Have been reading this blog for a couple of years now, but have never been able to access any pictures submitted. This may be another technie issue, but any suggestions are appreciated. Janis Montgomery 17 ----- Original Message ----- From: "montgomery boats-request" montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com To: "montgomery boats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2014 7:48:53 AM Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 136, Issue 8 Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com You can reach the person managing the list at montgomery_boats-owner@mailman.xmission.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Got the centerboard down! (Dave Scobie) 2. Pocket Yacht Palooza Re: Do I need new sails (stevetrapp) 3. Thru-Hull drilling (Ronald McNeil) 4. Re: Thru-Hull drilling (Sandy) 5. Re: Thru-Hull drilling (Larry Yake) 6. Re: Got the centerboard down! (wcampion@aol.com) 7. Re: Thru-Hull drilling (Ronald McNeil) 8. Re: Thru-Hull drilling (Dave Scobie) 9. Re: Delivery Status Notification Re: Do I need new sails (Thomas Buzzi) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 19:52:33 -0600 From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Got the centerboard down! Message-ID: <CAGjBOA4p9DH=g8uLhtQH0Jc1J9bqmC1jrJJghQGoM23q6oY44g@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 The pin isn't really tapered, it may have been peined on the starboard side after it was put into the boat. Pound out the rotation pin port to starboard. Put the pin back in starboard to port. Be sure to support the board as you remove the pin. This will make it easier to get the pin out. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA :: Former M15 owner On Jun 15, 2014 7:47 PM, "Tyler Backman" <casioqv@usermail.com> wrote:
I got the stuck centerboard on my M15 out with a puller (see photos) based on a design by Jim Sadler. The board was really stuck, and hammering down a rod from the top did nothing. Rusting seems to have drastically increased it's thickness. I wish I had tried this puller right from the beginning.
Now which way do I hammer out the pivot pin? Does it matter? I heard once that it's tapered on one end, but I don't know which.
Sincerely, Tyler '81 M15 #157 "Defiant"
------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 19:09:25 -0700 From: "stevetrapp" <stevetrapp@q.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: Pocket Yacht Palooza Re: Do I need new sails Message-ID: <93AC2150E1C8434B9A5144A80B22E481@STEVEEW> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Klaas, Checked my British Columbia map and see that you're on the Strait of Georgia on the Vancouver side. There is an active M-boat community to your south, on Puget Sound. I suggest visiting the Pocket Yacht Palooza at Port Townsend on July 19 - 20. You could sail, or drive around, or take the Victoria Ferry across. There will be other M-boaters there with their boats, as well as vendors, probably including sail makers. I plan to drive, too far from the South end of Puget Sound to sail my M-15. Steve M-15 # 335 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Klaas" <santaklaas@telus.net> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2014 6:02 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Do I need new sails
Thanks to all that replied to my question about geting new sails . Someone asked where I sail and I'm living and sailing out of Richmond B.C. so I hope to find a local sailmaker . Thanks once again to all that answered KLaas ----- Original Message ----- From: <montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2014 4:17 PM Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 136, Issue 6
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1. Re: Do I need new sails (jerry montgomery) 2. Delivery Status Notification Re: Do I need new sails (stevetrapp) 3. Re: Delivery Status Notification Re: Do I need new sails (Thomas Buzzi) 4. Re: Do I need new sails (Thomas Buzzi) 5. Re: Delivery Status Notification Re: Do I need new sails (Rich Makela) 6. Mast gates (Thomas Buzzi) 7. Re: Delivery Status Notification Re: Do I need new sails (Thomas Buzzi) 8. Re: Mast gates (Dave Scobie) 9. Re: Mast gates (Thomas Buzzi) 10. Re: Delivery Status Notification Re: Do I need new sails (Dave Scobie) 11. Re: Delivery Status Notification Re: Do I need new sails (Dave Scobie) 12. Re: Delivery Status Notification Re: Do I need new sails (Thomas Buzzi) 13. Re: Do I need new sails (Daniel Rich) 14. Re: Mast gates (Rick Davies) 15. Re: Do I need new sails (Dave Scobie)
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Message: 1 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 11:27:47 -0700 From: "jerry montgomery" <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Do I need new sails Message-ID: <E9520C239F8148D8B9ED117C279EB144@jerryws10> Content-Type: text/plain; format="flowed"; charset="windows-1252"; reply-type="original"
All the 15's that I made had the same rig. i can't speak for more recent production. I've heard that masts are longer now, but I haven't measured one.
jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Rich" <danielgrich@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2014 9:29 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Do I need new sails
Yup. You need new sails. And sails for the M15 are quite reasonably priced. I got mine from JudyB at Hyde. She did a fantastic job. Measurements are key, as all these older M boats can have some slight differences. New sails change the boat so much you won?t believe it.
Which reminds me, Judy, I owe you some money and some sails!
Daniel Rich M15 #208 "Kestrel" danielgrich@gmail.com
On Jun 15, 2014, at 9:26 AM, Klaas <santaklaas@telus.net> wrote:
Hi I know this question has been asked before But can't recall the advise that was given. So here it is: I have a 1985 M15 for about 3 years and I just started noticing that the main hangs down about 4 inches at the back. Is this normal or are my 29 year old sails done for and I need new sails? Also where can I find out the sail dimensions for my 1985 M15 is there a web page somewhere ?? Thanks Klaas
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Message: 2 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 11:28:55 -0700 From: "stevetrapp" <stevetrapp@q.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: Delivery Status Notification Re: Do I need new sails Message-ID: <176546BFFE574B578D72B66BC94EBCE6@STEVEEW> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original
I have been getting "Delivery Status Notification" indicating that what I send to montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com is not working, but I also get replies from M-boat folks like you, so I guess it really is working. I do not understand the techy stuff involved. I think if I get replies the techy stuff is doing something. Frankly I do not trust a lot of techy stuff, which is among the reasons I like my M-15, not much techy stuff to do with it or to go wrong. Steve M-15 # 335
----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2014 9:47 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Do I need new sails
Daniel, As long as you are considering new sails, look into having the main made as a loose footed one. The tack and clew will have to be reinforced more than the usual and you will need to install a bit better mechanical advantage on the outhaul fittings as you will be using it to trim the draft on the main but the boost in performance is said to be considerable. I am looking at new sails for the M17 I have and am seriously considering going the loose footed route. Please reply to this email as I have concerns that my missives to this website are not getting through to anybody. Thanks, Tom B, M17, 1978
On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
Yup. You need new sails. And sails for the M15 are quite reasonably priced. I got mine from JudyB at Hyde. She did a fantastic job. Measurements are key, as all these older M boats can have some slight differences. New sails change the boat so much you won?t believe it.
Which reminds me, Judy, I owe you some money and some sails!
