Bow pulpit. My boat did not come with a bow pulpit. Is there any resource for getting one made or used.
New member here from Bend, OR. just bought a Montgomery 15. Sent from BlueMail
Railmakers in California has the pattern to make a M15 pulpit. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com On Mon, Jun 18, 2018, 9:20 PM Doug <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
New member here from Bend, OR. just bought a Montgomery 15.
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Do you know how much that might cost me Thanks for the tip. Sent from BlueMail On Jun 18, 2018, 10:40 PM, at 10:40 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Railmakers in California has the pattern to make a M15 pulpit.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
On Mon, Jun 18, 2018, 9:20 PM Doug <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
New member here from Bend, OR. just bought a Montgomery 15.
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Couple hundred bucks plus shipping is my guess. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com On Mon, Jun 18, 2018, 9:42 PM Doug <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
Do you know how much that might cost me Thanks for the tip.
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On Jun 18, 2018, 10:40 PM, at 10:40 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Railmakers in California has the pattern to make a M15 pulpit.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
On Mon, Jun 18, 2018, 9:20 PM Doug <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
New member here from Bend, OR. just bought a Montgomery 15.
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Thanks Dave. Seems like a nice piece of foredeck gear to have. I can see not having one on such a small boat but it could make the tiny foredeck a little more safe and useful. A place to do the Titanic pose as well. Doug
On Jun 18, 2018, at 9:44 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Couple hundred bucks plus shipping is my guess.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
On Mon, Jun 18, 2018, 9:42 PM Doug <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
Do you know how much that might cost me Thanks for the tip.
Sent from BlueMail
On Jun 18, 2018, 10:40 PM, at 10:40 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Railmakers in California has the pattern to make a M15 pulpit.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
On Mon, Jun 18, 2018, 9:20 PM Doug <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
New member here from Bend, OR. just bought a Montgomery 15.
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If you have an M-15 without a bow pulpit, I recommend getting one, I have one on mine and think it makes the foredeck safer, has some utility function, and adds a touch of class to the appearance. I used to tow my M-15 to a great lake on the Hwy between Bend - Eugene, but I can not recall the name of the lake, and I believe is now like R2AK, no motors allowed. Steve M-15 # 335 -----Original Message----- From: doug Sent: Monday, June 18, 2018 9:51 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bow pulpit. My boat did not come with a bow pulpit. Is there any resource for getting one made or used. Thanks Dave. Seems like a nice piece of foredeck gear to have. I can see not having one on such a small boat but it could make the tiny foredeck a little more safe and useful. A place to do the Titanic pose as well. Doug
On Jun 18, 2018, at 9:44 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Couple hundred bucks plus shipping is my guess.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
On Mon, Jun 18, 2018, 9:42 PM Doug <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
Do you know how much that might cost me Thanks for the tip.
Sent from BlueMail
On Jun 18, 2018, 10:40 PM, at 10:40 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Railmakers in California has the pattern to make a M15 pulpit.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
On Mon, Jun 18, 2018, 9:20 PM Doug <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
New member here from Bend, OR. just bought a Montgomery 15.
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That would be Waldo lake, just north of Willamette pass off hwy 58 just west of the pass itself. Lovely lake, and yes, no effin' infernal combustion motors allowed. A quiet sailing & paddling & rowing oasis. Had my M17 there last year for three nights, plan to go again at some point this summer. Some of the larger lakes on the Cascade lakes loop just south of Bend would be great as well. One has a full-on marina, the rest have various access, in some cases hand-carry boats only, in some cases a simple ramp. cheers, John On 06/19/2018 10:12 AM, Steve Trapp wrote:
If you have an M-15 without a bow pulpit, I recommend getting one, I have one on mine and think it makes the foredeck safer, has some utility function, and adds a touch of class to the appearance. I used to tow my M-15 to a great lake on the Hwy between Bend - Eugene, but I can not recall the name of the lake, and I believe is now like R2AK, no motors allowed. Steve M-15 # 335
-----Original Message----- From: doug Sent: Monday, June 18, 2018 9:51 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bow pulpit. My boat did not come with a bow pulpit. Is there any resource for getting one made or used.
Thanks Dave. Seems like a nice piece of foredeck gear to have. I can see not having one on such a small boat but it could make the tiny foredeck a little more safe and useful. A place to do the Titanic pose as well.
Doug
On Jun 18, 2018, at 9:44 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Couple hundred bucks plus shipping is my guess.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
On Mon, Jun 18, 2018, 9:42 PM Doug <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
Do you know how much that might cost me Thanks for the tip.
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On Jun 18, 2018, 10:40 PM, at 10:40 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Railmakers in California has the pattern to make a M15 pulpit.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
On Mon, Jun 18, 2018, 9:20 PM Doug <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
New member here from Bend, OR. just bought a Montgomery 15.
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There is always Lake Billy Chinook, Prineville Res., Diamond Lake with full services, and a little further down the road is Lost Creek Lake which has a lot of boat in campgrounds and full service….a great lake to sail. Elk Lake, Cultus Lake, Crescent Lake and a few others are all good sailing lakes on the Cascades Lakes Highway. Lake of the Woods near Klammath is also good. Very exciting to have my M15 now and get on the water.
On Jun 19, 2018, at 10:22 AM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
That would be Waldo lake, just north of Willamette pass off hwy 58 just west of the pass itself. Lovely lake, and yes, no effin' infernal combustion motors allowed. A quiet sailing & paddling & rowing oasis. Had my M17 there last year for three nights, plan to go again at some point this summer.
Some of the larger lakes on the Cascade lakes loop just south of Bend would be great as well. One has a full-on marina, the rest have various access, in some cases hand-carry boats only, in some cases a simple ramp.
cheers, John
On 06/19/2018 10:12 AM, Steve Trapp wrote:
If you have an M-15 without a bow pulpit, I recommend getting one, I have one on mine and think it makes the foredeck safer, has some utility function, and adds a touch of class to the appearance. I used to tow my M-15 to a great lake on the Hwy between Bend - Eugene, but I can not recall the name of the lake, and I believe is now like R2AK, no motors allowed. Steve M-15 # 335 -----Original Message----- From: doug Sent: Monday, June 18, 2018 9:51 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bow pulpit. My boat did not come with a bow pulpit. Is there any resource for getting one made or used. Thanks Dave. Seems like a nice piece of foredeck gear to have. I can see not having one on such a small boat but it could make the tiny foredeck a little more safe and useful. A place to do the Titanic pose as well. Doug
On Jun 18, 2018, at 9:44 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Couple hundred bucks plus shipping is my guess.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
On Mon, Jun 18, 2018, 9:42 PM Doug <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
Do you know how much that might cost me Thanks for the tip.
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On Jun 18, 2018, 10:40 PM, at 10:40 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Railmakers in California has the pattern to make a M15 pulpit.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
On Mon, Jun 18, 2018, 9:20 PM Doug <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
New member here from Bend, OR. just bought a Montgomery 15.
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On 06/19/2018 10:28 AM, doug wrote:
There is always Lake Billy Chinook, Prineville Res.
Those could be interesting, a bit of a haul from here but not too bad. Looks like Prineville is down to 70% already. Billy Chinook looks to be full.
Diamond Lake with full services, and a little further down the road is Lost Creek Lake which has a lot of boat in campgrounds and full service
Actually there's no boat-in campgrounds on Lost Creek Lake (there is a marina though and a state park road access campground/RV park). There are a few places one might stealth-camp on shore, in the north arm. Also some possible anchorages there where the valley slope is less steep. Rest of the lake is mostly steep & deep shoreline. Lovely when full though, paddled there a couple times earlier this summer. Applegate lake has several boat-in campgrounds...about the same distance from here as Lost Creek but a lot farther from your location. Lake of the woods is mixed sailing in my experience - the north end gets fairly clean flow but the rest of the lake is a good challenge, meaning, swirly gusty due to surrounding topography. Pretty though (except on motorboat-crazy summer weekends). ….a great lake to sail. Elk Lake, Cultus Lake, Crescent Lake and a few others are all good sailing lakes on the Cascades Lakes Highway. Lake of the Woods near Klammath is also good. Very exciting to have my M15 now and get on the water. That's what it's really all about! cheers, John -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
Thanks Steve for the response here on my bow pulpit. I do plan to get one and I agree, from the photos of the M15 it does make the boat look at little more modern as well as serving a purpose, a place to hang the bow light!! Doug M-15 Bend, OR
On Jun 19, 2018, at 10:12 AM, Steve Trapp <stevetrapp@Q.com> wrote:
If you have an M-15 without a bow pulpit, I recommend getting one, I have one on mine and think it makes the foredeck safer, has some utility function, and adds a touch of class to the appearance. I used to tow my M-15 to a great lake on the Hwy between Bend - Eugene, but I can not recall the name of the lake, and I believe is now like R2AK, no motors allowed. Steve M-15 # 335
-----Original Message----- From: doug Sent: Monday, June 18, 2018 9:51 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bow pulpit. My boat did not come with a bow pulpit. Is there any resource for getting one made or used.
Thanks Dave. Seems like a nice piece of foredeck gear to have. I can see not having one on such a small boat but it could make the tiny foredeck a little more safe and useful. A place to do the Titanic pose as well.
Doug
On Jun 18, 2018, at 9:44 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Couple hundred bucks plus shipping is my guess.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
On Mon, Jun 18, 2018, 9:42 PM Doug <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
Do you know how much that might cost me Thanks for the tip.
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On Jun 18, 2018, 10:40 PM, at 10:40 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Railmakers in California has the pattern to make a M15 pulpit.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
On Mon, Jun 18, 2018, 9:20 PM Doug <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
New member here from Bend, OR. just bought a Montgomery 15.
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Doug Call Dave at Railmakers in Costa Mesa. CA. Say hi for me. Sent from my iPad
On Jun 19, 2018, at 10:24 AM, doug <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks Steve for the response here on my bow pulpit. I do plan to get one and I agree, from the photos of the M15 it does make the boat look at little more modern as well as serving a purpose, a place to hang the bow light!!
