Hello All,Unfortunately at 1600 today while sailing alone in blustery wind on the Ottawa River with a reefed jib and full main I learned the answer to a question many of us have asked ourselves.” If knocked down, will the M 15 continue heeling and finally turn turtle?” The answer “yes”. In my case when the gust hit there was no time to steer off, cast off sheets or to take any other remedial action.I was in the water . Possibly had the drop boards been in place the disaster might have been lessened, but I do not know.Any way over I went with both sails set. Fortunately fellow boaters arrived within half an hour and two of us righted the boat as one would a dinghy,bailed a little and got towed back to our club. Drying out will take a while and the teasing will take even longer to fade. This 84 year old has come safely through a nasty experience and henceforth will at least keep the drop boards in place when sailing in gusty weather. A word to the wise.Cheers . RTH.
Interesting. I've never heard of an M15 going and staying turtle. Word to the wise I guess... tom On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 4:16 PM, Robert Hall <bert.hall@bell.net> wrote:
Hello All,Unfortunately at 1600 today while sailing alone in blustery wind on the Ottawa River with a reefed jib and full main I learned the answer to a question many of us have asked ourselves.” If knocked down, will the M 15 continue heeling and finally turn turtle?” The answer “yes”. In my case when the gust hit there was no time to steer off, cast off sheets or to take any other remedial action.I was in the water . Possibly had the drop boards been in place the disaster might have been lessened, but I do not know.Any way over I went with both sails set. Fortunately fellow boaters arrived within half an hour and two of us righted the boat as one would a dinghy,bailed a little and got towed back to our club. Drying out will take a while and the teasing will take even longer to fade. This 84 year old has come safely through a nasty experience and henceforth will at least keep the drop boards in place when sailing in gusty weather. A word to the wise.Cheers . RTH.
With the mast intact, sails up there is more than enough resistance from the water on the sails to keep any small boat from righting herself. If the mast is stuck in the mud it will make even harder to right her.
From: openboatt@gmail.com Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2015 17:11:58 -0700 To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Turning Turtle
Interesting. I've never heard of an M15 going and staying turtle. Word to the wise I guess... tom
On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 4:16 PM, Robert Hall <bert.hall@bell.net> wrote:
Hello All,Unfortunately at 1600 today while sailing alone in blustery wind on the Ottawa River with a reefed jib and full main I learned the answer to a question many of us have asked ourselves.” If knocked down, will the M 15 continue heeling and finally turn turtle?” The answer “yes”. In my case when the gust hit there was no time to steer off, cast off sheets or to take any other remedial action.I was in the water . Possibly had the drop boards been in place the disaster might have been lessened, but I do not know.Any way over I went with both sails set. Fortunately fellow boaters arrived within half an hour and two of us righted the boat as one would a dinghy,bailed a little and got towed back to our club. Drying out will take a while and the teasing will take even longer to fade. This 84 year old has come safely through a nasty experience and henceforth will at least keep the drop boards in place when sailing in gusty weather. A word to the wise.Cheers . RTH.
I was thinking more in terms of a 110 degree knock-down where the boat just keeps going… Jim M-17 “Spirit” On Jun 24, 2015, at 5:44 PM, Cliff Vaughan <cliff.vaughan@live.com> wrote:
With the mast intact, sails up there is more than enough resistance from the water on the sails to keep any small boat from righting herself. If the mast is stuck in the mud it will make even harder to right her.
From: openboatt@gmail.com Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2015 17:11:58 -0700 To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Turning Turtle
Interesting. I've never heard of an M15 going and staying turtle. Word to the wise I guess... tom
On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 4:16 PM, Robert Hall <bert.hall@bell.net> wrote:
Hello All,Unfortunately at 1600 today while sailing alone in blustery wind on the Ottawa River with a reefed jib and full main I learned the answer to a question many of us have asked ourselves.” If knocked down, will the M 15 continue heeling and finally turn turtle?” The answer “yes”. In my case when the gust hit there was no time to steer off, cast off sheets or to take any other remedial action.I was in the water . Possibly had the drop boards been in place the disaster might have been lessened, but I do not know.Any way over I went with both sails set. Fortunately fellow boaters arrived within half an hour and two of us righted the boat as one would a dinghy,bailed a little and got towed back to our club. Drying out will take a while and the teasing will take even longer to fade. This 84 year old has come safely through a nasty experience and henceforth will at least keep the drop boards in place when sailing in gusty weather. A word to the wise.Cheers . RTH.
Well from my experience with beach cats it's the sailor landing in the middle of the sail that pushes it past the point of no return, but we were not there to watch it happen. Until he gives more details of what happen, just keep your hand on that main sheet.
From: picfo@comcast.net Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2015 17:52:03 -0700 To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Turning Turtle
I was thinking more in terms of a 110 degree knock-down where the boat just keeps going…
Jim M-17 “Spirit”
On Jun 24, 2015, at 5:44 PM, Cliff Vaughan <cliff.vaughan@live.com> wrote:
With the mast intact, sails up there is more than enough resistance from the water on the sails to keep any small boat from righting herself. If the mast is stuck in the mud it will make even harder to right her.
From: openboatt@gmail.com Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2015 17:11:58 -0700 To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Turning Turtle
Interesting. I've never heard of an M15 going and staying turtle. Word to the wise I guess... tom
On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 4:16 PM, Robert Hall <bert.hall@bell.net> wrote:
Hello All,Unfortunately at 1600 today while sailing alone in blustery wind on the Ottawa River with a reefed jib and full main I learned the answer to a question many of us have asked ourselves.” If knocked down, will the M 15 continue heeling and finally turn turtle?” The answer “yes”. In my case when the gust hit there was no time to steer off, cast off sheets or to take any other remedial action.I was in the water . Possibly had the drop boards been in place the disaster might have been lessened, but I do not know.Any way over I went with both sails set. Fortunately fellow boaters arrived within half an hour and two of us righted the boat as one would a dinghy,bailed a little and got towed back to our club. Drying out will take a while and the teasing will take even longer to fade. This 84 year old has come safely through a nasty experience and henceforth will at least keep the drop boards in place when sailing in gusty weather. A word to the wise.Cheers . RTH.
