Re: M_Boats: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 131, Issue 10

24 Jan 2014

      Thanks to Gary Overton and associates for all help given in the Wrinkle Boat event at Lake Pleasant last weekend. It was fun meeting old and new wrinkle boaters and the weather was outstanding. Didn't like those five minute starts, tho - no fun having the Vipers bearing down on you at the mark. May swallow my pride and see if I can figure it out next year. 

Janis and Bill on Encore! 

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Today's Topics: 

1. Re: 1979 Montgomery 17 (Thomas Howe) 
2. Re: 1979 Montgomery 17 (Robert Hall) 
3. Re: 1979 Montgomery 17 (GILASAILR@aol.com) 
4. Surplus M- 15 Sails for Sale (Robert Hall) 
5. Re: The Connecticut Yankee is learning to speak Texan 
(GILASAILR@aol.com) 
6. Re: 1979 Montgomery 17 (bownez@juno.com) 
7. Re: Adding an electric Motor to Montgomery 15 (John Roland) 
8. Montgomery 12 - sails, mast, boom, rudder (Michelle Holland) 
9. Montgomery 12 - sails, mast, boom, rudder - Additional 
Information (Michelle Holland) 
10. Re: Montgomery 12 - sails, mast, boom, rudder - Additional 
Information (Doug Hall) 
11. Re: 1979 Montgomery 17 (Thomas Buzzi) 
12. Re: 1979 Montgomery 17 (stevetrapp) 
13. Sails (Todd Bradley) 
14. Re: Sails (jerry montgomery) 
15. Re: Sails (Todd Bradley) 
16. Re: Sails (Robbin Roddewig) 
17. Re: Sails (Robbin Roddewig) 
18. Re: Sails (Todd Bradley) 
19. Re: Sails (bownez@juno.com) 

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Message: 1 
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 21:14:06 -0600 
From: "Thomas Howe" <Thomas@ThomasHoweOnline.com> 
To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" 
<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> 
Subject: Re: M_Boats: 1979 Montgomery 17 
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" 

Henry, it looks like you got the deal of the century. It will require some 
time and attention to get it in Bristol Fashion, but it will be worth it! 

Thomas Howe 
Mailto:Thomas@ThomasHoweOnline.com 
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-----Original Message----- 
From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com 
[mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Henry 
Rodriguez 
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 8:26 PM 
To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com 
Subject: M_Boats: 1979 Montgomery 17 

*Ok, I am buying it!!!* 

I just made a verbal commitment to buy the boat for $2500 ! 

Won't pick it up until early spring, and there are still a few things that 
could botch the deal, but so far so good. 

https://picasaweb.google.com/101215806559438798863/JayS1979Montgomery17 

-- 
Henry 
https://picasaweb.google.com/heinzir 

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Message: 2 
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 22:56:14 -0500 
From: "Robert Hall" <bert.hall@rogers.com> 
To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" 
<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> 
Subject: Re: M_Boats: 1979 Montgomery 17 
Message-ID: <F370925ED1604A3FA8EFB7855CCF9BB4@Pavilion> 
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Hi Henry, Looks like you are a big winner with your purchase. 
Congratulations. RTH M 15 owner. 

-----Original Message----- 
From: Henry Rodriguez 
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 9:26 PM 
To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com 
Subject: M_Boats: 1979 Montgomery 17 

*Ok, I am buying it!!!* 

I just made a verbal commitment to buy the boat for $2500 ! 

Won't pick it up until early spring, and there are still a few things that 
could botch the deal, but so far so good. 

https://picasaweb.google.com/101215806559438798863/JayS1979Montgomery17 

-- 
Henry 
https://picasaweb.google.com/heinzir 

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Message: 3 
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 23:21:26 -0500 (EST) 
From: GILASAILR@aol.com 
To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com 
Subject: Re: M_Boats: 1979 Montgomery 17 
Message-ID: <c5041.46a7b97d.400f4fc6@aol.com> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" 

Henry, 

I'll take two or three at that price /condition (as viewed via my monitor) 
! 

Some of the Northern region boats are really nice - Higher lattitudes =less 
UV damage - shorter seasons and sometimes barn storage - cold fresh water 
- What's not to like?? (as a contrast - mine is out in the sun and heat (& 
cold) 24/7/12 at 33-36 N. in 115 degrees F heat at upper range - No Barn - 
and a 8-9 month sailing season ( we skip the summers locally!) 

