My Dear Jerry, I have been following this wonderful discussion regarding how to best spend your valuable time designing another M-Boat. All the suggestions are very good, but as we all know, sailboats are a compromise. Having sailed a 15, 17, and a 23, all have been pleasing. If I could add one feature to my older 1976 M17, it would be the wet locker. If I could suggest one improvement for the M23, it would be a more robust gooseneck. Raising the mast using the bridal jig distorts and twists the gooseneck rather badly. Mine is hanging in there, Theo had to replace his. I'm sure whatever you design, it will be a sweetheart of a looker and sailer. You have the touch. Later, Bones ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the right business program for you and take your career to the next level. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTESUSrVjCI7Wqa7cvYXOf2Zj73...
On the wet cockpit business, mine used to get wet before I started moving stuff forward to get the weight forward (sails better that way) and I can't remember the last time the cockpit was wet while underway. If I load her heavy to the stern, she will squat, but normally, no water. Having those old style drains are not the best. Would prefer drains above the waterline out the stern. Holes in the boat below the waterline and all that. I have the galley model and use the sink drain to wash up in (also a great place to store stuff like water bottles) and the platform for my one burner stove. I have the aluminum toe rails and use those. The only thing I miss is a place to comfortably sit below while waiting for the rain to stop or hiding out from the mosquito swarms at night. I've even tried a small lawn chair but no joy. At 6' and 195, most of the time I'm sitting hunched over or crawling around on my knees. I'd also beef up the stop on the CB if you go to using a heavy metal one again. Possibly allow for a group 27 battery box to get a little more life out of the battery. Mine will only hold a group 24. More electronics these days. LED lights might help that, but fewer cell phones, VHS radios, GPS, depth sounders, etc. isn't going to happen. Howard 1978 M17, #278 (built in 2/78) Audasea
HI HOWARD, YOU MIGHT TRY A SPORT-A-SEAT. I REMOVED THE CUSHION ON THE PILOT BERTH AND USE THE SPORT-A-SEAT THERE. IT IS QUITE COMFORTABLE. THE SPORT-A-SEAT IS ALSO NICE TO USE IN THE COCKPIT. LON SELKIE -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Howard Audsley" <haudsley@tranquility.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 2:57 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Fwd: research
On the wet cockpit business, mine used to get wet before I started moving stuff forward to get the weight forward (sails better that way) and I can't remember the last time the cockpit was wet while underway. If I load her heavy to the stern, she will squat, but normally, no water. Having those old style drains are not the best. Would prefer drains above the waterline out the stern. Holes in the boat below the waterline and all that.
I have the galley model and use the sink drain to wash up in (also a great place to store stuff like water bottles) and the platform for my one burner stove. I have the aluminum toe rails and use those. The only thing I miss is a place to comfortably sit below while waiting for the rain to stop or hiding out from the mosquito swarms at night. I've even tried a small lawn chair but no joy. At 6' and 195, most of the time I'm sitting hunched over or crawling around on my knees.
I'd also beef up the stop on the CB if you go to using a heavy metal one again. Possibly allow for a group 27 battery box to get a little more life out of the battery. Mine will only hold a group 24. More electronics these days. LED lights might help that, but fewer cell phones, VHS radios, GPS, depth sounders, etc. isn't going to happen.
Howard 1978 M17, #278 (built in 2/78) Audasea
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HOWARD, I have the same galley model M17. I also sail on Puget Sound . Your comments about missing a comfortable place to sit below are so true. Sleeping in the v-berth for a fellow my size is not great either. My current experiment is to lengthen the quarter berth. I have borrowed some of the storage space below the v-berth for that purpose. So far it looks promising. Lon Selkie M17 #279 ======================== -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Howard Audsley Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 2:58 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Fwd: research On the wet cockpit business, mine used to get wet before I started moving stuff forward to get the weight forward (sails better that way) and I can't remember the last time the cockpit was wet while underway. If I load her heavy to the stern, she will squat, but normally, no water. Having those old style drains are not the best. Would prefer drains above the waterline out the stern. Holes in the boat below the waterline and all that. I have the galley model and use the sink drain to wash up in (also a great place to store stuff like water bottles) and the platform for my one burner stove. I have the aluminum toe rails and use those. The only thing I miss is a place to comfortably sit below while waiting for the rain to stop or hiding out from the mosquito swarms at night. I've even tried a small lawn chair but no joy. At 6' and 195, most of the time I'm sitting hunched over or crawling around on my knees. I'd also beef up the stop on the CB if you go to using a heavy metal one again. Possibly allow for a group 27 battery box to get a little more life out of the battery. Mine will only hold a group 24. More electronics these days. LED lights might help that, but fewer cell phones, VHS radios, GPS, depth sounders, etc. isn't going to happen. Howard 1978 M17, #278 (built in 2/78) Audasea _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet!
