Hi, I just recently bought a Montgomery 17 and towed her home in east central Texas. Usually we have year round sailing here (not to rub it in) but are currently having an ice storm that makes most Texans shake their heads in disbelief. Quite frustrating to a new boat owner as well !!!!!! But milder weather won't be too far away. Plenty of time to surf the net with a hot cup of coffee by my side, looking for upgrades and modifications to be made to the boat. One question I have is about power for accessories- I imagine there are quite a few Montgomery's that have a battery for VHF, lights, accessories and all. This 17 does. A heavy deep cycle battery at that. I was wondering, how do you monitor the state of charge in the battery? My current mode will be to fully charge it at home, then hope to made due on the first multi-day camping trip. Don't intend to run much stuff off of it but it would be nice to have a anchoring light at night, lights to read by, hang some X-mas lights for a festive evening, etc, but don't want to unexpectedly discharge the battery, be able to ration for the weekend. Also, would like to get some sort of solar panel to recharge during the day. Any thoughts or experience with this? Stay warm! George J. Caldwell TX Montgomery 17 #600
Quick Question, What year did the M15's go to a "LEAD" keel? Thanks Christian
Christian, Best I understand, it was in 1988 that all Monty's began being built using lead ballast in the keel. I believe it was early 1988 for the M15 and mid-1988 for the M17. The M15 and newer M17 centerboards are also lead ballasted. The M17's started using the same centerboard as the M15's in early 1988. With the M15 I believe the centerboards became lead ballasted before the keel, but not sure how much before. Our M17 was built during this transition. She was built in Jan. of 1988 and has the newer lead centerboard, but the older punching ballast Someone please correct me if I am wrong. Randy G. M17 #410 From: m15@frontiernet.net Sent: Wed 1/17/2007 1:26 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats; Jorge Johnson Cc: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lead Keel Quick Question, What year did the M15's go to a "LEAD" keel? Thanks Christian _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
Larry,Randy and Ashley Thank you for your quick response! I'm sure there are plenty of great M15's that have the metal keels with no issues as most M15's I imagine are on their trailers more than in the water. but... If I can have one with Lead why not. (Thanks Larry for the earlier information). This is a great group of people on this board. Like minds... Like Monty's! Have a good rest of the week! Christian Quoting RandyG <RandyG@cite.nic.edu>:
Christian,
Best I understand, it was in 1988 that all Monty's began being built using lead ballast in the keel. I believe it was early 1988 for the M15 and mid-1988 for the M17. The M15 and newer M17 centerboards are also lead ballasted. The M17's started using the same centerboard as the M15's in early 1988. With the M15 I believe the centerboards became lead ballasted before the keel, but not sure how much before.
Our M17 was built during this transition. She was built in Jan. of 1988 and has the newer lead centerboard, but the older punching ballast
Someone please correct me if I am wrong. Randy G. M17 #410
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Quick Question,
What year did the M15's go to a "LEAD" keel?
Thanks Christian
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This "lead keel" question is for Jerry Montgomery. Bob Eeg might know too. ---L. Hughston M-15 #189 (1981 manufacture) -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+larry.hughston=dgs.ca.gov@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+larry.hughston=dgs.ca.gov@mailman.xmiss ion.com] On Behalf Of m15@frontiernet.net Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 1:27 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats; Jorge Johnson Cc: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lead Keel Quick Question, What year did the M15's go to a "LEAD" keel? Thanks Christian _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
Christian, I might be able to help with your question. It was some time in 1988 that M15 went to lead ballast in the keel. I believe M15 centerboards started using lead as the ballast some time before the keels became lead ballasted. As I understand it, early M15's used shot as the ballast in the centerboard. We sailed 1988 M15 #407 for many years. The ballast in the keel area was not lead, but the ballast in the centerboard was lead (a sheet of lead sandwiched between two sheets of fiberglass). Same with our 1988 M17 #410, she has a fiberglass centerboard with lead ballast, but the keel is ballasted with steel punching. As I understand it, it was sometime during the 1988 production year that all boats switched to lead. Also, the fiberglass centerboard in the M17 is the same fiberglass centerboard used in the M15, this is true even today. M17's up until late 1987 used a 220 - 240 lb cast iron centerboard. The fiberglass centerboard weighs about 40 lbs.... (or is it 70 lbs.....). I think my dates are close, others can pitch-in with more accurate information. Randy Graves M17 #410 From: Hughston, Larry Sent: Tue 3/13/2007 3:39 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: RE: M_Boats: Lead Keel This "lead keel" question is for Jerry Montgomery. Bob Eeg might know too. ---L. Hughston M-15 #189 (1981 manufacture) -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+larry.hughston=dgs.ca.gov@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+larry.hughston=dgs.ca.gov@mailman.xmiss ion.com] On Behalf Of m15@frontiernet.net Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 1:27 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats; Jorge Johnson Cc: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lead Keel Quick Question, What year did the M15's go to a "LEAD" keel? Thanks Christian _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
I thought the M15 went lead around 2002. I know Bob and Jerry both read the messages, to they can chip in with better info. You can see the steel punchings that was used in previous years on Sean's site. He has a great photo essay on replacing it with lead shot on his boat. Joe Moore M15 #641 On 3/13/07 7:20 PM, "RandyG" <RandyG@cite.nic.edu> wrote:
Christian,
I might be able to help with your question. It was some time in 1988 that M15 went to lead ballast in the keel. I believe M15 centerboards started using lead as the ballast some time before the keels became lead ballasted. As I understand it, early M15's used shot as the ballast in the centerboard.