Try and get that kind of money for a Clorox 23 (or other similar) - good 
luck - Not the BEST 17 footer but damn close and affordable too- maybe the 
best fat wrinkled cruising 17 footer with a masthead rig - Good Mariners, 
Rhodes 19 and some other 'boutique models' hold their values well too and are 
also 'icons' of small boats. There have been 675 +/- M-17s built That is 
not big numbers when you consider the number of boats out there. We can 
sometimes generate our own 'aura/mystique/collectibility' about something we 
own and like - go to a really BIG marina for a reality check on numbers or 
consider the number of C-22's in the US - now almost at a standstill for 
new production. You got a good deal looking from here. Rig looks clean. 

Congrats and Good Luck with the contingencies. 

Gary Henry Oberbeck 
M-17t #354 'Wabi-Sabi' * 

*The yellow and white M-17 across the dock from you last year at London 
Bridge... 

PS- thanks for driving recent sales price for a M-17 into the dirt! JUST 
KIDDING - you did great!. {;>) Good for You! Buy 'em low! You probably 
didn't get many comments form M-17 owners in response to your question - 
like - 'as little as possible' - that is the way some of us like to buy toys. 
I like red boats - good lookin to boot!! 
You can't buy my ugly old boat for that money...'mine is 
rare/collectible/and worth MUCH more' - ...yeah okay....{;>) 
Take Care,Have Fun, Go Sailing! 

In a message dated 1/20/2014 7:28:19 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, 
heinzir@gmail.com writes: 

https://picasaweb.google.com/101215806559438798863/JayS1979Montgomery17 

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Message: 4 
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 23:58:39 -0500 
From: "Robert Hall" <bert.hall@rogers.com> 
To: "Montgomery Owners" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> 
Subject: M_Boats: Surplus M- 15 Sails for Sale 
Message-ID: <06C1A7B6AEB2427281EB2CAFBA368697@Pavilion> 
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; 
reply-type=original 

Greetings Fellow M-15 Owners.I have for sale a main and hank on jib as 
provided by the Montgomery builder. There are no breaks, tears or other 
structural damage and they recently received processing by SAILCARE and are 
therefore clean.The main is equipped with slugs at the luff and with a jack 
line to prevent lower slugs falling out of the mast slot when the sail is 
lowered. I also have a pale blue hank on genoa in a sail bag marked 150% 
which is in as new condition and finally a never used red ,white and blue 
asymmetrical spinnaker in a home made sock.I am over 80 and have treated 
myself to a new main and CDI furling 150% genoa to make life afloat easier. 
So now you know why these sails are surplus to requirement . The asking 
price is $500.00 plus shipping for all four complete with sail bags.. My e 
mail address is bert.hall@rogers.com. 

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Message: 5 
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 00:11:53 -0500 (EST) 
From: GILASAILR@aol.com 
To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com 
Subject: Re: M_Boats: The Connecticut Yankee is learning to speak 
Texan 
Message-ID: <43d5f.116ef96d.400f5b98@aol.com> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" 

Connie - the Texan's call them boots 'manly footwear' - guess they worry 
more about other peoples perceptions of their ______ than decks and swimming 
in boots!- keep us notified of any scession plans they may have over that 
way. I enjoy a good coup as much as the next guy. 

Enjoy your new digs. Best to both of you. 

GO. 

In a message dated 1/20/2014 10:31:55 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, 
chbenneck@gmail.com writes: 

On 19-Jan-14 7:22 PM, bownez@juno.com wrote: 

Hi Bones, 

The answer to your question is No. 

They make marks on the deck, and are hard to remove in a hurry if you 
should fall overboard. 

Connie
...
Hello Connie,
Welcome back! 
Please don't leave us, we love your wit and sage wisdom!
Are you shopping for cowboy boots?
Mr. Bones 
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Message: 6 
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 14:58:07 GMT 
From: "bownez@juno.com" <bownez@juno.com> 
To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com 
Subject: Re: M_Boats: 1979 Montgomery 17 
Message-ID: <20140121.085807.14579.0@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 

Congratulations! 

