Re: M_Boats: 1971 Flicka 20' Benford, ferro cement hull Sailboat with H.D. trailer
Now there's a project! That would rank right up there with the water soaked NS27 on E-Bay. Although I do enjoy working on and making improvements to my boats, the bottom line is, I'd rather be sailing them. I'm at that stage of life where I would like things "turnkey" condition! Later, Bones _____________________________________________________________ Click for a credit repair consultation, raise your FICO score. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3m2LaNa42xVwXSAjOdavxR6yWO...
Bah, that Flicka looks like it just needs a good powerwash and then it will be as good as new :-) On Feb 15, 2008, at 7:27 AM, bownez@juno.com wrote:
Now there's a project! That would rank right up there with the water soaked NS27 on E-Bay.
Although I do enjoy working on and making improvements to my boats, the bottom line is, I'd rather be sailing them.
I'm at that stage of life where I would like things "turnkey" condition!
Later,
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"Although I do enjoy working on and making improvements to my boats, the bottom line is, I'd rather be sailing them. I'm at that stage of life where I would like things "turnkey" condition!" I am in full agreement with this statement! Big side projects get in the way of sailing. Even the small mods, repairs and upgrades don't get done because of sailing in my case. This would be he time of year to get a few things looked after on the boat....but it is cold out there! And such nasty work taking a frozen canvas cover off the boat....~:0) Tim in Kelowna M17 369 ============================== Later, Bones _____________________________________________________________ Click for a credit repair consultation, raise your FICO score. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3m2LaNa42xVwXSAjOdavxR6yWO x4FiPZ6vireu32F5cN0oh7/ _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.5/1278 - Release Date: 2/14/2008 10:28 AM
May this would be the wrong place to axe this question...... I am sure there are Mboat owners in the same position....but..... SWMBO suggested to me that a bit more room inside the boat would be more to her liking. More than a 17. At first thought, a new M23 comes to mind....but I am not quite flush enough to both purchase the boat....then the vehicle capable of towing it. So my question to you is: What choices might there be out there that is slightly larger than a 17, is fast, seaworthy/ well built, beautiful, trailerable and brings as much pride of ownership as an M17? I have been looking but have not been inspired by anything I would consider actually buying and giving up our 17 for. Cheers, Tim D in Kelowna BC
Tim, I also think about moving up to a M23 some day but as new it doesn't fit my budget. Other choices might be: Nimble 20 - doesn't sail as well as Montgomery but not much does Rob Roy 23 - I am partial to traditional looking canoe yawls Etap 21 - modern, fast, room and not many used ones around. Then there are the new wood/epoxy boats that show up ocassionaly. There was a Bolger Blueberry - 20 ft, Gaff Cutter - that went for a mere $6000 - a very pretty boat and fine cruiser Enjoy the search. Doug Kelch Tim Diebert <tim@timtone.com> wrote: May this would be the wrong place to axe this question...... I am sure there are Mboat owners in the same position....but..... SWMBO suggested to me that a bit more room inside the boat would be more to her liking. More than a 17. At first thought, a new M23 comes to mind....but I am not quite flush enough to both purchase the boat....then the vehicle capable of towing it. So my question to you is: What choices might there be out there that is slightly larger than a 17, is fast, seaworthy/ well built, beautiful, trailerable and brings as much pride of ownership as an M17? I have been looking but have not been inspired by anything I would consider actually buying and giving up our 17 for. Cheers, Tim D in Kelowna BC _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.