Doug M-15 Bend, OR
On Jun 19, 2018, at 10:12 AM, Steve Trapp <stevetrapp@Q.com> wrote:
If you have an M-15 without a bow pulpit, I recommend getting one, I have one on mine and think it makes the foredeck safer, has some utility function, and adds a touch of class to the appearance. I used to tow my M-15 to a great lake on the Hwy between Bend - Eugene, but I can not recall the name of the lake, and I believe is now like R2AK, no motors allowed. Steve M-15 # 335
-----Original Message----- From: doug Sent: Monday, June 18, 2018 9:51 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bow pulpit. My boat did not come with a bow pulpit. Is there any resource for getting one made or used.
Thanks Dave. Seems like a nice piece of foredeck gear to have. I can see not having one on such a small boat but it could make the tiny foredeck a little more safe and useful. A place to do the Titanic pose as well.
Doug
On Jun 18, 2018, at 9:44 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Couple hundred bucks plus shipping is my guess.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
On Mon, Jun 18, 2018, 9:42 PM Doug <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
Do you know how much that might cost me Thanks for the tip.
Sent from BlueMail
On Jun 18, 2018, 10:40 PM, at 10:40 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Railmakers in California has the pattern to make a M15 pulpit.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
On Mon, Jun 18, 2018, 9:20 PM Doug <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
New member here from Bend, OR. just bought a Montgomery 15.
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My only suggestion is to search ebay and Craig's list. I got one for my M17 off of CL, It took a two hour drive to pick it up, but that is what I did. Believe it or not, it actually fit into the back of my little Fiat 500 with the seats down. Art Haberland M-17 #406 Tea On Sun, Aug 14, 2022 at 3:39 PM Bob Eeg <montgomeryboats@hotmail.com> wrote:
Doug Call Dave at Railmakers in Costa Mesa. CA. Say hi for me.
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On Jun 19, 2018, at 10:24 AM, doug <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks Steve for the response here on my bow pulpit. I do plan to get one and I agree, from the photos of the M15 it does make the boat look at little more modern as well as serving a purpose, a place to hang the bow light!!
Doug M-15 Bend, OR
On Jun 19, 2018, at 10:12 AM, Steve Trapp <stevetrapp@Q.com> wrote:
If you have an M-15 without a bow pulpit, I recommend getting one, I have one on mine and think it makes the foredeck safer, has some utility function, and adds a touch of class to the appearance. I used to tow my M-15 to a great lake on the Hwy between Bend - Eugene, but I can not recall the name of the lake, and I believe is now like R2AK, no motors allowed. Steve M-15 # 335
-----Original Message----- From: doug Sent: Monday, June 18, 2018 9:51 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bow pulpit. My boat did not come with a bow pulpit. Is there any resource for getting one made or used.
Thanks Dave. Seems like a nice piece of foredeck gear to have. I can see not having one on such a small boat but it could make the tiny foredeck a little more safe and useful. A place to do the Titanic pose as well.
Doug
On Jun 18, 2018, at 9:44 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Couple hundred bucks plus shipping is my guess.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
On Mon, Jun 18, 2018, 9:42 PM Doug <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
Do you know how much that might cost me Thanks for the tip.
Sent from BlueMail
On Jun 18, 2018, 10:40 PM, at 10:40 PM, Dave Scobie < scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Railmakers in California has the pattern to make a M15 pulpit.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
On Mon, Jun 18, 2018, 9:20 PM Doug <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
> New member here from Bend, OR. just bought a Montgomery 15. > > Sent from BlueMail >
I prefer not to have one personally- less windage, less potentially leaky holes in the deck, and less weight on the bow (although on an M15, weight on the bow keeps the stern up, probably makes it faster in most cases), and a cleaner look to the boat. I also really don't like how they tend to distort the jib on certain points of sail. It's good to have something to grab onto when doing a headsail change in rough conditions, but for me having tight jacklines (just my regular dock lines) does the trick. Overall my M15 is somewhat lighter than most above the waterline as it's missing a lot of options, including having no electrical system, and I usually don't bring my 19lb 2-stroke outboard either unless it's required in the rules for a particular race or I'm bringing passengers that would be afraid without it. I do however sometimes carry a bottle of rum, but it's stored below the waterline, and usually only full at the very start of the sail... Sincerely, Tyler '81 M15 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Trapp" <stevetrapp@Q.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 10:12:11 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bow pulpit. My boat did not come with a bow pulpit. Is there any resource for getting one made or used. If you have an M-15 without a bow pulpit, I recommend getting one, I have one on mine and think it makes the foredeck safer, has some utility function, and adds a touch of class to the appearance. I used to tow my M-15 to a great lake on the Hwy between Bend - Eugene, but I can not recall the name of the lake, and I believe is now like R2AK, no motors allowed. Steve M-15 # 335 -----Original Message----- From: doug Sent: Monday, June 18, 2018 9:51 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bow pulpit. My boat did not come with a bow pulpit. Is there any resource for getting one made or used. Thanks Dave. Seems like a nice piece of foredeck gear to have. I can see not having one on such a small boat but it could make the tiny foredeck a little more safe and useful. A place to do the Titanic pose as well. Doug
On Jun 18, 2018, at 9:44 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Couple hundred bucks plus shipping is my guess.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
On Mon, Jun 18, 2018, 9:42 PM Doug <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
Do you know how much that might cost me Thanks for the tip.
Sent from BlueMail
On Jun 18, 2018, 10:40 PM, at 10:40 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Railmakers in California has the pattern to make a M15 pulpit.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
On Mon, Jun 18, 2018, 9:20 PM Doug <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
New member here from Bend, OR. just bought a Montgomery 15.
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Tyler… You make some good points here. I never plan to race so weight is not an issue. I know what you mean about the jib getting misshaped by the bow pulpit. And I sure get the absolute need for the bottle of rum but I substitute with Tequila. Always seems to smooth the waters. Doug ’80 M-15
On Jun 19, 2018, at 10:32 AM, casioqv@usermail.com wrote:
I prefer not to have one personally- less windage, less potentially leaky holes in the deck, and less weight on the bow (although on an M15, weight on the bow keeps the stern up, probably makes it faster in most cases), and a cleaner look to the boat. I also really don't like how they tend to distort the jib on certain points of sail. It's good to have something to grab onto when doing a headsail change in rough conditions, but for me having tight jacklines (just my regular dock lines) does the trick.
Overall my M15 is somewhat lighter than most above the waterline as it's missing a lot of options, including having no electrical system, and I usually don't bring my 19lb 2-stroke outboard either unless it's required in the rules for a particular race or I'm bringing passengers that would be afraid without it. I do however sometimes carry a bottle of rum, but it's stored below the waterline, and usually only full at the very start of the sail...
Sincerely, Tyler '81 M15
----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Trapp" <stevetrapp@Q.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 10:12:11 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bow pulpit. My boat did not come with a bow pulpit. Is there any resource for getting one made or used.
If you have an M-15 without a bow pulpit, I recommend getting one, I have one on mine and think it makes the foredeck safer, has some utility function, and adds a touch of class to the appearance. I used to tow my M-15 to a great lake on the Hwy between Bend - Eugene, but I can not recall the name of the lake, and I believe is now like R2AK, no motors allowed. Steve M-15 # 335
-----Original Message----- From: doug Sent: Monday, June 18, 2018 9:51 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bow pulpit. My boat did not come with a bow pulpit. Is there any resource for getting one made or used.
Thanks Dave. Seems like a nice piece of foredeck gear to have. I can see not having one on such a small boat but it could make the tiny foredeck a little more safe and useful. A place to do the Titanic pose as well.
Doug
On Jun 18, 2018, at 9:44 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Couple hundred bucks plus shipping is my guess.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
On Mon, Jun 18, 2018, 9:42 PM Doug <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
Do you know how much that might cost me Thanks for the tip.
Sent from BlueMail
On Jun 18, 2018, 10:40 PM, at 10:40 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Railmakers in California has the pattern to make a M15 pulpit.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
On Mon, Jun 18, 2018, 9:20 PM Doug <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
New member here from Bend, OR. just bought a Montgomery 15.
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" I do however sometimes carry a bottle of rum, but it's stored below the waterline, and usually only full at the very start of the sail..". I have wondered how you go so fast! -----Original Message----- From: doug Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 10:53 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bow pulpit. My boat did not come with a bow pulpit. Is there any resource for getting one made or used. Tyler… You make some good points here. I never plan to race so weight is not an issue. I know what you mean about the jib getting misshaped by the bow pulpit. And I sure get the absolute need for the bottle of rum but I substitute with Tequila. Always seems to smooth the waters. Doug ’80 M-15
On Jun 19, 2018, at 10:32 AM, casioqv@usermail.com wrote:
I prefer not to have one personally- less windage, less potentially leaky holes in the deck, and less weight on the bow (although on an M15, weight on the bow keeps the stern up, probably makes it faster in most cases), and a cleaner look to the boat. I also really don't like how they tend to distort the jib on certain points of sail. It's good to have something to grab onto when doing a headsail change in rough conditions, but for me having tight jacklines (just my regular dock lines) does the trick.
Overall my M15 is somewhat lighter than most above the waterline as it's missing a lot of options, including having no electrical system, and I usually don't bring my 19lb 2-stroke outboard either unless it's required in the rules for a particular race or I'm bringing passengers that would be afraid without it. I do however sometimes carry a bottle of rum, but it's stored below the waterline, and usually only full at the very start of the sail...
Sincerely, Tyler '81 M15
----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Trapp" <stevetrapp@Q.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 10:12:11 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bow pulpit. My boat did not come with a bow pulpit. Is there any resource for getting one made or used.
If you have an M-15 without a bow pulpit, I recommend getting one, I have one on mine and think it makes the foredeck safer, has some utility function, and adds a touch of class to the appearance. I used to tow my M-15 to a great lake on the Hwy between Bend - Eugene, but I can not recall the name of the lake, and I believe is now like R2AK, no motors allowed. Steve M-15 # 335
-----Original Message----- From: doug Sent: Monday, June 18, 2018 9:51 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bow pulpit. My boat did not come with a bow pulpit. Is there any resource for getting one made or used.
Thanks Dave. Seems like a nice piece of foredeck gear to have. I can see not having one on such a small boat but it could make the tiny foredeck a little more safe and useful. A place to do the Titanic pose as well.
Doug
On Jun 18, 2018, at 9:44 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Couple hundred bucks plus shipping is my guess.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
On Mon, Jun 18, 2018, 9:42 PM Doug <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
Do you know how much that might cost me Thanks for the tip.
