Sorry.  This is a link to The Montgomery Group on the web.  You use this
link on your computer to get to a link where you can join.  I highly
recommend it as it's an interesting bunch and can answer any question you
may have about Montgomery boats.  Most people have 15's and 17's.  The page
I sent you had a discussion of what car/truck people are using to tow their
M 15 with.

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>    1. Re: pickup for towing (Daniel Rich)
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>    3. Re: pickup for towing (GILASAILR@aol.com)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 08 May 2013 10:22:14 -0700
> From: Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com>
> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com
> Subject: Re: M_Boats: pickup for towing
> Message-ID: <518A89C6.3060706@gmail.com>
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> This is good information. My Honda Accord has 240 HP and has no trouble
> towing. But, the problem as I see it is the braking. It is not designed
> for this, and I am concerned with regards to safety. So, it looks like a
> V6 Ford Ranger would do well. Lots of them on the used market at
> reasonable prices.
>
> Daniel
> On 5/8/2013 9:40 AM, W David Scobie wrote:
> >> ... a base model Ranger or Tacoma with the small engine?
> >> Aren't they still rated higher for towing?
> > the 'base' ranger with the small 4-cylinder engine looks like a truck
> ... but it is really underpowered.
> >
> > i don't know specifics for the much older trucks.  my 2005 ranger owners
> manual says that the 2.3L 4-cyclinder ranger 2-wheel drive, standard cab
> with a 6' bed can handle a trailer 1600 lbs.  now the BUT the GCWR is 4800.
>  7' bed trailer weight 1520 lbs, GCWR 4800.  extended 'super' cab with 6'
> bed 1420 lbs and GCWR 4800.
> >
> > go to an automatic and gain an extra 600 lbs of towing capacity and 700
> lbs GCWR.
> >
> > the 'dry' curb weight for the standard ranger is 3050 lbs (no
> passengers, no gas, no cooler of beer).  my bet, as the listed weight is
> 'stripped' truck, is the real curb weight is around 3500 lbs and then add
> your weight + your stuff.
> >
> > after showing the numbers i'll say way i said 'no' to the 'little
> engined' ranger -
> >
> > the 2.3L is REALLY REALLY underpowered.  when i worked for Univ. of
> Minnesota in the mid-90s the department truck was a late 80s standard
> ranger with the little engine.  OK for driving around town ... but it had
> difficulty keeping highway speed when going into a headwind or climbing the
> small Minnesota hills.  yes a newer ranger will have more horsepower ...
> but not that much more.
> >
> > i owned a 3.0L ranger for 11 years.  the 3.0L also also had difficulty
> going into a Minnesota headwind and wasn't the best climber (it was a slow
> drive up the Cascades, Olympics and Rockies when i moved to Washington and
> spent many a weekend and week camping and driving in these mountains).  i
> towed some utility trailers with this truck and it was a slug when you
> attempted to get up to highway speeds and even slower when climbing hills.
> >
> > based on the above you will be at the max weight for a 2.3L ranger.  i
> don't recommend towing at the max weight for a vehicle.  hard on the
> vehicle's parts and hard on you as the vehicle is at the max and you will
> be working harder to control the load (braking, climbing hills, going down
> hills, turns, etc).
> >
> > ultimately the choice is yours ... just my 2-cents and comments from the
> peanut gallery :-)
> >
> > have no idea on the 'toyo' small truck.  last time i drove one was back
> in the the 80s (a friend's, not my truck).
> >
> > good hunting Daniel.
> >
> >
> > :: Dave Scobie
> >
> >
> > --- On Wed, 5/8/13, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I have been able to tow my M15 with
> >> my Honda Accord. But, the Accord is
> >> only rated to 1000 pounds. It tows the boat with ease, but
> >> as I say, my
> >> boat and trailer weigh 1600 pounds. So, it seems to me
> >> getting something
> >> rated higher would make some sense, especially since with
> >> the Leaf I
> >> don't need another sedan. So a small truck seems like a good
> >> idea. What
> >> about a base model Ranger or Tacoma with the small engine?
> >> Aren't they
> >> still rated higher for towing?