Daniel Rich M15 #208 "Kestrel" danielgrich@gmail.com
On Jun 15, 2014, at 9:26 AM, Klaas <santaklaas@telus.net> wrote:
Hi I know this question has been asked before But can't recall the advise that was given. So here it is: I have a 1985 M15 for about 3 years and I just started noticing that the main hangs down about 4 inches at the back. Is this normal or are my 29 year old sails done for and I need new sails? Also where can I find out the sail dimensions for my 1985 M15 is there a web page somewhere ?? Thanks Klaas
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Message: 3 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 14:26:18 -0500 From: Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Delivery Status Notification Re: Do I need new sails Message-ID: <CA+TbpAWzhwg4xaBTTVHaHh2A3-LcCXQqzX7rFiHda3BTvToACw@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Thanks for the feedback Steve. Ditto on the "techy stuff". I also get the xmissions trouble notification stuff. Very perturbing since this in one of my favorite sites to kibitz on. Tom B. very low tech M17 #258
On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 1:28 PM, stevetrapp <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
I have been getting "Delivery Status Notification" indicating that what I send to montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com is not working, but I also get replies from M-boat folks like you, so I guess it really is working. I do not understand the techy stuff involved. I think if I get replies the techy stuff is doing something. Frankly I do not trust a lot of techy stuff, which is among the reasons I like my M-15, not much techy stuff to do with it or to go wrong. Steve M-15 # 335
----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman. xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2014 9:47 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Do I need new sails
Daniel, As long as you are considering new sails, look into having the main made as a loose footed one. The tack and clew will have to be reinforced more than the usual and you will need to install a bit better mechanical advantage on the outhaul fittings as you will be using it to trim the draft on the main but the boost in performance is said to be considerable. I am looking at new sails for the M17 I have and am seriously considering going the loose footed route. Please reply to this email as I have concerns that my missives to this website are not getting through to anybody. Thanks, Tom B, M17, 1978
On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
Yup. You need new sails. And sails for the M15 are quite reasonably
priced. I got mine from JudyB at Hyde. She did a fantastic job. Measurements are key, as all these older M boats can have some slight differences. New sails change the boat so much you won?t believe it.
Which reminds me, Judy, I owe you some money and some sails!
Daniel Rich M15 #208 "Kestrel" danielgrich@gmail.com
On Jun 15, 2014, at 9:26 AM, Klaas <santaklaas@telus.net> wrote:
Hi I know this question has been asked before But can't recall the advise that was given. So here it is: I have a 1985 M15 for about 3 years and I just started noticing that the main hangs down about 4 inches at the back. Is this normal or are my 29 year old sails done for and I need new sails? Also where can I find out the sail dimensions for my 1985 M15 is there a web page somewhere ?? Thanks Klaas
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Message: 4 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 14:43:43 -0500 From: Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Do I need new sails Message-ID: <CA+TbpAVHZcVh=583xS+yCUnMrT5M3-atPfkHQQJkRgZ7O920Fg@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Daniel, thanks for the performance report. Tom B
On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 11:52 AM, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
I have the new sails. They are loose footed, and that is the way to go. Much more control of the trim, and just looks pretty too. The Hyde sails are really well made, and have fittings on them that would work for a larger boat. Truly well done. I also have draft stripes on them to help me visualize shape.
My message was a bit confusing because what happened when I ordered my sails is that the main fit perfectly, but the jib was too big. We just messed up on the detail needed for the measurements. JudyB was terrific, and remade the jib for me. I also got a 90 and a 128 percent jib. I still have to send her back the ones that don?t fit, and I got an extra sail so I want to pay her for that.
Daniel On Jun 15, 2014, at 9:47 AM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Daniel, As long as you are considering new sails, look into having the main made as a loose footed one. The tack and clew will have to be reinforced more than the usual and you will need to install a bit better mechanical advantage on the outhaul fittings as you will be using it to trim the draft on the main but the boost in performance is said to be considerable. I am looking at new sails for the M17 I have and am seriously considering going the loose footed route. Please reply to this email as I have concerns that my missives to this website are not getting through to anybody. Thanks, Tom B, M17, 1978
On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
Yup. You need new sails. And sails for the M15 are quite reasonably priced. I got mine from JudyB at Hyde. She did a fantastic job. Measurements are key, as all these older M boats can have some slight differences. New sails change the boat so much you won?t believe it.
Which reminds me, Judy, I owe you some money and some sails!
Daniel Rich M15 #208 "Kestrel" danielgrich@gmail.com
On Jun 15, 2014, at 9:26 AM, Klaas <santaklaas@telus.net> wrote:
Hi I know this question has been asked before But can't recall the advise that was given. So here it is: I have a 1985 M15 for about 3 years and I just started noticing that the main hangs down about 4 inches at the back. Is this normal or are my 29 year old sails done for and I need new sails? Also where can I find out the sail dimensions for my 1985 M15 is there a web page somewhere ?? Thanks Klaas
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Message: 5 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 15:29:06 -0500 From: "Rich Makela" <richmak@makelaperformance.com> To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Delivery Status Notification Re: Do I need new sails Message-ID: <003601cf88d8$7686c150$639443f0$@makelaperformance.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
I received a Delivery Status Notification for the message I sent just after noon today. The Delivery Status Notification arrived a few minutes after my message showed up on the forum. The message comes from system-user@mms.mycricket.com . I had the same thing happen on June 4. I've never seen this kind of thing before. A Google search revealed that mms.mycrickiet.com may not even be a legitimate URL.
Rich Makela M-17 #233 - Harmony
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Buzzi Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2014 2:26 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Delivery Status Notification Re: Do I need new sails
Thanks for the feedback Steve. Ditto on the "techy stuff". I also get the xmissions trouble notification stuff. Very perturbing since this in one of my favorite sites to kibitz on. Tom B. very low tech M17 #258
On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 1:28 PM, stevetrapp <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
I have been getting "Delivery Status Notification" indicating that what I send to montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com is not working, but I also get replies from M-boat folks like you, so I guess it really is working. I do not understand the techy stuff involved. I think if I get replies the techy stuff is doing something. Frankly I do not trust a lot of techy stuff, which is among the reasons I like my M-15, not much techy stuff to do with it or to go wrong. Steve M-15 # 335
----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman. xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2014 9:47 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Do I need new sails
Daniel, As long as you are considering new sails, look into having the main made as a loose footed one. The tack and clew will have to be reinforced more than the usual and you will need to install a bit better mechanical advantage on the outhaul fittings as you will be using it to trim the draft on the main but the boost in performance is said to be considerable. I am looking at new sails for the M17 I have and am seriously considering going the loose footed route. Please reply to this email as I have concerns that my missives to this website are not getting through to anybody. Thanks, Tom B, M17, 1978
On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
Yup. You need new sails. And sails for the M15 are quite reasonably
priced. I got mine from JudyB at Hyde. She did a fantastic job. Measurements are key, as all these older M boats can have some slight differences. New sails change the boat so much you won?t believe it.