Sent from BlueMail
On Jun 18, 2018, 10:40 PM, at 10:40 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Railmakers in California has the pattern to make a M15 pulpit.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
On Mon, Jun 18, 2018, 9:20 PM Doug <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
New member here from Bend, OR. just bought a Montgomery 15.
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Hey Doug, Welcome to the list from another Oregon Monty owner! I'm in Ashland, with a vintage M-17, "Pajarita" by name. Congrats on the M-15 acquisition. cheers, John On 06/18/2018 08:21 PM, Doug wrote:
New member here from Bend, OR. just bought a Montgomery 15.
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Try Railmakers in Costa mesa, CA- That's who I bought them from. -----Original Message----- From: John Schinnerer Sent: Monday, June 18, 2018 10:47 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bow pulpit. My boat did not come with a bow pulpit. Is there any resource for getting one made or used. Hey Doug, Welcome to the list from another Oregon Monty owner! I'm in Ashland, with a vintage M-17, "Pajarita" by name. Congrats on the M-15 acquisition. cheers, John On 06/18/2018 08:21 PM, Doug wrote:
New member here from Bend, OR. just bought a Montgomery 15.
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If you get the pulpit, I might suggest getting it ready for wiring for a bow light before installing it. A bow lighton the pulpit is nicer than a deck mount as the jib is in the way. It would be nice to have a little square piece of metal at the top of the pulpit welded, ready to attach a bow light, with anhole for the bow light wiring to go into the pulpit, along with drilling an entrance hole in the bottom, so the wires can be fully inside the pulpit and run from the cabin up through the railing. Easier to do now, rather than later. From: "jerry@jerrymontgomery.org" <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2018 11:11 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bow pulpit. My boat did not come with a bow pulpit. Is there any resource for getting one made or used. Try Railmakers in Costa mesa, CA- That's who I bought them from. -----Original Message----- From: John Schinnerer Sent: Monday, June 18, 2018 10:47 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bow pulpit. My boat did not come with a bow pulpit. Is there any resource for getting one made or used. Hey Doug, Welcome to the list from another Oregon Monty owner! I'm in Ashland, with a vintage M-17, "Pajarita" by name. Congrats on the M-15 acquisition. cheers, John On 06/18/2018 08:21 PM, Doug wrote:
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Welcome Doug. I'm on the west side of the state with an M23 at Winchester Bay and an M15 at home in Roseburg. A good friend a few miles north of me also has an M17. Mark Dvorscak On Mon, Jun 18, 2018, 21:20 Doug <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
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Dwyer mast has never produced any rig for any M Boat. What makes you think that..? Bob Sent from my iPad
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Welcome Doug. I'm on the west side of the state with an M23 at Winchester Bay and an M15 at home in Roseburg. A good friend a few miles north of me also has an M17. Mark Dvorscak
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Well that's good to know..I was told that by someone at Montgomery Boats when I phoned up On Tue, Jun 19, 2018, 12:47 PM Bob Eeg, <montgomeryboats@hotmail.com> wrote:
Dwyer mast has never produced any rig for any M Boat. What makes you think that..? Bob
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Welcome Doug. I'm on the west side of the state with an M23 at Winchester Bay and an M15 at home in Roseburg. A good friend a few miles north of me also has an M17. Mark Dvorscak
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New member here from Point Roberts, WA / Vancouver, BC, I just bought a 1980 Montgomery 17. I have a curious issue, my standing rigging is too long despite tightening the turnbuckles to the shortest length. I am planning on buying new stays from Dwyer (who apparently makes the Montgomery rig) Are the rig specs posted anywhere? The person who I talked to at Dwyer couldn't find them for the 17. Cheers, Jason On Mon, Jun 18, 2018, 9:20 PM Doug, <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
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If the rigging is too long, I would strongly suspect that it wasn't always that way... is a chainplate pulling out, or is the cabin top/compression post damaged? Or was the bottom of the mast damaged and cut shorter? It might be dangerous to shorten the rig without first figuring out why it's too long as the problem could keep progressing. On the C22, sometimes the bottom of the mast gets damaged, and they sell this kit to raise up the mast step 1", to compensate for cutting 1" off: https://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm/product/1711_28/mast-step-shim-kit-... Another idea would be to cut one end of the shrouds shorter, and install Hayn Hi-MOD Fittings. I made the whole rig for my M15 with those, and really like them. They're reusable, and can be installed with simple hand tools. Sincerely, Tyler ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Leckie" <leckie.jas@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 12:33:08 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bow pulpit. My boat did not come with a bow pulpit. Is there any resource for getting one made or used. New member here from Point Roberts, WA / Vancouver, BC, I just bought a 1980 Montgomery 17. I have a curious issue, my standing rigging is too long despite tightening the turnbuckles to the shortest length. I am planning on buying new stays from Dwyer (who apparently makes the Montgomery rig) Are the rig specs posted anywhere? The person who I talked to at Dwyer couldn't find them for the 17. Cheers, Jason On Mon, Jun 18, 2018, 9:20 PM Doug, <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
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Thanks for your ideas Tyler. From what I can tell all seems to be solid but I will continue to inspect. I was thinking that perhaps the last owner used a block to raise the mast up after installing stays that were too short but not sure. I will look into the the Hayn Hi-MOD fittings Jason On Tue, Jun 19, 2018, 1:03 PM , <casioqv@usermail.com> wrote:
If the rigging is too long, I would strongly suspect that it wasn't always that way... is a chainplate pulling out, or is the cabin top/compression post damaged? Or was the bottom of the mast damaged and cut shorter? It might be dangerous to shorten the rig without first figuring out why it's too long as the problem could keep progressing.
On the C22, sometimes the bottom of the mast gets damaged, and they sell this kit to raise up the mast step 1", to compensate for cutting 1" off:
https://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm/product/1711_28/mast-step-shim-kit-...
Another idea would be to cut one end of the shrouds shorter, and install Hayn Hi-MOD Fittings. I made the whole rig for my M15 with those, and really like them. They're reusable, and can be installed with simple hand tools.
Sincerely, Tyler
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Leckie" <leckie.jas@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 12:33:08 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bow pulpit. My boat did not come with a bow pulpit. Is there any resource for getting one made or used.
New member here from Point Roberts, WA / Vancouver, BC, I just bought a 1980 Montgomery 17.
I have a curious issue, my standing rigging is too long despite tightening the turnbuckles to the shortest length. I am planning on buying new stays from Dwyer (who apparently makes the Montgomery rig) Are the rig specs posted anywhere? The person who I talked to at Dwyer couldn't find them for the 17.
Cheers, Jason
On Mon, Jun 18, 2018, 9:20 PM Doug, <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
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Mine came with a forestay and backstay that didn't allow for any aft rake at all...the mast was vertical at best, maybe even a tiny bit fore-raked unless the backstay was maxed out closed and the forestay was closer than I liked to wide open in the turnbuckles (they were NOT the original stays). Even if you can find the original specs...on a used boat from 1980 with possible modifications you couldn't know about...you are probably safer measuring for the new stays yourself. You could order a "stock" set and end up with some (or all) not fitting. At the least, measure what you've got and check against any spec you do find for originals. You can base new rigging on the existing ones that are too long, just factoring in how much shorter each piece needs to be. Make sure to measure that your mast is vertical side to side and adjust if/as necessary for shroud length. And adjust for rake if that needs changes in stay length also. I tried and tried to find someone in my area that does machine swaging of stainless fittings and cable but couldn't come up with anything (mostly motorboat shops and semi truck fabricators and logging riggers and trailer builders around here). I have had good experience so far with Rigging Only: http://www.riggingandhardware.com/ They have been able to answer all my "I don't know about some of these little rigging bits and pieces" questions clearly and patiently on the phone and/or by e-mail, they provide a quote before you commit to order, and service is quick so far (fitted, swaged and shipped out in a couple days at most). Prices are as good or better than any others I found, for both parts and labor. This is definitely one of those "measure seven times, order once" kind of situations...even have someone else do the measuring separately and check vs. your numbers. Mine came out just right, with enough paranoia in my measuring and re-measuring. cheers, John On 06/19/2018 12:33 PM, Jason Leckie wrote:
New member here from Point Roberts, WA / Vancouver, BC, I just bought a 1980 Montgomery 17.
I have a curious issue, my standing rigging is too long despite tightening the turnbuckles to the shortest length. I am planning on buying new stays from Dwyer (who apparently makes the Montgomery rig) Are the rig specs posted anywhere? The person who I talked to at Dwyer couldn't find them for the 17.
Cheers, Jason
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Thanks John, some very helpful information there from someone who has had a somewhat similar situation. Jason On Tue, Jun 19, 2018, 1:05 PM John Schinnerer, <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Mine came with a forestay and backstay that didn't allow for any aft rake at all...the mast was vertical at best, maybe even a tiny bit fore-raked unless the backstay was maxed out closed and the forestay was closer than I liked to wide open in the turnbuckles (they were NOT the original stays).
Even if you can find the original specs...on a used boat from 1980 with possible modifications you couldn't know about...you are probably safer measuring for the new stays yourself. You could order a "stock" set and end up with some (or all) not fitting. At the least, measure what you've got and check against any spec you do find for originals.
You can base new rigging on the existing ones that are too long, just factoring in how much shorter each piece needs to be. Make sure to measure that your mast is vertical side to side and adjust if/as necessary for shroud length. And adjust for rake if that needs changes in stay length also.
I tried and tried to find someone in my area that does machine swaging of stainless fittings and cable but couldn't come up with anything (mostly motorboat shops and semi truck fabricators and logging riggers and trailer builders around here). I have had good experience so far with Rigging Only: http://www.riggingandhardware.com/
They have been able to answer all my "I don't know about some of these little rigging bits and pieces" questions clearly and patiently on the phone and/or by e-mail, they provide a quote before you commit to order, and service is quick so far (fitted, swaged and shipped out in a couple days at most). Prices are as good or better than any others I found, for both parts and labor.
This is definitely one of those "measure seven times, order once" kind of situations...even have someone else do the measuring separately and check vs. your numbers. Mine came out just right, with enough paranoia in my measuring and re-measuring.
cheers, John
On 06/19/2018 12:33 PM, Jason Leckie wrote:
New member here from Point Roberts, WA / Vancouver, BC, I just bought a 1980 Montgomery 17.
