the Norsea 27 sheeting arrangement.
Has anyone made such a change, and if so, how did it work out?
Thanks for any comments.
Will
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
I know what you mean, David. I too have had no luck in opening photos shared by others. I posted quite a few on the MSOG photosite. It is very straight forward once you learn how and the learning curve isn't bad. If I can do it.......... Don't know if I can isolate a picture of those Lake Erie waves and get one on the photosite though. Tom B On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 6:33 PM, David Grah via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
For the last year or so whenever someone posts a photo to the group and I click on the link to the photo at the bottom of the message, I get a 404 / not found message. Clicking the link used to work and I have saved a number of images over the years. When I have queried the group about this issue of the links not working, no one else seems to have the issue. I get messages all together in a digest, but I wouldn't think that would be a problem. And example of one message in the digest is below. I really miss being able to see the photos.
I am not as familiar as I could be with the renovated Montgomery photo site but wonder if it is a good place to post an individual photo to go with an individual post to the group. Does anybody have an insights?
David GrahBishop CaliforniaMontgomery 15 - Sky Message: 1 Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2017 11:05:59 -0800 From: John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Boom End sheeting Message-ID: <ab80702a-1305-4720-ef5f-6a4b38249025@eco-living.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; Format="flowed"
Where would your cam cleat be for the mainsheet?
Both sides, like Douglas' setup, or...?
I've sailed a couple boats (Ensenada 20, Potter 19) with boom end sheeting and the mainsheet cleat on a swivel block on just one side (starboard on the E20, can't recall on the Potter). It was fine when sitting opposite the cleat side; I found it rather awkward when sitting on same side as cleat.
The earlier M17's like mine had the traveler just aft of the companionway, rather than mid-cockpit. It's easy to keep it clear of everything when not sailing; it's only a bit in the way when passengers are sitting all the way forward and don't know to keep their feet out of the way of the sheet.
Mine is a bit customized because when I got the boat, the original floor mounted stop pin traveler had been replaced with a 4 ft. rail & windward sheeting car fastened to the top of the seats. I cut it down and moved it to just below and behind the companionway threshold, and I'm happy with it there. Picture attached - you can see the marks on the seats where the full length rail was before, and the old holes from the original traveler mounting just a bit aft of the current traveler.
So if what you're trying to do is get your mainsheet out of the middle of the cockpit, you could move it either forward or aft...
cheers, John S.
On 01/14/2017 05:32 PM, Wilson Frye wrote:
Hey, all,
I am looking for advice on boom sheeting.
As you know, the Montgomery 17 boom sheeting is done mid-boom, with a traveler in the floor of the cockpit. I have been thinking about moving the sheet to the boom end to get the sheet out of the middle of the cockpit. I am considering installing a fiddle block on the boom end, with single block with becket on one quarter, and a single block on the other, similar to the Norsea 27 sheeting arrangement.
Has anyone made such a change, and if so, how did it work out?
Thanks for any comments.
Will
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
Maybe this is what you're looking for: http://www.boredpanda.com/the-freak-liquid-mountains-of-lake-erie/ Same photog, a different site: https://petapixel.com/2015/12/10/photographer-captures-powerful-waves-on-lak... If not the ones you were trying to share, still pretty fascinating wave photography... cheers, John S. On 01/16/2017 07:04 PM, Thomas Buzzi wrote:
I know what you mean, David. I too have had no luck in opening photos shared by others. I posted quite a few on the MSOG photosite. It is very straight forward once you learn how and the learning curve isn't bad. If I can do it.......... Don't know if I can isolate a picture of those Lake Erie waves and get one on the photosite though.
Tom B
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
That's it John, good work! When I think of my 17 in anything like that I get the shakes. On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 12:26 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Maybe this is what you're looking for: http://www.boredpanda.com/the-freak-liquid-mountains-of-lake-erie/
Same photog, a different site: https://petapixel.com/2015/12/10/photographer-captures-power ful-waves-on-lake-erie-as-liquid-mountains/
If not the ones you were trying to share, still pretty fascinating wave photography...
cheers, John S.
On 01/16/2017 07:04 PM, Thomas Buzzi wrote:
I know what you mean, David. I too have had no luck in opening photos shared by others. I posted quite a few on the MSOG photosite. It is very straight forward once you learn how and the learning curve isn't bad. If I can do it.......... Don't know if I can isolate a picture of those Lake Erie waves and get one on the photosite though.
Tom B
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
On 1/17/2017 2:14 PM, Thomas Buzzi wrote: Hi Tom, That's why you need a barometer on board to give you some warning of a front like this coming through.... I totally, agree; I want no part of this - this is when I want to be in a snug harbor waiting for the angry seas to get reasonable again. Ciao, Connie
That's it John, good work! When I think of my 17 in anything like that I get the shakes.
On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 12:26 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Maybe this is what you're looking for: http://www.boredpanda.com/the-freak-liquid-mountains-of-lake-erie/
Same photog, a different site: https://petapixel.com/2015/12/10/photographer-captures-power ful-waves-on-lake-erie-as-liquid-mountains/
If not the ones you were trying to share, still pretty fascinating wave photography...
cheers, John S.
On 01/16/2017 07:04 PM, Thomas Buzzi wrote:
I know what you mean, David. I too have had no luck in opening photos shared by others. I posted quite a few on the MSOG photosite. It is very straight forward once you learn how and the learning curve isn't bad. If I can do it.......... Don't know if I can isolate a picture of those Lake Erie waves and get one on the photosite though.
Tom B
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
Actually, Connie, I did shoehorn a barometer onto the port bulkhead right over the sink right next to the microwave and above the dishwasher. If you check my pictures on MSOG photo site you will see it. 😉 On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 3:20 PM, Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com> wrote:
On 1/17/2017 2:14 PM, Thomas Buzzi wrote: Hi Tom, That's why you need a barometer on board to give you some warning of a front like this coming through....
I totally, agree; I want no part of this - this is when I want to be in a snug harbor waiting for the angry seas to get reasonable again.
Ciao, Connie
That's it John, good work! When I think of my 17 in anything like that I get the shakes.
On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 12:26 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Maybe this is what you're looking for:
http://www.boredpanda.com/the-freak-liquid-mountains-of-lake-erie/
Same photog, a different site: https://petapixel.com/2015/12/10/photographer-captures-power ful-waves-on-lake-erie-as-liquid-mountains/
If not the ones you were trying to share, still pretty fascinating wave photography...
cheers, John S.
On 01/16/2017 07:04 PM, Thomas Buzzi wrote:
I know what you mean, David. I too have had no luck in opening photos
shared by others. I posted quite a few on the MSOG photosite. It is very straight forward once you learn how and the learning curve isn't bad. If I can do it.......... Don't know if I can isolate a picture of those Lake Erie waves and get one on the photosite though.
Tom B
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
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