Which reminds me, Judy, I owe you some money and some sails!
Daniel Rich M15 #208 "Kestrel" danielgrich@gmail.com
On Jun 15, 2014, at 9:26 AM, Klaas <santaklaas@telus.net> wrote:
Hi I know this question has been asked before But can't recall the advise that was given. So here it is: I have a 1985 M15 for about 3 years and I just started noticing that the main hangs down about 4 inches at the back. Is this normal or are my 29 year old sails done for and I need new sails? Also where can I find out the sail dimensions for my 1985 M15 is there a web page somewhere ?? Thanks Klaas
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Message: 6 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 15:32:56 -0500 From: Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Mast gates Message-ID: <CA+TbpAXJgUVtv3GUhbWn9W96GF0O1raKeQGY0WHq+BaHZWq=yQ@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
After getting the brochure about the Mastgate product line of products I was surprised to find that the mastgate itself is held in place with just shock cord. Has anybody installed one of these and found it to withstand the various strains and pressures placed upon it such that it didn't dent or pop out of place or malfunction in any other fashion? Would like to hear about your experiences with this product. Thanks, Tom B M17, #258
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Message: 7 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 15:37:01 -0500 From: Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Delivery Status Notification Re: Do I need new sails Message-ID: <CA+TbpAUcjLj3D1DBsTwz4dAq6AnPAoVPGqdUs4fqrdPGqHMgAQ@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Rich, I just went through the process of unsubscribing and resubscribing to this site to try to clear up this kind of problem. Annoying to say the least. Do you think there is some sort of hacking or just plain mucking around going on?? I also just sent in a request to the members concerning the "Mastgate" product being all it is claimed to be. Be interesting to see if that shows up and how it goes. Tom B
On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 3:29 PM, Rich Makela <richmak@makelaperformance.com> wrote:
I received a Delivery Status Notification for the message I sent just after noon today. The Delivery Status Notification arrived a few minutes after my message showed up on the forum. The message comes from system-user@mms.mycricket.com . I had the same thing happen on June 4. I've never seen this kind of thing before. A Google search revealed that mms.mycrickiet.com may not even be a legitimate URL.
Rich Makela M-17 #233 - Harmony
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats [mailto: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Buzzi Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2014 2:26 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Delivery Status Notification Re: Do I need new sails
Thanks for the feedback Steve. Ditto on the "techy stuff". I also get the xmissions trouble notification stuff. Very perturbing since this in one of my favorite sites to kibitz on. Tom B. very low tech M17 #258
On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 1:28 PM, stevetrapp <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
I have been getting "Delivery Status Notification" indicating that what I send to montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com is not working, but I also get replies from M-boat folks like you, so I guess it really is working. I do not understand the techy stuff involved. I think if I get replies the techy stuff is doing something. Frankly I do not trust a lot of techy stuff, which is among the reasons I like my M-15, not much techy stuff to do with it or to go wrong. Steve M-15 # 335
----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman. xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2014 9:47 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Do I need new sails
Daniel, As long as you are considering new sails, look into having the main made as a loose footed one. The tack and clew will have to be reinforced more than the usual and you will need to install a bit better mechanical advantage on the outhaul fittings as you will be using it to trim the draft on the main but the boost in performance is said to be considerable. I am looking at new sails for the M17 I have and am seriously considering going the loose footed route. Please reply to this email as I have concerns that my missives to this website are not getting through to anybody. Thanks, Tom B, M17, 1978
On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
Yup. You need new sails. And sails for the M15 are quite reasonably
priced. I got mine from JudyB at Hyde. She did a fantastic job. Measurements are key, as all these older M boats can have some slight differences. New sails change the boat so much you won?t believe it.
Which reminds me, Judy, I owe you some money and some sails!
Daniel Rich M15 #208 "Kestrel" danielgrich@gmail.com
On Jun 15, 2014, at 9:26 AM, Klaas <santaklaas@telus.net> wrote:
Hi I know this question has been asked before But can't recall the advise that was given. So here it is: I have a 1985 M15 for about 3 years and I just started noticing that the main hangs down about 4 inches at the back. Is this normal or are my 29 year old sails done for and I need new sails? Also where can I find out the sail dimensions for my 1985 M15 is there a web page somewhere ?? Thanks Klaas
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Message: 8 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 14:37:58 -0600 From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Mast gates Message-ID: <CAGjBOA4Q218LcOFramzoPAuRirtL8wUq90toEzmzrdzqbAQVEQ@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
I installed one on Sal's and Gail's m15 a couple of years ago when I built them a new standing rig. It has worked just fine.
I have also installed the mastgate on a half dozen sage 17's and all are working fine. I'm installing a mastgate on a brand new sage 17 in the next couple of weeks.
Give Tom a call, or email, and he can describe the system in detail. Very easy to install, and it works great.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA :: Former M15 owner On Jun 15, 2014 2:33 PM, "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
After getting the brochure about the Mastgate product line of products I was surprised to find that the mastgate itself is held in place with just shock cord. Has anybody installed one of these and found it to withstand the various strains and pressures placed upon it such that it didn't dent or pop out of place or malfunction in any other fashion? Would like to hear about your experiences with this product. Thanks, Tom B M17, #258
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Message: 9 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 15:40:40 -0500 From: Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Mast gates Message-ID: <CA+TbpAUQmdbx9vS_VciSb0tPLKfJfS_T9VZ5gyiXMqXxwB=B_w@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Thanks, Dave, Good news. Guess that goes on my "todo" list. Tom B
On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 3:37 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
I installed one on Sal's and Gail's m15 a couple of years ago when I built them a new standing rig. It has worked just fine.
I have also installed the mastgate on a half dozen sage 17's and all are working fine. I'm installing a mastgate on a brand new sage 17 in the next couple of weeks.