I cannot imagine an M15 going turtle and staying that way if the sailor has had the presence of mind to let go the tiller and release the main sheet. I've been knocked down in both a 15 and 17, shipping many gallons of water over the combing, yet both boats righted themselves immediately, with me clinging wide-eyed to the opposite combing... Sailing M boats for 20 years, this is the first time I've heard of an M15 going over and staying that way. I'm sure this sailor is telling it like it is, but geez, this has to be one in a million. tom On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 6:06 PM, Cliff Vaughan <cliff.vaughan@live.com> wrote:
Well from my experience with beach cats it's the sailor landing in the middle of the sail that pushes it past the point of no return, but we were not there to watch it happen. Until he gives more details of what happen, just keep your hand on that main sheet.
From: picfo@comcast.net Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2015 17:52:03 -0700 To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Turning Turtle
I was thinking more in terms of a 110 degree knock-down where the boat just keeps going…
Jim M-17 “Spirit”
On Jun 24, 2015, at 5:44 PM, Cliff Vaughan <cliff.vaughan@live.com> wrote:
With the mast intact, sails up there is more than enough resistance from the water on the sails to keep any small boat from righting herself. If the mast is stuck in the mud it will make even harder to right her.
From: openboatt@gmail.com Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2015 17:11:58 -0700 To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Turning Turtle
Interesting. I've never heard of an M15 going and staying turtle. Word to the wise I guess... tom
On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 4:16 PM, Robert Hall <bert.hall@bell.net> wrote:
Hello All,Unfortunately at 1600 today while sailing alone in blustery wind on the Ottawa River with a reefed jib and full main I learned the answer to a question many of us have asked ourselves.” If knocked down, will the M 15 continue heeling and finally turn turtle?” The answer “yes”. In my case when the gust hit there was no time to steer off, cast off sheets or to take any other remedial action.I was in the water . Possibly had the drop boards been in place the disaster might have been lessened, but I do not know.Any way over I went with both sails set. Fortunately fellow boaters arrived within half an hour and two of us righted the boat as one would a dinghy,bailed a little and got towed back to our club. Drying out will take a while and the teasing will take even longer to fade. This 84 year old has come safely through a nasty experience and henceforth will at least keep the drop boards in place when sailing in gusty weather. A word to the wise.Cheers . RTH.
Hello All, Thank you all for your comments, questions and good wishes.I was able to let go of the tiller, but not able to free the sheets as things happened so suddenly and forcefully. I did not fall onto the sail as it was well below the water by the time I freed my feet and swam,yes in a life jacket, to the stern. By that time the boat was completely upside down.Using the OB bracket I managed to boost myself onto the hull and lay alongside the keel to get my breath. Of course the drop keel had retracted into the shoal keel and stayed there till the boat was righted. Strangely while completely turtled the boat was quite level and stable in the water, probably because the sails were acting as a kind of keel. A passing boater stopped to help and I sent him to get members from my club. When the rescuers arrived I stayed on the hull and had these helpers tow me to deeper water and turn the bow of the M-15 towards the direction from which the wind was still blowing hard.One of the rescuers then joined me in the water and we righted the boat in two tries as one would a dinghy.Once right way up we got the sails down, furled in the case of the jib. By this time[one half hour after the incident] cold had set in and I got into a nearby cruiser to get warm and dry..Two people with buckets got some of the water out and my boat was towed to my club where members did a fantastic clean up and bail out job.Fortunately the water was sufficiently deep that even as I drifted awaiting rescue there was no damage to the mast or other standing rigging.That is as full an explanation as I can give,but you may be sure that my memory reflects what happened and I neither need nor want a photographic record. It is 0215 hours and I feel lucky to be able to write this account. -----Original Message----- From: Tom Smith Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 9:53 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Turning Turtle I cannot imagine an M15 going turtle and staying that way if the sailor has had the presence of mind to let go the tiller and release the main sheet. I've been knocked down in both a 15 and 17, shipping many gallons of water over the combing, yet both boats righted themselves immediately, with me clinging wide-eyed to the opposite combing... Sailing M boats for 20 years, this is the first time I've heard of an M15 going over and staying that way. I'm sure this sailor is telling it like it is, but geez, this has to be one in a million. tom On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 6:06 PM, Cliff Vaughan <cliff.vaughan@live.com> wrote:
Well from my experience with beach cats it's the sailor landing in the middle of the sail that pushes it past the point of no return, but we were not there to watch it happen. Until he gives more details of what happen, just keep your hand on that main sheet.
From: picfo@comcast.net Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2015 17:52:03 -0700 To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Turning Turtle
I was thinking more in terms of a 110 degree knock-down where the boat just keeps going…
Jim M-17 “Spirit”
On Jun 24, 2015, at 5:44 PM, Cliff Vaughan <cliff.vaughan@live.com> wrote:
With the mast intact, sails up there is more than enough resistance from the water on the sails to keep any small boat from righting herself. If the mast is stuck in the mud it will make even harder to right her.
From: openboatt@gmail.com Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2015 17:11:58 -0700 To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Turning Turtle
Interesting. I've never heard of an M15 going and staying turtle. Word to the wise I guess... tom
On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 4:16 PM, Robert Hall <bert.hall@bell.net> wrote:
Hello All,Unfortunately at 1600 today while sailing alone in blustery wind on the Ottawa River with a reefed jib and full main I learned the answer to a question many of us have asked ourselves.” If knocked down, will the M 15 continue heeling and finally turn turtle?” The answer “yes”. In my case when the gust hit there was no time to steer off, cast off sheets or to take any other remedial action.I was in the water . Possibly had the drop boards been in place the disaster might have been lessened, but I do not know.Any way over I went with both sails set. Fortunately fellow boaters arrived within half an hour and two of us righted the boat as one would a dinghy,bailed a little and got towed back to our club. Drying out will take a while and the teasing will take even longer to fade. This 84 year old has come safely through a nasty experience and henceforth will at least keep the drop boards in place when sailing in gusty weather. A word to the wise.Cheers . RTH.