I have a curious issue, my standing rigging is too long despite tightening the turnbuckles to the shortest length. I am planning on buying new stays from Dwyer (who apparently makes the Montgomery rig) Are the rig specs posted anywhere? The person who I talked to at Dwyer couldn't find them for the 17.
Cheers, Jason
On Mon, Jun 18, 2018, 9:20 PM Doug, <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
New member here from Bend, OR. just bought a Montgomery 15.
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Jason- the 17 will sail far better with about 10 or 12" of rake- the exact amount depends on what kind of shape your main is in. -----Original Message----- From: Jason Leckie Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 1:26 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bow pulpit. My boat did not come with a bow pulpit. Is there any resource for getting one made or used. Thanks John, some very helpful information there from someone who has had a somewhat similar situation. Jason On Tue, Jun 19, 2018, 1:05 PM John Schinnerer, <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Mine came with a forestay and backstay that didn't allow for any aft rake at all...the mast was vertical at best, maybe even a tiny bit fore-raked unless the backstay was maxed out closed and the forestay was closer than I liked to wide open in the turnbuckles (they were NOT the original stays).
Even if you can find the original specs...on a used boat from 1980 with possible modifications you couldn't know about...you are probably safer measuring for the new stays yourself. You could order a "stock" set and end up with some (or all) not fitting. At the least, measure what you've got and check against any spec you do find for originals.
You can base new rigging on the existing ones that are too long, just factoring in how much shorter each piece needs to be. Make sure to measure that your mast is vertical side to side and adjust if/as necessary for shroud length. And adjust for rake if that needs changes in stay length also.
I tried and tried to find someone in my area that does machine swaging of stainless fittings and cable but couldn't come up with anything (mostly motorboat shops and semi truck fabricators and logging riggers and trailer builders around here). I have had good experience so far with Rigging Only: http://www.riggingandhardware.com/
They have been able to answer all my "I don't know about some of these little rigging bits and pieces" questions clearly and patiently on the phone and/or by e-mail, they provide a quote before you commit to order, and service is quick so far (fitted, swaged and shipped out in a couple days at most). Prices are as good or better than any others I found, for both parts and labor.
This is definitely one of those "measure seven times, order once" kind of situations...even have someone else do the measuring separately and check vs. your numbers. Mine came out just right, with enough paranoia in my measuring and re-measuring.
cheers, John
On 06/19/2018 12:33 PM, Jason Leckie wrote:
New member here from Point Roberts, WA / Vancouver, BC, I just bought a 1980 Montgomery 17.
I have a curious issue, my standing rigging is too long despite tightening the turnbuckles to the shortest length. I am planning on buying new stays from Dwyer (who apparently makes the Montgomery rig) Are the rig specs posted anywhere? The person who I talked to at Dwyer couldn't find them for the 17.
Cheers, Jason
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Ok Jerry, the boat does have newer mylar sails so will add that in to the mix. The fore and aft stays aren't too bad for tension, it's more the side stays that are ridiculously loose. Cheers, Jason On Tue, Jun 19, 2018, 1:39 PM , <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> wrote:
Jason- the 17 will sail far better with about 10 or 12" of rake- the exact amount depends on what kind of shape your main is in.
-----Original Message----- From: Jason Leckie Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 1:26 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bow pulpit. My boat did not come with a bow pulpit. Is there any resource for getting one made or used.
Thanks John, some very helpful information there from someone who has had a somewhat similar situation.
Jason
On Tue, Jun 19, 2018, 1:05 PM John Schinnerer, <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Mine came with a forestay and backstay that didn't allow for any aft rake at all...the mast was vertical at best, maybe even a tiny bit fore-raked unless the backstay was maxed out closed and the forestay was closer than I liked to wide open in the turnbuckles (they were NOT the original stays).
Even if you can find the original specs...on a used boat from 1980 with possible modifications you couldn't know about...you are probably safer measuring for the new stays yourself. You could order a "stock" set and end up with some (or all) not fitting. At the least, measure what you've got and check against any spec you do find for originals.
You can base new rigging on the existing ones that are too long, just factoring in how much shorter each piece needs to be. Make sure to measure that your mast is vertical side to side and adjust if/as necessary for shroud length. And adjust for rake if that needs changes in stay length also.
I tried and tried to find someone in my area that does machine swaging of stainless fittings and cable but couldn't come up with anything (mostly motorboat shops and semi truck fabricators and logging riggers and trailer builders around here). I have had good experience so far with Rigging Only: http://www.riggingandhardware.com/
They have been able to answer all my "I don't know about some of these little rigging bits and pieces" questions clearly and patiently on the phone and/or by e-mail, they provide a quote before you commit to order, and service is quick so far (fitted, swaged and shipped out in a couple days at most). Prices are as good or better than any others I found, for both parts and labor.
This is definitely one of those "measure seven times, order once" kind of situations...even have someone else do the measuring separately and check vs. your numbers. Mine came out just right, with enough paranoia in my measuring and re-measuring.
cheers, John
On 06/19/2018 12:33 PM, Jason Leckie wrote:
New member here from Point Roberts, WA / Vancouver, BC, I just bought a 1980 Montgomery 17.
I have a curious issue, my standing rigging is too long despite tightening the turnbuckles to the shortest length. I am planning on buying new stays from Dwyer (who apparently makes the Montgomery rig) Are the rig specs posted anywhere? The person who I talked to at Dwyer couldn't find them for the 17.
Cheers, Jason
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Rake the mast until the rudder blade is straight fore-aft, or even cocked to weather a tiny bit, but the rudder pointing to leeward, caused by lee helm, even a slight bit, is a disaster trying to sail upwind. Go by the feel of the helm. -----Original Message----- From: Jason Leckie Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 1:49 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bow pulpit. My boat did not come with a bow pulpit. Is there any resource for getting one made or used. Ok Jerry, the boat does have newer mylar sails so will add that in to the mix. The fore and aft stays aren't too bad for tension, it's more the side stays that are ridiculously loose. Cheers, Jason On Tue, Jun 19, 2018, 1:39 PM , <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> wrote:
Jason- the 17 will sail far better with about 10 or 12" of rake- the exact amount depends on what kind of shape your main is in.
-----Original Message----- From: Jason Leckie Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 1:26 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bow pulpit. My boat did not come with a bow pulpit. Is there any resource for getting one made or used.
Thanks John, some very helpful information there from someone who has had a somewhat similar situation.
Jason
On Tue, Jun 19, 2018, 1:05 PM John Schinnerer, <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Mine came with a forestay and backstay that didn't allow for any aft rake at all...the mast was vertical at best, maybe even a tiny bit fore-raked unless the backstay was maxed out closed and the forestay was closer than I liked to wide open in the turnbuckles (they were NOT the original stays).
Even if you can find the original specs...on a used boat from 1980 with possible modifications you couldn't know about...you are probably safer measuring for the new stays yourself. You could order a "stock" set and end up with some (or all) not fitting. At the least, measure what you've got and check against any spec you do find for originals.
You can base new rigging on the existing ones that are too long, just factoring in how much shorter each piece needs to be. Make sure to measure that your mast is vertical side to side and adjust if/as necessary for shroud length. And adjust for rake if that needs changes in stay length also.
I tried and tried to find someone in my area that does machine swaging of stainless fittings and cable but couldn't come up with anything (mostly motorboat shops and semi truck fabricators and logging riggers and trailer builders around here). I have had good experience so far with Rigging Only: http://www.riggingandhardware.com/
They have been able to answer all my "I don't know about some of these little rigging bits and pieces" questions clearly and patiently on the phone and/or by e-mail, they provide a quote before you commit to order, and service is quick so far (fitted, swaged and shipped out in a couple days at most). Prices are as good or better than any others I found, for both parts and labor.
This is definitely one of those "measure seven times, order once" kind of situations...even have someone else do the measuring separately and check vs. your numbers. Mine came out just right, with enough paranoia in my measuring and re-measuring.
cheers, John
On 06/19/2018 12:33 PM, Jason Leckie wrote:
New member here from Point Roberts, WA / Vancouver, BC, I just bought a 1980 Montgomery 17.
I have a curious issue, my standing rigging is too long despite tightening the turnbuckles to the shortest length. I am planning on buying new stays from Dwyer (who apparently makes the Montgomery rig) Are the rig specs posted anywhere? The person who I talked to at Dwyer couldn't find them for the 17.
Cheers, Jason
On Mon, Jun 18, 2018, 9:20 PM Doug, <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
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Jason, Consider figuring the length of your rigging to include toggles for the shrouds - no real need for them on the stays. If your shrouds are too long tension the lowers to support the mast - use a piece of line to tension both of them across the boat if needed and take one upper shroud (one only!) off and add the total length of turnbuckle (at 65% extension)-toggle and measure to the spot on your turnbuckle where it should show the end of the stud, mark where the END of the shroud terminal stud should sit in the t-buckle body with a marker - this will get you the approx. length of the shroud - OR, even easier- tie a small diameter piece of dyneema to the upper tang pin -run it thru the spreader and down to the chainplate at the appropriate hole, mark and subtract the length of the t-buckle and toggle to the location for the end of the stud. For the lowers - reverse the process and use the 'tensioned' upper shrouds to hold the mast in place - Do BOTH sides and check twice as it is a pain to get a set of shrouds that are too long - Too short and you can add another toggle (messy but works till next time!) Make sure your spreaders are set at the correct angle when measuring and sailing -bisect the angle the shroud makes as it is deflected at the spreader tip. (aiming UP maybe 7 degrees) Check for plumb as you go and be sure to get that 10-12" of rake in the rig as Jerry states - HE REALLY DOES KNOW WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT - in this case at least..... I did all of my standing rigging using small diameter line when I switched to a new rig that had t-terminals and was taller. -worked fine, but about a 1/2 day of agonizing over it! Shrouds and stays came out darn near spot on. Good Luck - Be careful - measure thrice! When you get it put together - come on out to the Cruiser Challenge - your boat should be faster than Jerry's! {;>) Gary Oberbeck M-17t ("t" is for 'tight rig' or 'tall') fairandsquare1@gmail.com -----Original Message----- From: jerry <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tue, Jun 19, 2018 2:53 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bow pulpit. My boat did not come with a bow pulpit. Is there any resource for getting one made or used. Rake the mast until the rudder blade is straight fore-aft, or even cocked to weather a tiny bit, but the rudder pointing to leeward, caused by lee helm, even a slight bit, is a disaster trying to sail upwind. Go by the feel of the helm. -----Original Message----- From: Jason Leckie Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 1:49 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bow pulpit. My boat did not come with a bow pulpit. Is there any resource for getting one made or used. Ok Jerry, the boat does have newer mylar sails so will add that in to the mix. The fore and aft stays aren't too bad for tension, it's more the side stays that are ridiculously loose. Cheers, Jason On Tue, Jun 19, 2018, 1:39 PM , <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> wrote:
Jason- the 17 will sail far better with about 10 or 12" of rake- the exact amount depends on what kind of shape your main is in.