Give Tom a call, or email, and he can describe the system in detail. Very easy to install, and it works great.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA :: Former M15 owner On Jun 15, 2014 2:33 PM, "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
After getting the brochure about the Mastgate product line of products I was surprised to find that the mastgate itself is held in place with just shock cord. Has anybody installed one of these and found it to withstand the various strains and pressures placed upon it such that it didn't dent or pop out of place or malfunction in any other fashion? Would like to hear about your experiences with this product. Thanks, Tom B M17, #258
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Message: 10 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 14:41:45 -0600 From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Delivery Status Notification Re: Do I need new sails Message-ID: <CAGjBOA6AZxX6TknXEnBT85D=tWZcwPZNix3GkGxXuOpLJ0aMxw@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
This error message relates to problems with this older listproc software and newer email provider protocols (such as yahoo.com, gmail.com, AOL.com) are using. I had to give up using yahoo.com email and use Gmail. It has worked .... mostly.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA :: Former M15 owner On Jun 15, 2014 2:37 PM, "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Rich, I just went through the process of unsubscribing and resubscribing to this site to try to clear up this kind of problem. Annoying to say the least. Do you think there is some sort of hacking or just plain mucking around going on?? I also just sent in a request to the members concerning the "Mastgate" product being all it is claimed to be. Be interesting to see if that shows up and how it goes. Tom B
On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 3:29 PM, Rich Makela < richmak@makelaperformance.com> wrote:
I received a Delivery Status Notification for the message I sent just after noon today. The Delivery Status Notification arrived a few minutes after my message showed up on the forum. The message comes from system-user@mms.mycricket.com . I had the same thing happen on June 4. I've never seen this kind of thing before. A Google search revealed that mms.mycrickiet.com may not even be a legitimate URL.
Rich Makela M-17 #233 - Harmony
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats [mailto: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Buzzi Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2014 2:26 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Delivery Status Notification Re: Do I need new sails
Thanks for the feedback Steve. Ditto on the "techy stuff". I also get the xmissions trouble notification stuff. Very perturbing since this in one of my favorite sites to kibitz on. Tom B. very low tech M17 #258
On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 1:28 PM, stevetrapp <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
I have been getting "Delivery Status Notification" indicating that what I send to montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com is not working, but I also get replies from M-boat folks like you, so I guess it really is working. I do not understand the techy stuff involved. I think if I get replies the techy stuff is doing something. Frankly I do not trust a lot of techy stuff, which is among the reasons I like my M-15, not much techy stuff to do with it or to go wrong. Steve M-15 # 335
----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman. xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2014 9:47 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Do I need new sails
Daniel, As long as you are considering new sails, look into having the main made as a loose footed one. The tack and clew will have to be reinforced more than the usual and you will need to install a bit better mechanical advantage on the outhaul fittings as you will be using it to trim the draft on the main but the boost in performance is said to be considerable. I am looking at new sails for the M17 I have and am seriously considering going the loose footed route. Please reply to this email as I have concerns that my missives to this website are not getting through to anybody. Thanks, Tom B, M17, 1978
On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
Yup. You need new sails. And sails for the M15 are quite reasonably
priced. I got mine from JudyB at Hyde. She did a fantastic job. Measurements are key, as all these older M boats can have some slight differences. New sails change the boat so much you won?t believe it.
Which reminds me, Judy, I owe you some money and some sails!
Daniel Rich M15 #208 "Kestrel" danielgrich@gmail.com
On Jun 15, 2014, at 9:26 AM, Klaas <santaklaas@telus.net> wrote:
> Hi I know this question has been asked before But can't recall the advise that was given. So here it is: I have a 1985 M15 for about 3 years and I just started noticing that the main hangs down about 4 inches at the back. Is this normal or are my 29 year old sails done for and I need new sails? Also where can I find out the sail dimensions for my 1985 M15 is there a web page somewhere ?? > Thanks > Klaas
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Message: 11 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 14:47:15 -0600 From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Delivery Status Notification Re: Do I need new sails Message-ID: <CAGjBOA71SWmohrAbq89Hw5CFEfSO=Ez1ziYA-VdHGixMF_nv6g@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
And as an example, the email I sent just a bit ago about the mastgate was listed as being 'unable to deliver' ... though it was delivered.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA :: Former M15 owner On Jun 15, 2014 2:41 PM, "Dave Scobie" <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
This error message relates to problems with this older listproc software and newer email provider protocols (such as yahoo.com, gmail.com, AOL.com) are using. I had to give up using yahoo.com email and use Gmail. It has worked .... mostly.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA :: Former M15 owner On Jun 15, 2014 2:37 PM, "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Rich, I just went through the process of unsubscribing and resubscribing to this site to try to clear up this kind of problem. Annoying to say the least. Do you think there is some sort of hacking or just plain mucking around going on?? I also just sent in a request to the members concerning the "Mastgate" product being all it is claimed to be. Be interesting to see if that shows up and how it goes. Tom B
On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 3:29 PM, Rich Makela < richmak@makelaperformance.com> wrote:
I received a Delivery Status Notification for the message I sent just after noon today. The Delivery Status Notification arrived a few minutes after my message showed up on the forum. The message comes from system-user@mms.mycricket.com . I had the same thing happen on June 4. I've never seen this kind of thing before. A Google search revealed that mms.mycrickiet.com may not even be a legitimate URL.
Rich Makela M-17 #233 - Harmony
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats [mailto: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Buzzi Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2014 2:26 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Delivery Status Notification Re: Do I need new sails
Thanks for the feedback Steve. Ditto on the "techy stuff". I also get the xmissions trouble notification stuff. Very perturbing since this in one of my favorite sites to kibitz on. Tom B. very low tech M17 #258
On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 1:28 PM, stevetrapp <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
I have been getting "Delivery Status Notification" indicating that what I send to montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com is not working, but I also get replies from M-boat folks like you, so I guess it really is working. I do not understand the techy stuff involved. I think if I get replies the techy stuff is doing something. Frankly I do not trust a lot of techy stuff, which is among the reasons I like my M-15, not much techy stuff to do with it or to go wrong. Steve M-15 # 335
----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman. xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2014 9:47 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Do I need new sails
Daniel, As long as you are considering new sails, look into having the main made as a loose footed one. The tack and clew will have to be reinforced more than the usual and you will need to install a bit better mechanical advantage on the outhaul fittings as you will be using it to trim the draft on the main but the boost in performance is said to be considerable. I am looking at new sails for the M17 I have and am seriously considering going the loose footed route. Please reply to this email as I have concerns that my missives to this website are not getting through to anybody. Thanks, Tom B, M17, 1978
On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
Yup. You need new sails. And sails for the M15 are quite reasonably > priced. I got mine from JudyB at Hyde. She did a fantastic job. > Measurements are key, as all these older M boats can have some > slight > differences. New sails change the boat so much you won?t believe > it. > > Which reminds me, Judy, I owe you some money and some sails! > > > > Daniel Rich > M15 #208 "Kestrel" > danielgrich@gmail.com > > > > On Jun 15, 2014, at 9:26 AM, Klaas <santaklaas@telus.net> wrote: > > > Hi I know this question has been asked before But can't recall > > the > advise that was given. So here it is: I have a 1985 M15 for about 3 > years and I just started noticing that the main hangs down about 4 > inches at the back. Is this normal or are my 29 year old sails done > for and I need new sails? Also where can I find out the sail > dimensions for my 1985 M15 is there a web page somewhere ?? > > Thanks > > Klaas > > >
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Message: 12 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 16:06:23 -0500 From: Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Delivery Status Notification Re: Do I need new sails Message-ID: <CA+TbpAX3pO8Vm0K0Snjsj7kVOhaLvq_qU9xO5tTEKtUEiikXWg@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Yes, Dave, I got that message. Fun. Tom B
On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 3:47 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
And as an example, the email I sent just a bit ago about the mastgate was listed as being 'unable to deliver' ... though it was delivered.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA :: Former M15 owner On Jun 15, 2014 2:41 PM, "Dave Scobie" <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
This error message relates to problems with this older listproc software and newer email provider protocols (such as yahoo.com, gmail.com, AOL.com) are using. I had to give up using yahoo.com email and use Gmail. It has worked .... mostly.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA :: Former M15 owner On Jun 15, 2014 2:37 PM, "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Rich, I just went through the process of unsubscribing and resubscribing to this site to try to clear up this kind of problem. Annoying to say the least. Do you think there is some sort of hacking or just plain mucking around going on?? I also just sent in a request to the members concerning the "Mastgate" product being all it is claimed to be. Be interesting to see if that shows up and how it goes. Tom B
On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 3:29 PM, Rich Makela < richmak@makelaperformance.com> wrote:
I received a Delivery Status Notification for the message I sent just after noon today. The Delivery Status Notification arrived a few minutes after my message showed up on the forum. The message comes from system-user@mms.mycricket.com . I had the same thing happen on June
I've never seen this kind of thing before. A Google search revealed that mms.mycrickiet.com may not even be a legitimate URL.
