We aborted today's maiden voyage due to excessive heat in the mid Atlantic, predicted highs are around 95F so no go for this guy. We instead rigged M 15 #616 in the school parking lot to see the sail plan and the rigging set up. NICE and Stan Froseth did a great job on everything, if your reading this not from the Aloha State Thanks Stan. I do have one question on the rudder, well actually two. The first is the mechanism on dry land seems to not want to pull the rudder up in the horizontal position, I assume it's because I have no buoyancy from the water below on the wood blade? Second do you sailors use a tiller extension to move your body weight up forward? Man the rigging and set up on the M15 is a breeze. Oh I forget to ask when do you attach the forestay to the deck fitting, mine is on the second hold back and that means that I need to attach the jib to the first hole forward? This seems odd so maybe a fitting that will slip into the last hole will be best. Thanks for your feedback. Smiley magoo252@comcast.net
On 30-May-11 12:49 PM, Karen and Smiley wrote: Hi Karen & Smiley, Rudder: I found that you have to jerk the tiller upwards to get the rudder to the horizontal position. Buoyancy in the water probably also makes it easier to do afloat than on dry land. Since I sailed a lot by myself, I found that my original tiller was too short to sit forward in the cock[pit. Initially I tried a tiller extension, but the geometry of its operation was wrong. The tiller extension was at about a 120 degree angle to the tiller and my seating position, which didn't give me a good input to the tiller. My solution was to build a new , longer tiller. This allowed me to sit as far forward in the cockpit as I wanted. The tiller extension then was at a 90 degree angle from tiller to my hand. It was a great improvement. Connie ex M15 #400 LEPPO
We aborted today's maiden voyage due to excessive heat in the mid Atlantic, predicted highs are around 95F so no go for this guy. We instead rigged M 15 #616 in the school parking lot to see the sail plan and the rigging set up. NICE and Stan Froseth did a great job on everything, if your reading this not from the Aloha State Thanks Stan.
I do have one question on the rudder, well actually two. The first is the mechanism on dry land seems to not want to pull the rudder up in the horizontal position, I assume it's because I have no buoyancy from the water below on the wood blade? Second do you sailors use a tiller extension to move your body weight up forward? Man the rigging and set up on the M15 is a breeze.
Oh I forget to ask when do you attach the forestay to the deck fitting, mine is on the second hold back and that means that I need to attach the jib to the first hole forward? This seems odd so maybe a fitting that will slip into the last hole will be best. Thanks for your feedback.
Smiley
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95 and humid already!! Uggly rudder questions: 1 - the rudder should stay elevated even when out of the water. Tighten up the bungee cord and it should be fine. 2. - I use a tiller extension almost all of the time. I use a forespar telescoping version with the pin in the tiller. The new designs with the black flexible joints seem to work fine as I used one on my race boat. The telescoping mechanism can be a problem after a while. As to the forestay I cannot remember for sure. My M15 is an older Jerry Montgomery boat and the forestay fitting has 4 holes. The one farthest forward is very large and is used for the trailer boat hook attachment as these boats did not have a bow eye through the stem. I use the hole just aft of the large one for the forestay and the one aft of that for the jib shackle. Thanks Doug Kelch ________________________________ From: Karen and Smiley <magoo252@comcast.net> To: Montgomery Sailboat Forum <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Mon, May 30, 2011 9:49:10 AM Subject: M_Boats: Rudder question M 15 We aborted today's maiden voyage due to excessive heat in the mid Atlantic, predicted highs are around 95F so no go for this guy. We instead rigged M 15 #616 in the school parking lot to see the sail plan and the rigging set up. NICE and Stan Froseth did a great job on everything, if your reading this not from the Aloha State Thanks Stan. I do have one question on the rudder, well actually two. The first is the mechanism on dry land seems to not want to pull the rudder up in the horizontal position, I assume it's because I have no buoyancy from the water below on the wood blade? Second do you sailors use a tiller extension to move your body weight up forward? Man the rigging and set up on the M15 is a breeze. Oh I forget to ask when do you attach the forestay to the deck fitting, mine is on the second hold back and that means that I need to attach the jib to the first hole forward? This seems odd so maybe a fitting that will slip into the last hole will be best. Thanks for your feedback. Smiley magoo252@comcast.net _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet!
