Thank you Jerry for your help.   I'm grateful for any info or parts I might buy to get the old girl back on the water again asap. I'm attaching a couple pictures of the bottom of the boat as I received it along with the bottom of the mast. The mast extrusion is 2.00 x 2.50 and it doesn't look like that matches up with a dwyer mast. I'm assuming this is not correct, but the way the standing rigging was sized there is no room to adjust to raise it more thana fraction of an inch.    But since it's 1/8 rather than 3/32, I probably will redo the rigging anyway... I don't know much about history........(wait.. isn't that a song?) On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 10:04:28 AM PDT, jerry montgomery <jmbn1@outlook.com> wrote: Yes, it was meant to go fast; we designed it to be a yacht club boat for evening series and weekend regattas.  Very quick for a 12' boat, especially in light and moderate air. The mast step is a casting that is screwed to the bottom of the boat and simply fits inside the mast.  I might have some in one of my junk hardware boxes and i'll try to remember to take a look if your boat doesn't have one. Rigging was 3/32" ________________________________ From: Lawrence Winiarski via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2023 6:37 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Cc: Lawrence Winiarski <lawrence_winiarski@yahoo.com> Subject: M_Boats: Fitting for bottom of mast for Montgomery 12 and lots of questions. I'm going to be getting a Montgomery 12 back on the water again and I've got lots and lots of questions. It's mostly there, but there look like some problems.    It seems there is a lot of sail for a light boat, so I'm guessing it was meant to go fast. How is the mast for the Montgomery 12 supposed to fit on the bottom of the boat?  was it originally supposed to have a tabernacle like the M15? Are the sidestays and forestay supposed to be 1/8 "?  Seems the hanks for the jib would prefer 3/32" Any pictures or descriptions would be great.

Thanks a bunch Jerry.   It looks like a pretty fast boat alright..   I'm washing the sails in the bathtub tonight.   They look old anddirty, but reasonable shape.    The tiller looks good and it's got a nice extension. Thanks for the info about the front strap eye.  I'll try and make some foot straps in the next few days.    Looks like the footstraps go to another fitting down low in the transom for the other end of the foot straps. There are a couple #10 thru bolts in the center of the transom, attached to nothing.   Not sure what these were for. I'm attaching a few more pictures.   The masthead sheaves ..at least one is broke and need replacing, as do the halyards.   I'm honestly not sure whythe masthead has that funny eye with the sheave and the wire halyard has a crimp on it so as to to "lock" it in place..when the sail isall the way up.   Seems like a lock.....20 feet above the waterline....is a little iffy...and when the sail is completely up..and it locks...luckilyI had this happen in the driveway...with zero wind. I guess I'll be replacing the halyards as the wire has some nasty prickly snags that have already drawn blood...and I haven't even come nearany water yet.  The front stay has a fitting at the top that's rusty.   I'm thinking maybe changing that somehow to something a little more sleek and less likely to snag.  I'm not sure if it punched through...it looks like somebody carved it out to fit the wrong mast step for some reason.    Maybe they were in a rushto sail it  ....I know I am.  I'll definitely try and be fixing that with my questionable fiberglass skills...I'm afraid I'm not much of an artist, but I also don't think I can make it much worse either!    I'll scarf back the hole some for bonding and add a bunch of glass/epoxy and fill it in.   I did get it wet while cleaning.   (it was a lot dirtier) so I'll give it a couple hot days to get dry before starting which will give me time to scarf it back.   Looks like the front air chamber has some water in thebottom.    I think it's got a crack in it, I'm guessing because the bottom of the mast crashed into it...perhaps while raising/lowering. The mast  t doesn't appear to be a current dwyer cross section.   It's 2.00 x 2.50.    The bare extrusion (w/o mast-step and masthead) is  233-1/2" long (19' 5-1/2")   The current masthead with the bad sheaves make it 2-1/4" taller. I guess I should remove the mast step with the tenon as that's the wrong one.     Let me know if you find what you think is the right one.   My understandingis that you might be coming up to Eugene..perhaps we can meet up? I see  that dwyer sells a nice little tabernacle...just like the M15, but I think a tad smaller.      It's within budget and since I'll undoubtedly besailing this single handed, it might be nice for raising so the bottom of the mast is more locked in while raising it.  ...again since I have to redo the standing rigging anyway.... What do you think?   Good idea/Bad Idea on the tabernacle?     the 2 part mast...top part which is a little bent,but I'm pretty sure I can get it straighter. On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 04:48:50 PM PDT, jerry montgomery <jmbn1@outlook.com> wrote: Pretty weird.  The mast section looks close, but the mast step is not original, and it looks like it's punched right thru the mahogany keelson.  I'll try to find the proper mast step casting and you'll see if it fits the mast.  At any rate you'll be able to see how it was done originally.  You'll need to clean up and fill the hole in the keelson; and then put a layer of glass over the hole.  I'd definitely use epoxy.  