Unfortunately had mast failure today on my M-17. Portside lowerstay snapped at the speader, then it all came down. Need a new mast and should replace the standing rigging. Jerry, you out there? Where do you suggest I go? Tony Cox M-17 #294
Och! That happened to us on my buddy's Windrose 18 last year. In our case both turnbuckles on the port side came undone one right after the other. Not a fun day. Regards, Ron McNeil M17 675 ________________________________ From: Tony Cox <cox.tjg@gmail.com> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 5:51 PM Subject: M_Boats: Mast failure Unfortunately had mast failure today on my M-17. Portside lowerstay snapped at the speader, then it all came down. Need a new mast and should replace the standing rigging. Jerry, you out there? Where do you suggest I go? Tony Cox M-17 #294
Roger that Ron, not a fun day. Thanks Tony Cox M-17 294 On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 7:06 PM, Ronald McNeil <ronaldwmcneil@yahoo.com>wrote:
Och! That happened to us on my buddy's Windrose 18 last year. In our case both turnbuckles on the port side came undone one right after the other. Not a fun day.
Regards, Ron McNeil M17 675
________________________________ From: Tony Cox <cox.tjg@gmail.com> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 5:51 PM Subject: M_Boats: Mast failure
Unfortunately had mast failure today on my M-17. Portside lowerstay snapped at the speader, then it all came down. Need a new mast and should replace the standing rigging. Jerry, you out there? Where do you suggest I go?
Tony Cox M-17 #294
OUCH IS RIGHT I can relate had the port turnbuckle come loose and mast came down with boat in slip on 2nd day in water:-( Mast was not damaged so was able to raise mast and have now taped turnbuckles to prevent nuts backing out. Now check every time prior to and after sailing:-) George Merry Helen II M15 #602 'We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust our Sails' -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Tony Cox Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 9:26 PM To: Ronald McNeil; For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Mast failure Roger that Ron, not a fun day. Thanks Tony Cox M-17 294 On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 7:06 PM, Ronald McNeil <ronaldwmcneil@yahoo.com>wrote:
Och! That happened to us on my buddy's Windrose 18 last year. In our case both turnbuckles on the port side came undone one right after the other. Not a fun day.
Regards, Ron McNeil M17 675
________________________________ From: Tony Cox <cox.tjg@gmail.com> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 5:51 PM Subject: M_Boats: Mast failure
Unfortunately had mast failure today on my M-17. Portside lowerstay snapped at the speader, then it all came down. Need a new mast and should replace the standing rigging. Jerry, you out there? Where do you suggest I go?
Tony Cox M-17 #294
When ours came down it was it ripped the step right off and created a hole in the top of the boat. I felt bad because I was the one who adjusted the turn buckles after stepping the mast that day. My buddy first thought his boat was broken beyond repair, but we fixed it all up and it looks just fine. He has the kind of turn buckles that you can't tell how much thread you have in it. So we now carefully count the number of turns on each side and wire them together. lesson learned. Regards, Ron M17 675 ________________________________ From: George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com> To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 7:52 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Mast failure OUCH IS RIGHT I can relate had the port turnbuckle come loose and mast came down with boat in slip on 2nd day in water:-( Mast was not damaged so was able to raise mast and have now taped turnbuckles to prevent nuts backing out. Now check every time prior to and after sailing:-) George Merry Helen II M15 #602 'We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust our Sails' -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Tony Cox Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 9:26 PM To: Ronald McNeil; For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Mast failure Roger that Ron, not a fun day. Thanks Tony Cox M-17 294 On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 7:06 PM, Ronald McNeil <ronaldwmcneil@yahoo.com>wrote:
Och! That happened to us on my buddy's Windrose 18 last year. In our case both turnbuckles on the port side came undone one right after the other. Not a fun day.
Regards, Ron McNeil M17 675
________________________________ From: Tony Cox <cox.tjg@gmail.com> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 5:51 PM Subject: M_Boats: Mast failure
Unfortunately had mast failure today on my M-17. Portside lowerstay snapped at the speader, then it all came down. Need a new mast and should replace the standing rigging. Jerry, you out there? Where do you suggest I go?