If you search through the archives (seems like maybe the last of the MON), there is an article about someone who added a flap to the end of their v-berth to make it about 9" longer or so... Tod Mills M17 #408, 1987 galley model BuscaBrisas
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HOWARD,
I have the same galley model M17. I also sail on Puget Sound .
Your comments about missing a comfortable place to sit below are so true.
Sleeping in the v-berth for a fellow my size is not great either.
My current experiment is to lengthen the quarter berth. I have borrowed some of the storage space below the v-berth for that purpose. So far it looks promising.
Lon
Selkie M17 #279 ========================
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Howard Audsley Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 2:58 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Fwd: research
On the wet cockpit business, mine used to get wet before I started moving stuff forward to get the weight forward (sails better that way) and I can't remember the last time the cockpit was wet while underway. If I load her heavy to the stern, she will squat, but normally, no water. Having those old style drains are not the best. Would prefer drains above the waterline out the stern. Holes in the boat below the waterline and all that.
I have the galley model and use the sink drain to wash up in (also a great place to store stuff like water bottles) and the platform for my one burner stove. I have the aluminum toe rails and use those. The only thing I miss is a place to comfortably sit below while waiting for the rain to stop or hiding out from the mosquito swarms at night. I've even tried a small lawn chair but no joy. At 6' and 195, most of the time I'm sitting hunched over or crawling around on my knees.
I'd also beef up the stop on the CB if you go to using a heavy metal one again. Possibly allow for a group 27 battery box to get a little more life out of the battery. Mine will only hold a group 24. More electronics these days. LED lights might help that, but fewer cell phones, VHS radios, GPS, depth sounders, etc. isn't going to happen.
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I am also a large person and have not found a comfortable place to sleep or for more than one person to sit below on my galley model M17. I feel that setting up a boat under 20 feet for more than two people to sleep in the cabin is just not practical. A good boom tent would allow two more to sleep in the cockpit for overnight "camping" but that is all. Some months ago, duckworks magazine had an article about a new M17 which was built with an arch suporting the mast step instead of a compression post and no interior joinerwork. The new owner's son installed an interior with no V berth and two longer quarter berths aft of the arch. Forward of the arch, there were storage/galley cabinets on either side and a cabinet with hinged lid for the head forward and a chain locker in the very bow. The setup was for his parents to have comfortable sea berths and sitting room below for overnight offshore passages. I printed off the article and am seriously considering converting "Griselda", my M17, to that configuration. I have not been able to access the archives for duckworth magazine to get another copy but I suspect Chuck Leinweber of Duckworks could help if you want a copy. If not, perhaps Bob Eeg at Montgomery has some information. Another (larger) example of that interior configuration is the 23 foot Rob Roy canoe yawl which, is one of the few boats I might consider giving up my M17 for. Whitebeard M17 #14, Griselda
From: htmills@zoominternet.net To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 08:20:47 -0400 Subject: Re: M_Boats: Fwd: research
If you search through the archives (seems like maybe the last of the MON), there is an article about someone who added a flap to the end of their v-berth to make it about 9" longer or so...
Tod Mills M17 #408, 1987 galley model BuscaBrisas
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats- bounces+htmills=zoominternet.net@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats- bounces+htmills=zoominternet.net@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of zimco Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 5:01 AM To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' Subject: Re: M_Boats: Fwd: research
HOWARD,
I have the same galley model M17. I also sail on Puget Sound .
Your comments about missing a comfortable place to sit below are so true.
Sleeping in the v-berth for a fellow my size is not great either.
My current experiment is to lengthen the quarter berth. I have borrowed some of the storage space below the v-berth for that purpose. So far it looks promising.
Lon
Selkie M17 #279 ========================
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Howard Audsley Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 2:58 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Fwd: research
On the wet cockpit business, mine used to get wet before I started moving stuff forward to get the weight forward (sails better that way) and I can't remember the last time the cockpit was wet while underway. If I load her heavy to the stern, she will squat, but normally, no water. Having those old style drains are not the best. Would prefer drains above the waterline out the stern. Holes in the boat below the waterline and all that.
I have the galley model and use the sink drain to wash up in (also a great place to store stuff like water bottles) and the platform for my one burner stove. I have the aluminum toe rails and use those. The only thing I miss is a place to comfortably sit below while waiting for the rain to stop or hiding out from the mosquito swarms at night. I've even tried a small lawn chair but no joy. At 6' and 195, most of the time I'm sitting hunched over or crawling around on my knees.
I'd also beef up the stop on the CB if you go to using a heavy metal one again. Possibly allow for a group 27 battery box to get a little more life out of the battery. Mine will only hold a group 24. More electronics these days. LED lights might help that, but fewer cell phones, VHS radios, GPS, depth sounders, etc. isn't going to happen.