-----Original Message----- From: Jason Leckie Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 1:26 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bow pulpit. My boat did not come with a bow pulpit. Is there any resource for getting one made or used.
Thanks John, some very helpful information there from someone who has had a somewhat similar situation.
Jason
On Tue, Jun 19, 2018, 1:05 PM John Schinnerer, <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Mine came with a forestay and backstay that didn't allow for any aft rake at all...the mast was vertical at best, maybe even a tiny bit fore-raked unless the backstay was maxed out closed and the forestay was closer than I liked to wide open in the turnbuckles (they were NOT the original stays).
Even if you can find the original specs...on a used boat from 1980 with possible modifications you couldn't know about...you are probably safer measuring for the new stays yourself. You could order a "stock" set and end up with some (or all) not fitting. At the least, measure what you've got and check against any spec you do find for originals.
You can base new rigging on the existing ones that are too long, just factoring in how much shorter each piece needs to be. Make sure to measure that your mast is vertical side to side and adjust if/as necessary for shroud length. And adjust for rake if that needs changes in stay length also.
I tried and tried to find someone in my area that does machine swaging of stainless fittings and cable but couldn't come up with anything (mostly motorboat shops and semi truck fabricators and logging riggers and trailer builders around here). I have had good experience so far with Rigging Only: http://www.riggingandhardware.com/
They have been able to answer all my "I don't know about some of these little rigging bits and pieces" questions clearly and patiently on the phone and/or by e-mail, they provide a quote before you commit to order, and service is quick so far (fitted, swaged and shipped out in a couple days at most). Prices are as good or better than any others I found, for both parts and labor.
This is definitely one of those "measure seven times, order once" kind of situations...even have someone else do the measuring separately and check vs. your numbers. Mine came out just right, with enough paranoia in my measuring and re-measuring.
cheers, John
On 06/19/2018 12:33 PM, Jason Leckie wrote:
New member here from Point Roberts, WA / Vancouver, BC, I just bought a 1980 Montgomery 17.
I have a curious issue, my standing rigging is too long despite tightening the turnbuckles to the shortest length. I am planning on buying new stays from Dwyer (who apparently makes the Montgomery rig) Are the rig specs posted anywhere? The person who I talked to at Dwyer couldn't find them for the 17.
Cheers, Jason
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Thanks everyone for your advice, it's a great help to draw on all of your experience. Looks like I have my homework cut out for me.. On Tue, Jun 19, 2018, 4:02 PM Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats, < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Jason, Consider figuring the length of your rigging to include toggles for the shrouds - no real need for them on the stays. If your shrouds are too long tension the lowers to support the mast - use a piece of line to tension both of them across the boat if needed and take one upper shroud (one only!) off and add the total length of turnbuckle (at 65% extension)-toggle and measure to the spot on your turnbuckle where it should show the end of the stud, mark where the END of the shroud terminal stud should sit in the t-buckle body with a marker - this will get you the approx. length of the shroud -
OR, even easier- tie a small diameter piece of dyneema to the upper tang pin -run it thru the spreader and down to the chainplate at the appropriate hole, mark and subtract the length of the t-buckle and toggle to the location for the end of the stud. For the lowers - reverse the process and use the 'tensioned' upper shrouds to hold the mast in place - Do BOTH sides and check twice as it is a pain to get a set of shrouds that are too long - Too short and you can add another toggle (messy but works till next time!) Make sure your spreaders are set at the correct angle when measuring and sailing -bisect the angle the shroud makes as it is deflected at the spreader tip. (aiming UP maybe 7 degrees) Check for plumb as you go and be sure to get that 10-12" of rake in the rig as Jerry states - HE REALLY DOES KNOW WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT - in this case at least.....
I did all of my standing rigging using small diameter line when I switched to a new rig that had t-terminals and was taller. -worked fine, but about a 1/2 day of agonizing over it! Shrouds and stays came out darn near spot on.
Good Luck - Be careful - measure thrice!
When you get it put together - come on out to the Cruiser Challenge - your boat should be faster than Jerry's! {;>)
Gary Oberbeck M-17t ("t" is for 'tight rig' or 'tall') fairandsquare1@gmail.com
-----Original Message----- From: jerry <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tue, Jun 19, 2018 2:53 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bow pulpit. My boat did not come with a bow pulpit. Is there any resource for getting one made or used.
Rake the mast until the rudder blade is straight fore-aft, or even cocked to weather a tiny bit, but the rudder pointing to leeward, caused by lee helm, even a slight bit, is a disaster trying to sail upwind. Go by the feel of the helm.
-----Original Message----- From: Jason Leckie Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 1:49 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bow pulpit. My boat did not come with a bow pulpit. Is there any resource for getting one made or used.
Ok Jerry, the boat does have newer mylar sails so will add that in to the mix. The fore and aft stays aren't too bad for tension, it's more the side stays that are ridiculously loose.
Cheers, Jason
On Tue, Jun 19, 2018, 1:39 PM , <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> wrote:
Jason- the 17 will sail far better with about 10 or 12" of rake- the exact amount depends on what kind of shape your main is in.
-----Original Message----- From: Jason Leckie Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 1:26 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bow pulpit. My boat did not come with a bow pulpit. Is there any resource for getting one made or used.
Thanks John, some very helpful information there from someone who has had a somewhat similar situation.
Jason
On Tue, Jun 19, 2018, 1:05 PM John Schinnerer, <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Mine came with a forestay and backstay that didn't allow for any aft rake at all...the mast was vertical at best, maybe even a tiny bit fore-raked unless the backstay was maxed out closed and the forestay was closer than I liked to wide open in the turnbuckles (they were NOT the original stays).
Even if you can find the original specs...on a used boat from 1980 with possible modifications you couldn't know about...you are probably safer measuring for the new stays yourself. You could order a "stock" set and end up with some (or all) not fitting. At the least, measure what you've got and check against any spec you do find for originals.
You can base new rigging on the existing ones that are too long, just factoring in how much shorter each piece needs to be. Make sure to measure that your mast is vertical side to side and adjust if/as necessary for shroud length. And adjust for rake if that needs changes in stay length also.
I tried and tried to find someone in my area that does machine swaging of stainless fittings and cable but couldn't come up with anything (mostly motorboat shops and semi truck fabricators and logging riggers and trailer builders around here). I have had good experience so far with Rigging Only: http://www.riggingandhardware.com/
They have been able to answer all my "I don't know about some of these little rigging bits and pieces" questions clearly and patiently on the phone and/or by e-mail, they provide a quote before you commit to order, and service is quick so far (fitted, swaged and shipped out in a couple days at most). Prices are as good or better than any others I found, for both parts and labor.
This is definitely one of those "measure seven times, order once" kind of situations...even have someone else do the measuring separately and check vs. your numbers. Mine came out just right, with enough paranoia in my measuring and re-measuring.
cheers, John
On 06/19/2018 12:33 PM, Jason Leckie wrote:
New member here from Point Roberts, WA / Vancouver, BC, I just bought a 1980 Montgomery 17.
I have a curious issue, my standing rigging is too long despite tightening the turnbuckles to the shortest length. I am planning on buying new stays from Dwyer (who apparently makes the Montgomery rig) Are the rig specs posted anywhere? The person who I talked to at Dwyer couldn't find them for the 17.
Cheers, Jason
On Mon, Jun 18, 2018, 9:20 PM Doug, <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
New member here from Bend, OR. just bought a Montgomery 15.
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On 06/19/2018 04:01 PM, Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats wrote:
Jason, Consider figuring the length of your rigging to include toggles for the shrouds - no real need for them on the stays.
Regardless of what doodads you have on the ends, this is the tricky part of measuring - making sure you don't mess up by not calculating correctly for existing hardware at the ends. For example if you're ordering a piece that will go from mast-head attachment point to a stud that threads into your existing turnbuckle at the bottom - my case when ordering a new backstay - you have to make very sure to calculate correctly the finished length of the new assembly with the stud threaded ~halfway into the turnbuckle on both sides. If you know what hardware you are going to need at each end and have the measurement, then you just tell the rigger what goes on each end and what the pin to pin or pin to end of stud (or whatever you've got at the ends) length is, and they make it so. cheers, John -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
A good way to measure is to use bailing wire. obviously it's not strong enough to go for a trial sail, but it's cheep and will allow you to measure accurately. -----Original Message----- From: John Schinnerer Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2018 12:46 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bow pulpit. My boat did not come with a bow pulpit. Is there any resource for getting one made or used. On 06/19/2018 04:01 PM, Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats wrote:
Jason, Consider figuring the length of your rigging to include toggles for the shrouds - no real need for them on the stays.
Regardless of what doodads you have on the ends, this is the tricky part of measuring - making sure you don't mess up by not calculating correctly for existing hardware at the ends. For example if you're ordering a piece that will go from mast-head attachment point to a stud that threads into your existing turnbuckle at the bottom - my case when ordering a new backstay - you have to make very sure to calculate correctly the finished length of the new assembly with the stud threaded ~halfway into the turnbuckle on both sides. If you know what hardware you are going to need at each end and have the measurement, then you just tell the rigger what goes on each end and what the pin to pin or pin to end of stud (or whatever you've got at the ends) length is, and they make it so. cheers, John -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
On Tue, Jun 19, 2018, 1:39 PM , <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> wrote:
Jason- the 17 will sail far better with about 10 or 12" of rake- the exact amount depends on what kind of shape your main is in.