WOW! Thanks for the update. Excellent description. What an awful experience. I’m glad it all turned out well despite the disaster. You must have been totally shocked at how quickly your day went upside down so to speak. Just goes to show that despite our best efforts, anytime one is on the water there is danger. My goodness. Daniel
On Jun 24, 2015, at 11:22 PM, Robert Hall <bert.hall@bell.net> wrote:
Hello All, Thank you all for your comments, questions and good wishes.I was able to let go of the tiller, but not able to free the sheets as things happened so suddenly and forcefully. I did not fall onto the sail as it was well below the water by the time I freed my feet and swam,yes in a life jacket, to the stern. By that time the boat was completely upside down.Using the OB bracket I managed to boost myself onto the hull and lay alongside the keel to get my breath. Of course the drop keel had retracted into the shoal keel and stayed there till the boat was righted. Strangely while completely turtled the boat was quite level and stable in the water, probably because the sails were acting as a kind of keel. A passing boater stopped to help and I sent him to get members from my club. When the rescuers arrived I stayed on the hull and had these helpers tow me to deeper water and turn the bow of the M-15 towards the direction from which the wind was still blowing hard.One of the rescuers then joined me in the water and we righted the boat in two tries as one would a dinghy.Once right way up we got the sails down, furled in the case of the jib. By this time[one half hour after the incident] cold had set in and I got into a nearby cruiser to get warm and dry..Two people with buckets got some of the water out and my boat was towed to my club where members did a fantastic clean up and bail out job.Fortunately the water was sufficiently deep that even as I drifted awaiting rescue there was no damage to the mast or other standing rigging.That is as full an explanation as I can give,but you may be sure that my memory reflects what happened and I neither need nor want a photographic record. It is 0215 hours and I feel lucky to be able to write this account. -----Original Message----- From: Tom Smith Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 9:53 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Turning Turtle
I cannot imagine an M15 going turtle and staying that way if the sailor has had the presence of mind to let go the tiller and release the main sheet. I've been knocked down in both a 15 and 17, shipping many gallons of water over the combing, yet both boats righted themselves immediately, with me clinging wide-eyed to the opposite combing...
Sailing M boats for 20 years, this is the first time I've heard of an M15 going over and staying that way. I'm sure this sailor is telling it like it is, but geez, this has to be one in a million. tom
On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 6:06 PM, Cliff Vaughan <cliff.vaughan@live.com> wrote:
Well from my experience with beach cats it's the sailor landing in the middle of the sail that pushes it past the point of no return, but we were not there to watch it happen. Until he gives more details of what happen, just keep your hand on that main sheet.
From: picfo@comcast.net Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2015 17:52:03 -0700 To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Turning Turtle
I was thinking more in terms of a 110 degree knock-down where the boat just keeps going…
Jim M-17 “Spirit”
On Jun 24, 2015, at 5:44 PM, Cliff Vaughan <cliff.vaughan@live.com> wrote:
With the mast intact, sails up there is more than enough resistance from the water on the sails to keep any small boat from righting herself. If the mast is stuck in the mud it will make even harder to right her.
From: openboatt@gmail.com Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2015 17:11:58 -0700 To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Turning Turtle
Interesting. I've never heard of an M15 going and staying turtle. Word to the wise I guess... tom
On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 4:16 PM, Robert Hall <bert.hall@bell.net> wrote:
Hello All,Unfortunately at 1600 today while sailing alone in blustery wind on the Ottawa River with a reefed jib and full main I learned the answer to a question many of us have asked ourselves.” If knocked down, will the M 15 continue heeling and finally turn turtle?” The answer “yes”. In my case when the gust hit there was no time to steer off, cast > >>> off sheets or to take any other remedial action.I was in the water . Possibly had the drop boards been in place the disaster might have been lessened, but I do not know.Any way over I went with both sails set. Fortunately fellow boaters arrived within half an hour and two of us righted the boat as one would a dinghy,bailed a little and got towed back to our > >>> club. Drying out will take a while and the teasing will take even longer to fade. This 84 year old has come safely through a nasty experience and henceforth will at least keep the drop boards in place when sailing in gusty weather. A word to the wise.Cheers . RTH.
Thank you Mr. Hall for you beautifully captured account of a harrowing experience I hope to only read about. So glad all turned out well with many cool heads (including you's) and helpful hands on deck prevailing. Sincerely, Martha Ekwurtzel M-15 'knot head' Lake Koshkonong, WI Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 25, 2015, at 1:22 AM, Robert Hall <bert.hall@bell.net> wrote:
Hello All, Thank you all for your comments, questions and good wishes.I was able to let go of the tiller, but not able to free the sheets as things happened so suddenly and forcefully. I did not fall onto the sail as it was well below the water by the time I freed my feet and swam,yes in a life jacket, to the stern. By that time the boat was completely upside down.Using the OB bracket I managed to boost myself onto the hull and lay alongside the keel to get my breath. Of course the drop keel had retracted into the shoal keel and stayed there till the boat was righted. Strangely while completely turtled the boat was quite level and stable in the water, probably because the sails were acting as a kind of keel. A passing boater stopped to help and I sent him to get members from my club. When the rescuers arrived I stayed on the hull and had these helpers tow me to deeper water and turn the bow of the M-15 towards the direction from which the wind was still blowing hard.One of the rescuers then joined me in the water and we righted the boat in two tries as one would a dinghy.Once right way up we got the sails down, furled in the case of the jib. By this time[one half hour after the incident] cold had set in and I got into a nearby cruiser to get warm and dry..Two people with buckets got some of the water out and my boat was towed to my club where members did a fantastic clean up and bail out job.Fortunately the water was sufficiently deep that even as I drifted awaiting rescue there was no damage to the mast or other standing rigging.That is as full an explanation as I can give,but you may be sure that my memory reflects what happened and I neither need nor want a photographic record. It is 0215 hours and I feel lucky to be able to write this account. -----Original Message----- From: Tom Smith Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 9:53 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Turning Turtle
I cannot imagine an M15 going turtle and staying that way if the sailor has had the presence of mind to let go the tiller and release the main sheet. I've been knocked down in both a 15 and 17, shipping many gallons of water over the combing, yet both boats righted themselves immediately, with me clinging wide-eyed to the opposite combing...
Sailing M boats for 20 years, this is the first time I've heard of an M15 going over and staying that way. I'm sure this sailor is telling it like it is, but geez, this has to be one in a million. tom
On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 6:06 PM, Cliff Vaughan <cliff.vaughan@live.com> wrote:
Well from my experience with beach cats it's the sailor landing in the middle of the sail that pushes it past the point of no return, but we were not there to watch it happen. Until he gives more details of what happen, just keep your hand on that main sheet.
From: picfo@comcast.net Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2015 17:52:03 -0700 To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Turning Turtle
I was thinking more in terms of a 110 degree knock-down where the boat just keeps going…
Jim M-17 “Spirit”
On Jun 24, 2015, at 5:44 PM, Cliff Vaughan <cliff.vaughan@live.com> wrote:
With the mast intact, sails up there is more than enough resistance from the water on the sails to keep any small boat from righting herself. If the mast is stuck in the mud it will make even harder to right her.