Be sure that the hole is bone dry. The 4-hole strap eye in front of the mast step is for anchoring the front end of the hiking straps and you'll need them.  make them out of nylon strap, and put a grommet near the center so that you can use bungie cord to pull the center of the straps out so you can get your feet under them quickly. You'll need a hiking stick on the tiller.  When you make the new standing rigging be sure that there is room to rake the mast.  The 12 is very sensitive to tuning.  Doesn't plane well but will beat pretty much anything it's size upwind. We had a good fleet of twelves in Newport Bay and my oldest daughter and I kicked butt!  Good memories. From: Lawrence Winiarski via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2023 4:01 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Cc: Lawrence Winiarski <lawrence_winiarski@yahoo.com> Subject: M_Boats: Re: Fitting for bottom of mast for Montgomery 12 and lots of questions. Thank you Jerry for your help.   I'm grateful for any info or parts I might buy to get the old girl back on the water again asap. I'm attaching a couple pictures of the bottom of the boat as I received it along with the bottom of the mast. The mast extrusion is 2.00 x 2.50 and it doesn't look like that matches up with a dwyer mast. I'm assuming this is not correct, but the way the standing rigging was sized there is no room to adjust to raise it more thana fraction of an inch.    But since it's 1/8 rather than 3/32, I probably will redo the rigging anyway... I don't know much about history........(wait.. isn't that a song?)     On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 10:04:28 AM PDT, jerry montgomery <jmbn1@outlook.com> wrote:     Yes, it was meant to go fast; we designed it to be a yacht club boat for evening series and weekend regattas.  Very quick for a 12' boat, especially in light and moderate air. The mast step is a casting that is screwed to the bottom of the boat and simply fits inside the mast.  I might have some in one of my junk hardware boxes and i'll try to remember to take a look if your boat doesn't have one. Rigging was 3/32" ________________________________ From: Lawrence Winiarski via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2023 6:37 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Cc: Lawrence Winiarski <lawrence_winiarski@yahoo.com> Subject: M_Boats: Fitting for bottom of mast for Montgomery 12 and lots of questions. I'm going to be getting a Montgomery 12 back on the water again and I've got lots and lots of questions. It's mostly there, but there look like some problems.    It seems there is a lot of sail for a light boat, so I'm guessing it was meant to go fast. How is the mast for the Montgomery 12 supposed to fit on the bottom of the boat?  was it originally supposed to have a tabernacle like the M15? Are the sidestays and forestay supposed to be 1/8 "?  Seems the hanks for the jib would prefer 3/32" Any pictures or descriptions would be great.  

Thank you so much Jerry.   I'll email you my address. Interesting about the mast being different.      Thank you for all the advice and help.   Sails washed, hole is scarfed, part order lists being made.  It's moving along. Thank you again. Larry On Friday, July 14, 2023, 12:02:39 PM PDT, jerry montgomery <jmbn1@outlook.com> wrote: OK.  First of all, the mast in your photos doesn't appear to be original equipment. Just returned from the shop, found an original 12 mast step and masthead, and an M-17 boom end fitting.  Between them I think you should make something fit.  It'll be obvious how the mast step works.  I don't think much of using a tabernacle; it's not needed as you can just hook up the shrouds, pick up the mast and stick it on the step, then attach the forestay, while the boat is on the trailer.  You don't need a tabernacle and it wouldn't help because the mast would hit the bow tank forward, and the centerboard trunk if swiveled aft.  I'd use magic line for the jib halyard but stick with 3/32 7X19 wire for the main halyard so that you can use a halyard lock. The masthead, if used, is without sheaves and pins.  It's drilled for 1/4" pins and the sheaves should be 3/8 thick and about an inch in diameter. If I can find one, I'll throw in an M-12 sailplan.  Incidentally, I used the old Sparcraft 102 section, 19'6" long.  Good luck in finding one!  I had my own extrusion die and bought them directly from the foundry a thousand pounds at a time.  It was the perfect mast for the 12. Need your address. From: Lawrence Winiarski <lawrence_winiarski@yahoo.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2023 6:30 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>; jerry montgomery <jmbn1@outlook.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Re: Fitting for bottom of mast for Montgomery 12 and lots of questions. Thanks a bunch Jerry.   It looks like a pretty fast boat alright..   I'm washing the sails in the bathtub tonight.   They look old anddirty, but reasonable shape.    The tiller looks good and it's got a nice extension. Thanks for the info about the front strap eye.  I'll try and make some foot straps in the next few days.    Looks like the footstraps go to another fitting down low in the transom for the other end of the foot straps. There are a couple #10 thru bolts in the center of the transom, attached to nothing.   Not sure what these were for. I'm attaching a few more pictures.   The masthead sheaves ..at least one is broke and need replacing, as do the halyards.   I'm honestly not sure whythe masthead has that funny eye with the sheave and the wire halyard has a crimp on it so as to to "lock" it in place..when the sail isall the way up.   