I sailed my previous boat - a Pearson 27, single handed often with a drifter. The trick is to have a snuffer. Your sail maker can get it for you - mine was an ATN and it made launching and retrieving the large drifter easy (most of the time). http://www.atninc.com/sleeve_en.php SEMPER FI ........ Hale M-15 "Tun Tavern: (soon to be delivered )
Hello listers, I just returned from a Boy Scout high adventure sailing around the FLA Keys on a Morgan 40. Not a very arduous trek! The head on the boat was a head where a foot lever opened a drop door directly into a holding tank under the toilet. The smell from this head permeated the whole boat which was hard to take. My boat needs a new head or porta potti and as I primarily day sail I was considering a porta potti for ease of installation and not having to pump out the holding tank. I also need to replace and rebuild all the plumbing for the head as well as the vent on the deck etc. Any advice on this trade? I have not had a porta potti nor a pump head on board so I do not know the pluses and minuses. I would not install the type of head we had on the Morgan. Thanks in advance! Robbin M-23 and M-10
Robbin: Go to REI's retail website and look up: Cleanwaste PETT Portable Environmental Toilet I have one of these PETTs, which packs easy, is quick and simple to use and seals out the nasty smells. The resulting sealed bags are environmentally friendly and easy to dispose of. In my opinion, this is a much better alternative than either a marine head or portable toilet. Gordon M-17 Sapphire St. Paul, MN On Jul 9, 2011, at 6:36 AM, robbin roddewig wrote:
Hello listers, I just returned from a Boy Scout high adventure sailing around the FLA Keys on a Morgan 40. Not a very arduous trek! The head on the boat was a head where a foot lever opened a drop door directly into a holding tank under the toilet. The smell from this head permeated the whole boat which was hard to take. My boat needs a new head or porta potti and as I primarily day sail I was considering a porta potti for ease of installation and not having to pump out the holding tank. I also need to replace and rebuild all the plumbing for the head as well as the vent on the deck etc. Any advice on this trade? I have not had a porta potti nor a pump head on board so I do not know the pluses and minuses. I would not install the type of head we had on the Morgan.
Thanks in advance!
Robbin M-23 and M-10
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Robbin, I've spent many a night with my face only inches from the Thetford potty and never had an issue. I've also got some PETT bags but am fortunate to have not needed to try them yet. Bill Riker M15 - #184 Storm Petrel -----Original Message----- From: robbin roddewig Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 5:36 AM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Head vs porta potti Hello listers, I just returned from a Boy Scout high adventure sailing around the FLA Keys on a Morgan 40. Not a very arduous trek! The head on the boat was a head where a foot lever opened a drop door directly into a holding tank under the toilet. The smell from this head permeated the whole boat which was hard to take. My boat needs a new head or porta potti and as I primarily day sail I was considering a porta potti for ease of installation and not having to pump out the holding tank. I also need to replace and rebuild all the plumbing for the head as well as the vent on the deck etc. Any advice on this trade? I have not had a porta potti nor a pump head on board so I do not know the pluses and minuses. I would not install the type of head we had on the Morgan. Thanks in advance! Robbin M-23 and M-10 _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet!