Rich Makela M-17 #233 - Harmony
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats [mailto: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Buzzi Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2014 2:26 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Delivery Status Notification Re: Do I need new sails
Thanks for the feedback Steve. Ditto on the "techy stuff". I also get the xmissions trouble notification stuff. Very perturbing since this in one of my favorite sites to kibitz on. Tom B. very low tech M17 #258
On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 1:28 PM, stevetrapp <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
> I have been getting "Delivery Status Notification" > indicating that what I send to montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com > is not working, but I also get replies from M-boat folks like you, so > I guess it really is working. I do not understand the techy stuff involved. > I think if I get replies the techy stuff is doing something. Frankly > I do not trust a lot of techy stuff, which is among the reasons I like > my M-15, not much techy stuff to do with it or to go wrong. > Steve > M-15 # 335 > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Buzzi" > <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" > <montgomery_boats@mailman. > xmission.com> > Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2014 9:47 AM > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Do I need new sails > > > Daniel, > As long as you are considering new sails, look into having the > main > made as a loose footed one. The tack and clew will have to be > reinforced more than the usual and you will need to install a bit > better mechanical advantage on the outhaul fittings as you will be > using it to trim the draft on the main but the boost in > performance is > said to be considerable. I am looking at new sails for the M17 I have > and am seriously considering going the loose footed route. > Please reply to this email as I have concerns that my missives to this > website are not getting through to anybody. > Thanks, > Tom B, M17, 1978 > > > On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Daniel Rich < danielgrich@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Yup. You need new sails. And sails for the M15 are quite > reasonably >> priced. I got mine from JudyB at Hyde. She did a fantastic job. >> Measurements are key, as all these older M boats can have some slight >> differences. New sails change the boat so much you won?t believe it. >> >> Which reminds me, Judy, I owe you some money and some sails! >> >> >> >> Daniel Rich >> M15 #208 "Kestrel" >> danielgrich@gmail.com >> >> >> >> On Jun 15, 2014, at 9:26 AM, Klaas <santaklaas@telus.net> wrote: >> >> > Hi I know this question has been asked before But can't recall the >> advise that was given. So here it is: I have a 1985 M15 for about >> 3 >> years and I just started noticing that the main hangs down about >> 4 >> inches at the back. Is this normal or are my 29 year old sails >> done >> for and I need new sails? Also where can I find out the sail >> dimensions for my 1985 M15 is there a web page somewhere ?? >> > Thanks >> > Klaas >> >> >> > >
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Message: 13 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 14:38:16 -0700 From: Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Do I need new sails Message-ID: <-7787852396803548498@unknownmsgid> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Interesting. My 1981 is a stock boat with 3 owners including me. Judy got the sail plans from you, but the jib was 6 inches too long!
Daniel
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On Jun 15, 2014, at 11:27 AM, jerry montgomery <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> wrote:
All the 15's that I made had the same rig. i can't speak for more recent production. I've heard that masts are longer now, but I haven't measured one.
jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Rich" <danielgrich@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2014 9:29 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Do I need new sails
Yup. You need new sails. And sails for the M15 are quite reasonably priced. I got mine from JudyB at Hyde. She did a fantastic job. Measurements are key, as all these older M boats can have some slight differences. New sails change the boat so much you won?t believe it.
Which reminds me, Judy, I owe you some money and some sails!
Daniel Rich M15 #208 "Kestrel" danielgrich@gmail.com
On Jun 15, 2014, at 9:26 AM, Klaas <santaklaas@telus.net> wrote:
Hi I know this question has been asked before But can't recall the advise that was given. So here it is: I have a 1985 M15 for about 3 years and I just started noticing that the main hangs down about 4 inches at the back. Is this normal or are my 29 year old sails done for and I need new sails? Also where can I find out the sail dimensions for my 1985 M15 is there a web page somewhere ?? Thanks Klaas
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Message: 14 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 17:57:07 -0400 From: Rick Davies <jdavies104@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Mast gates Message-ID: <CA+0OvVjppPn+nVB5xcZ9-tDbnsa28TEdZ_t-qi4ecstap2-FOQ@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Tom,
I've had one installed for a couple of seasons and it works great. The shock cord did lose some of it's zing after a while and I had to tighten it up, but it's been fine since. I was dubious myself at first, and do carry a spare bit of cord just in case, but it's held up well, and it sure beats futzing with a sail stop, and it lets me keep the sail on the boom with a cover. The buttons that cover the knots in the cord, however, don't stay on, so I just don't use them.
