Hi all, Please enlighten me, why would you want or need to scull your sail boat? Also, has anyone tried the rope type ladders with wooden steps which fold up and can be stored rather that permanently fixed. What are your thoughts and opinions on them. ===== Time for a cool change! Sandra __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
Sandra, Some folks run out of gas after they've run out of wind after they've sailed far from home - so they scull. I've paddled and keep two paddles in my boat at all times (one for me and one for any guest on board). There was a time when I was too proud to mount a motor on my boat but paddling for a few hours at sunset on an outgoing tide in the Chesapeake Bay cured me of that vanity. I've got a rope ladder (with plastic steps) on board for emergencies but have found it to be very unsatisfactory for general use - one really needs a firm surface against which to press when climbing out of water. I've not found any way to keep the ladder from swinging under the hull when I put weight on it. That results in your attempting to not only climb out of the water but doing it while literally lying on your back. It works fairly well tied to the chainplate when the person onboard tips the boat while the person in the water mounts as far as they can up onto but doesn't try to climb the ladder. Then the onboard person tips the boat to the other side lifting the swimmer out of the water and occasionally into a posture more suitable for climbing the last step or two onto the boat. I guess it is like a man overboard recovery sling but requires a fairly agile man overboard. I've tired climbing it circus fashion (one foot in front and the other from the back climbing the side of the ladder). The results were hilarious but not terribly successful as far as getting out of the water and into the boat. But I still love the high freeboard of the Montgomery Stan M-15, #177, Carol II
Another review on ladders: http://www.practical-sailor.com/pub/28_23/features/4757-1.html I decided to have a means to paddle or scull the boat after an incident a few years ago. We had sailed up to an inlet, with the Marina and town about a mile inside, but up a narrow passage. We dropped sails, but a short had drained the battery, so the diesel engine wouldn't start. And since the battery was dead, the radio didn't work. Neither did the handheld...who's batteries were also dead. Two hours before dark and the Marina was closed for the day anyway. No tow was coming. But since the wind was still blowing, I talked the skipper into sailing in. We short tacked (50 to 100 yard tacks with a 32 footer) up the inlet and sailed right up to the dock. Threw the dock lines to some bystanders, backwinded the main and held on until she stopped. Kinda fun, actually. But that was only possible because the wind was still blowing. Not sure where I first heard it, but the rule I follow when safety is needed is to have 3 of anything. Like when inside a cave, 3 different sources of light...the last being a candle and waterproof matches. Something you know will work. Or 3 anchors. Or in this case, 3 forms of propulsion. Wind, motor, and if those don't work, an oar. Sculling is used because it only takes one oar, which is stored in the bottom of the boat, out of the way. But it does work. Howard M17, #278 On 1/29/03 9:36 PM, "Seawitch" <seawitchlj@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi all, Please enlighten me, why would you want or need to scull your sail boat? Also, has anyone tried the rope type ladders with wooden steps which fold up and can be stored rather that permanently fixed. What are your thoughts and opinions on them.
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#1: Same scenario: A few miles from Port Washington, Wisconsin, because of a drained battery, diesel wouldn't start after a sail across Lake Michigan from Muskegon, Michigan. Tried to hand-crank the diesel, to no avail. No wind. Thankfully, no immediate danger. After drifting for 9 or so hours, we were blessed with a whisp of a breeze, just enough to, 3 hours later, tack into a marina, to the frustration of several fishing boaters heading out at first light. Helps to have someone on the bow shouting, "Make way! No engine!" #2: In the Monty, becalmed after a daysail, fully-charged deep-cycle battery nevertheless didn't have enough juice for the Minn Kota to take us home. Crew paddled the last several yards using hatch boards from below. Both situations would have been perfect for sculling oars. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Howard Audsley" <haudsley@tranquility.net> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 7:57 AM Subject: Boarding Ladders & sculling Another review on ladders: http://www.practical-sailor.com/pub/28_23/features/4757-1.html I decided to have a means to paddle or scull the boat after an incident a few years ago. We had sailed up to an inlet, with the Marina and town about a mile inside, but up a narrow passage. We dropped sails, but a short had drained the battery, so the diesel engine wouldn't start. And since the battery was dead, the radio didn't work. Neither did the handheld...who's batteries were also dead. Two hours before dark and the Marina was closed for the day anyway. No tow was coming. But since the wind was still blowing, I talked the skipper into sailing in. We short tacked (50 to 100 yard tacks with a 32 footer) up the inlet and sailed right up to the dock. Threw the dock lines to some bystanders, backwinded the main and held on until she stopped. Kinda fun, actually. But that was only possible because the wind was still blowing. Not sure where I first heard it, but the rule I follow when safety is needed is to have 3 of anything. Like when inside a cave, 3 different sources of light...the last being a candle and waterproof matches. Something you know will work. Or 3 anchors. Or in this case, 3 forms of propulsion. Wind, motor, and if those don't work, an oar. Sculling is used because it only takes one oar, which is stored in the bottom of the boat, out of the way. But it does work. Howard M17, #278 On 1/29/03 9:36 PM, "Seawitch" <seawitchlj@yahoo.com> wrote: Hi all, Please enlighten me, why would you want or need to scull your sail boat? Also, has anyone tried the rope type ladders with wooden steps which fold up and can be stored rather that permanently fixed. What are your thoughts and opinions on them. ===== Time for a cool change! Sandra
Sandra, The main reason for a permanently mounted ladder is safety. It's always there when you need it, accessible from the water after you fall off the boat. Well, not you. After I fall off the boat. Anyway, my rope ladder would still be in the bilge somewhere. Bill Riker M-15 #184 Storm Petrel -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-admin@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-admin@mailman.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Seawitch Sent: January 29, 2003 10:37 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Boarding Ladders & sculling Hi all, Please enlighten me, why would you want or need to scull your sail boat? Also, has anyone tried the rope type ladders with wooden steps which fold up and can be stored rather that permanently fixed. What are your thoughts and opinions on them. ===== Time for a cool change! Sandra __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
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