don't know if the www-site is still up-to-date ... M23 'sea cutter' is still listed - http://www.sailingtexas.com/smontgomery23a.html dave scobie M15 #288, not yet named Tim Diebert <tim@timtone.com> wrote: May this would be the wrong place to axe this question...... I am sure there are Mboat owners in the same position....but..... SWMBO suggested to me that a bit more room inside the boat would be more to her liking. More than a 17. At first thought, a new M23 comes to mind....but I am not quite flush enough to both purchase the boat....then the vehicle capable of towing it. So my question to you is: What choices might there be out there that is slightly larger than a 17, is fast, seaworthy/ well built, beautiful, trailerable and brings as much pride of ownership as an M17? I have been looking but have not been inspired by anything I would consider actually buying and giving up our 17 for. Cheers, Tim D in Kelowna BC --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
Lots of good boats out there, I think. If I was going to bump up a couple more feet, didn't want to spend a fortune, but wanted something fast, I'd look for a Cal 20. t -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Tim Diebert Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 7:20 AM To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' Subject: M_Boats: Cardinal Sin May this would be the wrong place to axe this question...... I am sure there are Mboat owners in the same position....but..... SWMBO suggested to me that a bit more room inside the boat would be more to her liking. More than a 17. At first thought, a new M23 comes to mind....but I am not quite flush enough to both purchase the boat....then the vehicle capable of towing it. So my question to you is: What choices might there be out there that is slightly larger than a 17, is fast, seaworthy/ well built, beautiful, trailerable and brings as much pride of ownership as an M17? I have been looking but have not been inspired by anything I would consider actually buying and giving up our 17 for. Cheers, Tim D in Kelowna BC _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
Tim, The Rhodes 22 is an upscale boat like the M, so budget figures in here also. The enthusiasm of every owner I know is rock solid. The boat has a large cockpit and well designed cabin. Standing room is provided by a pop top. The cockpit and cabin can be enclosed with the 'boom room', or the cabin alone with the pop top enclosure. Look up rhodes22.com for detailed info. I can fill in gaps. This is my boat of choice, having sailed many other options. Chow, Art Czerwonky s/v Mary Jane --- Tim Diebert <tim@timtone.com> wrote:
May this would be the wrong place to axe this question...... I am sure there are Mboat owners in the same position....but..... SWMBO suggested to me that a bit more room inside the boat would be more to her liking. More than a 17.
At first thought, a new M23 comes to mind....but I am not quite flush enough to both purchase the boat....then the vehicle capable of towing it.
So my question to you is: What choices might there be out there that is slightly larger than a 17, is fast, seaworthy/ well built, beautiful, trailerable and brings as much pride of ownership as an M17?
I have been looking but have not been inspired by anything I would consider actually buying and giving up our 17 for.
Cheers, Tim D in Kelowna BC
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Perhaps think about a Compac 19. I think they are great looking boats, they are very well built, solid fiberglass no cored decks and certainly seaworthy. These boats also have more room below then a Monty 17.. Also consider a Compac 23, there is one on sailingtexas for around 12,000. The Compac owners group,http://www.com-pacowners.com/ is also another good source for these boats, A compac 19 is listed for 3,500 on the site right now. I am also a huge fan of Flickas but those seem to be really expensive. --Chad On Feb 15, 2008, at 9:19 AM, Tim Diebert wrote:
May this would be the wrong place to axe this question...... I am sure there are Mboat owners in the same position....but..... SWMBO suggested to me that a bit more room inside the boat would be more to her liking. More than a 17.
At first thought, a new M23 comes to mind....but I am not quite flush enough to both purchase the boat....then the vehicle capable of towing it.
So my question to you is: What choices might there be out there that is slightly larger than a 17, is fast, seaworthy/ well built, beautiful, trailerable and brings as much pride of ownership as an M17?
I have been looking but have not been inspired by anything I would consider actually buying and giving up our 17 for.
Cheers, Tim D in Kelowna BC
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Chad, Just a thought - one purpose for the anticipated boat is some cruising capability, I presume. The threshold for the minimum level of creature comforts for cruising is 22', and depending on the boat, a 22' with the corresponding cabin and cockpit capabilities may be a stretch as well. I know of a SC skipper who lived with his wife on an R22 for nine months out of economic necessity - something most would call impossible. If a smaller boat is contemplated, I'd make sure the wife is really aboard on the decision, otherwise you can ultimately expect alot of grumbling and alot of solo cruising until you replace it with a larger boat. The learning curve can be a mite expensive. Art Czerwonky s/v Mary Jane --- Chad Parrish <cparrish@fafnirnet.net> wrote:
Perhaps think about a Compac 19. I think they are great looking boats, they are very well built, solid fiberglass no cored decks and certainly seaworthy. These boats also have more room below then a Monty 17.. Also consider a Compac 23, there is one on sailingtexas for around 12,000. The Compac owners group,http://www.com-pacowners.com/ is also another good source for these boats, A compac 19 is listed for 3,500 on the site right now. I am also a huge fan of Flickas but those seem to be really expensive.
