Thanks for all your feedback and as Jerry so eloquently put it I am a freak when it comes to sail shape and upwind performance. I do not doubt that Stan's sails still have use full life but it would really bother me to have a sail that does not do well upwind, coming from a beach cat background where we all raced every other weekend and having raced with Randy Smyth sails, I for one can really appreciate what sail makers do (You Hear That Judy B J )so I was planning on giving the old sails a trial but when the fall winds hit the Chesapeake Bay I want to make sure that my Monty 15 boggies upwind like a banshee. When I bought my old 1989 Precision 21 with its bagged out sails we switched to a full set of Ullman sails and man talk about a difference upwind in a blow and not having to dump the main, it was nice to point her up and make ground. Thanks and very soon Cat's Paw will be here, can't wait. Smiley and Karen Another Wrinkle, M 15 sail 616 magoo252@comcast.net