There is another method for minding the tiller that I have used on several boats over the past 50 years. It requires a cleat on the rail, a piece of bungie cord and a twist lock hiking stick/tiller extension. You simply adjust the hiking stick, twist lock it into place and bungie the big ball end to the cleat. The same loop of bungie cord can be used to secure the end of the hiking stick underthe tiller when not in use. I have sailed for miles with this arrangement, steering only by trimming the sails. The hiking stick is also handy to steer while forward for a minute. "Griselda", the M17 I just acquired from my brother has this arrangent. (Wonder where he got the idea). Ron Griselda M17 Hull # 14 _________________________________________________________________ Search that pays you back! Introducing Live Search cashback. http://search.live.com/cashback/?&pkw=form=MIJAAF/publ=HMTGL/crea=srchpaysyo...