Smiley, Too bad about scraping the maiden voyage. I ended up floating the M-10 out of Mariners Point. It was a nice day with a steady breeze. Unfortunately, as you stated, it did get to 95 degrees. So when the wind was at your back, it did get a little toasty. To answer your questions, your right about the buoyancy on the rudder. Also, your assumptions is correct about the tiller extensions. It's best to get an extension so that you can position yourself next to the cabin. I also use the middle hole for the forestay and attach my jib to the rear hole. I have rigged my jib down haul to the forward hole. Skip M-15 1982 #201 'Wild Guppy' M-10 197x #177 'Lil Guppy' -----Original Message----- From: Karen and Smiley <magoo252@comcast.net> To: Montgomery Sailboat Forum <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Mon, May 30, 2011 12:49 pm Subject: M_Boats: Rudder question M 15 We aborted today's maiden voyage due to excessive heat in the mid Atlantic, redicted highs are around 95F so no go for this guy. We instead rigged M 15 616 in the school parking lot to see the sail plan and the rigging set up. ICE and Stan Froseth did a great job on everything, if your reading this ot from the Aloha State Thanks Stan. I do have one question on the rudder, well actually two. The first is the echanism on dry land seems to not want to pull the rudder up in the orizontal position, I assume it's because I have no buoyancy from the water elow on the wood blade? Second do you sailors use a tiller extension to ove your body weight up forward? Man the rigging and set up on the M15 is a reeze. Oh I forget to ask when do you attach the forestay to the deck fitting, mine s on the second hold back and that means that I need to attach the jib to he first hole forward? This seems odd so maybe a fitting that will slip nto the last hole will be best. Thanks for your feedback. Smiley magoo252@comcast.net _______________________________________________ ttp://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet!
The first is the mechanism on dry land seems to not want to pull the rudder up in the horizontal position,
there is a bit of practice needed to how fast and with the correct force to lift/drop the rudder using an up-and-down motion on the tiller. it took me 1/3 day to learn the exact method.
do you sailors use a tiller extension to move your body weight up forward?
YES. if you single hand sit within one foot of the cabin bulkhead. with two in the cockpit have the crew sit at the bulkhead and captain right next to the crew. keep weight away from the M15's stern. if you can get your crew to agree have him/her sit in the companionway while you set within 1' of the cabin bulkhead. IMO the M15 sails best if the bow is 'just a bit' down from the stern.
Oh I forget to ask when do you attach the forestay to the deck fitting, mine is on the second hold back and that means that I need to attach the jib to the first hole forward?
for boats built by jerry the far forward 'hole' is large. this is for hooking to the trailer. the forestay needs to be attached to the next hole aft ('second' hole). for new-builds the bow plate is different with three holes of the same size. use the forward hole ('first' hole) to increase your effective J measurement. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 - SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: Sage Marine - you can now reserve your Sage 17! :: www.sagemarine.com --- On Mon, 5/30/11, Karen and Smiley <magoo252@comcast.net> wrote:
We aborted today's maiden voyage due to excessive heat in the mid Atlantic, predicted highs are around 95F so no go for this guy. We instead rigged M 15 #616 in the school parking lot to see the sail plan and the rigging set up. NICE and Stan Froseth did a great job on everything, if your reading this not from the Aloha State Thanks Stan.
I do have one question on the rudder, well actually two. The first is the mechanism on dry land seems to not want to pull the rudder up in the horizontal position, I assume it's because I have no buoyancy from the water below on the wood blade? Second do you sailors use a tiller extension to move your body weight up forward? Man the rigging and set up on the M15 is a breeze.
Oh I forget to ask when do you attach the forestay to the deck fitting, mine is on the second hold back and that means that I need to attach the jib to the first hole forward? This seems odd so maybe a fitting that will slip into the last hole will be best. Thanks for your feedback.
Smiley
Smiley, I should have also mentioned, that after you have had the boat in the water and if the rudder still doesn't raise up easily, you may need to replace the shock cord. Skip -----Original Message----- From: Karen and Smiley <magoo252@comcast.net> To: Montgomery Sailboat Forum <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Mon, May 30, 2011 12:49 pm Subject: M_Boats: Rudder question M 15 We aborted today's maiden voyage due to excessive heat in the mid Atlantic, redicted highs are around 95F so no go for this guy. We instead rigged M 15 616 in the school parking lot to see the sail plan and the rigging set up. ICE and Stan Froseth did a great job on everything, if your reading this ot from the Aloha State Thanks Stan. I do have one question on the rudder, well actually two. The first is the echanism on dry land seems to not want to pull the rudder up in the orizontal position, I assume it's because I have no buoyancy from the water elow on the wood blade? Second do you sailors use a tiller extension to ove your body weight up forward? Man the rigging and set up on the M15 is a reeze. Oh I forget to ask when do you attach the forestay to the deck fitting, mine s on the second hold back and that means that I need to attach the jib to he first hole forward? This seems odd so maybe a fitting that will slip nto the last hole will be best. Thanks for your feedback. Smiley magoo252@comcast.net _______________________________________________ ttp://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet!
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