Robbin, I'd analyze just where I do my sailing. How long are my trips. Some areas are getting more and more restrictive about marine heads. So the first thing I'd do is see what the current and possible future picture looks like. How often do you sail off shore far enough to dispose overboard? That will answer whether you need to go through the hassle and expense of plumbing your head overboard. If not going off shore and you install a marine head with holding tank then you need to determine if there are a sufficient number of pump out stations. Keep in mind that most charge for this service. Keeping any amount of stuff in your holding tank then provides the age old challenge of eliminating odors. It's do-able but still a minor hassle. A porta potti does have some advantages of being able to be completely removed from the boat and thoroughly cleaned off the boat. WAG bags make this even easier. They run about $3 a bag if you order in bulk from places like Amazon. A porta potti also alows you to move it from one place to another onboard. You would probably keep it under a Vberth most of the time and then depending on where you anchor, you can then move it to the cockpit at nights. This becomes obvious if you aren't soloing... You might consider the combination of bucket, seat and WAG bags. The bucket does double duty of toilet and basic utility bucket for any chore requiring the use of a bucket. We don't have much room on these M's so any opportunity to make multiple uses from a sinlge item is worth thinking about. Now if someone has figured out how to use a marine head that can be pumped into a portable holding tank that can be easily removed... that might be the ticket for some. I have a porta potti. I haven't used it yet. I'm seriously considering the bucket and bag route to conserve space. The porta potti rules out using the starboard side hatch area under the V berth for anything else. Like anything else on a sailboat. It's just one more compromise you make in the decision process. Good luck. Joe M17 SeaFrog ----- Original Message ----- From: robbin roddewig To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 7:36 AM Subject: M_Boats: Head vs porta potti Hello listers, I just returned from a Boy Scout high adventure sailing around the FLA Keys on a Morgan 40. Not a very arduous trek! The head on the boat was a head where a foot lever opened a drop door directly into a holding tank under the toilet. The smell from this head permeated the whole boat which was hard to take. My boat needs a new head or porta potti and as I primarily day sail I was considering a porta potti for ease of installation and not having to pump out the holding tank. I also need to replace and rebuild all the plumbing for the head as well as the vent on the deck etc. Any advice on this trade? I have not had a porta potti nor a pump head on board so I do not know the pluses and minuses. I would not install the type of head we had on the Morgan. Thanks in advance! Robbin M-23 and M-10 _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet!
porta potti dumping is becoming increasingly impossible to do. for two weeks in june, while sailing in the san juan (WA) and gulf (CN) islands, finding a location to 'dump' was a continual problem. one time i got up at 1AM to dump in a marina bathroom because the 'pot was full' and there was no location to dump. i would have needed to do more 'midnight dumps' if the group had spent more time 'on the hook'. place to pump out a marine holding tank were not a problem. i am close to 'transitioning' to 'wag bags' because of the challenge of doing the 'right thing' with waste. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 - SWEET PEA :: sailing Sage 17 #001 - AIR BORN --- On Sat, 7/9/11, robbin roddewig <robbin.roddewig@verizon.net> wrote:
Hello listers, I just returned from a Boy Scout high adventure sailing around the FLA Keys on a Morgan 40. Not a very arduous trek! The head on the boat was a head where a foot lever opened a drop door directly into a holding tank under the toilet. The smell from this head permeated the whole boat which was hard to take. My boat needs a new head or porta potti and as I primarily day sail I was considering a porta potti for ease of installation and not having to pump out the holding tank. I also need to replace and rebuild all the plumbing for the head as well as the vent on the deck etc. Any advice on this trade? I have not had a porta potti nor a pump head on board so I do not know the pluses and minuses. I would not install the type of head we had on the Morgan.
Thanks in advance!
Robbin M-23 and M-10
Dave, So that was what got our dog barking at 1 AM! It might be my imagination, but there seemed to be more "no porta- pottie dumping" signs in the San Juans than there were on the 2009 trip, and one marina charged for waste disposal. Perhaps the next innovation will be "no wag bag disposal" at the marinas. Eventually, humans will have to be genetically engineered to produce no waste, or we will have to fill the space under the v-berth with wag bags, and dump them at home. Tom Jenkins Scintilla On Jul 9, 2011, at 9:55 AM, W David Scobie wrote:
porta potti dumping is becoming increasingly impossible to do. for two weeks in june, while sailing in the san juan (WA) and gulf (CN) islands, finding a location to 'dump' was a continual problem. one time i got up at 1AM to dump in a marina bathroom because the 'pot was full' and there was no location to dump.
i would have needed to do more 'midnight dumps' if the group had spent more time 'on the hook'.
place to pump out a marine holding tank were not a problem.
i am close to 'transitioning' to 'wag bags' because of the challenge of doing the 'right thing' with waste.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 - SWEET PEA :: sailing Sage 17 #001 - AIR BORN
--- On Sat, 7/9/11, robbin roddewig <robbin.roddewig@verizon.net> wrote:
Hello listers, I just returned from a Boy Scout high adventure sailing around the FLA Keys on a Morgan 40. Not a very arduous trek! The head on the boat was a head where a foot lever opened a drop door directly into a holding tank under the toilet. The smell from this head permeated the whole boat which was hard to take. My boat needs a new head or porta potti and as I primarily day sail I was considering a porta potti for ease of installation and not having to pump out the holding tank. I also need to replace and rebuild all the plumbing for the head as well as the vent on the deck etc. Any advice on this trade? I have not had a porta potti nor a pump head on board so I do not know the pluses and minuses. I would not install the type of head we had on the Morgan.