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Hi Ron I actually built that custom M_17 interior. Duckwords did a good story on her. The owners son did the detailing; I have photos of her. A totally custom interior for two. Fair winds Bob (949) 489-8227
From: ronkeeler@hotmail.com To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:03:30 +0000 Subject: Re: M_Boats: Fwd: research
I am also a large person and have not found a comfortable place to sleep or for more than one person to sit below on my galley model M17. I feel that setting up a boat under 20 feet for more than two people to sleep in the cabin is just not practical. A good boom tent would allow two more to sleep in the cockpit for overnight "camping" but that is all.
Some months ago, duckworks magazine had an article about a new M17 which was built with an arch suporting the mast step instead of a compression post and no interior joinerwork. The new owner's son installed an interior with no V berth and two longer quarter berths aft of the arch. Forward of the arch, there were storage/galley cabinets on either side and a cabinet with hinged lid for the head forward and a chain locker in the very bow. The setup was for his parents to have comfortable sea berths and sitting room below for overnight offshore passages.
I printed off the article and am seriously considering converting "Griselda", my M17, to that configuration. I have not been able to access the archives for duckworth magazine to get another copy but I suspect Chuck Leinweber of Duckworks could help if you want a copy. If not, perhaps Bob Eeg at Montgomery has some information. Another (larger) example of that interior configuration is the 23 foot Rob Roy canoe yawl which, is one of the few boats I might consider giving up my M17 for.
Whitebeard
M17 #14, Griselda
From: htmills@zoominternet.net To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 08:20:47 -0400 Subject: Re: M_Boats: Fwd: research
If you search through the archives (seems like maybe the last of the MON), there is an article about someone who added a flap to the end of their v-berth to make it about 9" longer or so...
Tod Mills M17 #408, 1987 galley model BuscaBrisas
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats- bounces+htmills=zoominternet.net@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats- bounces+htmills=zoominternet.net@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of zimco Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 5:01 AM To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' Subject: Re: M_Boats: Fwd: research
HOWARD,
I have the same galley model M17. I also sail on Puget Sound .
Your comments about missing a comfortable place to sit below are so true.
Sleeping in the v-berth for a fellow my size is not great either.
My current experiment is to lengthen the quarter berth. I have borrowed some of the storage space below the v-berth for that purpose. So far it looks promising.
Lon
Selkie M17 #279 ========================
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Howard Audsley Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 2:58 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Fwd: research
On the wet cockpit business, mine used to get wet before I started moving stuff forward to get the weight forward (sails better that way) and I can't remember the last time the cockpit was wet while underway. If I load her heavy to the stern, she will squat, but normally, no water. Having those old style drains are not the best. Would prefer drains above the waterline out the stern. Holes in the boat below the waterline and all that.
I have the galley model and use the sink drain to wash up in (also a great place to store stuff like water bottles) and the platform for my one burner stove. I have the aluminum toe rails and use those. The only thing I miss is a place to comfortably sit below while waiting for the rain to stop or hiding out from the mosquito swarms at night. I've even tried a small lawn chair but no joy. At 6' and 195, most of the time I'm sitting hunched over or crawling around on my knees.
I'd also beef up the stop on the CB if you go to using a heavy metal one again. Possibly allow for a group 27 battery box to get a little more life out of the battery. Mine will only hold a group 24. More electronics these days. LED lights might help that, but fewer cell phones, VHS radios, GPS, depth sounders, etc. isn't going to happen.
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Bob, As I recall, that was a very cool set up. Can you post again on the Monty forum on TSBB? The Duckworks article is not on line in their archives. Thank you. Bill On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Bob From California <ocean37@hotmail.com>wrote:
Hi Ron
I actually built that custom M_17 interior. Duckwords did a good story on her. The owners son did the detailing; I have photos of her. A totally custom interior for two.
Fair winds
Bob
(949) 489-8227
From: ronkeeler@hotmail.com To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:03:30 +0000 Subject: Re: M_Boats: Fwd: research
I am also a large person and have not found a comfortable place to sleep or for more than one person to sit below on my galley model M17. I feel that setting up a boat under 20 feet for more than two people to sleep in the cabin is just not practical. A good boom tent would allow two more to sleep in the cockpit for overnight "camping" but that is all.
Some months ago, duckworks magazine had an article about a new M17 which was built with an arch suporting the mast step instead of a compression post and no interior joinerwork. The new owner's son installed an interior with no V berth and two longer quarter berths aft of the arch. Forward of the arch, there were storage/galley cabinets on either side and a cabinet with hinged lid for the head forward and a chain locker in the very bow. The setup was for his parents to have comfortable sea berths and sitting room below for overnight offshore passages.