--Chad
On Feb 15, 2008, at 9:19 AM, Tim Diebert wrote:
May this would be the wrong place to axe this question...... I am sure there are Mboat owners in the same position....but..... SWMBO suggested to me that a bit more room inside the boat would be more to her liking. More than a 17.
At first thought, a new M23 comes to mind....but I am not quite flush enough to both purchase the boat....then the vehicle capable of towing it.
So my question to you is: What choices might there be out there that is slightly larger than a 17, is fast, seaworthy/ well built, beautiful, trailerable and brings as much pride of ownership as an M17?
I have been looking but have not been inspired by anything I would consider actually buying and giving up our 17 for.
Cheers, Tim D in Kelowna BC
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Chad, I would second your comments on the Compac's. They are really beautiful and salty looking, especially the cabins on the 19 & 23 with all that teak. Very pretty. I did sell my compac 16 to move to the Montgomery 15 because of the difficulty of the CP's to make way to windward. The stub shoal keel is great as far as low(no) maintenance but the trade is the ability to point, or lack there of. I had an especially stressful experience trying to get back under the Chesapeake Bay bridge with my CP16 (my two boys eventually grabbed paddles on our fourth attempt) that made me vow to find a more capable sailing craft. But I still like the Compac's looks, construction and customer service. Robbin M-17 Chad Parrish wrote:
Perhaps think about a Compac 19. I think they are great looking boats, they are very well built, solid fiberglass no cored decks and certainly seaworthy. These boats also have more room below then a Monty 17.. Also consider a Compac 23, there is one on sailingtexas for around 12,000. The Compac owners group,http://www.com-pacowners.com/ is also another good source for these boats, A compac 19 is listed for 3,500 on the site right now. I am also a huge fan of Flickas but those seem to be really expensive.
--Chad
On Feb 15, 2008, at 9:19 AM, Tim Diebert wrote:
May this would be the wrong place to axe this question...... I am sure there are Mboat owners in the same position....but..... SWMBO suggested to me that a bit more room inside the boat would be more to her liking. More than a 17.
At first thought, a new M23 comes to mind....but I am not quite flush enough to both purchase the boat....then the vehicle capable of towing it.
So my question to you is: What choices might there be out there that is slightly larger than a 17, is fast, seaworthy/ well built, beautiful, trailerable and brings as much pride of ownership as an M17?
I have been looking but have not been inspired by anything I would consider actually buying and giving up our 17 for.
Cheers, Tim D in Kelowna BC
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Robbin, In fact I just sold my Compac 16 on Friday, the cabin was just too small for my wife, 1 year old daughter and I to weekend on in any comfort. We did enjoy the boat and of course found that it didn't sail nearly as well as our Ranger 23. We did buy a Montgomery 17 last fall though and got out a couple of times before the snow flew, still doesn't sail as well as my Ranger, in my opinion but it certainly is a lot easier to trailer. We have a new main on order which I know will certainly help. I never did get to sail a Compac 19, I hear those were an altogether different boat then the Compac 16s. --Chad M-17 Pugsley On Feb 16, 2008, at 1:07 PM, Robbin Roddewig wrote:
Chad, I would second your comments on the Compac's. They are really beautiful and salty looking, especially the cabins on the 19 & 23 with all that teak. Very pretty. I did sell my compac 16 to move to the Montgomery 15 because of the difficulty of the CP's to make way to windward. The stub shoal keel is great as far as low(no) maintenance but the trade is the ability to point, or lack there of. I had an especially stressful experience trying to get back under the Chesapeake Bay bridge with my CP16 (my two boys eventually grabbed paddles on our fourth attempt) that made me vow to find a more capable sailing craft. But I still like the Compac's looks, construction and customer service.