From: openboatt@gmail.com Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2015 17:11:58 -0700 To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Turning Turtle
Interesting. I've never heard of an M15 going and staying turtle. Word to the wise I guess... tom
On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 4:16 PM, Robert Hall <bert.hall@bell.net> wrote:
Hello All,Unfortunately at 1600 today while sailing alone in blustery wind on the Ottawa River with a reefed jib and full main I learned the answer to a question many of us have asked ourselves.” If knocked down, will the M 15 continue heeling and finally turn turtle?” The answer “yes”. In my case when the gust hit there was no time to steer off, cast > >>> off sheets or to take any other remedial action.I was in the water . Possibly had the drop boards been in place the disaster might have been lessened, but I do not know.Any way over I went with both sails set. Fortunately fellow boaters arrived within half an hour and two of us righted the boat as one would a dinghy,bailed a little and got towed back to our > >>> club. Drying out will take a while and the teasing will take even longer to fade. This 84 year old has come safely through a nasty experience and henceforth will at least keep the drop boards in place when sailing in gusty weather. A word to the wise.Cheers . RTH.
Ditto, and I’ve been reading this board for 17 years. Storm Petrel was over more than 90 degrees once, with a cockpit full of water over the combing virtually none in the cabin. Bill Riker M15 - #184 Storm Petrel
On Jun 24, 2015, at 7:53 PM, Tom Smith <openboatt@gmail.com> wrote:
I cannot imagine an M15 going turtle and staying that way if the sailor has had the presence of mind to let go the tiller and release the main sheet. I've been knocked down in both a 15 and 17, shipping many gallons of water over the combing, yet both boats righted themselves immediately, with me clinging wide-eyed to the opposite combing...
Sailing M boats for 20 years, this is the first time I've heard of an M15 going over and staying that way. I'm sure this sailor is telling it like it is, but geez, this has to be one in a million. tom
On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 6:06 PM, Cliff Vaughan <cliff.vaughan@live.com> wrote:
Well from my experience with beach cats it's the sailor landing in the middle of the sail that pushes it past the point of no return, but we were not there to watch it happen. Until he gives more details of what happen, just keep your hand on that main sheet.
From: picfo@comcast.net Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2015 17:52:03 -0700 To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Turning Turtle
I was thinking more in terms of a 110 degree knock-down where the boat just keeps going…
Jim M-17 “Spirit”
On Jun 24, 2015, at 5:44 PM, Cliff Vaughan <cliff.vaughan@live.com> wrote:
With the mast intact, sails up there is more than enough resistance from the water on the sails to keep any small boat from righting herself. If the mast is stuck in the mud it will make even harder to right her.
From: openboatt@gmail.com Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2015 17:11:58 -0700 To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Turning Turtle
Interesting. I've never heard of an M15 going and staying turtle. Word to the wise I guess... tom
On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 4:16 PM, Robert Hall <bert.hall@bell.net> wrote:
Hello All,Unfortunately at 1600 today while sailing alone in blustery wind on the Ottawa River with a reefed jib and full main I learned the answer to a question many of us have asked ourselves.” If knocked down, will the M 15 continue heeling and finally turn turtle?” The answer “yes”. In my case when the gust hit there was no time to steer off, cast off sheets or to take any other remedial action.I was in the water . Possibly had the drop boards been in place the disaster might have been lessened, but I do not know.Any way over I went with both sails set. Fortunately fellow boaters arrived within half an hour and two of us righted the boat as one would a dinghy,bailed a little and got towed back to our club. Drying out will take a while and the teasing will take even longer to fade. This 84 year old has come safely through a nasty experience and henceforth will at least keep the drop boards in place when sailing in gusty weather. A word to the wise.Cheers . RTH.
Glad to hear you, and the boat as well, came out of it OK! I guess the water there is fairly warm this time of year? :-) cheers, John S. On 06/24/2015 05:44 PM, Cliff Vaughan wrote:
With the mast intact, sails up there is more than enough resistance from the water on the sails to keep any small boat from righting herself. If the mast is stuck in the mud it will make even harder to right her.
From: openboatt@gmail.com Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2015 17:11:58 -0700 To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Turning Turtle
Interesting. I've never heard of an M15 going and staying turtle. Word to the wise I guess... tom
On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 4:16 PM, Robert Hall <bert.hall@bell.net> wrote:
Hello All,Unfortunately at 1600 today while sailing alone in blustery wind on the Ottawa River with a reefed jib and full main I learned the answer to a question many of us have asked ourselves.” If knocked down, will the M 15 continue heeling and finally turn turtle?” The answer “yes”. In my case when the gust hit there was no time to steer off, cast off sheets or to take any other remedial action.I was in the water . Possibly had the drop boards been in place the disaster might have been lessened, but I do not know.Any way over I went with both sails set. Fortunately fellow boaters arrived within half an hour and two of us righted the boat as one would a dinghy,bailed a little and got towed back to our club. Drying out will take a while and the teasing will take even longer to fade. This 84 year old has come safely through a nasty experience and henceforth will at least keep the drop boards in place when sailing in gusty weather. A word to the wise.Cheers . RTH.
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Has anyone ever heard of that happening with an m17. On Jun 24, 2015, at 4:16 PM, Robert Hall <bert.hall@bell.net> wrote:
Hello All,Unfortunately at 1600 today while sailing alone in blustery wind on the Ottawa River with a reefed jib and full main I learned the answer to a question many of us have asked ourselves.” If knocked down, will the M 15 continue heeling and finally turn turtle?” The answer “yes”. In my case when the gust hit there was no time to steer off, cast off sheets or to take any other remedial action.I was in the water . Possibly had the drop boards been in place the disaster might have been lessened, but I do not know.Any way over I went with both sails set. Fortunately fellow boaters arrived within half an hour and two of us righted the boat as one would a dinghy,bailed a little and got towed back to our club. Drying out will take a while and the teasing will take even longer to fade. This 84 year old has come safely through a nasty experience and henceforth will at least keep the drop boards in place when sailing in gusty weather. A word to the wise.Cheers . RTH.