I printed off the article and am seriously considering converting "Griselda", my M17, to that configuration. I have not been able to access the archives for duckworth magazine to get another copy but I suspect Chuck Leinweber of Duckworks could help if you want a copy. If not, perhaps Bob Eeg at Montgomery has some information. Another (larger) example of that interior configuration is the 23 foot Rob Roy canoe yawl which, is one of the few boats I might consider giving up my M17 for.
Whitebeard
M17 #14, Griselda
From: htmills@zoominternet.net To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 08:20:47 -0400 Subject: Re: M_Boats: Fwd: research
If you search through the archives (seems like maybe the last of the MON), there is an article about someone who added a flap to the end of their v-berth to make it about 9" longer or so...
Tod Mills M17 #408, 1987 galley model BuscaBrisas
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats- bounces+htmills=zoominternet.net@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats- bounces+htmills=zoominternet.net@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of zimco Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 5:01 AM To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' Subject: Re: M_Boats: Fwd: research
HOWARD,
I have the same galley model M17. I also sail on Puget Sound .
Your comments about missing a comfortable place to sit below are so true.
Sleeping in the v-berth for a fellow my size is not great either.
My current experiment is to lengthen the quarter berth. I have borrowed some of the storage space below the v-berth for that purpose. So far it looks promising.
Lon
Selkie M17 #279 ========================
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Howard Audsley Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 2:58 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Fwd: research
On the wet cockpit business, mine used to get wet before I started moving stuff forward to get the weight forward (sails better that way) and I can't remember the last time the cockpit was wet while underway. If I load her heavy to the stern, she will squat, but normally, no water. Having those old style drains are not the best. Would prefer drains above the waterline out the stern. Holes in the boat below the waterline and all that.
I have the galley model and use the sink drain to wash up in (also a great place to store stuff like water bottles) and the platform for my one burner stove. I have the aluminum toe rails and use those. The only thing I miss is a place to comfortably sit below while waiting for the rain to stop or hiding out from the mosquito swarms at night. I've even tried a small lawn chair but no joy. At 6' and 195, most of the time I'm sitting hunched over or crawling around on my knees.
I'd also beef up the stop on the CB if you go to using a heavy metal one again. Possibly allow for a group 27 battery box to get a little more life out of the battery. Mine will only hold a group 24. More electronics these days. LED lights might help that, but fewer cell phones, VHS radios, GPS, depth sounders, etc. isn't going to happen.
Howard 1978 M17, #278 (built in 2/78) Audasea
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Or post them on the manufacturers page on the MSOG site. :) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Bill Wickett <billwick@gmail.com> Date: Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 11:22 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Fwd: research To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Bob, As I recall, that was a very cool set up. Can you post again on the Monty forum on TSBB? The Duckworks article is not on line in their archives. Thank you. Bill On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Bob From California <ocean37@hotmail.com
wrote:
Hi Ron
I actually built that custom M_17 interior. Duckwords did a good story on her. The owners son did the detailing; I have photos of her. A totally custom interior for two.
Fair winds
Bob
(949) 489-8227
From: ronkeeler@hotmail.com To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:03:30 +0000 Subject: Re: M_Boats: Fwd: research
I am also a large person and have not found a comfortable place to sleep or for more than one person to sit below on my galley model M17. I feel that setting up a boat under 20 feet for more than two people to sleep in the cabin is just not practical. A good boom tent would allow two more to sleep in the cockpit for overnight "camping" but that is all.
Some months ago, duckworks magazine had an article about a new M17 which was built with an arch suporting the mast step instead of a compression post and no interior joinerwork. The new owner's son installed an interior with no V berth and two longer quarter berths aft of the arch. Forward of the arch, there were storage/galley cabinets on either side and a cabinet with hinged lid for the head forward and a chain locker in the very bow. The setup was for his parents to have comfortable sea berths and sitting room below for overnight offshore passages.
I printed off the article and am seriously considering converting "Griselda", my M17, to that configuration. I have not been able to access the archives for duckworth magazine to get another copy but I suspect Chuck Leinweber of Duckworks could help if you want a copy. If not, perhaps Bob Eeg at Montgomery has some information. Another (larger) example of that interior configuration is the 23 foot Rob Roy canoe yawl which, is one of the few boats I might consider giving up my M17 for.
Whitebeard
M17 #14, Griselda
From: htmills@zoominternet.net To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 08:20:47 -0400 Subject: Re: M_Boats: Fwd: research
If you search through the archives (seems like maybe the last of the MON), there is an article about someone who added a flap to the end of their v-berth to make it about 9" longer or so...
