Good morning fellow Montgomery owners. I recently purchased an M17 and have several questions, but none so pressing at this; when sailing the boat yesterday, I discovered that what the former owner said was true, namely that this particular M17 takes water in through the top of the CB trunk, where the CB pendent drops through. Even in what I consider pretty tame conditions (8-10 knots of wind and mild chop), a fair amount of water spouts up through the hole. When viewed from above, it certainly appeared if if the trunk was full to the top with water, which seemed odd to me, but maybe normal. I say that because the M15 cockpit actually drains through the trunk. The boat is a '75, and the cb works freely and was deployed yesterday. Simply stuffing a rag into the hole solves the problem, but I wondered if anyone else had experienced this phenomenon. Thanks. t Tom Smith & Jane Van Winkle Sandpoint, Idaho M15-345, Chukar
Tom, My M-17 (#604 mfg 2000) does the same thing. When in fresh water, and with the boat loaded, some water also comes in through the scuppers. I am considering raising the floor of my cockpit about 2 1/2 to 3 inches so I can have dry feet. I considered a grating, but it's a pain when something drops through. What I'm considering is laying in a foam sheet about three inches thick, with gutters around the sides, and a cut-out for the traveler and the Whalegushe bilge pump, covering and bonding it in with a several coats of 10 oz. cloth, then a gel coat. The foam can be obtained through Wick's Aircraft Supply (http://www.wicksaircraft.com) , and is NOT styrofoam, which would be melted by the resin. This is one of those 'might do' projects, second in line behind making a kick-up rudder. Clarence Andrews M-17 Carpe Ventum ----- Original Message ----- From: "Smith, Tom" <Tom.Smith@itron.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 4:53 PM Subject: M_Boats: Some M17 Questions Good morning fellow Montgomery owners. I recently purchased an M17 and have several questions, but none so pressing at this; when sailing the boat yesterday, I discovered that what the former owner said was true, namely that this particular M17 takes water in through the top of the CB trunk, where the CB pendent drops through. Even in what I consider pretty tame conditions (8-10 knots of wind and mild chop), a fair amount of water spouts up through the hole. When viewed from above, it certainly appeared if if the trunk was full to the top with water, which seemed odd to me, but maybe normal. I say that because the M15 cockpit actually drains through the trunk. The boat is a '75, and the cb works freely and was deployed yesterday. Simply stuffing a rag into the hole solves the problem, but I wondered if anyone else had experienced this phenomenon. Thanks. t Tom Smith & Jane Van Winkle Sandpoint, Idaho M15-345, Chukar _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
Clarence, You might consider this: One M-Lister's solution to the cockpit drainage problem was to reverse the cockpit hoses leading to the cockpit drains. The result is that (please forgive me if I have these terms reversed, I'm afraid I'm "sailing-lingo-disadvantaged"), on a port-tack, the water coming in the port thru-hull has to travel to the starboard ("high-side", if I have my lingo right) drain. On a starboard-tack, the water coming in the starboard thru-hull has to travel to the port ("high-side") drain. I believe the M-lister who reversed his drain-hoses said the switch solved the water incursion problem, while still allowing water to drain "out" effectively. Personally, I wouldn't want to raise my cockpit floor substantially, if I could avoid it, because I wouldn't want that "knees at your chin" dingy feel you'll get in a Com-Pac 16', or Seaward Fox. At 5' 0" tall, I am probably the shortest Montgomery sailor on this list, yet the height of the M17 cockpit benches is perfect for me, and I wouldn't want to lower it by raising the cockpit floor: Just my personal preference. Of the boats I've sailed, including a Flicka 20' and Cal 25', the M17 has the most comfortable cockpit. --Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: "n9ca" <n9ca@comcast.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 4:18 PM Subject: Some M17 Questions Tom, My M-17 (#604 mfg 2000) does the same thing. When in fresh water, and with the boat loaded, some water also comes in through the scuppers. I am considering raising the floor of my cockpit about 2 1/2 to 3 inches so I can have dry feet. I considered a grating, but it's a pain when something drops through. What I'm considering is laying in a foam sheet about three inches thick, with gutters around the sides, and a cut-out for the traveler and the Whalegushe bilge pump, covering and bonding it in with a several coats of 10 oz. cloth, then a gel coat. The foam can be obtained through Wick's Aircraft Supply (http://www.wicksaircraft.com) , and is NOT styrofoam, which would be melted by the resin. This is one of those 'might do' projects, second in line behind making a kick-up rudder. Clarence Andrews M-17 Carpe Ventum