Good luck,
Rick M17 #633 Lynne L
On Sunday, June 15, 2014, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
After getting the brochure about the Mastgate product line of products I was surprised to find that the mastgate itself is held in place with just shock cord. Has anybody installed one of these and found it to withstand the various strains and pressures placed upon it such that it didn't dent or pop out of place or malfunction in any other fashion? Would like to hear about your experiences with this product. Thanks, Tom B M17, #258
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Message: 15 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 17:16:59 -0600 From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Do I need new sails Message-ID: <CAGjBOA502LzidiwL1FMX3-Jow9PWfC15mr39YsSXwXvjiqkktg@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Klaas, the likely cause for your clew is lower than the tack is the luff bolt rope has shrunk. original sails to a Jerry built boat ... any M15 built by Jerry ... are in need of replacement.
another sailmaker is Harry at Elliott/Pattison Sailmakers -
www.ep*sails*.com
Harry is the OEM loft for the current Mboats.
be sure to measure your boat before ordering sails ... there are variations. some of these could be caused by prior owner's. i've built new standing rigs for four M15s. two different measurements for four different boats. all boats built by Jerry.
a sail cleaning/conditioning service will not fix a blown out sail. such a service is good for cleaning a in good condition sail, say one less than 10 or so years old. no amount of conditioning can 'save' a 20+ year old sail.
order a new main with a loose foot. with improved outhaul hardware attached to the boom much MUCH more sail control.
besides a loose foot i recommend the main have two reef points. the working jib, about 128%, is a good working headsail. with a double reefed tucked in and the working jib (128%) the boat is good to a bit over 20 kts.
new sails are like 'turbo charging' your boat. she will sail faster, closer to the wind, and heel less.
-- :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com
On Jun 15, 2014, at 9:26 AM, Klaas <santaklaas@telus.net> wrote:
Hi I know this question has been asked before But can't recall the
advise
that was given. So here it is: I have a 1985 M15 for about 3 years and I just started noticing that the main hangs down about 4 inches at the back. Is this normal or are my 29 year old sails done for and I need new sails? Also where can I find out the sail dimensions for my 1985 M15 is there a web page somewhere ?? Thanks Klaas
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------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 20:54:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Ronald McNeil <ronaldwmcneil@yahoo.com> To: "montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: Thru-Hull drilling Message-ID: <1402890864.51517.YahooMailNeo@web163605.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hi, I need to add another through hull fitting to my M17 for a new bilge pump hose exit. I need to drill a 1" hole for my 3/4" fitting. I have a 1" wood drill bit but I'm afraid it will not make a clean cut. I looked in Home Depot and seen a 1" bit similar to a bit that you would use to drill out a door handle but the teeth were not close together so again I think it will cause some chipping.? Can anyone confirm my doubts or suggest a type of bit to use.. Thanks, Ron McNeil M17/Jackpot/#675 ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 00:12:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Sandy <sandyal55@aol.com> To: ronaldwmcneil@yahoo.com, montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Thru-Hull drilling Message-ID: <8D157305C28E431-FC4-39724@webmail-d254.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" When using a hole saw, you drill from one side and the pilot drill penetrates the other side. Then switch sides, and drill from the. opposite side. That way you won't splinter the fibreglass. -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com To: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sun, Jun 15, 2014 4:54 pm Subject: M_Boats: Thru-Hull drilling Hi, I need to add another through hull fitting to my M17 for a new bilge pump hose exit. I need to drill a 1" hole for my 3/4" fitting. I have a 1" wood drill bit but I'm afraid it will not make a clean cut. I looked in Home Depot and seen a 1" bit similar to a bit that you would use to drill out a door handle but the teeth were not close together so again I think it will cause some chipping. Can anyone confirm my doubts or suggest a type of bit to use.. Thanks, Ron McNeil M17/Jackpot/#675 ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 21:36:33 -0700 From: Larry Yake <larryyake@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Thru-Hull drilling Message-ID: <CANjZbon+xH54H5wLdyrYD3=3qmmvK_m4N__=+tiLJKKJgS37yA@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Also, drill the first part of the hole in reverse. The teeth won't grab and chip the gel coat but will score a nice smooth groove. Do both sides this way before drilling on through. Larry Y M17 CornDog On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 9:12 PM, Sandy via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
When using a hole saw, you drill from one side and the pilot drill penetrates the other side. Then switch sides, and drill from the. opposite side. That way you won't splinter the fibreglass.
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com To: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sun, Jun 15, 2014 4:54 pm Subject: M_Boats: Thru-Hull drilling
Hi, I need to add another through hull fitting to my M17 for a new bilge pump hose exit. I need to drill a 1" hole for my 3/4" fitting. I have a 1" wood drill bit but I'm afraid it will not make a clean cut. I looked in Home Depot and seen a 1" bit similar to a bit that you would use to drill out a door handle but the teeth were not close together so again I think it will cause some chipping. Can anyone confirm my doubts or suggest a type of bit to use..
Thanks, Ron McNeil M17/Jackpot/#675
------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 07:55:28 -0400 (EDT) From: wcampion@aol.com To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Got the centerboard down! Message-ID: <8D157710061BFDC-2E68-6BF@webmail-d294.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Nice pics Tyler. It appears, once again, necessity is the mother of invention!! Nice and effective design Jim. I will file this away for future (I really hope not) reference. Skip Campion M-15 #201 M-5.8 #24 -----Original Message----- From: Tyler Backman <casioqv@usermail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sun, Jun 15, 2014 9:47 pm Subject: M_Boats: Got the centerboard down! I got the stuck centerboard on my M15 out with a puller (see photos) based on a design by Jim Sadler. The board was really stuck, and hammering down a rod from the top did nothing. Rusting seems to have drastically increased it's thickness. I wish I had tried this puller right from the beginning. Now which way do I hammer out the pivot pin? Does it matter? I heard once that it's tapered on one end, but I don't know which. Sincerely, Tyler '81 M15 #157 "Defiant" ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 07:14:55 -0700 From: Ronald McNeil <ronaldwmcneil@yahoo.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Thru-Hull drilling Message-ID: <1402928095.6663.YahooMailNeo@web163605.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thanks Larry this helps. Regards, Ron On Sunday, June 15, 2014 9:38 PM, Larry Yake <larryyake@gmail.com> wrote: Also, drill the first part of the hole in reverse. The teeth won't grab and chip the gel coat but will score a nice smooth groove. Do both sides this way before drilling on through. Larry Y M17 CornDog On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 9:12 PM, Sandy via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
When using a hole saw, you drill from one side and the pilot drill penetrates the other side. Then switch sides, and drill from the. opposite side. That way you won't splinter the fibreglass.
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com To: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>
Sent: Sun, Jun 15, 2014 4:54 pm Subject: M_Boats: Thru-Hull drilling
Hi, I need to add another through hull fitting to my M17 for a new bilge pump hose exit. I need to drill a 1" hole for my 3/4" fitting. I have a 1" wood drill bit but I'm afraid it will not make a clean cut. I looked in Home Depot and seen a 1" bit similar to a bit that you would use to drill out a door handle but the teeth were not close together so again I think it will cause some chipping. Can anyone confirm my doubts or suggest a type of bit to use..