Tod Mills M17 #408, 1987 galley model BuscaBrisas
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats- bounces+htmills=zoominternet.net@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats- bounces+htmills=zoominternet.net@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of zimco Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 5:01 AM To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' Subject: Re: M_Boats: Fwd: research
HOWARD,
I have the same galley model M17. I also sail on Puget Sound .
Your comments about missing a comfortable place to sit below are so true.
Sleeping in the v-berth for a fellow my size is not great either.
My current experiment is to lengthen the quarter berth. I have borrowed some of the storage space below the v-berth for that purpose. So far it looks promising.
Lon
Selkie M17 #279 ========================
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Howard Audsley Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 2:58 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Fwd: research
On the wet cockpit business, mine used to get wet before I started moving stuff forward to get the weight forward (sails better that way) and I can't remember the last time the cockpit was wet while underway. If I load her heavy to the stern, she will squat, but normally, no water. Having those old style drains are not the best. Would prefer drains above the waterline out the stern. Holes in the boat below the waterline and all that.
I have the galley model and use the sink drain to wash up in (also a great place to store stuff like water bottles) and the platform for my one burner stove. I have the aluminum toe rails and use those. The only thing I miss is a place to comfortably sit below while waiting for the rain to stop or hiding out from the mosquito swarms at night. I've even tried a small lawn chair but no joy. At 6' and 195, most of the time I'm sitting hunched over or crawling around on my knees.
I'd also beef up the stop on the CB if you go to using a heavy metal one again. Possibly allow for a group 27 battery box to get a little more life out of the battery. Mine will only hold a group 24. More electronics these days. LED lights might help that, but fewer cell phones, VHS radios, GPS, depth sounders, etc. isn't going to happen.
Howard 1978 M17, #278 (built in 2/78) Audasea
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Bob, Thanks for the correction to my post; it has been a while since I read the article. I would be interested in any details of structural changes with that configuration to maintain hull integrity. Since my boat is one of the very early fin keel M17s with the "tab" for the forward end of the keel, under the V berth and using the bulkhead for lateral support, I would not be able to do things exactly the same. I do wonder if that configuration would sell as an option on new boats. Most of the M17 owners I know are older folks who would be more interested in comfort for two rather than extra berths. Besides, I once read that the pleasure from a boat is inversely proportional to the size of the boat and the number of people along. Whitebeard M17 #14, Grislda
From: ocean37@hotmail.com To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:14:37 +0000 Subject: Re: M_Boats: Fwd: research
Hi Ron
I actually built that custom M_17 interior. Duckwords did a good story on her. The owners son did the detailing; I have photos of her. A totally custom interior for two.
Fair winds
Bob
(949) 489-8227
From: ronkeeler@hotmail.com To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:03:30 +0000 Subject: Re: M_Boats: Fwd: research
I am also a large person and have not found a comfortable place to sleep or for more than one person to sit below on my galley model M17. I feel that setting up a boat under 20 feet for more than two people to sleep in the cabin is just not practical. A good boom tent would allow two more to sleep in the cockpit for overnight "camping" but that is all.
Some months ago, duckworks magazine had an article about a new M17 which was built with an arch suporting the mast step instead of a compression post and no interior joinerwork. The new owner's son installed an interior with no V berth and two longer quarter berths aft of the arch. Forward of the arch, there were storage/galley cabinets on either side and a cabinet with hinged lid for the head forward and a chain locker in the very bow. The setup was for his parents to have comfortable sea berths and sitting room below for overnight offshore passages.
I printed off the article and am seriously considering converting "Griselda", my M17, to that configuration. I have not been able to access the archives for duckworth magazine to get another copy but I suspect Chuck Leinweber of Duckworks could help if you want a copy. If not, perhaps Bob Eeg at Montgomery has some information. Another (larger) example of that interior configuration is the 23 foot Rob Roy canoe yawl which, is one of the few boats I might consider giving up my M17 for.
Whitebeard
M17 #14, Griselda
From: htmills@zoominternet.net To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 08:20:47 -0400 Subject: Re: M_Boats: Fwd: research
If you search through the archives (seems like maybe the last of the MON), there is an article about someone who added a flap to the end of their v-berth to make it about 9" longer or so...
Tod Mills M17 #408, 1987 galley model BuscaBrisas
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats- bounces+htmills=zoominternet.net@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats- bounces+htmills=zoominternet.net@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of zimco Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 5:01 AM To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' Subject: Re: M_Boats: Fwd: research
HOWARD,
I have the same galley model M17. I also sail on Puget Sound .
Your comments about missing a comfortable place to sit below are so true.
Sleeping in the v-berth for a fellow my size is not great either.
My current experiment is to lengthen the quarter berth. I have borrowed some of the storage space below the v-berth for that purpose. So far it looks promising.