----- Original Message ----- From: "Honshells" <chonshell@ia4u.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 3:02 PM Subject: M17 Cockpit Water . . . Clarence, You might consider this: One M-Lister's solution to the cockpit drainage problem was to reverse the drain-hoses leading to the cockpit drains. The result is that (please forgive me if I have these terms reversed, I'm afraid I'm "sailing-lingo-disadvantaged"), on a port-tack, the water coming in the port thru-hull has to travel to the starboard ("high-side", if I have my lingo right) drain. On a starboard-tack, the water coming in the starboard thru-hull has to travel to the port ("high-side") drain. I believe the M-lister who reversed his drain-hoses said the switch solved the water incursion problem, while still allowing water to drain "out" effectively. Personally, I wouldn't want to raise my cockpit floor substantially, if I could avoid it, because I wouldn't want that "knees at your chin" dingy feel you'll get in a Com-Pac 16', or Seaward Fox. At 5' 0" tall, I am probably the shortest Montgomery sailor on this list, yet the height of the M17 cockpit benches is perfect for me, and I wouldn't want to lower it by raising the cockpit floor: Just my personal preference. Of the boats I've sailed, including a Flicka 20' and Cal 25', the M17 has the most comfortable cockpit. --Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: "n9ca" <n9ca@comcast.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 4:18 PM Subject: Some M17 Questions Tom, My M-17 (#604 mfg 2000) does the same thing. When in fresh water, and with the boat loaded, some water also comes in through the scuppers. I am considering raising the floor of my cockpit about 2 1/2 to 3 inches so I can have dry feet. I considered a grating, but it's a pain when something drops through. What I'm considering is laying in a foam sheet about three inches thick, with gutters around the sides, and a cut-out for the traveler and the Whalegushe bilge pump, covering and bonding it in with a several coats of 10 oz. cloth, then a gel coat. The foam can be obtained through Wick's Aircraft Supply (http://www.wicksaircraft.com) , and is NOT styrofoam, which would be melted by the resin. This is one of those 'might do' projects, second in line behind making a kick-up rudder. Clarence Andrews M-17 Carpe Ventum _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
Tom: Having never sailed a '17 I'd be interested in knowing your impressions when comparing sailing the '15. Thank's, Rich Cottrell "Smith, Tom" <Tom.Smith@itron.com> wrote: Good morning fellow Montgomery owners. I recently purchased an M17 and have several questions, but none so pressing at this; when sailing the boat yesterday, I discovered that what the former owner said was true, namely that this particular M17 takes water in through the top of the CB trunk, where the CB pendent drops through. Even in what I consider pretty tame conditions (8-10 knots of wind and mild chop), a fair amount of water spouts up through the hole. When viewed from above, it certainly appeared if if the trunk was full to the top with water, which seemed odd to me, but maybe normal. I say that because the M15 cockpit actually drains through the trunk. The boat is a '75, and the cb works freely and was deployed yesterday. Simply stuffing a rag into the hole solves the problem, but I wondered if anyone else had experienced this phenomenon. Thanks. t Tom Smith & Jane Van Winkle Sandpoint, Idaho M15-345, Chukar _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
Tom, BuscaBrisas (1987, f/g cb w/ pendant to cockpit sole) occasionally will "blow" if the centerboard is up and I'm motoring into chop but that's about the only time. Problem ceases with board down, sailing. With several people in cockpit some water tends to back in through the drain, especially when motoring. I normally rarely motor and usually only myself and Bilbo are in the cockpit which means that generally the cockpit stays dry. When beating to windward in conditions rough enough to take spray over the bow (not often) or if it's raining (more common) a fair amount of water tends to accumulate in the forward half of the leeward cockpit seat and sole area. Good seat hatch gaskets help keep it out of the interior. Tod
Hello Tom, Our 1974 M17 takes on water as you described, mostly when going over wakes or steep waves. We stick a sponge in the hole and mop up what little gets in, less than a quart. Ron Goodspeed
Tom- we used to put a little nylon bushing, made by Shaffer, in the top of the trunk tang, and the line was a snug fit. This eliminated anmy water coming up. The hole is well above the WL, but when going thru a chop the water pressure builds up and spurts. The 15's did the same thing; that's why we put the little teak baffle over the opening. If your boat is a 75, the bushing probably half-lifed to oblivion. 23 years sounds like a good half-life to me. In your case, the easiest fix would be to wad up a beer can around the pennant and hammer it down in the hole, then put some duct tape over it. Jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Smith, Tom" <Tom.Smith@itron.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 1:53 PM Subject: M_Boats: Some M17 Questions
Good morning fellow Montgomery owners. I recently purchased an M17 and
have several questions, but none so pressing at this; when sailing the boat yesterday, I discovered that what the former owner said was true, namely that this particular M17 takes water in through the top of the CB trunk, where the CB pendent drops through. Even in what I consider pretty tame conditions (8-10 knots of wind and mild chop), a fair amount of water spouts up through the hole.
When viewed from above, it certainly appeared if if the trunk was full to
the top with water, which seemed odd to me, but maybe normal. I say that because the M15 cockpit actually drains through the trunk.
The boat is a '75, and the cb works freely and was deployed yesterday.
Simply stuffing a rag into the hole solves the problem, but I wondered if anyone else had experienced this phenomenon. Thanks. t
Tom Smith & Jane Van Winkle Sandpoint, Idaho M15-345, Chukar
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