Thanks, Ron McNeil M17/Jackpot/#675
------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 08:37:01 -0600 From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> To: Ronald McNeil <ronaldwmcneil@yahoo.com>, For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Thru-Hull drilling Message-ID: <CAGjBOA4Du6ciESRaNSj3d8CtcrwBYhskdEWGwNZSmn=we6x9UA@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Ron: the hole saws we use in the shop are made by Lenox. link below so you can see pictures of the 'saws' - http://www.lenoxtools.com/pages/lenox-hole-saws.aspx use a hole saw for anything larger than 1/2". follow instructions for drilling hole as already shared by Sandy and Larry. -- :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com
On Sunday, June 15, 2014 9:38 PM, Larry Yake <larryyake@gmail.com> wrote:
Also, drill the first part of the hole in reverse. The teeth won't grab and chip the gel coat but will score a nice smooth groove. Do both sides this way before drilling on through.
Larry Y M17 CornDog
On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 9:12 PM, Sandy via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
When using a hole saw, you drill from one side and the pilot drill penetrates the other side. Then switch sides, and drill from the. opposite side. That way you won't splinter the fibreglass.
-----Original Message----- Sent: Sun, Jun 15, 2014 4:54 pm
Hi, I need to add another through hull fitting to my M17 for a new bilge pump hose exit. I need to drill a 1" hole for my 3/4" fitting. I have a 1" wood drill bit but I'm afraid it will not make a clean cut. I looked in Home Depot and seen a 1" bit similar to a bit that you would use to drill out a door handle but the teeth were not close together so again I think it will cause some chipping. Can anyone confirm my doubts or suggest a type of bit to use..
Thanks, Ron McNeil M17/Jackpot/#675
------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 09:48:22 -0500 From: Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Delivery Status Notification Re: Do I need new sails Message-ID: <CA+TbpAVqmkJ_iY_MO_DUHORMK_3AynP6ST+kQfXqhSYG-y5q9Q@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Yes, good to hear this "list proc" stuff is there. I was afraid my computer just didn't like me anymore. Tom B, M17 #258 On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 8:15 PM, Becky Belding <becky@beckybelding.com> wrote:
I also get a message at times from ?system-user@mms.mycricket.com? ...but turns out my post may show up anyway?
I am glad you mentioned this! I wasn?t sure what to do about it.
Becky
1985 M17 "Grace"
#393
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats [mailto: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Buzzi Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2014 2:06 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Delivery Status Notification Re: Do I need new sails
Yes, Dave, I got that message. Fun.
Tom B
On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 3:47 PM, Dave Scobie < <mailto: scoobscobie@gmail.com> scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
And as an example, the email I sent just a bit ago about the mastgate
was listed as being 'unable to deliver' ... though it was delivered.
:: Dave Scobie
:: M17 #375 SWEET PEA
:: Former M15 owner
On Jun 15, 2014 2:41 PM, "Dave Scobie" < <mailto:scoobscobie@gmail.com> scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
This error message relates to problems with this older listproc
software and newer email provider protocols (such as yahoo.com,
gmail.com,
AOL.com) are using. I had to give up using yahoo.com email and use
Gmail.
It has worked .... mostly.
:: Dave Scobie
:: M17 #375 SWEET PEA
:: Former M15 owner
On Jun 15, 2014 2:37 PM, "Thomas Buzzi" < <mailto: thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Rich,
I just went through the process of unsubscribing and resubscribing
to this site to try to clear up this kind of problem. Annoying to
say the
least.
Do you think there is some sort of hacking or just plain mucking
around going on??
I also just sent in a request to the members concerning the "Mastgate"
product being all it is claimed to be. Be interesting to see if
that
shows
up and how it goes.
Tom B
On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 3:29 PM, Rich Makela <
<mailto:richmak@makelaperformance.com> richmak@makelaperformance.com
wrote:
I received a Delivery Status Notification for the message I sent
just after noon today. The Delivery Status Notification arrived
a few
minutes
after my message showed up on the forum. The message comes from
<mailto:system-user@mms.mycricket.com> system-user@mms.mycricket.com . I had the same thing happen on
June
4.
I've never seen this kind of thing before. A Google search
revealed
that
mms.mycrickiet.com may not even be a legitimate URL.
Rich Makela
M-17 #233 - Harmony
-----Original Message-----
From: montgomery_boats [mailto:
<mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com> montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of
Thomas
Buzzi
Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2014 2:26 PM
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Delivery Status Notification Re: Do I need
new
sails
Thanks for the feedback Steve. Ditto on the "techy stuff". I also
get
the
xmissions trouble notification stuff. Very perturbing since this
in
one
of
my favorite sites to kibitz on.
Tom B. very low tech M17 #258
On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 1:28 PM, stevetrapp < <mailto: stevetrapp@q.com> stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
I have been getting "Delivery Status Notification"
indicating that what I send to
<mailto:montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com
is not working, but I also get replies from M-boat folks like
you,
so
I guess it really is working. I do not understand the techy
stuff
involved.
I think if I get replies the techy stuff is doing something.
Frankly
I do not trust a lot of techy stuff, which is among the reasons
I
like
my M-15, not much techy stuff to do with it or to go wrong.
Steve
M-15 # 335
----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Buzzi"
< <mailto:thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com>
To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.
xmission.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2014 9:47 AM
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Do I need new sails
Daniel,
As long as you are considering new sails, look into having the
main made as a loose footed one. The tack and clew will have to
be reinforced more than the usual and you will need to install
a bit better mechanical advantage on the outhaul fittings as
you will be using it to trim the draft on the main but the
boost in performance
is
said to be considerable. I am looking at new sails for the M17
I
have
and am seriously considering going the loose footed route.
Please reply to this email as I have concerns that my missives
to
this
website are not getting through to anybody.
Thanks,
Tom B, M17, 1978
On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Daniel Rich <
<mailto:danielgrich@gmail.com> danielgrich@gmail.com>
wrote:
Yup. You need new sails. And sails for the M15 are quite
reasonably
> priced. I got mine from JudyB at Hyde. She did a fantastic job.
> Measurements are key, as all these older M boats can have some
slight
> differences. New sails change the boat so much you won?t
> believe
it.
>
> Which reminds me, Judy, I owe you some money and some sails!
>
>
>
> Daniel Rich
> M15 #208 "Kestrel"
> <mailto:danielgrich@gmail.com> danielgrich@gmail.com
>
>
>
> On Jun 15, 2014, at 9:26 AM, Klaas < <mailto: santaklaas@telus.net> santaklaas@telus.net> wrote:
>
> > Hi I know this question has been asked before But can't
> > recall
the
> advise that was given. So here it is: I have a 1985 M15 for
> about 3 years and I just started noticing that the main hangs
> down about 4 inches at the back. Is this normal or are my 29
> year old sails done for and I need new sails? Also where can I
> find out the sail dimensions for my 1985 M15 is there a web page somewhere ??