What is the correlation between rake and new vs. older sails, Jerry? In other words - a nice crisp brand new sail works best with more rake, or less rake? Older sails better with more rake, or less rake? For those curious about angles that correspond to 10-12 inches, 10 inches aft of vertical at masthead is ~2.2 degrees. 12 inches is ~2.7 degrees. I did angle calcs when getting my new stays. With turnbuckles at 50/50 fore and aft, I am at ~1.2 degrees aft rake (about 5.5 inches at masthead). Handy trig tool (lots of these online): http://www.pagetutor.com/trigcalc/trig.html cheers, John -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
I'm thinking with blown sails it matters how the sail is blown. Where the draft is set and so many other things ... in addition to how the main is blown v the headsail. Sweet Pea's sails are shot. The main and 150 are about equally bad. I'm playing with more rake but it is like tuning a Yugo ... still bad and disappointing. The 110 working jib is OK-ish and sets better so I notice the difference when switching to that sail. When I reef the main the sail sets and drives the boat more cleanly. In general Sweet Pea's way past operational age sails have made the helm too neutral. Her performance is driving me nuts! :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com On Wed, Jun 20, 2018, 5:11 PM John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
On Tue, Jun 19, 2018, 1:39 PM , <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> wrote:
Jason- the 17 will sail far better with about 10 or 12" of rake- the exact amount depends on what kind of shape your main is in.
What is the correlation between rake and new vs. older sails, Jerry? In other words - a nice crisp brand new sail works best with more rake, or less rake? Older sails better with more rake, or less rake?
For those curious about angles that correspond to 10-12 inches, 10 inches aft of vertical at masthead is ~2.2 degrees. 12 inches is ~2.7 degrees.
I did angle calcs when getting my new stays. With turnbuckles at 50/50 fore and aft, I am at ~1.2 degrees aft rake (about 5.5 inches at masthead).
Handy trig tool (lots of these online): http://www.pagetutor.com/trigcalc/trig.html
cheers, John
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
Blown out sails - worn out (resin and panel/seam orientation) = the stability and the preformed shape built into the sail is now deteriorated or stretched - obviously accounts for poor performance. The cloth in a worn out sail has become unstable and now stretches on the bias - accounting for the draft moving aft in most panel oriented sails (typical dacron cruising sail panel layout). Film sails typically show wear from delaminating, scrim and film separate and lose shape and strength. As a stop gap measure, an excessive amount of cunningham tension (or halyard tension) on the mainsail luff will move the draft forward BUT it is still too deep and this sometimes causes the leech to hook to weather. Headsails don't respond to this bandaid method as well because they don't have an outhaul to tension the foot and with additional halyard tension the draft moves FAR forward and is still showing too much draft where it is not needed, so you may notice the effects there first - BOTH sails being 'blown out', really just worn out, due to lack of stabile cloth - will adversely affect pointing - Max. draft moved aft at headsail = poor pointing. Draft moved aft in mainsail and hooked leech= poor pointing. For very Light Air - you want a 'fine or flat flat entry' - relatively flat in the front edge of the sail - as wind speed builds - add draft to the sail - less halyard tension or cunningham/downhaul until the sail becomes over powered, Heavy Air - flat sail with more twist to allow the head to depower. 'New' sails are built to have these shapes built in to the sail - it is impossible to use adjustments to restore a deteriorated sail to a good performing sail. This may help with 'blown out' sails but it is akin to a worn out engine - the sails are tired and performance will suffer - no mystery oil for sails - as in re-resin applications. When you get new well shaped and built sails you will fall in love with your boat AGAIN! I am fortunate and have managed to acquire two suits of sails - one suit is 'serviceable' and the other suit I save for racing or ? - When you replace your sails, do a side by side comparison as you may need to adjust your rig. See the book "Sail Power" by Wallace Ross, North Sails has a fine tome on sail trim, or check with a sailmakers online site ie. Ullman Sails, North, Hild and they will have information to help you get sails well trimmed AND how to properly store your sails. - we are lucky-our sails are short enough on the foot to roll them, rather than fold and thereby slow the 'blown out' process. If you can, store them indoors out of the heat,cold and rodents. Always wash with fresh water after sailing in salt! Advances in materials and methods have dramatically improved the quality and durability of modern sails - "Pretty sails" can make a tired looking boat sail well - A "pretty boat" with tired sails is a disappointing sailing craft. We sail very well designed boats and they will reward your time and experience with GOOD SAILS. Good luck,Take Care Have fUn, go sailing GO fairandsquare1@gmail.com -----Original Message----- From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wed, Jun 20, 2018 5:24 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bow pulpit. My boat did not come with a bow pulpit. Is there any resource for getting one made or used. I'm thinking with blown sails it matters how the sail is blown. Where the draft is set and so many other things ... in addition to how the main is blown v the headsail. Sweet Pea's sails are shot. The main and 150 are about equally bad. I'm playing with more rake but it is like tuning a Yugo ... still bad and disappointing. The 110 working jib is OK-ish and sets better so I notice the difference when switching to that sail. When I reef the main the sail sets and drives the boat more cleanly. In general Sweet Pea's way past operational age sails have made the helm too neutral. Her performance is driving me nuts! :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com On Wed, Jun 20, 2018, 5:11 PM John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
On Tue, Jun 19, 2018, 1:39 PM , <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> wrote:
Jason- the 17 will sail far better with about 10 or 12" of rake- the exact amount depends on what kind of shape your main is in.
What is the correlation between rake and new vs. older sails, Jerry? In other words - a nice crisp brand new sail works best with more rake, or less rake? Older sails better with more rake, or less rake?
For those curious about angles that correspond to 10-12 inches, 10 inches aft of vertical at masthead is ~2.2 degrees. 12 inches is ~2.7 degrees.
I did angle calcs when getting my new stays. With turnbuckles at 50/50 fore and aft, I am at ~1.2 degrees aft rake (about 5.5 inches at masthead).
Handy trig tool (lots of these online): http://www.pagetutor.com/trigcalc/trig.html
cheers, John
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
An old, baggy main will create more weather helm, and reduce the need for rake, mostly because the draft moves aft. The jib or genoa doesn't have nearly as much effect. -----Original Message----- From: John Schinnerer Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2018 5:10 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bow pulpit. My boat did not come with a bow pulpit. Is there any resource for getting one made or used.
On Tue, Jun 19, 2018, 1:39 PM , <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> wrote:
Jason- the 17 will sail far better with about 10 or 12" of rake- the exact amount depends on what kind of shape your main is in.
What is the correlation between rake and new vs. older sails, Jerry? In other words - a nice crisp brand new sail works best with more rake, or less rake? Older sails better with more rake, or less rake? For those curious about angles that correspond to 10-12 inches, 10 inches aft of vertical at masthead is ~2.2 degrees. 12 inches is ~2.7 degrees. I did angle calcs when getting my new stays. With turnbuckles at 50/50 fore and aft, I am at ~1.2 degrees aft rake (about 5.5 inches at masthead). Handy trig tool (lots of these online): http://www.pagetutor.com/trigcalc/trig.html cheers, John -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
Jason: Listen to Jerry on rigging the boat - there is no one better as he, like, created your boat. As stated already something is off as the question is 'why are they now to long'. Many try to put to much tension in the rig thinking 'on a Catalina 22...'. The rig needs to be 'snug' (Jerry's word). I'll not be at Pocket Yacht Palooza this year. Likely be in northern Gulf Islands or even further north if I 'gets a hankering'. May even end up near Vancouver BC later in the summer or fall. I'm writing this from a buoy at Spencer Spit State Park (San Juan Is). :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com On Tue, Jun 19, 2018, 1:40 PM <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> wrote:
Jason- the 17 will sail far better with about 10 or 12" of rake- the exact amount depends on what kind of shape your main is in.
-----Original Message----- From: Jason Leckie Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 1:26 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bow pulpit. My boat did not come with a bow pulpit. Is there any resource for getting one made or used.
Thanks John, some very helpful information there from someone who has had a somewhat similar situation.
Jason
On Tue, Jun 19, 2018, 1:05 PM John Schinnerer, <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Mine came with a forestay and backstay that didn't allow for any aft rake at all...the mast was vertical at best, maybe even a tiny bit fore-raked unless the backstay was maxed out closed and the forestay was closer than I liked to wide open in the turnbuckles (they were NOT the original stays).
Even if you can find the original specs...on a used boat from 1980 with possible modifications you couldn't know about...you are probably safer measuring for the new stays yourself. You could order a "stock" set and end up with some (or all) not fitting. At the least, measure what you've got and check against any spec you do find for originals.
You can base new rigging on the existing ones that are too long, just factoring in how much shorter each piece needs to be. Make sure to measure that your mast is vertical side to side and adjust if/as necessary for shroud length. And adjust for rake if that needs changes in stay length also.
I tried and tried to find someone in my area that does machine swaging of stainless fittings and cable but couldn't come up with anything (mostly motorboat shops and semi truck fabricators and logging riggers and trailer builders around here). I have had good experience so far with Rigging Only: http://www.riggingandhardware.com/
They have been able to answer all my "I don't know about some of these little rigging bits and pieces" questions clearly and patiently on the phone and/or by e-mail, they provide a quote before you commit to order, and service is quick so far (fitted, swaged and shipped out in a couple days at most). Prices are as good or better than any others I found, for both parts and labor.
This is definitely one of those "measure seven times, order once" kind of situations...even have someone else do the measuring separately and check vs. your numbers. Mine came out just right, with enough paranoia in my measuring and re-measuring.
cheers, John
On 06/19/2018 12:33 PM, Jason Leckie wrote:
New member here from Point Roberts, WA / Vancouver, BC, I just bought a 1980 Montgomery 17.
I have a curious issue, my standing rigging is too long despite tightening the turnbuckles to the shortest length. I am planning on buying new stays from Dwyer (who apparently makes the Montgomery rig) Are the rig specs posted anywhere? The person who I talked to at Dwyer couldn't find them for the 17.
Cheers, Jason
On Mon, Jun 18, 2018, 9:20 PM Doug, <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
New member here from Bend, OR. just bought a Montgomery 15.
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Adding a clarification - The M17 rig is snug NOT tight like on a Catalina 22. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com On Tue, Jun 19, 2018, 1:55 PM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Jason:
Listen to Jerry on rigging the boat - there is no one better as he, like, created your boat.