Pictures or it didn't happen. ;-) So you're saying the Mast was pointing straight down.? The boat was bottom up level? Did you fall onto the sail ? Any boat can be knocked down in high winds, but when the sails lay flat and dumps the wind, the ballast (40%) should right the boat. It was turtled for 1/2 hour? Yeah.......... :-) Sent from my iPad
On Jun 24, 2015, at 4:16 PM, Robert Hall <bert.hall@bell.net> wrote:
Hello All,Unfortunately at 1600 today while sailing alone in blustery wind on the Ottawa River with a reefed jib and full main I learned the answer to a question many of us have asked ourselves.” If knocked down, will the M 15 continue heeling and finally turn turtle?” The answer “yes”. In my case when the gust hit there was no time to steer off, cast off sheets or to take any other remedial action.I was in the water . Possibly had the drop boards been in place the disaster might have been lessened, but I do not know.Any way over I went with both sails set. Fortunately fellow boaters arrived within half an hour and two of us righted the boat as one would a dinghy,bailed a little and got towed back to our club. Drying out will take a while and the teasing will take even longer to fade. This 84 year old has come safely through a nasty experience and henceforth will at least keep the drop boards in place when sailing in gusty weather. A word to the wise.Cheers . RTH.
The description sounds more like a capsize and not a “turtle”. Perhaps the original poster can clarify. Any boat can be knocked down, and with the boards out water can enter the cockpit. Despite this a Monty should right without much difficulty from the ballast even with water aboard. Turtle implies mast down below the boat and the boat completely upside down. That would really be a surprise here. Daniel M15 #208
On Jun 24, 2015, at 8:51 PM, Bob Eeg <montgomeryboats@hotmail.com> wrote:
Pictures or it didn't happen. ;-)
So you're saying the Mast was pointing straight down.? The boat was bottom up level?
Did you fall onto the sail ?
Any boat can be knocked down in high winds, but when the sails lay flat and dumps the wind, the ballast (40%) should right the boat.
It was turtled for 1/2 hour? Yeah..........
:-)
Sent from my iPad
On Jun 24, 2015, at 4:16 PM, Robert Hall <bert.hall@bell.net> wrote:
Hello All,Unfortunately at 1600 today while sailing alone in blustery wind on the Ottawa River with a reefed jib and full main I learned the answer to a question many of us have asked ourselves.” If knocked down, will the M 15 continue heeling and finally turn turtle?” The answer “yes”. In my case when the gust hit there was no time to steer off, cast off sheets or to take any other remedial action.I was in the water . Possibly had the drop boards been in place the disaster might have been lessened, but I do not know.Any way over I went with both sails set. Fortunately fellow boaters arrived within half an hour and two of us righted the boat as one would a dinghy,bailed a little and got towed back to our club. Drying out will take a while and the teasing will take even longer to fade. This 84 year old has come safely through a nasty experience and henceforth will at least keep the drop boards in place when sailing in gusty weather. A word to the wise.Cheers . RTH.
Is this his first post to the group? Hmmm.. Sent from my iPad
On Jun 24, 2015, at 8:56 PM, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
The description sounds more like a capsize and not a “turtle”. Perhaps the original poster can clarify. Any boat can be knocked down, and with the boards out water can enter the cockpit. Despite this a Monty should right without much difficulty from the ballast even with water aboard. Turtle implies mast down below the boat and the boat completely upside down. That would really be a surprise here.
Daniel M15 #208
On Jun 24, 2015, at 8:51 PM, Bob Eeg <montgomeryboats@hotmail.com> wrote:
Pictures or it didn't happen. ;-)
So you're saying the Mast was pointing straight down.? The boat was bottom up level?
Did you fall onto the sail ?
Any boat can be knocked down in high winds, but when the sails lay flat and dumps the wind, the ballast (40%) should right the boat.
It was turtled for 1/2 hour? Yeah..........
:-)
Sent from my iPad
On Jun 24, 2015, at 4:16 PM, Robert Hall <bert.hall@bell.net> wrote:
Hello All,Unfortunately at 1600 today while sailing alone in blustery wind on the Ottawa River with a reefed jib and full main I learned the answer to a question many of us have asked ourselves.” If knocked down, will the M 15 continue heeling and finally turn turtle?” The answer “yes”. In my case when the gust hit there was no time to steer off, cast off sheets or to take any other remedial action.I was in the water . Possibly had the drop boards been in place the disaster might have been lessened, but I do not know.Any way over I went with both sails set. Fortunately fellow boaters arrived within half an hour and two of us righted the boat as one would a dinghy,bailed a little and got towed back to our club. Drying out will take a while and the teasing will take even longer to fade. This 84 year old has come safely through a nasty experience and henceforth will at least keep the drop boards in place when sailing in gusty weather. A word to the wise.Cheers . RTH.
Robert has a 1983 Montgomery 15. He has a roller furler with a 150% genoa. He has been posting to the listproc for over a year, if not two. say until he gives more detail we have to take him at his word, even though some seem to be questioning his statements. :: Dave Scobie On Jun 24, 2015 9:59 PM, "Bob Eeg" <montgomeryboats@hotmail.com> wrote:
Is this his first post to the group?
Hmmm..
Sent from my iPad
On Jun 24, 2015, at 8:56 PM, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
The description sounds more like a capsize and not a “turtle”. Perhaps the original poster can clarify. Any boat can be knocked down, and with the boards out water can enter the cockpit. Despite this a Monty should right without much difficulty from the ballast even with water aboard. Turtle implies mast down below the boat and the boat completely upside down. That would really be a surprise here.
Daniel M15 #208
On Jun 24, 2015, at 8:51 PM, Bob Eeg <montgomeryboats@hotmail.com> wrote:
Pictures or it didn't happen. ;-)
So you're saying the Mast was pointing straight down.? The boat was bottom up level?
Did you fall onto the sail ?
Any boat can be knocked down in high winds, but when the sails lay flat and dumps the wind, the ballast (40%) should right the boat.
It was turtled for 1/2 hour? Yeah..........
:-)
Sent from my iPad
On Jun 24, 2015, at 4:16 PM, Robert Hall <bert.hall@bell.net> wrote:
Hello All,Unfortunately at 1600 today while sailing alone in blustery wind on the Ottawa River with a reefed jib and full main I learned the answer to a question many of us have asked ourselves.” If knocked down, will the M 15 continue heeling and finally turn turtle?” The answer “yes”. In my case when the gust hit there was no time to steer off, cast off sheets or to take any other remedial action.I was in the water . Possibly had the drop boards been in place the disaster might have been lessened, but I do not know.Any way over I went with both sails set. Fortunately fellow boaters arrived within half an hour and two of us righted the boat as one would a dinghy,bailed a little and got towed back to our club. Drying out will take a while and the teasing will take even longer to fade. This 84 year old has come safely through a nasty experience and henceforth will at least keep the drop boards in place when sailing in gusty weather. A word to the wise.Cheers . RTH.