Tony Cox M-17 #294
I have seen a few owners drill a very small hole in the thread ends of the turnbuckle. A small ss cotter pin is then inserted into the drilled holes. If the cotter pin is large enough the turnbuckle will not back out since it can't turn. This all assumes that you do not make frequent adjustments on the stays. Just my $.02 worth.....Larry and "Old 189" M-15 in Sacramento, Ca -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of George Iemmolo Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 7:53 PM To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' Subject: Re: M_Boats: Mast failure OUCH IS RIGHT I can relate had the port turnbuckle come loose and mast came down with boat in slip on 2nd day in water:-( Mast was not damaged so was able to raise mast and have now taped turnbuckles to prevent nuts backing out. Now check every time prior to and after sailing:-) George Merry Helen II M15 #602 'We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust our Sails' -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Tony Cox Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 9:26 PM To: Ronald McNeil; For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Mast failure Roger that Ron, not a fun day. Thanks Tony Cox M-17 294 On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 7:06 PM, Ronald McNeil <ronaldwmcneil@yahoo.com>wrote:
Och! That happened to us on my buddy's Windrose 18 last year. In our case both turnbuckles on the port side came undone one right after the other. Not a fun day.
Regards, Ron McNeil M17 675
________________________________ From: Tony Cox <cox.tjg@gmail.com> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 5:51 PM Subject: M_Boats: Mast failure
Unfortunately had mast failure today on my M-17. Portside lowerstay snapped at the speader, then it all came down. Need a new mast and should replace the standing rigging. Jerry, you out there? Where do you suggest I go?
Tony Cox M-17 #294
Try googling wrap pins. Work great. My experience has been very good and better than cotter pins or cotter rings. Easy on and off, easy to adjust stay and shroud tension. Especially the forestay. Very visible if on or off, unlike arming that may just be hanging on, ready to drop off. My 2003 M17 rigging came with the turnbuckle threaded ends drilled out for pins. I think that is pretty well standard on most open body turnbuckles. Bill Wickett Makin' Time M17 #622 On 2013-07-23, at 11:26 AM, "Hughston, Larry@DGS" <Larry.Hughston@dgs.ca.gov> wrote:
I have seen a few owners drill a very small hole in the thread ends of the turnbuckle. A small ss cotter pin is then inserted into the drilled holes. If the cotter pin is large enough the turnbuckle will not back out since it can't turn. This all assumes that you do not make frequent adjustments on the stays. Just my $.02 worth.....Larry and "Old 189" M-15 in Sacramento, Ca
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of George Iemmolo Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 7:53 PM To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' Subject: Re: M_Boats: Mast failure
OUCH IS RIGHT
I can relate had the port turnbuckle come loose and mast came down with boat in slip on 2nd day in water:-( Mast was not damaged so was able to raise mast and have now taped turnbuckles to prevent nuts backing out. Now check every time prior to and after sailing:-)
George Merry Helen II M15 #602 'We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust our Sails' -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Tony Cox Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 9:26 PM To: Ronald McNeil; For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Mast failure
Roger that Ron, not a fun day.
Thanks Tony Cox M-17 294
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 7:06 PM, Ronald McNeil <ronaldwmcneil@yahoo.com>wrote:
Och! That happened to us on my buddy's Windrose 18 last year. In our case both turnbuckles on the port side came undone one right after the other. Not a fun day.
Regards, Ron McNeil M17 675
________________________________ From: Tony Cox <cox.tjg@gmail.com> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 5:51 PM Subject: M_Boats: Mast failure
Unfortunately had mast failure today on my M-17. Portside lowerstay snapped at the speader, then it all came down. Need a new mast and should replace the standing rigging. Jerry, you out there? Where do you suggest I go?