You will love having an M17. 

Seeing we are neighbors, we'll need to introduce our boats to each other. 

Let me know if you have any questions about your new addition to the fleet. 

Bones 
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Message: 7 
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 12:04:30 -0500 
From: John Roland <jsroland007@gmail.com> 
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats 
<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> 
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Adding an electric Motor to Montgomery 15 
Message-ID: 
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Scott 
When I bought my M-15 a few years ago I bought a heavy duty trolling motor 
that I calculated would be about the equivalent of a 2-horse motor. It 
draws about 50 amps at full power and as I started sailing on overnight 
cruises at the time where I often became becalmed and needed several hours 
of motoring to get home. I replaced it with a 2-horse gas motor and never 
used the electric. It's a transom mount saltwater model and should get you 
in and out of the harbor easily. If you are interested I'll dig it out and 
get you the information - make - model - year etc. Reply if you are 
interested. 
John Roland SV-Wokini 

On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 3:03 PM, Scott <salarson2@comcast.net> wrote:
...
I have a 2 stroke motor that came with my Monty when I bought it. In good 
conscience, I cannot get myself to use it. I have a 12 v trolling motor 
that worked OK for getting it in and out of the smallish bay on Minnesota's 
Lake Minnetonka, but it was a little slow. Getting in and out of Carson's 
bay generally took me about a half hour plus each way.
I am tempted to take the lower unit off the motor and bolt it to the bottom 
of my Monty behind the keel and mount an electric motor inside the hull. I 
have figured out what I need for power and duration in terms of the motor 
and batteries, but I am reluctant to put a hole in the bottom of the boat 
to mount the motor and prop. Any thoughts on how that could affect the 
value of the boat?
Scott Larson
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Message: 8 
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 12:08:15 -0500 (EST) 
From: Michelle Holland <dinkum1@aol.com> 
To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com 
Subject: M_Boats: Montgomery 12 - sails, mast, boom, rudder 
Message-ID: <8D0E4E281AB2462-1C28-2BDD@webmail-d227.sysops.aol.com> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" 

Good afternoon, 

I have sails, mast, boom, rudder off a Montgomery 12 for sale. I am testing the waters to see if there is any interest. If there is, I will go to my storage unit and get the details and measurements off everything. Thanks for your time. 

Michelle 

_______________________________ 
Michelle Holland 
"Those that dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous folk for they may act upon their dreams with open eyes, to make it possible." 

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Message: 9 
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 12:13:20 -0500 (EST) 
From: Michelle Holland <dinkum1@aol.com> 
To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com 
Subject: M_Boats: Montgomery 12 - sails, mast, boom, rudder - 
Additional Information 
Message-ID: <8D0E4E337A81056-1C28-2CA3@webmail-d227.sysops.aol.com> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" 

I forgot to mention that I am located in Welaka, Florida. 

_______________________________ 
Michelle Holland 
"Those that dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous folk for they may act upon their dreams with open eyes, to make it possible." 

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Message: 10 
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 19:24:49 -0800 (PST) 
From: Doug Hall <kicker_fixer@yahoo.com> 
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats 
<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> 
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Montgomery 12 - sails, mast, boom, rudder - 
Additional Information 
Message-ID: 
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 

hi, michelle ,? I may have an interest in your? stash of 12 ft monty? parts and I am only a couple of hrs. away in panama city , give me a shout? at?? kicker_fixer@ yahoo .com? thanks doug 

On Tuesday, January 21, 2014 11:15 AM, Michelle Holland <dinkum1@aol.com> wrote: 

I forgot to mention that I am located in Welaka, Florida. 

_______________________________ 
Michelle Holland 
"Those that dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous folk for they may act upon their dreams with open eyes, to make it possible." 