Lon
Selkie M17 #279 ========================
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Howard Audsley Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 2:58 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Fwd: research
On the wet cockpit business, mine used to get wet before I started moving stuff forward to get the weight forward (sails better that way) and I can't remember the last time the cockpit was wet while underway. If I load her heavy to the stern, she will squat, but normally, no water. Having those old style drains are not the best. Would prefer drains above the waterline out the stern. Holes in the boat below the waterline and all that.
I have the galley model and use the sink drain to wash up in (also a great place to store stuff like water bottles) and the platform for my one burner stove. I have the aluminum toe rails and use those. The only thing I miss is a place to comfortably sit below while waiting for the rain to stop or hiding out from the mosquito swarms at night. I've even tried a small lawn chair but no joy. At 6' and 195, most of the time I'm sitting hunched over or crawling around on my knees.
I'd also beef up the stop on the CB if you go to using a heavy metal one again. Possibly allow for a group 27 battery box to get a little more life out of the battery. Mine will only hold a group 24. More electronics these days. LED lights might help that, but fewer cell phones, VHS radios, GPS, depth sounders, etc. isn't going to happen.
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Ron.... I sent you a link on the backside (a PDF file) of Photos of this modification. This list-server won't take these links or photos. (Windows 95 evolved, why not us..?) Most are using the Trailersailor Forum for photos, links and info here: http://bbs.trailersailor.com/forums/montgomery/index.cgi/read/802 http://bbs.trailersailor.com/forums/montgomery/index.cgi/read/798 http://bbs.trailersailor.com/forums/montgomery/index.cgi/read/746 http://bbs.trailersailor.com/forums/montgomery/index.cgi/read/740 http://bbs.trailersailor.com/forums/montgomery/index.cgi/read/697 http://bbs.trailersailor.com/forums/montgomery/index.cgi/read/700 http://bbs.trailersailor.com/forums/montgomery/index.cgi/read/662 http://bbs.trailersailor.com/forums/montgomery/index.cgi/read/634 http://bbs.trailersailor.com/forums/montgomery/index.cgi/read/867 Regards.. Bob Eeg (949) 489-8227
From: ronkeeler@hotmail.com To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:27:29 +0000 Subject: Re: M_Boats: Fwd: research
Bob,
Thanks for the correction to my post; it has been a while since I read the article. I would be interested in any details of structural changes with that configuration to maintain hull integrity. Since my boat is one of the very early fin keel M17s with the "tab" for the forward end of the keel, under the V berth and using the bulkhead for lateral support, I would not be able to do things exactly the same.
I do wonder if that configuration would sell as an option on new boats. Most of the M17 owners I know are older folks who would be more interested in comfort for two rather than extra berths. Besides, I once read that the pleasure from a boat is inversely proportional to the size of the boat and the number of people along.
Whitebeard
M17 #14, Grislda
From: ocean37@hotmail.com To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:14:37 +0000 Subject: Re: M_Boats: Fwd: research
Hi Ron
I actually built that custom M_17 interior. Duckwords did a good story on her. The owners son did the detailing; I have photos of her. A totally custom interior for two.
Fair winds
Bob
(949) 489-8227
From: ronkeeler@hotmail.com To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:03:30 +0000 Subject: Re: M_Boats: Fwd: research
I am also a large person and have not found a comfortable place to sleep or for more than one person to sit below on my galley model M17. I feel that setting up a boat under 20 feet for more than two people to sleep in the cabin is just not practical. A good boom tent would allow two more to sleep in the cockpit for overnight "camping" but that is all.
Some months ago, duckworks magazine had an article about a new M17 which was built with an arch suporting the mast step instead of a compression post and no interior joinerwork. The new owner's son installed an interior with no V berth and two longer quarter berths aft of the arch. Forward of the arch, there were storage/galley cabinets on either side and a cabinet with hinged lid for the head forward and a chain locker in the very bow. The setup was for his parents to have comfortable sea berths and sitting room below for overnight offshore passages.
I printed off the article and am seriously considering converting "Griselda", my M17, to that configuration. I have not been able to access the archives for duckworth magazine to get another copy but I suspect Chuck Leinweber of Duckworks could help if you want a copy. If not, perhaps Bob Eeg at Montgomery has some information. Another (larger) example of that interior configuration is the 23 foot Rob Roy canoe yawl which, is one of the few boats I might consider giving up my M17 for.
Whitebeard
M17 #14, Griselda
From: htmills@zoominternet.net To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 08:20:47 -0400 Subject: Re: M_Boats: Fwd: research
If you search through the archives (seems like maybe the last of the MON), there is an article about someone who added a flap to the end of their v-berth to make it about 9" longer or so...