Robbin M-17
Chad Parrish wrote:
Perhaps think about a Compac 19. I think they are great looking boats, they are very well built, solid fiberglass no cored decks and certainly seaworthy. These boats also have more room below then a Monty 17.. Also consider a Compac 23, there is one on sailingtexas for around 12,000. The Compac owners group,http://www.com-pacowners.com/ is also another good source for these boats, A compac 19 is listed for 3,500 on the site right now. I am also a huge fan of Flickas but those seem to be really expensive.
--Chad
On Feb 15, 2008, at 9:19 AM, Tim Diebert wrote:
May this would be the wrong place to axe this question...... I am sure there are Mboat owners in the same position....but..... SWMBO suggested to me that a bit more room inside the boat would be more to her liking. More than a 17.
At first thought, a new M23 comes to mind....but I am not quite flush enough to both purchase the boat....then the vehicle capable of towing it.
So my question to you is: What choices might there be out there that is slightly larger than a 17, is fast, seaworthy/ well built, beautiful, trailerable and brings as much pride of ownership as an M17?
I have been looking but have not been inspired by anything I would consider actually buying and giving up our 17 for.
Cheers, Tim D in Kelowna BC
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Thanks for all the replies and information folks. I have spent a great deal of time checking all these options out. I even spoke to Fred (Sea Cutter) on the phone the other day. An M23, no matter how wonderful a design it is, is a lot of boat. I would like more space but not that much weight to deal with. If I bought a 23, for me it would absolutly HAVE to be Sea Cutter or the newer deck / house version. To me this new configuration represents fine art from the eye of Lyle Hess. The M23 now looks (to me) like the younger sister of the Bristol Channel cutter, perhaps my all time favourite design. The original long house version is fine, but not as fine and proper as the new design. When speaking with Fred I was reminded just how familiar Sea Cutter is with our own cruising ground....the Gulf Islands. If that boat was brought here you could save money on charts, she would already know her way around. The ultimate Gulf Island cruiser for sure. Thanks to Doug, Fred and Bones. Jeff, I have always like the Halman boats....did some work on one many years ago. But as you say, more room but at the expense of a smaller cockpit. Summers here are big cockpit (party) weather and my lady loves to stretch out in the sun. There is a very fine example of this boat for sale right here on my home lake. Reumer is that this design is not close winded. Sailing on the long narrow lakes around here requires a high sailing boat....a character that the 17 has down pat. The Cal 21 is a fixed keel boat....unless there are some center board versions I don't know about. I dry sail my boats and really need the ease of a lifting keel. The 17 goes on and off the trailer better than most motor boats...fantastic design and trailer design. I will never tire of the double takes from power boat people at the launch ramp on busy days. The Cal 20 along with the SJ 21 are good sailing boats, common around here...but a bit ugly in my eyes mind. It is also tough to find a copy in really good shape. They are often smelly and dull. The Etap 21 is very close to my ideal....the Compac is right in there....but the winner is a boat that has never crossed my radar screen, the Beneteau First 210...211 or 21.7. Thanks Gary. The design comes so close to my absolute ideal it hurts. What hurts more is they are so coveted that the few that were made in the US for a couple of years back in the day are very rarely for sale... and (I am sure) snapped up by folks in the inner circle. They are now only made in France (the newest version the First 21.7)....but I do believe one would cost about $60,000 plus freight, duty and taxes to Vancouver. Holy crap. The First 21.7 has a relationship (from my warped perpective) with an M17. Both boats were designed by favourite designers. The First is laid out by the Finot Group (or Group Finot). Think any current go faster and there is a good bet these folks had a hand in there. My favourite Ocean racing class is the Mini Transats.....a 21 foot version of the IMOCA 60's and 70's. The First 21.7 is very close (for a production racer cruiser) to these little mega boats. The first is fast, lots of room, big cockpit, very trailerable....and damn gorgeous! I am smitten. I now have a new mission in life. Thanks folks, Tim in Kelowna M17 369 Puff.
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