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Message: 11 
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 07:18:29 -0600 
From: Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> 
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats 
<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> 
Subject: Re: M_Boats: 1979 Montgomery 17 
Message-ID: 
<CA+TbpAU=CtVbjpJHM-YLOGjTDv=7vrb7ZGz9ZyQ=LYYHyDnetw@mail.gmail.com> 
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Congratulation Henry, 
You were at the right place at the right time. Great price! Now you have 
some cash left to customize your new bateau just the way you like it. These 
are the biggest "little" boats out there. Park it someplace where every day 
you can walk past it or at least look at it out a window. Her lines are 
just the most pleasing. Form follows function and Lyle Hess had his thumb 
on that idea when he drew up this boat. 
Welcome to the fleet. 
Tom B 
M 17, #258, 1978 

On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 8:26 PM, Henry Rodriguez <heinzir@gmail.com> wrote:
...
*Ok, I am buying it!!!*
I just made a verbal commitment to buy the boat for $2500 !
Won't pick it up until early spring, and there are still a few things that 
could botch the deal, but so far so good.
https://picasaweb.google.com/101215806559438798863/JayS1979Montgomery17
-- 
Henry 
https://picasaweb.google.com/heinzir
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Message: 12 
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 07:30:45 -0800 
From: "stevetrapp" <stevetrapp@q.com> 
To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" 
<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> 
Subject: Re: M_Boats: 1979 Montgomery 17 
Message-ID: <889FF47A27414024A56B36DC0C3CECA1@STEVEEW> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" 

Me too, I agree, my M-15 is where I can see it nearly every day. It is good this time of year to see it and think there is hope for sailing season to replace winter sometime in the not too distant future. 
Steve 
M-15 # 335 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> 
To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> 
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 5:18 AM 
Subject: Re: M_Boats: 1979 Montgomery 17
...
Congratulation Henry, 
You were at the right place at the right time. Great price! Now you have 
some cash left to customize your new bateau just the way you like it. These 
are the biggest "little" boats out there. Park it someplace where every day 
you can walk past it or at least look at it out a window. Her lines are 
just the most pleasing. Form follows function and Lyle Hess had his thumb 
on that idea when he drew up this boat. 
Welcome to the fleet. 
Tom B 
M 17, #258, 1978
On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 8:26 PM, Henry Rodriguez <heinzir@gmail.com> wrote:
...
*Ok, I am buying it!!!*
I just made a verbal commitment to buy the boat for $2500 !
Won't pick it up until early spring, and there are still a few things that 
could botch the deal, but so far so good.
https://picasaweb.google.com/101215806559438798863/JayS1979Montgomery17
-- 
Henry 
https://picasaweb.google.com/heinzir
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Message: 13 
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 14:59:44 -0800 
From: "Todd Bradley" <todd@btbuilders.net> 
To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" 
<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> 
Subject: M_Boats: Sails 
Message-ID: <033a01cf188e$cfcbb410$6f631c30$@net> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" 

Hi Everybody, 

I am hoping to get some feedback regarding headsail size for my 23'. I do 
not currently have a headsail and am trying to determine the best size to 
start with as I eventually build a sail inventory. I will be doing most of 
my sailing on my local lake (Folsom). Where winds vary from 0 to 8 knots 
and then days with 8 to 15 knot winds. I will eventual get it up to Tahoe 
and down into SF bay where the winds will be stronger. I have spoken to a 
few other sailing folks and I am thinking of Starting with a 135 Genoa. 

What are others using? Do you think a 135 is a good place to start? 

Thanks in advance for any of your input! 

Todd Bradley 

M-23 #86 

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Message: 14 
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 15:11:40 -0800 
From: "jerry montgomery" <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> 
To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" 
<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> 
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sails 
Message-ID: <54DBDC34F22842DB9A6CB799B33F23AB@jerryws10> 
Content-Type: text/plain; format="flowed"; charset="iso-8859-1"; 
reply-type="original" 

Tod- a 135 would be a good all-round sail, but the 23 is a masthead rig and 
would sail best and point higher with a 150 in up to about 16 or 18 kn 
winds. 

A good sail for SF would be about an 80% jib, especially if you sheeted it 
on the cabin top. 

I sailed the 23 quite a bit in the Mexican races in the late 70s and early 
80s; we used a 150 nearly all the time. The 23 will easily carry a 
spinnaker in about 25 kn , I'd guess. We never had a problem with the 
chute. 