Seems like a lock.....20 feet above the waterline....is a little iffy...and when the sail is completely up..and it locks...luckilyI had this happen in the driveway...with zero wind. I guess I'll be replacing the halyards as the wire has some nasty prickly snags that have already drawn blood...and I haven't even come nearany water yet.  The front stay has a fitting at the top that's rusty.   I'm thinking maybe changing that somehow to something a little more sleek and less likely to snag.  I'm not sure if it punched through...it looks like somebody carved it out to fit the wrong mast step for some reason.    Maybe they were in a rushto sail it  ....I know I am.  I'll definitely try and be fixing that with my questionable fiberglass skills...I'm afraid I'm not much of an artist, but I also don't think I can make it much worse either!    I'll scarf back the hole some for bonding and add a bunch of glass/epoxy and fill it in.   I did get it wet while cleaning.   (it was a lot dirtier) so I'll give it a couple hot days to get dry before starting which will give me time to scarf it back.   Looks like the front air chamber has some water in thebottom.    I think it's got a crack in it, I'm guessing because the bottom of the mast crashed into it...perhaps while raising/lowering. The mast  t doesn't appear to be a current dwyer cross section.   It's 2.00 x 2.50.    The bare extrusion (w/o mast-step and masthead) is  233-1/2" long (19' 5-1/2")   The current masthead with the bad sheaves make it 2-1/4" taller. I guess I should remove the mast step with the tenon as that's the wrong one.     Let me know if you find what you think is the right one.   My understandingis that you might be coming up to Eugene..perhaps we can meet up? I see  that dwyer sells a nice little tabernacle...just like the M15, but I think a tad smaller.      It's within budget and since I'll undoubtedly besailing this single handed, it might be nice for raising so the bottom of the mast is more locked in while raising it.  ...again since I have to redo the standing rigging anyway.... What do you think?   Good idea/Bad Idea on the tabernacle?     the 2 part mast...top part which is a little bent,but I'm pretty sure I can get it straighter. On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 04:48:50 PM PDT, jerry montgomery <jmbn1@outlook.com> wrote: Pretty weird.  The mast section looks close, but the mast step is not original, and it looks like it's punched right thru the mahogany keelson.  I'll try to find the proper mast step casting and you'll see if it fits the mast.  At any rate you'll be able to see how it was done originally.  You'll need to clean up and fill the hole in the keelson; and then put a layer of glass over the hole.  I'd definitely use epoxy.  Be sure that the hole is bone dry. The 4-hole strap eye in front of the mast step is for anchoring the front end of the hiking straps and you'll need them.  make them out of nylon strap, and put a grommet near the center so that you can use bungie cord to pull the center of the straps out so you can get your feet under them quickly. You'll need a hiking stick on the tiller.  When you make the new standing rigging be sure that there is room to rake the mast.  The 12 is very sensitive to tuning.  Doesn't plane well but will beat pretty much anything it's size upwind. We had a good fleet of twelves in Newport Bay and my oldest daughter and I kicked butt!  Good memories. From: Lawrence Winiarski via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2023 4:01 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Cc: Lawrence Winiarski <lawrence_winiarski@yahoo.com> Subject: M_Boats: Re: Fitting for bottom of mast for Montgomery 12 and lots of questions. Thank you Jerry for your help.   I'm grateful for any info or parts I might buy to get the old girl back on the water again asap. I'm attaching a couple pictures of the bottom of the boat as I received it along with the bottom of the mast. The mast extrusion is 2.00 x 2.50 and it doesn't look like that matches up with a dwyer mast. I'm assuming this is not correct, but the way the standing rigging was sized there is no room to adjust to raise it more thana fraction of an inch.    But since it's 1/8 rather than 3/32, I probably will redo the rigging anyway... I don't know much about history........(wait.. isn't that a song?)     On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 10:04:28 AM PDT, jerry montgomery <jmbn1@outlook.com> wrote:     Yes, it was meant to go fast; we designed it to be a yacht club boat for evening series and weekend regattas.  Very quick for a 12' boat, especially in light and moderate air. The mast step is a casting that is screwed to the bottom of the boat and simply fits inside the mast.  I might have some in one of my junk hardware boxes and i'll try to remember to take a look if your boat doesn't have one. Rigging was 3/32" ________________________________ From: Lawrence Winiarski via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2023 6:37 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Cc: Lawrence Winiarski <lawrence_winiarski@yahoo.com> Subject: M_Boats: Fitting for bottom of mast for Montgomery 12 and lots of questions. I'm going to be getting a Montgomery 12 back on the water again and I've got lots and lots of questions. It's mostly there, but there look like some problems.    It seems there is a lot of sail for a light boat, so I'm guessing it was meant to go fast. How is the mast for the Montgomery 12 supposed to fit on the bottom of the boat?  was it originally supposed to have a tabernacle like the M15? Are the sidestays and forestay supposed to be 1/8 "?  Seems the hanks for the jib would prefer 3/32" Any pictures or descriptions would be great.