> > Thanks
> > Klaas
>
>
>
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I am listing my M-15, Dream Catcher, for sale.It was a difficult decision, but it is time to move on to new adventures.It is a 1983 model, tan with a dark brown stake, and tanbark sails about the same color as the strake.I bought the boat in 1997.Since then I have made several modifications and replaced/upgraded almost everythingon the boat.Following is a list of some of the things I can remember. The boat is currently at Lost Creek Lake near Medford Oregon and will be until mid-September. Asking $6,250 I won't have internet until 6/22.So pictures will come later. Questions? -541-991-0915Don ================================================================================ HIN: MMP152480383 Sails: Tanbark main and 150 genoa and a Drifter.All three made by Kern’s Sails.I also have the original McKibben mainsail and another genoa.Mains have a single reef point.Sailrite mainsail cover. Genoa tracks are mounted on the cockpit coaming. CD1 furler: Boom Vang Replaced original centerboard with a lead (?) ballast version.Purchased from Bob Eng. All standing rigging replaced. All running rigging replaced.All rope main halyard. 2005 Honda 2HP, short shaft.Adjustable motor mount. Original interior cushions are in good shape. Porta potty. Thetford 135.New model resized to fit in the older m15’s. Two anchors and rode.Danforth, 12# and a 3# lunch hook. Stainless steel mast support. Original Trail Rite trailer, painted dark brown,new tires and spare in 2012 I think. Other stuff Wisker pole, boat hook, 4 life jackets, cockpit cushions, 4 bumpers, gas can, bow pulpit, dock lines
pictures of Dream Catcher here - On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 2:44 PM, Don <sailmonty15@gmail.com> wrote:
I am listing my M-15, Dream Catcher, for sale.It was a difficult decision, but it is time to move on to new adventures.It is a 1983 model, tan with a dark brown stake, and tanbark sails about the same color as the strake.I bought the boat in 1997.Since then I have made several modifications and replaced/upgraded almost everythingon the boat.Following is a list of some of the things I can remember.
The boat is currently at Lost Creek Lake near Medford Oregon and will be until mid-September.
Asking $6,250
I won't have internet until 6/22.So pictures will come later.
Questions? -541-991-0915Don
============================================================ ====================
HIN: MMP152480383
Sails: Tanbark main and 150 genoa and a Drifter.All three made by Kern’s Sails.I also have the original McKibben mainsail and another genoa.Mains have a single reef point.Sailrite mainsail cover.
Genoa tracks are mounted on the cockpit coaming.
CD1 furler:
Boom Vang
Replaced original centerboard with a lead (?) ballast version.Purchased from Bob Eng.
All standing rigging replaced.
All running rigging replaced.All rope main halyard.
2005 Honda 2HP, short shaft.Adjustable motor mount.
Original interior cushions are in good shape.
Porta potty. Thetford 135.New model resized to fit in the older m15’s.
Two anchors and rode.Danforth, 12# and a 3# lunch hook.
Stainless steel mast support.
Original Trail Rite trailer, painted dark brown,new tires and spare in 2012 I think.
Other stuff
Wisker pole, boat hook, 4 life jackets, cockpit cushions, 4 bumpers, gas can, bow pulpit, dock lines
-- :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com
pictures of Dream Catcher here - http://msogphotosite.com/m15haas.html click on the 'empty photo outlines' and the photos will open. -- :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 2:44 PM, Don <sailmonty15@gmail.com> wrote:
I am listing my M-15, Dream Catcher, for sale.It was a difficult decision, but it is time to move on to new adventures.It is a 1983 model, tan with a dark brown stake, and tanbark sails about the same color as the strake.I bought the boat in 1997.Since then I have made several modifications and replaced/upgraded almost everythingon the boat.Following is a list of some of the things I can remember.
The boat is currently at Lost Creek Lake near Medford Oregon and will be until mid-September.
Asking $6,250
I won't have internet until 6/22.So pictures will come later.
Questions? -541-991-0915Don
================================================================================
HIN: MMP152480383
Sails: Tanbark main and 150 genoa and a Drifter.All three made by Kern’s Sails.I also have the original McKibben mainsail and another genoa.Mains have a single reef point.Sailrite mainsail cover.
Genoa tracks are mounted on the cockpit coaming.
CD1 furler:
Boom Vang
Replaced original centerboard with a lead (?) ballast version.Purchased from Bob Eng.
All standing rigging replaced.
All running rigging replaced.All rope main halyard.
2005 Honda 2HP, short shaft.Adjustable motor mount.
Original interior cushions are in good shape.
Porta potty. Thetford 135.New model resized to fit in the older m15’s.
Two anchors and rode.Danforth, 12# and a 3# lunch hook.
Stainless steel mast support.
Original Trail Rite trailer, painted dark brown,new tires and spare in 2012 I think.
Other stuff
Wisker pole, boat hook, 4 life jackets, cockpit cushions, 4 bumpers, gas can, bow pulpit, dock lines
Another Monty for sale, this one near Austin. http://www.sailboatlistings.com/view/43777 On 6/16/2014 4:44 PM, Don wrote:
I am listing my M-15, Dream Catcher, for sale.It was a difficult decision, but it is time to move on to new adventures.It is a 1983 model, tan with a dark brown stake, and tanbark sails about the same color as the strake.I bought the boat in 1997.Since then I have made several modifications and replaced/upgraded almost everythingon the boat.Following is a list of some of the things I can remember.
The boat is currently at Lost Creek Lake near Medford Oregon and will be until mid-September.
Asking $6,250
I won't have internet until 6/22.So pictures will come later.
Questions? -541-991-0915Don
================================================================================
HIN: MMP152480383
Sails: Tanbark main and 150 genoa and a Drifter.All three made by Kern’s Sails.I also have the original McKibben mainsail and another genoa.Mains have a single reef point.Sailrite mainsail cover.
Genoa tracks are mounted on the cockpit coaming.
CD1 furler:
Boom Vang
Replaced original centerboard with a lead (?) ballast version.Purchased from Bob Eng.
All standing rigging replaced.
All running rigging replaced.All rope main halyard.
2005 Honda 2HP, short shaft.Adjustable motor mount.
Original interior cushions are in good shape.
Porta potty. Thetford 135.New model resized to fit in the older m15’s.
Two anchors and rode.Danforth, 12# and a 3# lunch hook.
Stainless steel mast support.
Original Trail Rite trailer, painted dark brown,new tires and spare in 2012 I think.
Other stuff
Wisker pole, boat hook, 4 life jackets, cockpit cushions, 4 bumpers, gas can, bow pulpit, dock lines
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Dave Scobie -
Don -
janisaz＠comcast.net -
John Tyner