Stuck CB on M17 due to stop pin tang wear
Here is another possible centerboard problem: getting it stuck in the down position, but not due to swelling of board or case. My M17 (Cloud Girl, #393) was reported when I bought it this March to have had the centerboard refinished, and indeed has a new 3/8" yachtbraid pendant. But after my first solo sail a week ago, the board would not come up. I still managed to get it on the trailer, barely and very tilted, and got it back to the storage yard at the south Denver reservoir where I sail her. Yesterday I had the yard workers lift her, we tapped out the stop pin, and discovered the board was jammed against it because the tang was worn just enough. Amazingly, it jammed hard enough to support the weight of the boat! A little welding built up the tang sufficiently to stop against the pin again. The pendant was still attached with a somewhat fat but tight bowline. But after the boat was back on the trailer, I discovered the knot was so big that it had broken through some damaged fiberglass at the top of the centerboard case. I had noticed a bulge and thought it to be water damage somehow. Now I will get to repair that area, after I connect the pendant to the board in a better way. Why isn't it spliced on, I wonder? Winter work on the board system coming up. My appreciations to all who have shared about their board work, and left photos on the msog.org site. Just knowing how everything is situated helped me make this problem manageable. As to the solo sail, I need to arrange a jib downhaul for soloing. While she is a very forgiving boat, there are times when going forward to drop the jib seems foolhardy. And how is it that the M17 seem so nimble and so beefy at the same time?
David, That must be you I saw on Cherry Creek a few weeks ago. Another nicely maintained M17. If yours is a newer boat with the lighter weight CB the knot in the pennant is only supposed to be made with the outer sheath. The inner core is cut out for about 4 inches and a then a regular stopper knot tied in the outer sheath after it is passed through the CB hole. Did you buy the boat that was at Cherry Creek? Thanks Doug Kelch --- On Tue, 8/26/08, David C. Patterson <davidcpatterson@msn.com> wrote: From: David C. Patterson <davidcpatterson@msn.com> Subject: M_Boats: Stuck CB on M17 due to stop pin tang wear To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Date: Tuesday, August 26, 2008, 1:58 PM Here is another possible centerboard problem: getting it stuck in the down position, but not due to swelling of board or case. My M17 (Cloud Girl, #393) was reported when I bought it this March to have had the centerboard refinished, and indeed has a new 3/8" yachtbraid pendant. But after my first solo sail a week ago, the board would not come up. I still managed to get it on the trailer, barely and very tilted, and got it back to the storage yard at the south Denver reservoir where I sail her. Yesterday I had the yard workers lift her, we tapped out the stop pin, and discovered the board was jammed against it because the tang was worn just enough. Amazingly, it jammed hard enough to support the weight of the boat! A little welding built up the tang sufficiently to stop against the pin again. The pendant was still attached with a somewhat fat but tight bowline. But after the boat was back on the trailer, I discovered the knot was so big that it had broken through some damaged fiberglass at the top of the centerboard case. I had noticed a bulge and thought it to be water damage somehow. Now I will get to repair that area, after I connect the pendant to the board in a better way. Why isn't it spliced on, I wonder? Winter work on the board system coming up. My appreciations to all who have shared about their board work, and left photos on the msog.org site. Just knowing how everything is situated helped me make this problem manageable. As to the solo sail, I need to arrange a jib downhaul for soloing. While she is a very forgiving boat, there are times when going forward to drop the jib seems foolhardy. And how is it that the M17 seem so nimble and so beefy at the same time? _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
Hi David, I remembered seeing a suggestion made by Jerry Montgomery. The paragraph below is taken from the page link: http://www.msogphotosite.com/M17CICBord.html "A tip from Jerry Montgomery: The line used to raise and lower the CB is 5/16... The trick is to cut away about 4" of the internal core and use that part to tie off at the CenterBoard, making the knot small enough to fit properly in the CB Trunk". Bill On 8/26/08, David C. Patterson <davidcpatterson@msn.com> wrote:
Here is another possible centerboard problem: getting it stuck in the down position, but not due to swelling of board or case. My M17 (Cloud Girl, #393) was reported when I bought it this March to have had the centerboard refinished, and indeed has a new 3/8" yachtbraid pendant. But after my first solo sail a week ago, the board would not come up. I still managed to get it on the trailer, barely and very tilted, and got it back to the storage yard at the south Denver reservoir where I sail her. Yesterday I had the yard workers lift her, we tapped out the stop pin, and discovered the board was jammed against it because the tang was worn just enough. Amazingly, it jammed hard enough to support the weight of the boat! A little welding built up the tang sufficiently to stop against the pin again. The pendant was still attached with a somewhat fat but tight bowline. But after the boat was back on the trailer, I discovered the knot was so big that it had broken through some damaged fiberglass at the top of the centerboard case. I had noticed a bulge and thought it to be water damage somehow. Now I will get to repair that area, after I connect the pendant to the board in a better way. Why isn't it spliced on, I wonder? Winter work on the board system coming up. My appreciations to all who have shared about their board work, and left photos on the msog.org site. Just knowing how everything is situated helped me make this problem manageable. As to the solo sail, I need to arrange a jib downhaul for soloing. While she is a very forgiving boat, there are times when going forward to drop the jib seems foolhardy. And how is it that the M17 seem so nimble and so beefy at the same time?