If you have a problem making the sail decisions I'd be happy to take a look 
at the boat. 

jerry 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Todd Bradley" <todd@btbuilders.net> 
To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" 
<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> 
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 2:59 PM 
Subject: M_Boats: Sails
...
Hi Everybody,
I am hoping to get some feedback regarding headsail size for my 23'. I do 
not currently have a headsail and am trying to determine the best size to 
start with as I eventually build a sail inventory. I will be doing most of 
my sailing on my local lake (Folsom). Where winds vary from 0 to 8 knots 
and then days with 8 to 15 knot winds. I will eventual get it up to Tahoe 
and down into SF bay where the winds will be stronger. I have spoken to a 
few other sailing folks and I am thinking of Starting with a 135 Genoa.
What are others using? Do you think a 135 is a good place to start?
Thanks in advance for any of your input!
Todd Bradley
M-23 #86
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Message: 15 
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 17:10:44 -0800 
From: "Todd Bradley" <todd@btbuilders.net> 
To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" 
<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> 
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sails 
Message-ID: <036e01cf18a1$1d0a4f90$571eeeb0$@net> 
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Hey Jerry - thanks for the feedback. Sounds like a 150 is the best headsail 
for me to start with. 

I would love to have you look at the boat sometime. I'm in no rush....I'm 
still deep into deferred maintenance and upgrades......resealing things, had 
the teak hatch rails remade(old ones were broken), just got the new standing 
rigging back (haven't installed it yet) and other items in anticipation of 
spring and some water in the lake (hopefully). 

Have you been out to the lake lately? Crazy low, you can walk around and see 
the old foundations from old mining towns that haven't been exposed for some 
35 years. 

Todd Bradley 

M-23 #86 

-----Original Message----- 
From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com 
[mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of jerry 
montgomery 
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 3:12 PM 
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats 
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sails 

Tod- a 135 would be a good all-round sail, but the 23 is a masthead rig and 
would sail best and point higher with a 150 in up to about 16 or 18 kn 
winds. 

A good sail for SF would be about an 80% jib, especially if you sheeted it 
on the cabin top. 

I sailed the 23 quite a bit in the Mexican races in the late 70s and early 
80s; we used a 150 nearly all the time. The 23 will easily carry a 
spinnaker in about 25 kn , I'd guess. We never had a problem with the 
chute. 

If you have a problem making the sail decisions I'd be happy to take a look 
at the boat. 

jerry 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Todd Bradley" <todd@btbuilders.net> 
To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" 
<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> 
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 2:59 PM 
Subject: M_Boats: Sails
...
Hi Everybody,
I am hoping to get some feedback regarding headsail size for my 23'. I do 
not currently have a headsail and am trying to determine the best size to 
start with as I eventually build a sail inventory. I will be doing most of 
my sailing on my local lake (Folsom). Where winds vary from 0 to 8 knots 
and then days with 8 to 15 knot winds. I will eventual get it up to Tahoe 
and down into SF bay where the winds will be stronger. I have spoken to a 
few other sailing folks and I am thinking of Starting with a 135 Genoa.
What are others using? Do you think a 135 is a good place to start?
Thanks in advance for any of your input!
Todd Bradley
M-23 #86
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Message: 16 
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 21:46:44 -0500 
From: Robbin Roddewig <robbin.roddewig@verizon.net> 
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats 
<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> 
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sails 
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Hi Todd, 
I had a hank on 150 on my 23 that worked great on the Chesapeake bay for 
most of the conditions there. I moved to a roller furler this last 
season and really like it. The roller has I think a 135. All the best 
with your deferred maintenance. I know how that is...I also had the 
hatch rails redone last winter, sealed the port hull to deck seam and 
this winter am still working on replacing a bunch of the ash slats that 
had rotted and am having the deck under the mast looked to. Its always 
something but the 23 is a lot of fun to sail. 

Robbin 

On 1/23/2014 5:59 PM, Todd Bradley wrote:
...
Hi Everybody,
I am hoping to get some feedback regarding headsail size for my 23'. I do 
not currently have a headsail and am trying to determine the best size to 
start with as I eventually build a sail inventory. I will be doing most of 
my sailing on my local lake (Folsom). Where winds vary from 0 to 8 knots 
and then days with 8 to 15 knot winds. I will eventual get it up to Tahoe 
and down into SF bay where the winds will be stronger. I have spoken to a 
few other sailing folks and I am thinking of Starting with a 135 Genoa.
What are others using? Do you think a 135 is a good place to start?
Thanks in advance for any of your input!
Todd Bradley
M-23 #86
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Message: 17 
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 21:50:41 -0500 
From: Robbin Roddewig <robbin.roddewig@verizon.net> 
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats 
<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> 
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sails 
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Hi Jerry, 
you raced the 23? I lost the J-30 I was crewing on last season (diesel 
seized and boat was donated) and was considering racing my 23. So it 
sounds like it may not be out of the question to go around the cans with 
a 23? I have a spinnaker pole but no spin. I was wondering about using 
an Asim rather than the traditional spinnaker. Any thoughts on an Asim 
vs sim? 