I don’t question his horrible experience. I am glad he did well and was not injured. Especially at 84! Scary day. I hope to be sailing at that age. No, it is just the description seems like a knock down and capsize. That is not common for a Montgomery, but as we all know, any boat can be knocked down under the right conditions. A river is a prime spot with gusty winds that can come from funny angles including a down draft, especially in a canyon. I was just hoping he would clarify, that is all. I should think any boat could be turtled also under the right conditions, even a boat with a heavy keel. His description was that they righted it like a dinghy. Bad experience for sure. Not questioning his veracity at all, and if it came off that way, I certainly apologize! Daniel
On Jun 24, 2015, at 9:04 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Robert has a 1983 Montgomery 15. He has a roller furler with a 150% genoa.
He has been posting to the listproc for over a year, if not two.
say until he gives more detail we have to take him at his word, even though some seem to be questioning his statements.
:: Dave Scobie On Jun 24, 2015 9:59 PM, "Bob Eeg" <montgomeryboats@hotmail.com> wrote:
Is this his first post to the group?
Hmmm..
Sent from my iPad
On Jun 24, 2015, at 8:56 PM, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
The description sounds more like a capsize and not a “turtle”. Perhaps the original poster can clarify. Any boat can be knocked down, and with the boards out water can enter the cockpit. Despite this a Monty should right without much difficulty from the ballast even with water aboard. Turtle implies mast down below the boat and the boat completely upside down. That would really be a surprise here.
Daniel M15 #208
On Jun 24, 2015, at 8:51 PM, Bob Eeg <montgomeryboats@hotmail.com> wrote:
Pictures or it didn't happen. ;-)
So you're saying the Mast was pointing straight down.? The boat was bottom up level?
Did you fall onto the sail ?
Any boat can be knocked down in high winds, but when the sails lay flat and dumps the wind, the ballast (40%) should right the boat.
It was turtled for 1/2 hour? Yeah..........
:-)
Sent from my iPad
On Jun 24, 2015, at 4:16 PM, Robert Hall <bert.hall@bell.net> wrote:
Hello All,Unfortunately at 1600 today while sailing alone in blustery wind on the Ottawa River with a reefed jib and full main I learned the answer to a question many of us have asked ourselves.” If knocked down, will the M 15 continue heeling and finally turn turtle?” The answer “yes”. In my case when the gust hit there was no time to steer off, cast off sheets or to take any other remedial action.I was in the water . Possibly had the drop boards been in place the disaster might have been lessened, but I do not know.Any way over I went with both sails set. Fortunately fellow boaters arrived within half an hour and two of us righted the boat as one would a dinghy,bailed a little and got towed back to our club. Drying out will take a while and the teasing will take even longer to fade. This 84 year old has come safely through a nasty experience and henceforth will at least keep the drop boards in place when sailing in gusty weather. A word to the wise.Cheers . RTH.
My 23' Venture Newport Chiquita was knocked down by a microburst over 20 years ago. I couldn't release the sheets quickly enough before I tumbled into the lake. The sails managed to scoop up a ton of water; we were going at hull speed. The 600lb swing keel could not right the boat with the sails full of water. Water poured in the open hatches, she turned turtle, and sank in about three minutes. Henry M17 #310 Monita http://macgregor.sailboatowners.com/index.php?option=com_kb&Itemid=256&cat_i... On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 10:51 PM, Bob Eeg <montgomeryboats@hotmail.com> wrote:
Pictures or it didn't happen. ;-)
So you're saying the Mast was pointing straight down.? The boat was bottom up level?
Did you fall onto the sail ?
Any boat can be knocked down in high winds, but when the sails lay flat and dumps the wind, the ballast (40%) should right the boat.
It was turtled for 1/2 hour? Yeah..........
:-)
Sent from my iPad
On Jun 24, 2015, at 4:16 PM, Robert Hall <bert.hall@bell.net> wrote:
Hello All,Unfortunately at 1600 today while sailing alone in blustery wind on the Ottawa River with a reefed jib and full main I learned the answer to a question many of us have asked ourselves.” If knocked down, will the M 15 continue heeling and finally turn turtle?” The answer “yes”. In my case when the gust hit there was no time to steer off, cast off sheets or to take any other remedial action.I was in the water . Possibly had the drop boards been in place the disaster might have been lessened, but I do not know.Any way over I went with both sails set. Fortunately fellow boaters arrived within half an hour and two of us righted the boat as one would a dinghy,bailed a little and got towed back to our club. Drying out will take a while and the teasing will take even longer to fade. This 84 year old has come safely through a nasty experience and henceforth will at least keep the drop boards in place when sailing in gusty weather. A word to the wise.Cheers . RTH.
-- Henry https://picasaweb.google.com/heinzir
Henry. You also wrote an excellent article about your experience. Can't remember the specific issue of Small Craft Advisor. Was a good read and very informative. :: Dave Scobie On Jun 24, 2015 10:15 PM, "Henry Rodriguez" <heinzir@gmail.com> wrote:
My 23' Venture Newport Chiquita was knocked down by a microburst over 20 years ago. I couldn't release the sheets quickly enough before I tumbled into the lake. The sails managed to scoop up a ton of water; we were going at hull speed. The 600lb swing keel could not right the boat with the sails full of water. Water poured in the open hatches, she turned turtle, and sank in about three minutes.
Henry M17 #310 Monita
http://macgregor.sailboatowners.com/index.php?option=com_kb&Itemid=256&cat_i...
On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 10:51 PM, Bob Eeg <montgomeryboats@hotmail.com> wrote:
Pictures or it didn't happen. ;-)
So you're saying the Mast was pointing straight down.? The boat was bottom up level?
Did you fall onto the sail ?
Any boat can be knocked down in high winds, but when the sails lay flat and dumps the wind, the ballast (40%) should right the boat.
It was turtled for 1/2 hour? Yeah..........