> >>
> >> Daniel
> >
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 08 May 2013 10:24:03 -0700
> From: Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com>
> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com
> Subject: Re: M_Boats: pickup for towing
> Message-ID: <518A8A33.4030005@gmail.com>
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>
> Nice, thanks!
>
> Daniel
> On 5/8/2013 10:04 AM, W David Scobie wrote:
> > Steve:
> >
> > i do like my 4L V6.  lots of HP and in the last two years towed boats
> about 45,000 from coast to coast.  all of this is with a small camper on
> the truck.
> >
> > i've attached a picture showing my setup.  i no longer own the M15
> pictured (photo from June '08).  for 'current' status just imagine a M17 or
> Sage 17 behind the truck.
> >
> >
> > :: Dave Scobie
> >
> > --- On Wed, 5/8/13, stevetrapp <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Dave,
> >>      Get the V-6, not the smaller 4 cylinder.
> >> The folks who compiled the specs or wrote the advertising
> >> brochures have probably never tried to tow a boat over a
> >> hill or on a highway.
> >> Steve
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "W David Scobie" <wdscobie@yahoo.com>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 9:40 AM
> >>
> >>
> >>>> ... a base model Ranger or Tacoma with the small
> >> engine?
> >>>> Aren't they still rated higher for towing?
> >>> the 'base' ranger with the small 4-cylinder engine
> >> looks like a truck ... but it is really underpowered.
> >>> i don't know specifics for the much older trucks.
> >> my 2005 ranger owners manual says that the 2.3L 4-cyclinder
> >> ranger 2-wheel drive, standard cab with a 6' bed can handle
> >> a trailer 1600 lbs.  now the BUT the GCWR is
> >> 4800.  7' bed trailer weight 1520 lbs, GCWR 4800.
> >> extended 'super' cab with 6' bed 1420 lbs and GCWR 4800.
> >>> go to an automatic and gain an extra 600 lbs of towing
> >> capacity and 700 lbs GCWR.
> >>> the 'dry' curb weight for the standard ranger is 3050
> >> lbs (no passengers, no gas, no cooler of beer).  my
> >> bet, as the listed weight is 'stripped' truck, is the real
> >> curb weight is around 3500 lbs and then add your weight +
> >> your stuff.
> >>> after showing the numbers i'll say way i said 'no' to
> >> the 'little engined' ranger -
> >>> the 2.3L is REALLY REALLY underpowered.  when i
> >> worked for Univ. of Minnesota in the mid-90s the department
> >> truck was a late 80s standard ranger with the little
> >> engine.  OK for driving around town ... but it had
> >> difficulty keeping highway speed when going into a headwind
> >> or climbing the small Minnesota hills.  yes a newer
> >> ranger will have more horsepower ... but not that much
> >> more.
> >>> i owned a 3.0L ranger for 11 years.  the 3.0L also
> >> also had difficulty going into a Minnesota headwind and
> >> wasn't the best climber (it was a slow drive up the
> >> Cascades, Olympics and Rockies when i moved to Washington
> >> and spent many a weekend and week camping and driving in
> >> these mountains).  i towed some utility trailers with
> >> this truck and it was a slug when you attempted to get up to
> >> highway speeds and even slower when climbing hills.
> >>> based on the above you will be at the max weight for a
> >> 2.3L ranger.  i don't recommend towing at the max
> >> weight for a vehicle.  hard on the vehicle's parts and
> >> hard on you as the vehicle is at the max and you will be
> >> working harder to control the load (braking, climbing hills,
> >> going down hills, turns, etc).
> >>> ultimately the choice is yours ... just my 2-cents and
> >> comments from the peanut gallery :-)
> >>> have no idea on the 'toyo' small truck.  last time
> >> i drove one was back in the the 80s (a friend's, not my
> >> truck).
> >>> good hunting Daniel.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> :: Dave Scobie
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 8 May 2013 14:45:21 -0400 (EDT)
> From: GILASAILR@aol.com
> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com
> Subject: Re: M_Boats: pickup for towing
> Message-ID: <e442f.35cc846d.3ebbf741@aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>
> Have towed M-17 with 3.4 V6 Toyota 4Runner 5speed (towed MUCH heavier
> loads) and currently tow M-17 with 3.4 Tacoma dbl cab - auto -  works
> great.