Thanks in advance!
Robbin M-23 and M-10
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tom: i agree that there are fewer locations that one can dump a porta-pot. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 - SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com :: Sail Sage 17 #001 - AIR BORN - www.sagemarine.com --- On Sat, 7/9/11, Tom Jenkins <tjenk@gte.net> wrote:
Dave, So that was what got our dog barking at 1 AM! It might be my imagination, but there seemed to be more "no porta-pottie dumping" signs in the San Juans than there were on the 2009 trip, and one marina charged for waste disposal. Perhaps the next innovation will be "no wag bag disposal" at the marinas. Eventually, humans will have to be genetically engineered to produce no waste, or we will have to fill the space under the v-berth with wag bags, and dump them at home. Tom Jenkins Scintilla
On Jul 9, 2011, at 9:55 AM, W David Scobie wrote:
porta potti dumping is becoming increasingly impossible to do. for two weeks in june, while sailing in the san juan (WA) and gulf (CN) islands, finding a location to 'dump' was a continual problem. one time i got up at 1AM to dump in a marina bathroom because the 'pot was full' and there was no location to dump.
i would have needed to do more 'midnight dumps' if the group had spent more time 'on the hook'.
place to pump out a marine holding tank were not a problem.
i am close to 'transitioning' to 'wag bags' because of the challenge of doing the 'right thing' with waste.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 - SWEET PEA :: sailing Sage 17 #001 - AIR BORN
Wag bags are a little pricey, but I'm glad I converted to them. ~~~_/)~~~ Gary Sent from my iPhone :-) On Jul 9, 2011, at 10:58 AM, W David Scobie <wdscobie@yahoo.com> wrote:
tom:
i agree that there are fewer locations that one can dump a porta-pot.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 - SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com :: Sail Sage 17 #001 - AIR BORN - www.sagemarine.com
--- On Sat, 7/9/11, Tom Jenkins <tjenk@gte.net> wrote:
Dave, So that was what got our dog barking at 1 AM! It might be my imagination, but there seemed to be more "no porta-pottie dumping" signs in the San Juans than there were on the 2009 trip, and one marina charged for waste disposal. Perhaps the next innovation will be "no wag bag disposal" at the marinas. Eventually, humans will have to be genetically engineered to produce no waste, or we will have to fill the space under the v-berth with wag bags, and dump them at home. Tom Jenkins Scintilla
On Jul 9, 2011, at 9:55 AM, W David Scobie wrote:
porta potti dumping is becoming increasingly impossible to do. for two weeks in june, while sailing in the san juan (WA) and gulf (CN) islands, finding a location to 'dump' was a continual problem. one time i got up at 1AM to dump in a marina bathroom because the 'pot was full' and there was no location to dump.
i would have needed to do more 'midnight dumps' if the group had spent more time 'on the hook'.
place to pump out a marine holding tank were not a problem.
i am close to 'transitioning' to 'wag bags' because of the challenge of doing the 'right thing' with waste.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 - SWEET PEA :: sailing Sage 17 #001 - AIR BORN
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We use the Wag bags and would not go back to a port a potti. Some odor from accumulated bags on a longer trip on Georgian Bay has been an issue. Another good reason for sealing off the stern locker from the rest of the boat. Have stored them in the towed dinghy in multiple garbage bags. Waitiing to try a "Gamma Lid" on a 2 1/2" gallon paint bucket this year. Supposed to be air & liquid proof seal. Will let you know in August. Crappy outlook everywhere for dumping. On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 5:24 PM, Gary M Hyde <gmhyde1@mac.com> wrote:
Wag bags are a little pricey, but I'm glad I converted to them.