We sailed 1988 M15 #407 for many years. The ballast in the keel area was not lead, but the ballast in the centerboard was lead (a sheet of lead sandwiched between two sheets of fiberglass). Same with our 1988 M17 #410, she has a fiberglass centerboard with lead ballast, but the keel is ballasted with steel punching. As I understand it, it was sometime during the 1988 production year that all boats switched to lead.
Also, the fiberglass centerboard in the M17 is the same fiberglass centerboard used in the M15, this is true even today. M17's up until late 1987 used a 220 - 240 lb cast iron centerboard. The fiberglass centerboard weighs about 40 lbs.... (or is it 70 lbs.....).
I think my dates are close, others can pitch-in with more accurate information.
Randy Graves M17 #410
From: Hughston, Larry Sent: Tue 3/13/2007 3:39 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: RE: M_Boats: Lead Keel
This "lead keel" question is for Jerry Montgomery. Bob Eeg might know too.
---L. Hughston M-15 #189 (1981 manufacture)
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Quick Question,
What year did the M15's go to a "LEAD" keel?
Thanks Christian
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How can I find Sean's site re; replacing punchings with lead shot? Jim Sadler On 3/13/07, Joe Moore <jmoore@kconline.com> wrote:
I thought the M15 went lead around 2002. I know Bob and Jerry both read the messages, to they can chip in with better info. You can see the steel punchings that was used in previous years on Sean's site. He has a great photo essay on replacing it with lead shot on his boat.
Joe Moore M15 #641
On 3/13/07 7:20 PM, "RandyG" <RandyG@cite.nic.edu> wrote:
Christian,
I might be able to help with your question. It was some time in 1988 that M15 went to lead ballast in the keel. I believe M15 centerboards started using lead as the ballast some time before the keels became lead ballasted. As I understand it, early M15's used shot as the ballast in the centerboard.
We sailed 1988 M15 #407 for many years. The ballast in the keel area was not lead, but the ballast in the centerboard was lead (a sheet of lead sandwiched between two sheets of fiberglass). Same with our 1988 M17 #410, she has a fiberglass centerboard with lead ballast, but the keel is ballasted with steel punching. As I understand it, it was sometime during the 1988 production year that all boats switched to lead.
Also, the fiberglass centerboard in the M17 is the same fiberglass centerboard used in the M15, this is true even today. M17's up until late 1987 used a 220 - 240 lb cast iron centerboard. The fiberglass centerboard weighs about 40 lbs.... (or is it 70 lbs.....).
I think my dates are close, others can pitch-in with more accurate information.
Randy Graves M17 #410
From: Hughston, Larry Sent: Tue 3/13/2007 3:39 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: RE: M_Boats: Lead Keel
This "lead keel" question is for Jerry Montgomery. Bob Eeg might know too.
---L. Hughston M-15 #189 (1981 manufacture)
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Quick Question,
What year did the M15's go to a "LEAD" keel?
Thanks Christian
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Someone mentioned checking with a magnet. This (with a strong magnet) verified that there's steel in the keel of my '88, #412. But it doesn't seem to be everywhere, the magnet wasn't attracted near the front or rear. It could just be that the fiberglass is too thick there, though. I was kind of hoping there'd be no attraction anywhere. ~ John Tyner M-15 #412 "Chimpanzee" -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+tynerjr=md.metrocast.net@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+tynerjr=md.metrocast.net@mailman.xmissi on.com]On Behalf Of RandyG Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 7:20 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: RE: M_Boats: Lead Keel Christian, I might be able to help with your question. It was some time in 1988 that M15 went to lead ballast in the keel. I believe M15 centerboards started using lead as the ballast some time before the keels became lead ballasted. As I understand it, early M15's used shot as the ballast in the centerboard. We sailed 1988 M15 #407 for many years. The ballast in the keel area was not lead, but the ballast in the centerboard was lead (a sheet of lead sandwiched between two sheets of fiberglass). Same with our 1988 M17 #410, she has a fiberglass centerboard with lead ballast, but the keel is ballasted with steel punching. As I understand it, it was sometime during the 1988 production year that all boats switched to lead. Also, the fiberglass centerboard in the M17 is the same fiberglass centerboard used in the M15, this is true even today. M17's up until late 1987 used a 220 - 240 lb cast iron centerboard. The fiberglass centerboard weighs about 40 lbs.... (or is it 70 lbs.....). I think my dates are close, others can pitch-in with more accurate information. Randy Graves M17 #410 From: Hughston, Larry Sent: Tue 3/13/2007 3:39 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: RE: M_Boats: Lead Keel This "lead keel" question is for Jerry Montgomery. Bob Eeg might know too. ---L. Hughston M-15 #189 (1981 manufacture) -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+larry.hughston=dgs.ca.gov@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+larry.hughston=dgs.ca.gov@mailman.xmiss ion.com] On Behalf Of m15@frontiernet.net Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 1:27 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats; Jorge Johnson Cc: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lead Keel Quick Question, What year did the M15's go to a "LEAD" keel? Thanks Christian _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
Thanks for the information I guess a magnet on the keel will tell the story when looking for a Monty in that year range. I sold my Ranger20, and am without a sailboat for the first time in a long time bought the kids an 89 SeaRay ski boat.. Yikes... Guess I could refine the sail I put on my Porta Bote. Until Im ready to purchase a Monty 15. Thank you! again Christian F. Portabote 89Searayskiboat. Quoting "Hughston, Larry" <Larry.Hughston@dgs.ca.gov>:
This "lead keel" question is for Jerry Montgomery. Bob Eeg might know too.