>
> Don't dis the 4 bangers.-  ( the Toyota 4 (22R)  was used in a 1  ton
> chassis (dually) and was available as a chassis mounted 22  foot motorhome
> - over
> 28 manufacturers!!) see photo for example.- 4  bangers can be quite capable
> if properly equipped. Braking is always the  determining factor - My
> opinion - but golly - I used to drive a 62 VW bus  either towing a C-15 or
> with my
> M-10 on a roof rack -just in case -  'slow' doesn't bother me. 40hp in 1
> ton truck.
>
> Plenty of Rangers available - good trucks  (hold their value well  too) and
> they are now collectible as Ford does not offer them in US anymore!
>
> Your mileage may very vary- remember ALWAYS wear eye protection............
>  and write home - they are wondering what's happening.
>
> GO
>
>
> In a message dated 5/8/2013 9:31:36 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
> stevetrapp@q.com writes:
>
> Rich,
> I recommend a lighter truck, such as a Ford  Ranger or Toyota of the
> comparable model with a V-6 for towing the M-15.   I have attempted to tow
> my M-15
> with lighter vehicles with 4 cylinders, and  also found that although
> dealers are more than happy to sell towing packages,  the lighter
> vechicles with
> smaller engines just don't have enough muscle to  feel comfortable on
> highways or hills.  My towing involves hills and  Interstates, and my
> Ranger with
> the V-6 does fine.  I think a bigger  truck would be more than I need.
> Steve
> M-15 # 335
>
> ----- Original  Message -----
> From: "Daniel Rich" <danielgrich@gmail.com>
> To:  <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013  8:44 AM
> Subject: Re: M_Boats: pickup for towing
>
>
> >I have been  able to tow my M15 with my Honda Accord. But, the Accord is
> > only  rated to 1000 pounds. It tows the boat with ease, but as I say, my
> >  boat and trailer weigh 1600 pounds. So, it seems to me getting something
>
> > rated higher would make some sense, especially since with the Leaf I
> > don't need another sedan. So a small truck seems like a good idea.  What
> > about a base model Ranger or Tacoma with the small engine?  Aren't they
> > still rated higher for towing?
> >
> >  Daniel
> > On 5/7/2013 7:42 PM, George Iemmolo wrote:
> >>  Daniel
> >>
> >> I towed my just purchased M15 from Pittsburg,  PA to Valparaiso, IN last
> >> month with my 2006 Volvo S60 no  problem
> >>
> >> George
> >> Merry Helen II
> >>  #602
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From:  montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com
> >>  [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of
> Conbert
> >> Benneck
> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 5:30  PM
> >> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
> >> Subject: Re:  M_Boats: pickup for towing
> >>
> >> On 07-May-13 4:28 PM,  Daniel Rich wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Daniel,
> >>
> >>  I towed my M15 from Florida, where I bought it, to Connecticut, and
> then
> >> all over the place - Lake Champlain, Moosehead Lake, ME,  the
> >> Chesapeake,, Florida, using originally a VW-GTI and later a  VW-Jetta
> >> wagon with a VR6 engine and automatic  transmission.
> >>
> >> I never had a problem; towing; launching  or retrieving the M15.
> >>
> >> Connie
> >>
> >>  M15  #400 LEPPO
> >>>  Montypals:
> >>>
> >>> Gonna pick up a Nissan Leaf EV in a  few weeks. As such, I am going to
> >>> likely sell my Honda Accord.  So, I'm thinking it might be nice to have
> >>> a small pickup truck  to tow my M15. Weight of boat and trailer is 1600
> >>> pounds. I  know because I weighed it twice since I couldn't believe it
> >>>  the first time!
> >>>
> >>> So, what would be a good used  pickup that would have the capacity to
> >>> tow this package? Would  a used base Tacoma do it? Any thoughts here?
> >>>
> >>>  Daniel
> >>> M15  Kestrel
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
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