Tod Mills M17 #408, 1987 galley model BuscaBrisas
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HOWARD,
I have the same galley model M17. I also sail on Puget Sound .
Your comments about missing a comfortable place to sit below are so true.
Sleeping in the v-berth for a fellow my size is not great either.
My current experiment is to lengthen the quarter berth. I have borrowed some of the storage space below the v-berth for that purpose. So far it looks promising.
Lon
Selkie M17 #279 ========================
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Howard Audsley Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 2:58 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Fwd: research
On the wet cockpit business, mine used to get wet before I started moving stuff forward to get the weight forward (sails better that way) and I can't remember the last time the cockpit was wet while underway. If I load her heavy to the stern, she will squat, but normally, no water. Having those old style drains are not the best. Would prefer drains above the waterline out the stern. Holes in the boat below the waterline and all that.
I have the galley model and use the sink drain to wash up in (also a great place to store stuff like water bottles) and the platform for my one burner stove. I have the aluminum toe rails and use those. The only thing I miss is a place to comfortably sit below while waiting for the rain to stop or hiding out from the mosquito swarms at night. I've even tried a small lawn chair but no joy. At 6' and 195, most of the time I'm sitting hunched over or crawling around on my knees.
I'd also beef up the stop on the CB if you go to using a heavy metal one again. Possibly allow for a group 27 battery box to get a little more life out of the battery. Mine will only hold a group 24. More electronics these days. LED lights might help that, but fewer cell phones, VHS radios, GPS, depth sounders, etc. isn't going to happen.
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Here's the link to the custom M17 interior. It's really cool. http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/09/projects/monty/index.htm Joe Seafrog ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob From California" <ocean37@hotmail.com> To: "Monty Listserver" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 11:14 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Fwd: research
Hi Ron
I actually built that custom M_17 interior. Duckwords did a good story on her. The owners son did the detailing; I have photos of her. A totally custom interior for two.
Fair winds
Bob
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From: ronkeeler@hotmail.com To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:03:30 +0000 Subject: Re: M_Boats: Fwd: research
I am also a large person and have not found a comfortable place to sleep or for more than one person to sit below on my galley model M17. I feel that setting up a boat under 20 feet for more than two people to sleep in the cabin is just not practical. A good boom tent would allow two more to sleep in the cockpit for overnight "camping" but that is all.
Some months ago, duckworks magazine had an article about a new M17 which was built with an arch suporting the mast step instead of a compression post and no interior joinerwork. The new owner's son installed an interior with no V berth and two longer quarter berths aft of the arch. Forward of the arch, there were storage/galley cabinets on either side and a cabinet with hinged lid for the head forward and a chain locker in the very bow. The setup was for his parents to have comfortable sea berths and sitting room below for overnight offshore passages.
I printed off the article and am seriously considering converting "Griselda", my M17, to that configuration. I have not been able to access the archives for duckworth magazine to get another copy but I suspect Chuck Leinweber of Duckworks could help if you want a copy. If not, perhaps Bob Eeg at Montgomery has some information. Another (larger) example of that interior configuration is the 23 foot Rob Roy canoe yawl which, is one of the few boats I might consider giving up my M17 for.
Whitebeard
M17 #14, Griselda
From: htmills@zoominternet.net To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 08:20:47 -0400 Subject: Re: M_Boats: Fwd: research
If you search through the archives (seems like maybe the last of the MON), there is an article about someone who added a flap to the end of their v-berth to make it about 9" longer or so...
Tod Mills M17 #408, 1987 galley model BuscaBrisas
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HOWARD,
I have the same galley model M17. I also sail on Puget Sound .
Your comments about missing a comfortable place to sit below are so true.
Sleeping in the v-berth for a fellow my size is not great either.
My current experiment is to lengthen the quarter berth. I have borrowed some of the storage space below the v-berth for that purpose. So far it looks promising.
Lon
Selkie M17 #279 ========================
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Howard Audsley Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 2:58 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Fwd: research
On the wet cockpit business, mine used to get wet before I started moving stuff forward to get the weight forward (sails better that way) and I can't remember the last time the cockpit was wet while underway. If I load her heavy to the stern, she will squat, but normally, no water. Having those old style drains are not the best. Would prefer drains above the waterline out the stern. Holes in the boat below the waterline and all that.
I have the galley model and use the sink drain to wash up in (also a great place to store stuff like water bottles) and the platform for my one burner stove. I have the aluminum toe rails and use those. The only thing I miss is a place to comfortably sit below while waiting for the rain to stop or hiding out from the mosquito swarms at night. I've even tried a small lawn chair but no joy. At 6' and 195, most of the time I'm sitting hunched over or crawling around on my knees.