As stated already something is off as the question is 'why are they now to long'.
Many try to put to much tension in the rig thinking 'on a Catalina 22...'. The rig needs to be 'snug' (Jerry's word).
I'll not be at Pocket Yacht Palooza this year. Likely be in northern Gulf Islands or even further north if I 'gets a hankering'. May even end up near Vancouver BC later in the summer or fall.
I'm writing this from a buoy at Spencer Spit State Park (San Juan Is).
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
On Tue, Jun 19, 2018, 1:40 PM <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> wrote:
Jason- the 17 will sail far better with about 10 or 12" of rake- the exact amount depends on what kind of shape your main is in.
-----Original Message----- From: Jason Leckie Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 1:26 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bow pulpit. My boat did not come with a bow pulpit. Is there any resource for getting one made or used.
Thanks John, some very helpful information there from someone who has had a somewhat similar situation.
Jason
On Tue, Jun 19, 2018, 1:05 PM John Schinnerer, <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Mine came with a forestay and backstay that didn't allow for any aft rake at all...the mast was vertical at best, maybe even a tiny bit fore-raked unless the backstay was maxed out closed and the forestay was closer than I liked to wide open in the turnbuckles (they were NOT the original stays).
Even if you can find the original specs...on a used boat from 1980 with possible modifications you couldn't know about...you are probably safer measuring for the new stays yourself. You could order a "stock" set and end up with some (or all) not fitting. At the least, measure what you've got and check against any spec you do find for originals.
You can base new rigging on the existing ones that are too long, just factoring in how much shorter each piece needs to be. Make sure to measure that your mast is vertical side to side and adjust if/as necessary for shroud length. And adjust for rake if that needs changes in stay length also.
I tried and tried to find someone in my area that does machine swaging of stainless fittings and cable but couldn't come up with anything (mostly motorboat shops and semi truck fabricators and logging riggers and trailer builders around here). I have had good experience so far with Rigging Only: http://www.riggingandhardware.com/
They have been able to answer all my "I don't know about some of these little rigging bits and pieces" questions clearly and patiently on the phone and/or by e-mail, they provide a quote before you commit to order, and service is quick so far (fitted, swaged and shipped out in a couple days at most). Prices are as good or better than any others I found, for both parts and labor.
This is definitely one of those "measure seven times, order once" kind of situations...even have someone else do the measuring separately and check vs. your numbers. Mine came out just right, with enough paranoia in my measuring and re-measuring.
cheers, John
On 06/19/2018 12:33 PM, Jason Leckie wrote:
New member here from Point Roberts, WA / Vancouver, BC, I just bought a 1980 Montgomery 17.
I have a curious issue, my standing rigging is too long despite tightening the turnbuckles to the shortest length. I am planning on buying new stays from Dwyer (who apparently makes the Montgomery rig) Are the rig specs posted anywhere? The person who I talked to at Dwyer couldn't find them for the 17.
Cheers, Jason
On Mon, Jun 18, 2018, 9:20 PM Doug, <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
New member here from Bend, OR. just bought a Montgomery 15.
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Thanks for the clarification - my sidestays are like a dangling leash on a well trained dog. I can probably swing them from side to side with very little pressure at least 1 foot in each direction. On Tue, Jun 19, 2018, 2:12 PM Dave Scobie, <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Adding a clarification -
The M17 rig is snug NOT tight like on a Catalina 22.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
On Tue, Jun 19, 2018, 1:55 PM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Jason:
Listen to Jerry on rigging the boat - there is no one better as he, like, created your boat.
As stated already something is off as the question is 'why are they now to long'.
Many try to put to much tension in the rig thinking 'on a Catalina 22...'. The rig needs to be 'snug' (Jerry's word).
I'll not be at Pocket Yacht Palooza this year. Likely be in northern Gulf Islands or even further north if I 'gets a hankering'. May even end up near Vancouver BC later in the summer or fall.
I'm writing this from a buoy at Spencer Spit State Park (San Juan Is).
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
On Tue, Jun 19, 2018, 1:40 PM <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> wrote:
Jason- the 17 will sail far better with about 10 or 12" of rake- the exact amount depends on what kind of shape your main is in.
-----Original Message----- From: Jason Leckie Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 1:26 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bow pulpit. My boat did not come with a bow pulpit. Is there any resource for getting one made or used.
Thanks John, some very helpful information there from someone who has had a somewhat similar situation.
Jason
On Tue, Jun 19, 2018, 1:05 PM John Schinnerer, <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Mine came with a forestay and backstay that didn't allow for any aft rake at all...the mast was vertical at best, maybe even a tiny bit fore-raked unless the backstay was maxed out closed and the forestay was closer than I liked to wide open in the turnbuckles (they were NOT the original stays).
Even if you can find the original specs...on a used boat from 1980 with possible modifications you couldn't know about...you are probably safer measuring for the new stays yourself. You could order a "stock" set and end up with some (or all) not fitting. At the least, measure what you've got and check against any spec you do find for originals.
You can base new rigging on the existing ones that are too long, just factoring in how much shorter each piece needs to be. Make sure to measure that your mast is vertical side to side and adjust if/as necessary for shroud length. And adjust for rake if that needs changes in stay length also.
I tried and tried to find someone in my area that does machine swaging of stainless fittings and cable but couldn't come up with anything (mostly motorboat shops and semi truck fabricators and logging riggers and trailer builders around here). I have had good experience so far with Rigging Only: http://www.riggingandhardware.com/
They have been able to answer all my "I don't know about some of these little rigging bits and pieces" questions clearly and patiently on the phone and/or by e-mail, they provide a quote before you commit to order, and service is quick so far (fitted, swaged and shipped out in a couple days at most). Prices are as good or better than any others I found, for both parts and labor.
This is definitely one of those "measure seven times, order once" kind of situations...even have someone else do the measuring separately and check vs. your numbers. Mine came out just right, with enough paranoia in my measuring and re-measuring.
cheers, John
On 06/19/2018 12:33 PM, Jason Leckie wrote:
New member here from Point Roberts, WA / Vancouver, BC, I just bought a 1980 Montgomery 17.
I have a curious issue, my standing rigging is too long despite tightening the turnbuckles to the shortest length. I am planning on buying new stays from Dwyer (who apparently makes the Montgomery rig) Are the rig specs posted anywhere? The person who I talked to at Dwyer couldn't find them for the 17.
Cheers, Jason
On Mon, Jun 18, 2018, 9:20 PM Doug, <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
New member here from Bend, OR. just bought a Montgomery 15.
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Can anyone define 'snug' vs. 'tight' in a little more detail? Never been on a Catalina 22... :-) thanks, John On 06/19/2018 02:11 PM, Dave Scobie wrote:
Adding a clarification -
The M17 rig is snug NOT tight like on a Catalina 22.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
On Tue, Jun 19, 2018, 1:55 PM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Jason:
Listen to Jerry on rigging the boat - there is no one better as he, like, created your boat.
As stated already something is off as the question is 'why are they now to long'.
Many try to put to much tension in the rig thinking 'on a Catalina 22...'. The rig needs to be 'snug' (Jerry's word).
I'll not be at Pocket Yacht Palooza this year. Likely be in northern Gulf Islands or even further north if I 'gets a hankering'. May even end up near Vancouver BC later in the summer or fall.
I'm writing this from a buoy at Spencer Spit State Park (San Juan Is).
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
On Tue, Jun 19, 2018, 1:40 PM <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> wrote:
Jason- the 17 will sail far better with about 10 or 12" of rake- the exact amount depends on what kind of shape your main is in.
-----Original Message----- From: Jason Leckie Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 1:26 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bow pulpit. My boat did not come with a bow pulpit. Is there any resource for getting one made or used.
Thanks John, some very helpful information there from someone who has had a somewhat similar situation.
Jason
On Tue, Jun 19, 2018, 1:05 PM John Schinnerer, <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Mine came with a forestay and backstay that didn't allow for any aft rake at all...the mast was vertical at best, maybe even a tiny bit fore-raked unless the backstay was maxed out closed and the forestay was closer than I liked to wide open in the turnbuckles (they were NOT the original stays).
Even if you can find the original specs...on a used boat from 1980 with possible modifications you couldn't know about...you are probably safer measuring for the new stays yourself. You could order a "stock" set and end up with some (or all) not fitting. At the least, measure what you've got and check against any spec you do find for originals.
You can base new rigging on the existing ones that are too long, just factoring in how much shorter each piece needs to be. Make sure to measure that your mast is vertical side to side and adjust if/as necessary for shroud length. And adjust for rake if that needs changes in stay length also.
I tried and tried to find someone in my area that does machine swaging of stainless fittings and cable but couldn't come up with anything (mostly motorboat shops and semi truck fabricators and logging riggers and trailer builders around here). I have had good experience so far with Rigging Only: http://www.riggingandhardware.com/
They have been able to answer all my "I don't know about some of these little rigging bits and pieces" questions clearly and patiently on the phone and/or by e-mail, they provide a quote before you commit to order, and service is quick so far (fitted, swaged and shipped out in a couple days at most). Prices are as good or better than any others I found, for both parts and labor.
This is definitely one of those "measure seven times, order once" kind of situations...even have someone else do the measuring separately and check vs. your numbers. Mine came out just right, with enough paranoia in my measuring and re-measuring.
cheers, John
On 06/19/2018 12:33 PM, Jason Leckie wrote:
New member here from Point Roberts, WA / Vancouver, BC, I just bought a 1980 Montgomery 17.
I have a curious issue, my standing rigging is too long despite tightening the turnbuckles to the shortest length. I am planning on buying new stays from Dwyer (who apparently makes the Montgomery rig) Are the rig specs posted anywhere? The person who I talked to at Dwyer couldn't find them for the 17.
Cheers, Jason
On Mon, Jun 18, 2018, 9:20 PM Doug, <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
New member here from Bend, OR. just bought a Montgomery 15.