~~~_/)~~~ Gary Sent from my iPhone :-)
On Jul 9, 2011, at 10:58 AM, W David Scobie <wdscobie@yahoo.com> wrote:
tom:
i agree that there are fewer locations that one can dump a porta-pot.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 - SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com :: Sail Sage 17 #001 - AIR BORN - www.sagemarine.com
--- On Sat, 7/9/11, Tom Jenkins <tjenk@gte.net> wrote:
Dave, So that was what got our dog barking at 1 AM! It might be my imagination, but there seemed to be more "no porta-pottie dumping" signs in the San Juans than there were on the 2009 trip, and one marina charged for waste disposal. Perhaps the next innovation will be "no wag bag disposal" at the marinas. Eventually, humans will have to be genetically engineered to produce no waste, or we will have to fill the space under the v-berth with wag bags, and dump them at home. Tom Jenkins Scintilla
On Jul 9, 2011, at 9:55 AM, W David Scobie wrote:
porta potti dumping is becoming increasingly impossible to do. for two weeks in june, while sailing in the san juan (WA) and gulf (CN) islands, finding a location to 'dump' was a continual problem. one time i got up at 1AM to dump in a marina bathroom because the 'pot was full' and there was no location to dump.
i would have needed to do more 'midnight dumps' if the group had spent more time 'on the hook'.
place to pump out a marine holding tank were not a problem.
i am close to 'transitioning' to 'wag bags' because of the challenge of doing the 'right thing' with waste.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 - SWEET PEA :: sailing Sage 17 #001 - AIR BORN
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I too am a convert to dry toilets. You can also buy double doodie bags that seem to be an earlier version of the wag bag. The go for about $2 or 6 for $12. http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=double+doodie+bags&oe=utf-8&rls=org... Lynn and Larry Pardee use wag bags when in restricted waters and the use one bag for several days. I bought some extra powder from Pett. I throw a little more powder in after each use. I twist the bag closed and then re-open it for a second use. That is when I throw a little more powder in. After 3 or 4 uses I seal it up in the second bag and slip in into someone else's kayak. Thanks, Doug Kelch M15 G #310 "Seas the Day" Sandpiper 565 #192 "Take Five" ________________________________ From: Bill Wickett <billwick@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sun, July 10, 2011 4:21:20 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Head vs porta potti We use the Wag bags and would not go back to a port a potti. Some odor from accumulated bags on a longer trip on Georgian Bay has been an issue. Another good reason for sealing off the stern locker from the rest of the boat. Have stored them in the towed dinghy in multiple garbage bags. Waitiing to try a "Gamma Lid" on a 2 1/2" gallon paint bucket this year. Supposed to be air & liquid proof seal. Will let you know in August. Crappy outlook everywhere for dumping. On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 5:24 PM, Gary M Hyde <gmhyde1@mac.com> wrote:
Wag bags are a little pricey, but I'm glad I converted to them.
~~~_/)~~~ Gary Sent from my iPhone :-)
On Jul 9, 2011, at 10:58 AM, W David Scobie <wdscobie@yahoo.com> wrote:
tom:
i agree that there are fewer locations that one can dump a porta-pot.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 - SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com :: Sail Sage 17 #001 - AIR BORN - www.sagemarine.com
--- On Sat, 7/9/11, Tom Jenkins <tjenk@gte.net> wrote:
Dave, So that was what got our dog barking at 1 AM! It might be my imagination, but there seemed to be more "no porta-pottie dumping" signs in the San Juans than there were on the 2009 trip, and one marina charged for waste disposal. Perhaps the next innovation will be "no wag bag disposal" at the marinas. Eventually, humans will have to be genetically engineered to produce no waste, or we will have to fill the space under the v-berth with wag bags, and dump them at home. Tom Jenkins Scintilla
On Jul 9, 2011, at 9:55 AM, W David Scobie wrote:
porta potti dumping is becoming increasingly impossible to do. for two weeks in june, while sailing in the san juan (WA) and gulf (CN) islands, finding a location to 'dump' was a continual problem. one time i got up at 1AM to dump in a marina bathroom because the 'pot was full' and there was no location to dump.
i would have needed to do more 'midnight dumps' if the group had spent more time 'on the hook'.
place to pump out a marine holding tank were not a problem.
i am close to 'transitioning' to 'wag bags' because of the challenge of doing the 'right thing' with waste.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 - SWEET PEA :: sailing Sage 17 #001 - AIR BORN
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William B Riker