---L. Hughston M-15 #189 (1981 manufacture)
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Quick Question,
What year did the M15's go to a "LEAD" keel?
Thanks Christian
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Well Christian, I will not see you on Folsom with your Ranger20. Where will the new owner keep his new Ranger20? .....Folsom? As for me, the micro work on the micro cruiser continues.....I was forced to go to Hawaii....just got back....I can take just so much of paradise. First trip..... Fair Winds.....Watch that wake! ----Larry Hughston.......hull #189 Montgomery 15 -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+larry.hughston=dgs.ca.gov@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+larry.hughston=dgs.ca.gov@mailman.xmiss ion.com] On Behalf Of m15@frontiernet.net Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 9:03 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: RE: M_Boats: Lead Keel Thanks for the information I guess a magnet on the keel will tell the story when looking for a Monty in that year range. I sold my Ranger20, and am without a sailboat for the first time in a long time bought the kids an 89 SeaRay ski boat.. Yikes... Guess I could refine the sail I put on my Porta Bote. Until Im ready to purchase a Monty 15. Thank you! again Christian F. Portabote 89Searayskiboat. Quoting "Hughston, Larry" <Larry.Hughston@dgs.ca.gov>:
This "lead keel" question is for Jerry Montgomery. Bob Eeg might know
too.
---L. Hughston M-15 #189 (1981 manufacture)
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Quick Question,
What year did the M15's go to a "LEAD" keel?
Thanks Christian
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Im guessing 88 or 89; shortly after I moved to Sac-o-tomatoes. Jerry jerrymontgomery.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hughston, Larry" <Larry.Hughston@dgs.ca.gov> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 2:39 PM Subject: RE: M_Boats: Lead Keel This "lead keel" question is for Jerry Montgomery. Bob Eeg might know too. ---L. Hughston M-15 #189 (1981 manufacture) -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+larry.hughston=dgs.ca.gov@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+larry.hughston=dgs.ca.gov@mailman.xmiss ion.com] On Behalf Of m15@frontiernet.net Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 1:27 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats; Jorge Johnson Cc: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lead Keel Quick Question, What year did the M15's go to a "LEAD" keel? Thanks Christian _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.10/720 - Release Date: 3/12/2007 7:19 PM
Thanks for confirmation... Jerry. Looking forward to owning a M15 someday sailing the bay/delta and local lakes here in Sac-o-tomatoes... Regards, Christian F. Quoting jerry <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org>:
Im guessing 88 or 89; shortly after I moved to Sac-o-tomatoes.
Jerry jerrymontgomery.org
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This "lead keel" question is for Jerry Montgomery. Bob Eeg might know too.
---L. Hughston M-15 #189 (1981 manufacture)
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Quick Question,
What year did the M15's go to a "LEAD" keel?
Thanks Christian
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Thanks Jerry. I either "SAIL" or "SELL" this year. ---Larry #189 M-15 Sacramento -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+larry.hughston=dgs.ca.gov@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+larry.hughston=dgs.ca.gov@mailman.xmiss ion.com] On Behalf Of jerry Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 8:12 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lead Keel Im guessing 88 or 89; shortly after I moved to Sac-o-tomatoes. Jerry jerrymontgomery.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hughston, Larry" <Larry.Hughston@dgs.ca.gov> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 2:39 PM Subject: RE: M_Boats: Lead Keel This "lead keel" question is for Jerry Montgomery. Bob Eeg might know too. ---L. Hughston M-15 #189 (1981 manufacture) -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+larry.hughston=dgs.ca.gov@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+larry.hughston=dgs.ca.gov@mailman.xmiss ion.com] On Behalf Of m15@frontiernet.net Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 1:27 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats; Jorge Johnson Cc: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lead Keel Quick Question, What year did the M15's go to a "LEAD" keel? Thanks Christian _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.10/720 - Release Date: 3/12/2007 7:19 PM _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
Sorry to bother the list with this. Jerry - please contact me back channel about this. I have emailed 3 times but have not heard from you. Just tell me where to send the check ($120 + shipping). Thanks. shawn@ori.org Shawn Boles Grey Mist (M17 #276 1978)
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