I'd also beef up the stop on the CB if you go to using a heavy metal one again. Possibly allow for a group 27 battery box to get a little more life out of the battery. Mine will only hold a group 24. More electronics these days. LED lights might help that, but fewer cell phones, VHS radios, GPS, depth sounders, etc. isn't going to happen.
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THE FELLOW WHO DID THE JOINERY WORK IN THE DUCKWORKS ARTICLE IS STACY SMITH. I DID CONTACT HIM WHEN THE ARTICLE FIRST CAME OUT. HE SENT ME A DIAGRAM OF THE LAYOUT FOR THE MODIFIED M17. IF ANYONE NEEDS IT , LET ME KNOW . IT IS A SHAME WE CAN NOT POST PHOTOS OR DIAGRAMS TO THIS GROUP. LON SELKIE M17 #279 ~~~~/)~~~~~ zimco -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Joe Murphy Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 10:11 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Fwd: research Here's the link to the custom M17 interior. It's really cool. http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/09/projects/monty/index.htm Joe Seafrog ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob From California" <ocean37@hotmail.com> To: "Monty Listserver" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 11:14 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Fwd: research
Hi Ron
I actually built that custom M_17 interior. Duckwords did a good story on her. The owners son did the detailing; I have photos of her. A totally custom interior for two.
Fair winds
Bob
(949) 489-8227
It looks like he did beautiful work; my only concern is that it doesn't look like the q'berths extend out into the cabin much more than previously (maybe 6" more at most?), in which case I don't know that there would be enough room for comfortable sleeping there yet. Seems like you would want no more than your knees tucked under the cockpit since there isn't much space, which would mean a bulkhead as shown couldn't be. Maybe instead of the bulkhead shown, there would be a small knee under the side-decks and a post at the inside edges of the q'berths. Lon, If you e-mail the layout to me, I can put it on the web for everyone to view.... Tod Mills M17 #408, 1987 galley model BuscaBrisas
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of lon zimmerman Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 8:06 PM To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' Subject: Re: M_Boats: Fwd: research
THE FELLOW WHO DID THE JOINERY WORK IN THE DUCKWORKS ARTICLE IS STACY SMITH.
I DID CONTACT HIM WHEN THE ARTICLE FIRST CAME OUT. HE SENT ME A DIAGRAM OF THE LAYOUT FOR THE MODIFIED M17.
IF ANYONE NEEDS IT , LET ME KNOW .
IT IS A SHAME WE CAN NOT POST PHOTOS OR DIAGRAMS TO THIS GROUP.
LON SELKIE M17 #279
~~~~/)~~~~~
zimco -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Joe Murphy Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 10:11 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Fwd: research
Here's the link to the custom M17 interior. It's really cool.
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/09/projects/monty/index.htm
Joe Seafrog
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Hi Ron
I actually built that custom M_17 interior. Duckwords did a good
story on
her. The owners son did the detailing; I have photos of her. A totally custom interior for two.
Fair winds
Bob
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Hello Lon: could you please also send me the layout I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks, Mike Hall ----- Original Message ----- From: <htmills@zoominternet.net> To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 5:16 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Fwd: research
It looks like he did beautiful work; my only concern is that it doesn't look like the q'berths extend out into the cabin much more than previously (maybe 6" more at most?), in which case I don't know that there would be enough room for comfortable sleeping there yet. Seems like you would want no more than your knees tucked under the cockpit since there isn't much space, which would mean a bulkhead as shown couldn't be.
Maybe instead of the bulkhead shown, there would be a small knee under the side-decks and a post at the inside edges of the q'berths.
Lon, If you e-mail the layout to me, I can put it on the web for everyone to view....
Tod Mills M17 #408, 1987 galley model BuscaBrisas
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of lon zimmerman Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 8:06 PM To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' Subject: Re: M_Boats: Fwd: research
THE FELLOW WHO DID THE JOINERY WORK IN THE DUCKWORKS ARTICLE IS STACY SMITH.
I DID CONTACT HIM WHEN THE ARTICLE FIRST CAME OUT. HE SENT ME A DIAGRAM OF THE LAYOUT FOR THE MODIFIED M17.
IF ANYONE NEEDS IT , LET ME KNOW .
IT IS A SHAME WE CAN NOT POST PHOTOS OR DIAGRAMS TO THIS GROUP.
LON SELKIE M17 #279
~~~~/)~~~~~
zimco -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Joe Murphy Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 10:11 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Fwd: research
Here's the link to the custom M17 interior. It's really cool.
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/09/projects/monty/index.htm
Joe Seafrog
----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob From California" <ocean37@hotmail.com> To: "Monty Listserver" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 11:14 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Fwd: research
Hi Ron
I actually built that custom M_17 interior. Duckwords did a good
story on
her. The owners son did the detailing; I have photos of her. A totally custom interior for two.
Fair winds
Bob
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