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After re-reading your post, I couldn't help but think that the eye splice has been done. And, by Steve Shenkle see this page: http://www.msogphotosite.com/M17KeelMonster.html Bill On 8/26/08, Bill Lamica <billamicasr@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi David, I remembered seeing a suggestion made by Jerry Montgomery. The paragraph below is taken from the page link:
http://www.msogphotosite.com/M17CICBord.html
"A tip from Jerry Montgomery: The line used to raise and lower the CB is 5/16... The trick is to cut away about 4" of the internal core and use that part to tie off at the CenterBoard, making the knot small enough to fit properly in the CB Trunk".
Bill
On 8/26/08, David C. Patterson <davidcpatterson@msn.com> wrote:
Here is another possible centerboard problem: getting it stuck in the down position, but not due to swelling of board or case. My M17 (Cloud Girl, #393) was reported when I bought it this March to have had the centerboard refinished, and indeed has a new 3/8" yachtbraid pendant. But after my first solo sail a week ago, the board would not come up. I still managed to get it on the trailer, barely and very tilted, and got it back to the storage yard at the south Denver reservoir where I sail her. Yesterday I had the yard workers lift her, we tapped out the stop pin, and discovered the board was jammed against it because the tang was worn just enough. Amazingly, it jammed hard enough to support the weight of the boat! A little welding built up the tang sufficiently to stop against the pin again. The pendant was still attached with a somewhat fat but tight bowline. But after the boat was back on the trailer, I discovered the knot was so big that it had broken through some damaged fiberglass at the top of the centerboard case. I had noticed a bulge and thought it to be water damage somehow. Now I will get to repair that area, after I connect the pendant to the board in a better way. Why isn't it spliced on, I wonder? Winter work on the board system coming up. My appreciations to all who have shared about their board work, and left photos on the msog.org site. Just knowing how everything is situated helped me make this problem manageable. As to the solo sail, I need to arrange a jib downhaul for soloing. While she is a very forgiving boat, there are times when going forward to drop the jib seems foolhardy. And how is it that the M17 seem so nimble and so beefy at the same time?
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One other thing to consider for CB connection is the size of the shackle. My "LITTLE BREEZE" had a stuck board a couple of years back, caused because the shackle was to wide and got turned and wedged. It was a real pain getting it unstuck. I replaced the shackle with one that was less wide and for that matter shorter too as a long shackle can get wedged between the top of the CB and the trunk. Regards..Arnold Sharpe..M-17 #265 'LITTLE BREEZE" On Aug 26, 2008, at 6:33 PM, Bill Lamica wrote:
Hi David, I remembered seeing a suggestion made by Jerry Montgomery. The paragraph below is taken from the page link:
http://www.msogphotosite.com/M17CICBord.html
"A tip from Jerry Montgomery: The line used to raise and lower the CB is 5/16... The trick is to cut away about 4" of the internal core and use that part to tie off at the CenterBoard, making the knot small enough to fit properly in the CB Trunk".
Bill
On 8/26/08, David C. Patterson <davidcpatterson@msn.com> wrote:
Here is another possible centerboard problem: getting it stuck in the down position, but not due to swelling of board or case. My M17 (Cloud Girl, #393) was reported when I bought it this March to have had the centerboard refinished, and indeed has a new 3/8" yachtbraid pendant. But after my first solo sail a week ago, the board would not come up. I still managed to get it on the trailer, barely and very tilted, and got it back to the storage yard at the south Denver reservoir where I sail her. Yesterday I had the yard workers lift her, we tapped out the stop pin, and discovered the board was jammed against it because the tang was worn just enough. Amazingly, it jammed hard enough to support the weight of the boat! A little welding built up the tang sufficiently to stop against the pin again. The pendant was still attached with a somewhat fat but tight bowline. But after the boat was back on the trailer, I discovered the knot was so big that it had broken through some damaged fiberglass at the top of the centerboard case. I had noticed a bulge and thought it to be water damage somehow. Now I will get to repair that area, after I connect the pendant to the board in a better way. Why isn't it spliced on, I wonder? Winter work on the board system coming up. My appreciations to all who have shared about their board work, and left photos on the msog.org site. Just knowing how everything is situated helped me make this problem manageable. As to the solo sail, I need to arrange a jib downhaul for soloing. While she is a very forgiving boat, there are times when going forward to drop the jib seems foolhardy. And how is it that the M17 seem so nimble and so beefy at the same time?
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