:-)
Sent from my iPad
On Jun 24, 2015, at 4:16 PM, Robert Hall <bert.hall@bell.net> wrote:
Hello All,Unfortunately at 1600 today while sailing alone in blustery wind on the Ottawa River with a reefed jib and full main I learned the answer to a question many of us have asked ourselves.” If knocked down, will the M 15 continue heeling and finally turn turtle?” The answer “yes”. In my case when the gust hit there was no time to steer off, cast off sheets or to take any other remedial action.I was in the water . Possibly had the drop boards been in place the disaster might have been lessened, but I do not know.Any way over I went with both sails set. Fortunately fellow boaters arrived within half an hour and two of us righted the boat as one would a dinghy,bailed a little and got towed back to our club. Drying out will take a while and the teasing will take even longer to fade. This 84 year old has come safely through a nasty experience and henceforth will at least keep the drop boards in place when sailing in gusty weather. A word to the wise.Cheers . RTH.
-- Henry https://picasaweb.google.com/heinzir
A sad but excellent example of how this could happen, thanks for sharing Henry. We gotta remember, boats are moving forward, often as fast as they are able, in a windy situation that might cause a knock-down, and seas are rough. When the parts of the boat that aren't supposed to hit the water do hit the water (and the keel and rudder come out of the water), unpredictable stuff happens - the boat may skew sideways, plunge, spin, etc., depending also on the seas at the moment. The mast becomes a foil...which way is it pulling? And if the keel isn't locked down, on a swing keel boat...! cheers, John S. On 06/24/2015 09:14 PM, Henry Rodriguez wrote:
My 23' Venture Newport Chiquita was knocked down by a microburst over 20 years ago. I couldn't release the sheets quickly enough before I tumbled into the lake. The sails managed to scoop up a ton of water; we were going at hull speed. The 600lb swing keel could not right the boat with the sails full of water. Water poured in the open hatches, she turned turtle, and sank in about three minutes.
Henry M17 #310 Monita
http://macgregor.sailboatowners.com/index.php?option=com_kb&Itemid=256&cat_i...
On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 10:51 PM, Bob Eeg <montgomeryboats@hotmail.com> wrote:
Pictures or it didn't happen. ;-)
So you're saying the Mast was pointing straight down.? The boat was bottom up level?
Did you fall onto the sail ?
Any boat can be knocked down in high winds, but when the sails lay flat and dumps the wind, the ballast (40%) should right the boat.
It was turtled for 1/2 hour? Yeah..........
:-)
Sent from my iPad
On Jun 24, 2015, at 4:16 PM, Robert Hall <bert.hall@bell.net> wrote:
Hello All,Unfortunately at 1600 today while sailing alone in blustery wind on the Ottawa River with a reefed jib and full main I learned the answer to a question many of us have asked ourselves.” If knocked down, will the M 15 continue heeling and finally turn turtle?” The answer “yes”. In my case when the gust hit there was no time to steer off, cast off sheets or to take any other remedial action.I was in the water . Possibly had the drop boards been in place the disaster might have been lessened, but I do not know.Any way over I went with both sails set. Fortunately fellow boaters arrived within half an hour and two of us righted the boat as one would a dinghy,bailed a little and got towed back to our club. Drying out will take a while and the teasing will take even longer to fade. This 84 year old has come safely through a nasty experience and henceforth will at least keep the drop boards in place when sailing in gusty weather. A word to the wise.Cheers . RTH.
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
Yup. No doubt any boat under the right conditions can turtle. Henry, what a sad thing. I can well imagine a Monty with a sail full of water, momentum, waves, a cabin full of water, a sailor in the water, swing centerboard retracted as the boat goes over, and she could go down or over. No doubt. I hope not to witness that. Good thing it is a rare event. Glad Robert did well, and the boat was saved too. Daniel
On Jun 24, 2015, at 9:30 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
A sad but excellent example of how this could happen, thanks for sharing Henry. We gotta remember, boats are moving forward, often as fast as they are able, in a windy situation that might cause a knock-down, and seas are rough. When the parts of the boat that aren't supposed to hit the water do hit the water (and the keel and rudder come out of the water), unpredictable stuff happens - the boat may skew sideways, plunge, spin, etc., depending also on the seas at the moment. The mast becomes a foil...which way is it pulling? And if the keel isn't locked down, on a swing keel boat...!
cheers, John S.
On 06/24/2015 09:14 PM, Henry Rodriguez wrote:
My 23' Venture Newport Chiquita was knocked down by a microburst over 20 years ago. I couldn't release the sheets quickly enough before I tumbled into the lake. The sails managed to scoop up a ton of water; we were going at hull speed. The 600lb swing keel could not right the boat with the sails full of water. Water poured in the open hatches, she turned turtle, and sank in about three minutes.
Henry M17 #310 Monita
http://macgregor.sailboatowners.com/index.php?option=com_kb&Itemid=256&cat_i...
On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 10:51 PM, Bob Eeg <montgomeryboats@hotmail.com> wrote:
Pictures or it didn't happen. ;-)
So you're saying the Mast was pointing straight down.? The boat was bottom up level?
Did you fall onto the sail ?
Any boat can be knocked down in high winds, but when the sails lay flat and dumps the wind, the ballast (40%) should right the boat.
It was turtled for 1/2 hour? Yeah..........
:-)
Sent from my iPad
On Jun 24, 2015, at 4:16 PM, Robert Hall <bert.hall@bell.net> wrote:
Hello All,Unfortunately at 1600 today while sailing alone in blustery wind on the Ottawa River with a reefed jib and full main I learned the answer to a question many of us have asked ourselves.” If knocked down, will the M 15 continue heeling and finally turn turtle?” The answer “yes”. In my case when the gust hit there was no time to steer off, cast off sheets or to take any other remedial action.I was in the water . Possibly had the drop boards been in place the disaster might have been lessened, but I do not know.Any way over I went with both sails set. Fortunately fellow boaters arrived within half an hour and two of us righted the boat as one would a dinghy,bailed a little and got towed back to our club. Drying out will take a while and the teasing will take even longer to fade. This 84 year old has come safely through a nasty experience and henceforth will at least keep the drop boards in place when sailing in gusty weather. A word to the wise.Cheers . RTH.
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
I’ve read about an M-15 that turned and didm’t right itself but haven’t heard an account of that happening with an M-17. Obviously under the right conditions it can. Just no documented cases that I’ve seen. - Jim M-17 “ Spirit” On Jun 24, 2015, at 9:36 PM, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
Yup. No doubt any boat under the right conditions can turtle. Henry, what a sad thing.
I can well imagine a Monty with a sail full of water, momentum, waves, a cabin full of water, a sailor in the water, swing centerboard retracted as the boat goes over, and she could go down or over. No doubt. I hope not to witness that. Good thing it is a rare event. Glad Robert did well, and the boat was saved too.