Tony Cox M-17 #294
Larry I have had turnbuckles that were made that way but they were open body the ones I have now are closed body and you can not get to threads internal to the body. I guess one could drill the hole at the other end of the threads. Tape seems to be doing the trick right now. George Merry Helen II M15 #602 'We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust our Sails' -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Hughston, Larry@DGS Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 10:26 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Mast failure I have seen a few owners drill a very small hole in the thread ends of the turnbuckle. A small ss cotter pin is then inserted into the drilled holes. If the cotter pin is large enough the turnbuckle will not back out since it can't turn. This all assumes that you do not make frequent adjustments on the stays. Just my $.02 worth.....Larry and "Old 189" M-15 in Sacramento, Ca -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of George Iemmolo Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 7:53 PM To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' Subject: Re: M_Boats: Mast failure OUCH IS RIGHT I can relate had the port turnbuckle come loose and mast came down with boat in slip on 2nd day in water:-( Mast was not damaged so was able to raise mast and have now taped turnbuckles to prevent nuts backing out. Now check every time prior to and after sailing:-) George Merry Helen II M15 #602 'We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust our Sails' -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Tony Cox Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 9:26 PM To: Ronald McNeil; For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Mast failure Roger that Ron, not a fun day. Thanks Tony Cox M-17 294 On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 7:06 PM, Ronald McNeil <ronaldwmcneil@yahoo.com>wrote:
Och! That happened to us on my buddy's Windrose 18 last year. In our case both turnbuckles on the port side came undone one right after the other. Not a fun day.
Regards, Ron McNeil M17 675
________________________________ From: Tony Cox <cox.tjg@gmail.com> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 5:51 PM Subject: M_Boats: Mast failure
Unfortunately had mast failure today on my M-17. Portside lowerstay snapped at the speader, then it all came down. Need a new mast and should replace the standing rigging. Jerry, you out there? Where do you suggest I go?
Tony Cox M-17 #294
On 23-Jul-13 2:27 PM, George Iemmolo wrote: Hi George, Replace your closed body turnbuckles with open body turn buckles. Then you can see where the threads are, and they should have holes at the ends so that you can insert cotter pins and know that they are secure. It's a small price to pay for safety and security. Connie
Larry
I have had turnbuckles that were made that way but they were open body the ones I have now are closed body and you can not get to threads internal to the body. I guess one could drill the hole at the other end of the threads. Tape seems to be doing the trick right now.
George Merry Helen II M15 #602 'We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust our Sails'
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Hughston, Larry@DGS Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 10:26 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Mast failure
I have seen a few owners drill a very small hole in the thread ends of the turnbuckle. A small ss cotter pin is then inserted into the drilled holes. If the cotter pin is large enough the turnbuckle will not back out since it can't turn. This all assumes that you do not make frequent adjustments on the stays. Just my $.02 worth.....Larry and "Old 189" M-15 in Sacramento, Ca
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of George Iemmolo Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 7:53 PM To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' Subject: Re: M_Boats: Mast failure
OUCH IS RIGHT
I can relate had the port turnbuckle come loose and mast came down with boat in slip on 2nd day in water:-( Mast was not damaged so was able to raise mast and have now taped turnbuckles to prevent nuts backing out. Now check every time prior to and after sailing:-)
George Merry Helen II M15 #602 'We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust our Sails' -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Tony Cox Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 9:26 PM To: Ronald McNeil; For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Mast failure
Roger that Ron, not a fun day.
Thanks Tony Cox M-17 294
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 7:06 PM, Ronald McNeil <ronaldwmcneil@yahoo.com>wrote:
Och! That happened to us on my buddy's Windrose 18 last year. In our case both turnbuckles on the port side came undone one right after the other. Not a fun day.
Regards, Ron McNeil M17 675
________________________________ From: Tony Cox <cox.tjg@gmail.com> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 5:51 PM Subject: M_Boats: Mast failure
Unfortunately had mast failure today on my M-17. Portside lowerstay snapped at the speader, then it all came down. Need a new mast and should replace the standing rigging. Jerry, you out there? Where do you suggest I go?
Tony Cox M-17 #294
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