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Snug, for me, means you can still flex the wires some and they make a 'thud' sound when plucked. A Catalina 22 will make a note when the wire is plucked v a thud and is noticable not very wiggly. When going to weather on an M17 in wind above say 5-8 kts the leward shrouds are loose. At 10-12+ the turnbuckles will clank against each other as the boat works through the seas. Scientific enough? :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com On Thu, Jun 21, 2018, 10:12 AM John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Can anyone define 'snug' vs. 'tight' in a little more detail? Never been on a Catalina 22... :-)
thanks, John
On 06/19/2018 02:11 PM, Dave Scobie wrote:
Adding a clarification -
The M17 rig is snug NOT tight like on a Catalina 22.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
On Tue, Jun 19, 2018, 1:55 PM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Jason:
Listen to Jerry on rigging the boat - there is no one better as he, like, created your boat.
As stated already something is off as the question is 'why are they now to long'.
Many try to put to much tension in the rig thinking 'on a Catalina 22...'. The rig needs to be 'snug' (Jerry's word).
I'll not be at Pocket Yacht Palooza this year. Likely be in northern Gulf Islands or even further north if I 'gets a hankering'. May even end up near Vancouver BC later in the summer or fall.
I'm writing this from a buoy at Spencer Spit State Park (San Juan Is).
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
On Tue, Jun 19, 2018, 1:40 PM <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> wrote:
Jason- the 17 will sail far better with about 10 or 12" of rake- the exact amount depends on what kind of shape your main is in.
-----Original Message----- From: Jason Leckie Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 1:26 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bow pulpit. My boat did not come with a bow pulpit. Is there any resource for getting one made or used.
Thanks John, some very helpful information there from someone who has had a somewhat similar situation.
Jason
On Tue, Jun 19, 2018, 1:05 PM John Schinnerer, <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Mine came with a forestay and backstay that didn't allow for any aft rake at all...the mast was vertical at best, maybe even a tiny bit fore-raked unless the backstay was maxed out closed and the forestay was closer than I liked to wide open in the turnbuckles (they were NOT the original stays).
Even if you can find the original specs...on a used boat from 1980 with possible modifications you couldn't know about...you are probably safer measuring for the new stays yourself. You could order a "stock" set and end up with some (or all) not fitting. At the least, measure what you've got and check against any spec you do find for originals.
You can base new rigging on the existing ones that are too long, just factoring in how much shorter each piece needs to be. Make sure to measure that your mast is vertical side to side and adjust if/as necessary for shroud length. And adjust for rake if that needs changes in stay length also.
I tried and tried to find someone in my area that does machine swaging of stainless fittings and cable but couldn't come up with anything (mostly motorboat shops and semi truck fabricators and logging riggers and trailer builders around here). I have had good experience so far with Rigging Only: http://www.riggingandhardware.com/
They have been able to answer all my "I don't know about some of these little rigging bits and pieces" questions clearly and patiently on the phone and/or by e-mail, they provide a quote before you commit to order, and service is quick so far (fitted, swaged and shipped out in a couple days at most). Prices are as good or better than any others I found, for both parts and labor.
This is definitely one of those "measure seven times, order once" kind of situations...even have someone else do the measuring separately and check vs. your numbers. Mine came out just right, with enough paranoia in my measuring and re-measuring.
cheers, John
On 06/19/2018 12:33 PM, Jason Leckie wrote:
New member here from Point Roberts, WA / Vancouver, BC, I just bought a 1980 Montgomery 17.
I have a curious issue, my standing rigging is too long despite tightening the turnbuckles to the shortest length. I am planning on buying new stays from Dwyer (who apparently makes the Montgomery rig) Are the rig specs posted anywhere? The person who I talked to at Dwyer couldn't find them for the 17.
Cheers, Jason
On Mon, Jun 18, 2018, 9:20 PM Doug, <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
> New member here from Bend, OR. just bought a Montgomery 15. > > Sent from BlueMail >
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Just to get back to everybody who had advice on my loose shroud issue: After spending a little more time with my new (to me) boat and combing through all the bits and pieces that came with the boat I found a block of nylon and a piece of steel of the same shape which was clearly meant as a shim to go under mast. With this installed under the mast all stays are nice and snug. It has an adjustable backstay so I can make some adjustments to that fairly easily once I have been out for a sail and have felt out the weatherhelm. The person I bought the boat from actually never used the boat as he bought it and then his plans changed. As a result I was unable to get those little pointers from the previous owner that could have been helpful. I think at some stage, possibly when the furling jib was installed on the boat they may have measured up the stays and made a bit of an error in their measurements and then put in the block to take up the slack. I will likely replace the stays soon, with the proper length stays but for this season, the block will suffice. Cheers, Jason 1980 M17 Point Roberts, WA/Vancouver, BC On Thu, Jun 21, 2018, 10:47 AM Dave Scobie, <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Snug, for me, means you can still flex the wires some and they make a 'thud' sound when plucked. A Catalina 22 will make a note when the wire is plucked v a thud and is noticable not very wiggly.
When going to weather on an M17 in wind above say 5-8 kts the leward shrouds are loose. At 10-12+ the turnbuckles will clank against each other as the boat works through the seas.
Scientific enough?
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
On Thu, Jun 21, 2018, 10:12 AM John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Can anyone define 'snug' vs. 'tight' in a little more detail? Never been on a Catalina 22... :-)
thanks, John
On 06/19/2018 02:11 PM, Dave Scobie wrote:
Adding a clarification -
The M17 rig is snug NOT tight like on a Catalina 22.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
On Tue, Jun 19, 2018, 1:55 PM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Jason:
Listen to Jerry on rigging the boat - there is no one better as he, like, created your boat.
As stated already something is off as the question is 'why are they now to long'.
Many try to put to much tension in the rig thinking 'on a Catalina 22...'. The rig needs to be 'snug' (Jerry's word).
I'll not be at Pocket Yacht Palooza this year. Likely be in northern Gulf Islands or even further north if I 'gets a hankering'. May even end up near Vancouver BC later in the summer or fall.
I'm writing this from a buoy at Spencer Spit State Park (San Juan Is).
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
On Tue, Jun 19, 2018, 1:40 PM <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> wrote:
Jason- the 17 will sail far better with about 10 or 12" of rake- the exact amount depends on what kind of shape your main is in.
-----Original Message----- From: Jason Leckie Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 1:26 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bow pulpit. My boat did not come with a bow pulpit. Is there any resource for getting one made or used.
Thanks John, some very helpful information there from someone who has had a somewhat similar situation.
Jason
On Tue, Jun 19, 2018, 1:05 PM John Schinnerer, <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Mine came with a forestay and backstay that didn't allow for any aft rake at all...the mast was vertical at best, maybe even a tiny bit fore-raked unless the backstay was maxed out closed and the forestay was closer than I liked to wide open in the turnbuckles (they were NOT the original stays).
Even if you can find the original specs...on a used boat from 1980 with possible modifications you couldn't know about...you are probably safer measuring for the new stays yourself. You could order a "stock" set and end up with some (or all) not fitting. At the least, measure what you've got and check against any spec you do find for originals.
You can base new rigging on the existing ones that are too long, just factoring in how much shorter each piece needs to be. Make sure to measure that your mast is vertical side to side and adjust if/as necessary for shroud length. And adjust for rake if that needs changes in stay length also.
I tried and tried to find someone in my area that does machine swaging of stainless fittings and cable but couldn't come up with anything (mostly motorboat shops and semi truck fabricators and logging riggers and trailer builders around here). I have had good experience so far with Rigging Only: http://www.riggingandhardware.com/
They have been able to answer all my "I don't know about some of these little rigging bits and pieces" questions clearly and patiently on the phone and/or by e-mail, they provide a quote before you commit to order, and service is quick so far (fitted, swaged and shipped out in a couple days at most). Prices are as good or better than any others I found, for both parts and labor.
This is definitely one of those "measure seven times, order once" kind of situations...even have someone else do the measuring separately and check vs. your numbers. Mine came out just right, with enough paranoia in my measuring and re-measuring.
cheers, John
On 06/19/2018 12:33 PM, Jason Leckie wrote: > New member here from Point Roberts, WA / Vancouver, BC, I just bought a > 1980 Montgomery 17. > > I have a curious issue, my standing rigging is too long despite tightening > the turnbuckles to the shortest length. I am planning on buying new > stays > from Dwyer (who apparently makes the Montgomery rig) Are the rig specs > posted anywhere? The person who I talked to at Dwyer couldn't find them for > the 17. > > Cheers, Jason > > On Mon, Jun 18, 2018, 9:20 PM Doug, <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote: > >> New member here from Bend, OR. just bought a Montgomery 15. >> >> Sent from BlueMail >>
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Jason, I recommend that you go to Port Townsend for the Pocket Yacht Palooza in July where there are usually a few M-boat owners with experience to share, and I will ask Dave Scobie to weigh in about it. Take the ferry if you do not want so sail the distance. Steve M-15 # 335 -----Original Message----- From: Jason Leckie Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 12:33 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bow pulpit. My boat did not come with a bow pulpit. Is there any resource for getting one made or used. New member here from Point Roberts, WA / Vancouver, BC, I just bought a 1980 Montgomery 17. I have a curious issue, my standing rigging is too long despite tightening the turnbuckles to the shortest length. I am planning on buying new stays from Dwyer (who apparently makes the Montgomery rig) Are the rig specs posted anywhere? The person who I talked to at Dwyer couldn't find them for the 17. Cheers, Jason On Mon, Jun 18, 2018, 9:20 PM Doug, <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
New member here from Bend, OR. just bought a Montgomery 15.
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Sounds good. I went to the Wooden Boat School there many years ago, it's time I went back! On Tue, Jun 19, 2018, 1:47 PM Steve Trapp, <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
Jason, I recommend that you go to Port Townsend for the Pocket Yacht Palooza in July where there are usually a few M-boat owners with experience to share, and I will ask Dave Scobie to weigh in about it. Take the ferry if you do not want so sail the distance. Steve M-15 # 335
-----Original Message----- From: Jason Leckie Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 12:33 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bow pulpit. My boat did not come with a bow pulpit. Is there any resource for getting one made or used.
New member here from Point Roberts, WA / Vancouver, BC, I just bought a 1980 Montgomery 17.
I have a curious issue, my standing rigging is too long despite tightening the turnbuckles to the shortest length. I am planning on buying new stays from Dwyer (who apparently makes the Montgomery rig) Are the rig specs posted anywhere? The person who I talked to at Dwyer couldn't find them for the 17.
Cheers, Jason
On Mon, Jun 18, 2018, 9:20 PM Doug, <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
New member here from Bend, OR. just bought a Montgomery 15.
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