Daniel
On Jun 24, 2015, at 9:30 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
A sad but excellent example of how this could happen, thanks for sharing Henry. We gotta remember, boats are moving forward, often as fast as they are able, in a windy situation that might cause a knock-down, and seas are rough. When the parts of the boat that aren't supposed to hit the water do hit the water (and the keel and rudder come out of the water), unpredictable stuff happens - the boat may skew sideways, plunge, spin, etc., depending also on the seas at the moment. The mast becomes a foil...which way is it pulling? And if the keel isn't locked down, on a swing keel boat...!
cheers, John S.
On 06/24/2015 09:14 PM, Henry Rodriguez wrote:
My 23' Venture Newport Chiquita was knocked down by a microburst over 20 years ago. I couldn't release the sheets quickly enough before I tumbled into the lake. The sails managed to scoop up a ton of water; we were going at hull speed. The 600lb swing keel could not right the boat with the sails full of water. Water poured in the open hatches, she turned turtle, and sank in about three minutes.
Henry M17 #310 Monita
http://macgregor.sailboatowners.com/index.php?option=com_kb&Itemid=256&cat_i...
On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 10:51 PM, Bob Eeg <montgomeryboats@hotmail.com> wrote:
Pictures or it didn't happen. ;-)
So you're saying the Mast was pointing straight down.? The boat was bottom up level?
Did you fall onto the sail ?
Any boat can be knocked down in high winds, but when the sails lay flat and dumps the wind, the ballast (40%) should right the boat.
It was turtled for 1/2 hour? Yeah..........
:-)
Sent from my iPad
On Jun 24, 2015, at 4:16 PM, Robert Hall <bert.hall@bell.net> wrote:
Hello All,Unfortunately at 1600 today while sailing alone in blustery wind on the Ottawa River with a reefed jib and full main I learned the answer to a question many of us have asked ourselves.” If knocked down, will the M 15 continue heeling and finally turn turtle?” The answer “yes”. In my case when the gust hit there was no time to steer off, cast off sheets or to take any other remedial action.I was in the water . Possibly had the drop boards been in place the disaster might have been lessened, but I do not know.Any way over I went with both sails set. Fortunately fellow boaters arrived within half an hour and two of us righted the boat as one would a dinghy,bailed a little and got towed back to our club. Drying out will take a while and the teasing will take even longer to fade. This 84 year old has come safely through a nasty experience and henceforth will at least keep the drop boards in place when sailing in gusty weather. A word to the wise.Cheers . RTH.
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
About 10 years ago I was sailing out of the Clearwater Sailing Center on a 17' rental and was knocked down by a wind burst that was created by wind funneling between to tall hotel buildings. I was knocked into the water without my life jacket on not good:-(, fortunately I was able to right the boat by standing on the keel as soon as it was up it started to sail as I had not had the presence of mind to release the sheets. I was able to grab a hold on the boat but could not lift myself (220 lbs) into the boat with out any assistance no ladder. There I was hanging on the back of the boat that was now sailing itself across Clearwater Bay. Thankfully the Sailing Center was keeping on eye out and notified the Coast Guard Station a 1/2 mile south of the Center and they came to the rescue a real comedy of errors on my part and PTL for the results. George -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Henry Rodriguez Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 11:15 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Turning Turtle My 23' Venture Newport Chiquita was knocked down by a microburst over 20 years ago. I couldn't release the sheets quickly enough before I tumbled into the lake. The sails managed to scoop up a ton of water; we were going at hull speed. The 600lb swing keel could not right the boat with the sails full of water. Water poured in the open hatches, she turned turtle, and sank in about three minutes. Henry M17 #310 Monita http://macgregor.sailboatowners.com/index.php?option=com_kb&Itemid=256&cat_i d=155&aid=7671&page=article&mn=25 On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 10:51 PM, Bob Eeg <montgomeryboats@hotmail.com> wrote:
Pictures or it didn't happen. ;-)
So you're saying the Mast was pointing straight down.? The boat was bottom up level?
Did you fall onto the sail ?
Any boat can be knocked down in high winds, but when the sails lay flat and dumps the wind, the ballast (40%) should right the boat.
It was turtled for 1/2 hour? Yeah..........
:-)
Sent from my iPad
On Jun 24, 2015, at 4:16 PM, Robert Hall <bert.hall@bell.net> wrote:
Hello All,Unfortunately at 1600 today while sailing alone in blustery wind on the Ottawa River with a reefed jib and full main I learned the answer to a question many of us have asked ourselves." If knocked down, will the M 15 continue heeling and finally turn turtle?" The answer "yes". In my case when the gust hit there was no time to steer off, cast off sheets or to take any other remedial action.I was in the water . Possibly had the drop boards been in place the disaster might have been lessened, but I do not know.Any way over I went with both sails set. Fortunately fellow boaters arrived within half an hour and two of us righted the boat as one would a dinghy,bailed a little and got towed back to our club. Drying out will take a while and the teasing will take even longer to fade. This 84 year old has come safely through a nasty experience and henceforth will at least keep the drop boards in place when sailing in gusty weather. A word to the wise.Cheers . RTH.
-- Henry https://picasaweb.google.com/heinzir
Robert PTL all went well you & the boat survived. You were wearing your life preserver right. Good advise regarding drop boards. I was wondering regarding your reefing sequence. I have always reefed the Main prior to dropping the Jib. Do you have roller reefing & had reduced the jib area that way? George (83 yr) Merry Helen II 96 M15 #602 -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Robert Hall Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 6:16 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: Turning Turtle Hello All,Unfortunately at 1600 today while sailing alone in blustery wind on the Ottawa River with a reefed jib and full main I learned the answer to a question many of us have asked ourselves." If knocked down, will the M 15 continue heeling and finally turn turtle?" The answer "yes". In my case when the gust hit there was no time to steer off, cast off sheets or to take any other remedial action.I was in the water . Possibly had the drop boards been in place the disaster might have been lessened, but I do not know.Any way over I went with both sails set. Fortunately fellow boaters arrived within half an hour and two of us righted the boat as one would a dinghy,bailed a little and got towed back to our club. Drying out will take a while and the teasing will take even longer to fade. This 84 year old has come safely through a nasty experience and henceforth will at least keep the drop boards in place when sailing in gusty weather. A word to the wise.Cheers . RTH.
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