Thanks 
Robbin 

On 1/23/2014 6:11 PM, jerry montgomery wrote:
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Tod- a 135 would be a good all-round sail, but the 23 is a masthead 
rig and would sail best and point higher with a 150 in up to about 16 
or 18 kn winds.
A good sail for SF would be about an 80% jib, especially if you 
sheeted it on the cabin top.
I sailed the 23 quite a bit in the Mexican races in the late 70s and 
early 80s; we used a 150 nearly all the time. The 23 will easily 
carry a spinnaker in about 25 kn , I'd guess. We never had a problem 
with the chute.
If you have a problem making the sail decisions I'd be happy to take a 
look at the boat.
jerry 
----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd Bradley" <todd@btbuilders.net> 
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Subject: M_Boats: Sails
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Hi Everybody,
I am hoping to get some feedback regarding headsail size for my 23'. 
I do 
not currently have a headsail and am trying to determine the best 
size to 
start with as I eventually build a sail inventory. I will be doing 
most of 
my sailing on my local lake (Folsom). Where winds vary from 0 to 8 
knots 
and then days with 8 to 15 knot winds. I will eventual get it up to 
Tahoe 
and down into SF bay where the winds will be stronger. I have spoken 
to a 
few other sailing folks and I am thinking of Starting with a 135 Genoa.
What are others using? Do you think a 135 is a good place to start?
Thanks in advance for any of your input!
Todd Bradley
M-23 #86
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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 20:13:35 -0800 
From: "Todd Bradley" <todd@btbuilders.net> 
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Hi Robbin - thanks for the input. I think the 150 might be the way to go. 

I will need to check out your photos again on rebidding your toe-rail. I 
also have leaks there. Just need to see if that makes it into this seasons 
projects. Did you change out the original ss screws? I know that you used 
the 3M 5200 as the sealer. I am a bit apprehensive of using 5200, as I 
understand that the stuff has so much adhesion it never comes off. Which can 
be a good thing. But just what if, in a few years I need to get it back 
off.....you never know. Do you think there is any wisdom in bedding the toe 
rail with butyl tape or a lower psi adhesive. 

Thanks again! 

Todd Bradley 

M-23 #86 

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Roddewig 
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 6:47 PM 
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Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sails 

Hi Todd, 
I had a hank on 150 on my 23 that worked great on the Chesapeake bay for 
most of the conditions there. I moved to a roller furler this last season 
and really like it. The roller has I think a 135. All the best with your 
deferred maintenance. I know how that is...I also had the hatch rails 
redone last winter, sealed the port hull to deck seam and this winter am 
still working on replacing a bunch of the ash slats that had rotted and am 
having the deck under the mast looked to. Its always something but the 23 
is a lot of fun to sail. 

Robbin 

On 1/23/2014 5:59 PM, Todd Bradley wrote:
...
Hi Everybody,
I am hoping to get some feedback regarding headsail size for my 23'. I do 
not currently have a headsail and am trying to determine the best size to 
start with as I eventually build a sail inventory. I will be doing most of 
my sailing on my local lake (Folsom). Where winds vary from 0 to 8 knots 
and then days with 8 to 15 knot winds. I will eventual get it up to Tahoe 
and down into SF bay where the winds will be stronger. I have spoken to a 
few other sailing folks and I am thinking of Starting with a 135 Genoa.
What are others using? Do you think a 135 is a good place to start?
Thanks in advance for any of your input!
Todd Bradley
M-23 #86
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Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 13:46:56 GMT 
From: "bownez@juno.com" <bownez@juno.com> 
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Robbin, 

Now you got me anxious to try that old 150 you kindly shipped to me!! 
No boating here for a while.... 

Bones 

M23 #75 
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